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 I think I sent a nice role, not too strong but should prove fun and useful for either alignment. | ||
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Also, gtrsrs got permabanned, and there is nothing I can do about it when he quotes the very thing that got him tempbanned and says "real" le sigh. | ||
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On May 31 2011 04:24 deconduo wrote: All roles are sent out. If you haven't gotten one, LET ME KNOW NOW! Also the BBCode was messed up in a few, don't worry about that. Day 1 Post in 1 hour 30min And I dont think Mr. M got a straight up traitor or VI, but maybe something with an alternate win condition? Otherwise it would kinda defeat the purpose to give someone a role like that and know exactly what they have. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:25 GMarshal wrote: Mataza has the ability to stick his foot in his mouth with ease, as he proved in SNMMIII, he also has a penchant for fake claiming roles, e.g. he considered claiming cop day 1 in SNMMIII, I'm just ignoring his statements about his role for now. Also lets try to avoid a claim this early in the game, yes? But what if gotham needs me!? | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:25 Kurumi wrote: Cmon,the Joker was never on the "bad guys side" he did what he pleased to. 3rd Party Role imo. You may be right robin, but to understand the Joker we must first understand his past deeds. We can make a educated guess from there exactly what his goal will be. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote: Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch. I have forseen this, so I have assigned boy wonder to deal with this problem. I will give him the cue so we can sort things out. Your identity is precious, and your most important tool. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Let's say, player A designed a role for player B. There's also player C. Player A is town, Player B is mafia. Mafia shoots Player A, Player B may now claim whatever he wants (Literally, in this set-up). Player A is town, Player B is town, Player C is mafia. Mafia shoots Player A, Player B can claim, but it is not verifiable. Also, WIFOM for being the first situation, as in, more confusion for town. Or is this wrong? Ah this does look like the work of the wiggler for sure... I'll have katiwoman analyze this piece immediately. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now that I see some horrible jokes being played I feel I should step up with something useful. Rather than go on and on about who picked who lists or the like can help why dont we do this, drop them. Instead we move onto something useful. As the day progresses we determine who are people we deem high priority red targets. They get protection from whoever got a protection role. We set up a list on who we think may or may not be red and have our investigative roles check them. This forces discussion on topics that are very very hard to hide your alignment in. Mafia and town alike have to voice in and information is given. The Zodiac list is tried and true. Are we picking people based on past history or are we going to base it on the current game? IIRC, this inevitably leads us to making "townie-lists". After PYPI, I don't really feel like thats a great idea. But for the sake of discussion I'm all for it, since I think you are focusing more on what people are saying rather then the lists themselves. I'll nominate you and myself. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:58 Varpulis wrote: LAL is in effect. If lie, we kill you. Period. I think LAL is bad and you should feel bad, especially with no scope on the variables present in the game. I think it's better to say don't lie without an evident purpose that benefits town. | ||
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On May 31 2011 06:03 Varpulis wrote: BloodyC0bbler's plan is good for the first day, but we shouldn't play this game based off of who's on the "town list" and who's not. Protect the valuable, active players day 1, investigate the dudes with ulterior motives. I'd like to keep the kills to a minimum for the first few days. Save your bullets, guys. I'm not loving your posting so far bro. General sweeping obvious statements. I think you'll be joining my scum list very soon, and in case I need to remind you in (order for me to beef up this post with content-less blabber) I play this game based off my scum list | ||
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On May 31 2011 06:24 deskscaress wrote: first of all i want to say that the dog-isms are cracking me up ITT if that's a legit role with a post-restriction, that's absolutely brilliant and is gonna make this game a blast cheers to that second, i know i'm about 5 pages late on this but holy shit this thread is moving fast. i wanted to chime in that i'm also against a LAL policy. there are tons of cases where lying can help the town. especially in a game where no one knows any of the roles except for the one they created, you have NO IDEA if someone else could be lying to set up a master plan to help the town win or something. of course this works both ways and i'm sure i'm preaching to the choir here because you're mostly experienced players. what i'm saying is that we should focus more on scumhunting than policy lynches also forgive me for being naive, but someone mentioned using night-powers to off liars instead of lynches. isn't that a poor choice? i'm assuming there are at least a couple interceptor-type roles. in the last game that i played, i was a vigilante and i was terrified to shoot anyone who i had drawn suspicion to during the day because i always thought the interceptor would kill me if i tried. i always tried to get my FoS's lynched during the day, even with a fool active. lastly, without wanting to give anything away, i feel like redFF, in that i don't think my role is going to play a huge role in the game. so i hope i can contribute via scumhunting and quality posts instead As I said before, I think the chances of a village idiot/fool or traitor being present are slim. I wouldn't take that into consideration, otherwise I look forward to playing with you And I'm still trying to grasp at what is possible in this game, so I wouldn't worry over direct counters like that. No roles are going to be heavily specific when regarding other roles, since as both players and role creators, we all made them for the recipient's benefit. They will have straight forward mechanics with perhaps a twist or two to make it fun for the person IMO.So I think we should hold off on figuring out what we can do with other people roles, and focus on what you can do individually, and what we do normally. I think the zodiac list should be prioritized, but I can't say I'm not intrigued by amber. WHATS THAT LASSIE? JOHNNY FELL DOWN A WELL? | ||
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On May 31 2011 06:48 Eternalmisfit wrote: I am assuming that the zodiac list is something akin to this idea (since I can't find anything else that is close to the zodiac list). Zodiac list A confirmation on this would be good so that I can think about who all should be include in it or not. That's it exactly. Ace made a list of all the strong presences in the town, and it put a lot of pressure on these few. Since they were all town, the pressure lead them to keep posting like townies and win versus a weak mafia team. I barely remember that game. So, the list will be strong presences in the thread, along with vets who we can't afford to keep quiet. Since everyone has a role, I don't think there is much of an excuse to keeping quiet as town. If you think you have a weaker role or are a veteran role of sorts, then you need to try to get yourself on the list, because that usually means you are being an obstacle for scum to deal with, and a backbone for the town. I don't think I'd put amber on the list, because that handicap draws enough attention, and we can't exactly ask him to explain things without taking up 10 pages... | ||
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On May 31 2011 06:59 chaos13 wrote: To be honest, I think Amber is lying about his post restriction. Anyone who makes a role that prevents a player from discussing and analyzing in a game based on discussion and analysis is an idiot, unless he has some sort of incredibly superpowered night ability. I can see that, and the creator can't call bullshit until day 2. But I don't really think there is that much of purpose to amber doing this as scum. Perhaps instead of a restriction, it's more of an "option". If amber does that the whole day, he gets to protect someone. Then maybe later on in the game amber can opt to not do it, and give thoughts, or perhaps activating some other ability. That's how I would make the role. You'd have to be cruel to make amber post like that the entire game... And we have a lynch to get to. I think varpulis is probably scum, but I think we should keep accusations tight, and not just fling FoS around. Plus I dont really use the finger, I prefer the noose of condemnation. NoC @ varpulis for contentless posting. This is particular which I took notice of. On May 31 2011 06:03 Varpulis wrote: BloodyC0bbler's plan is good for the first day, but we shouldn't play this game based off of who's on the "town list" and who's not. Protect the valuable, active players day 1, investigate the dudes with ulterior motives. I'd like to keep the kills to a minimum for the first few days. Save your bullets, guys. Serious inflation right there. If anyone knows varpulis well, please tell me if he usually has a higher quality of posting. And most notably BC does not ring any scum bells, but he is a master of deceit! I shall call him BC because his name already sounds like a DC villain. | ||
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On May 31 2011 07:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Actually, reading through what Ace said, he actually said the list should be avoided by DTs. The entire point of it, is that it creates pressure on the people on the list to act pro-town, and also, as people on the list die, the pressure is increased, letting glaring scum slips show. But he said that in a framer set-up. I think a framer/GF role would be rare in this set-up since you give the role before you know alignment. But there could be role disguising roles. Generally it's better to rolecheck quieter players as a rule of thumb, since you can't analyze them as hard beyond calling them lurkers. And as a matter of course, vets become objects of scrutiny. | ||
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On May 31 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote: I'm always a bit lost day 1, bum. About the Zodiac lists: At this point they just seem to be lists of strong vets, and I don't know you guys well enough to make an informed list. BC has looked pro-town, as have you. Not really sure who else. Sandroba, maybe. he's proven to be a good player, and his posts have been mostly good, barring the claiming plan. I'd like to know why specifically kita is voting for me. Is it because of my bad posting? I'll try to work on that. Specifically, I'm going to be quiet, because I'm not really sure what to do. what does NoC stand for? You're getting accused of fluffy posting. Defend your ideas mostly or accept your fate! I'm not saying you are making bad posts, I'm seeing them as intentionally inflated to make it look like your saying something. Kita didn't explain his vote which he should. If someone votes for you without putting reasons, ignore them. | ||
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On May 31 2011 08:29 tnkted wrote: This varp wagon is a bad lynch. Look, he came up with a plan... it might be a stupid plan but thats seriously more effort than anyone else has put forward. Deflecting without giving an alternative. Check! | ||
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On May 31 2011 09:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD. Ok, we have one retarded roleclaim already. We have two people with posting restrictions, we have lists lists and yet more lists and we have the beggining of a bandwagon. This town needs some help. For the roleclaim: I'm inclined to beleive his claim is true, Amber can confirm it for us if he truly uses it. However just because we know his role doesn't mean he's clear. It would have been way better to not claim and just come out after the night phase just so you know red. Posting restrictions: Amber's is actually pretty detrimental to the town. We've already had enough pages talking about it and I don't think we need anymore. If red's role truly does work then Amber will be able to talk then but until that point I think we should stop worry about Amber. We know what yes and no mean so we can ask him questions and we know when he's not happy with someone. As far as I'm concerned that's enough for now. Now onto Palmar. I'd highly suggest people stop fist pounding him. The fact that he's got people to do it already is really bad imo, come on town, where is your suspiciousness. Palmar apparently has to post bro with every post which isn't a problem but we don't know the affect of responding to a fist pound so until we know what it does I think we should stop responding. On lists: I have no idea what these lists are. If they're for dts that's just asking for a framer role. If they're for medics that's asking for the mafia to hit somewhere else. People did this in PYPI and guess what, mafia lynched a pretty obvious townie anyway. Speaking of lynches I'm a little concerned with the group of people who are voting Varpulis. I haven't played a game with him so if this is a meta vote I'd love an explanation. Otherwise I haven't seen him do anything overtly scummy. I'm personally going to wait a bit before placing a vote. I have some suspects but I'm going to see how they act a little longer + read the thread again before persuing them. Town really needs to calm down and stop spamming. For an example of good activity and fairly good posting look at the later half of PYPI. People should be active (obviously) and contribute (obviously) but this level of activity is actually detrimental to the town as good posts or scumtells can get lost in the general mayhem. Might as well merge the roleclaim and amber situation together. red already claimed and if amber has anything to offer red can tell us. Bam, dealt with. I haven't really noticed palmar's thing but that fistpound thing definitely reeks of his role. But I highly doubt its something scum beneficial, like a suicide bomber or something. Rather he gets to do something with the people he fistpounded with, or maybe he can check one. I've explained my reasons on varp, and I think palmar did a good job with a detailed analysis. I dont have anything else on anyone. I'll change it to someone scummier when that someone pops up. And yes less spam = good. Welcome to the zodiac list wooooooooooo.... I still highly doubt a framer role, unless people are saying they made them :/ | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:22 kitaman27 wrote: meh mostly a random vote to get things started. Spammy, apologetic, and posting fluff. He tells town we should be looking elsewhere, without providing suspicions of his own. On an unrelated note, town should keep in mind that mafia has additional information than they normally do in this set-up since they know their own roles and the roles they have created. That's actually decent point, and they know exactly who has what. Hmmm this game will probably require a massclaim at some point, just because of that. 33 people in this set-up is about 6-7 mafia? means they know over 1/3 of the roles. Perhaps there are less and more 3rd party roles, so it would even out the information. Though mafia should be a bit short-handed, because I was prone to make a more town-oriented role, rather then a mafia one, since you are more likely to be town. Alright so that should even out, and methinks there will be alot of KP stuff floating around. | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:36 Jackal58 wrote: It's not spam. I don't know you from Adam. Yet you want to dictate how I post. It's information for you to put to use. Many of those in here are aware of how I post. And now you are. That's so meta. Cue a tail wag from amber. And holy balls jackal you are in this game? I thought you quit TL mafia... I like desk though, we need another straight forward and direct person in these forums. WINK WINK. I'm taking my vote off varp, I'd rather keep him around. Don't see any need to pressure palmer, he's obviously showing initiative with his posting. tnkted is a much better candidate I do believe so yes quite. | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:43 chaos13 wrote: tnkted, what reason do you have for your vote on Coagulation? Oh now your just pulling my leg, are you actually chaoser? Are people secretly smurfing or something? tnkted, one thing I've learned, people who call me town do not usually have a good track record of being town. | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:46 tnkted wrote: How about the fact that he isn't playing? *yawn* LOL you've been hanging out with ace too much. I demand a mason! | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:54 Jackal58 wrote: I got over myself Bum. When I left my dad was dying and I was in a perpetual bad mood. I missed you guys. I saw this game and had to give it a go. Had I known a lawyer was going to write my role I may have passed. I have no issue with desk either. I just want to make sure he/she doesn't start confusing my short posts for posts with a lack of substance. And while we're at it. Hey Barundar. It's summer league now. I bowl on Wednesdays. So Bum what do you think about chaos13 and his desire to send Amber to the pound? Ah hope everything goes well for you in life, glad to have you back. Edgar Allen Poe wrote your role too? Glad to hear I'm not alone. Amber has some use. Obviously the creator gave some good half to that role, since amber is going to be stuck like that the whole game. He's going to lure a shot once we figure out what it is, but like the smart people have been saying, just leave it alone. I would need to read back to where chaos13 stated his move, because I don't really remember reading it. Seems more like a fleeting suggestion looking at it now. He obviously isn't considering amber's benefits. Harmless Oversight probably. | ||
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On May 31 2011 15:50 DropBear wrote: KITAMAN27 He has been stomping on anyone who tries to get discussion going, starting with BC. What is the point of this exactly? You never brought this up again. This is just spreading doubt for the sake of it. Why? Posting lists gives a discussion point. It is much much more valuable than talking about Amber's caninity. Don't you want information to be out there? It's got everyone talking about alignments instead of roles. Do you have a problem with BC or something? The list is a starting point before scumhunting. It's much better than your starting point of a random vote. So... you're voting without a reason. And no shit Mafia has extra information. Thank you Captain Obvious. Kita has done nothing to help town. He is actively avoiding discussion and is jumping on someone who was active at the start of the game. He is Mafia and should be lynched. I don't really find much wrong with kita's play so far, he just has to go into more detail about his reasons. BC posted a list, and if you want to add someone to it or take someone off, make one post explaining why. Everyone doesn't need a list, I would stand by that. Those were the very reasons I voted varpulis, I see nothing wrong with that day 1. He may be trying to direct the discussion elsewhere, which is beneficial for him if he's mafia, but it isn't anti-town. He's town, and I don't like how quickly his wagon seems to be building. | ||
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On May 31 2011 21:21 Mataza wrote: Dude, you are behaving a lot like last game. First of all, there is not much of kitatrain right now. Secondly, the "I won´t change unless you bring a solid defense" is what you did as mafia, too. Problem is, you CANNOT have a solid defense in a mafia game. Doubt is the normal state towards everyone. You might as well ask for the holy grail before the crusade even begun. And I don´t exactly buy that more fistpounds are beneficial without any strict numbers behind it. Carrying over to the next day I could understand. Increments tied to certain numbers I could understand. But every single fistpound being beneficial is just weird. It has to be either percentual increments or full numbers of people then. And full numbers of people is what I greatly fear. Last game, you broke this bros heart. This time it ain´t gonna be fixed with a fistpound and smile. Imma never trust you again. Also I want to note, just because someone doesn't have a lot of votes on them at the time, doesn't mean it isn't a wagon. It's a kinda noobie mafia play to agree with how someone is acting scummy, and not make any move in the voting thread. Most notably: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 12:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I come back from work to see a derailed thread talking about pretty well nothing. I am so glad to see town is so easily led astray by nonsense. To much time has been taken up by this nonsense about ambers role. If he is a dt style dog, he will merely sniff and growl at someone tomorrow if they are red, or sniff and wiggle his tail if they are town. If he is a med dog he can hop around them and bark if he made a save and hop around and whimper if he didnt. If he is a vig style dog, he bites the dead body in thread and barks. If he is another role he can figure out an appropriate action to do but there, ambers role dealt with. He can easily communicate agreement or discontent or the like easily enough in thread. As for people posting base lists without any reasoning to them, Hi for fake activity. Anyone on the zodiac list should be there for a reason. Also no one is also mentioning a medic list with reasons behind it. huge FoS on that. FoS on kita for FoSing people and trying to shut down talking without contributing seriously then begins to derail thread talking about mason role (which we don't know if exists in a good/serious way as the claimed one atm seems to suck). He also begins discussing the information mafia has on roles. Seriously shitty behaviour. Once i am better caught up I shall post more comprehensive thoughts. On May 31 2011 17:21 Mataza wrote: I have been sleeping over this and it´s bugging me. So here´s the thing: There are things we are not expecting(yes obvious). We have 33 people and 33 roles. Yet Mafia have only 1 Kill per night. A reasonable amount of people for scumteam would be somewhere around 5-9. This is not slightly off balance, this is "WTF is this shit?". Looking at these numbers, I would refuse to play the mafia side, because of pointlessness. So my take is that there is a huge area we don´t know shit about. I could think of several options, but the point is, this is not helpful. I just mean to say we shouldn´t be surprised to either 1) see people killing without actually having a killing role. 2) see that mafia team has a strong density of killing roles. 3) find out that we have a rather high number of neutrals(like upwards of 4) Now this info alone is useless. However it would become more useful if we had an idea about the number of existing killing roles. Come the next day I would suggest claiming whether or not one assigned a misinformation or killing role. Because killing and misinformation are the antitown traits we should get a grip on them. In another instance, I reread kitaman27, chaos13, meapak, varpulis and cthsazsa. None of them scream red to me after rereading. Varpulis has been a bit erratic since before the game. cthsazsa has been extremely short in posting. Nothing much to work with, other than added unusefulness. chaos13 seems rather legit. Other than asking why Karshe paid attention to his list, talking about the only person on the list he knows, there has been nothing odd. Meapak was maybe a bad call by me to check in the first place. Without any meta knowledge I´d say he looks 100% ok. Then again, people often use past games to judge veterans and I didn´t. Kitaman27 on the other hand is experienced and looks quite erratic. Rather short and unhelpful, while also very quick to vote. Unless some vets tell me that is normal, this is going down as scummy in my book. His only longer post is about Mason roles in general. Everything else is short and choppy. Barring an extraordinary defense, Kitaman27 is guilty in my eyes. On May 31 2011 20:12 prplhz wrote: I'm gonna agree with the FoS on kitaman27. One of his first post is this: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 05:06 kitaman27 wrote: Agreed. I'm green with envy for your scum hunting skills. .. and I honestly do not know what to read into that. First time I read it I didn't even notice but I think it's a weird thing to say. The following posts are all without content, telling people to stop talking about dog+list. Then he just made his biggest contribution yet, in defense of himself. I consider this scummy. Gee, three people thinking someone is scum with no votes in the thread. I can't really say much about BC, he's just giving an FoS, and probably has other people in mind. Hard to say, but it's funny that after he says that, mataza and prplhz take advantage of that. And it doesn't matter what kita's alignment is when analyzing you, since you never put your vote on him! 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On May 31 2011 21:37 stefftastiq wrote: I want to ask the town about voting early - its more than 24 hours until the voting ends - and a fair amount of people have already voted - since I've only got experience from one game earlier but there a lot of the players voted early - and then proceeded by changing their votes two or three times before the voting ends - I see the point of putting pressure on players to be active and / or make them cry for help. But if the players voting early are all town - wouldnt the scum then see the voting patterns and could easely lynch the players they want AND even spread out their votes so they wont be too suspicious? I see how this post might not have anything to do with whos scum and whos not - but I really want to hear a few opinions about pros/cons about voting early - because I can see how it really can call upon bandwagons and then the first players who "started the bandwagon" easly could change their votes to do someone else - ye, paranoiatalk  A fair question. Pressuring day 1 is pretty important, it forces discussion, which is always good for town, never good for mafia. Now as you say that mafia look at voting patterns, that is true and they will abuse it by distributing votes, but as they recognize voting patterns, so can we. End day voting is a tricky business, and can really help in giving us something to work with. As a rule of thumb, it's generally frowned upon to switch your votes at the end of the day as town. It gives unnecessary suspicion, if that person did not have a really good reason for doing so. @kurumi whatever you say boy wonder, but kita isn't the scummiest person. That would be mr slink-away tnkted | ||
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On May 31 2011 22:40 GMarshal wrote: Hey, has anyone noticed that tnkted's vote on coag is actually counted in the vote thread? Does no one else find that strange? I told you there are smurfs afoot! I can smell them from a galaxy away | ||
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On May 31 2011 22:39 Rean wrote: Voting Torte de Lini aswell. He's yet to contribute despite being asked to several times, let's put some more pressure on him. *clicks all* ctrl+F Rean 11 found You people and your contributions. | ||
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And tnkted is too interesting to lynch now, Guess I'll have to scumhunt somemore. C'est la vie. | ||
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And Kurumi, you were the admiral akbar in PYPI, yes? Am I going to get blown up tomorrow? That would be useful information. I'll consider your list, but I've already stated my opinions on kita, and I've mostly just read red's claim, but I'll read into him some more if it will settle your stomach. | ||
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On June 01 2011 00:49 Kurumi wrote: I were Akbar in PYPI. Just because I was him there does not certainly mean I am there too,or does it... Yeah you are so pro-town! Medics protect him! (dont blow us up please :X) | ||
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On June 01 2011 00:56 Kurumi wrote: You all know that You can make everyone say You want them. ... If my memory serves me correctly, I played a standard-ish game with redFF in it. He was very forward and direct. He's doing that now, and his role is harmless unless he's trying to contact moles and such. I highly doubt that, that because why would he claim then? redFF, just like kitaman, is not giving me a vibe. And I already stated that tnkted has a peculiar role, but unlike redff, I see no apparent town benefit. I would still rather lynch tnkted rather then anyone on your list, but his role seems very... traceable. I think reasons to lynch him will make themselves apparent via his role if he is scum. For that reason, I'm going to put my vote on sandroba since amber is giving off town vibes like a radioactive scumhunting puppy. And he can't push sandroba himself so maybe I can assist. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote: Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch. On May 31 2011 05:45 sandroba wrote: That's simple to solve. Town should NOT fake role claim. Period. You either not claim or claim your role right. For how this plan helps town: After a couple kills/lynches we won't be able to keep track of who knows which players role. If we have a day1 list there's no room for people fake confirming / lying about someone else's role after some time has passed in the thread an no one claimed to know it. We can also take role claims that cannot be confirmed (perso is dead) with a grain of salt. On May 31 2011 05:54 sandroba wrote: Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier. Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons. What are you guys' opinions about this? On May 31 2011 05:59 sandroba wrote: EBWODP: That should have read we policy lynch ANYONE who claims without valuable information or lies about their role. On May 31 2011 06:35 sandroba wrote: Alright, as much as I am intrigued by Amber's dog role, that's not leading us nowhere near finding scum. Maybe the person who gave Amber this role will have some info for us down the line. I think we should focus on putting up BC's list and giving your opinion about policy lynches and LAL. Make your posts concise because this thread is quickly turning into a spam fest. Now bad ideas can be a common town trait, as no mafia intentionally lays out a bad idea to try to make town follow it. But they will try to give us something to make it seem like contributions. That's often why it's important to look into bad plans, like I did with varpulis. Only varp has been much more active and noticeably has been improving his post content. Sleeper Cell has revealed that sandroba can be the sly-est of the sly. The guy is not stupid, and I think amber pointed out posts that have thought process flaws. Aside from his plan which he ditched fairly quickly, he grasped onto the policy portition. Policy is for people who can't think and use common sense. Policy is a word for scum who want to add fluff to there posts. Policy policy policy policy. I am so town! Sandroba offends my eyes with his doggedness (woah!) of this policy, and plus it's LAL, which can go suck a lemon. Amber can I get permission to push this scum for you? | ||
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Day 1 lynch is turning out to be a crapshoot, and the good stuff doesn't come til after night anyway, so I'll just try to give the best and simplest solution. I'll make a list of the prominent candidates (people who have more then two people on them) so we can at least keep our first lynch in a non-spammy order. That's obviously the chief problem. Organization. We have none. Tackster (6) Sandroba (4) VisceraEyes (4) tnkted (4) These are obviously the main focuses for one reason or another. With the deadline soon, if one of these people are scum, it's simply a matter of switching a single vote to make an upset. That isn't cool. So I suggest everyone pick one of these, or if you are still convinced someone else is scum, Underline their name in top of your post, and then spoiler your analysis and reasons, and put them in a readable fashion. One good thing I'll say is because the votes are very tight, scum can't really predict the lynch target or save them without some last minute stuff. So I suggest you switch or explain now, so we can avoid townies doing some last minute junk. And don't defend someone you don't have a good assessment on. If they aren't at the top of the list, then they aren't going to be lynched, and you are clogging up the thread. I like how people are being very direct with their points and accusations, but the sheer number of them are making it very hard for anyone to notice what you say. When two people are discussing someone's lackluster posting over two other people commenting on another person's non-existent contributions, it fills up pages fast. Don't make me read whatever is in your head at the time. It's funny, people complaining about other people not talking right and then other people comment on those people and then we lose the All button. Also @kurumi and other people, try to format your posts better so people will want to read them. Use all those fancy indents and lists to make your posts more approachable. I remember I just had to stop talking with kurumi just because I could not gather where he was going with his ideas. PICK A PERSON OR MAKE A CASE OR SUCK MY COCK. | ||
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On June 02 2011 05:55 chaos13 wrote: What does that role even do? zombies in this forum tend to be able to kill someone who lynched them. I really hope this is a desperate scum move by visc to get votes off him, but I think he would have said that sooner as sucm... | ||
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Now what do I do with myself visc? THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT.. *grumble*ruining my fun *grumble* | ||
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On June 02 2011 06:17 redFF wrote: Is your role only Joker? I don't think people can collaborate on role picking. What is your original role? I figured it was divine intervention when I got the role. BC's role and my role were obviously predetermined. Which leaves two people who did not give powers. Take a guess at who those individuals are. | ||
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On June 02 2011 06:23 Varpulis wrote: I've got some thoughts about tonight.
I have no clue what medics should be doing, and giving direct instructions will be beneficial to scum, so I'll let those with protective roles make their own judgements. It's good that BC is willing to work with us. Because scum can't touch you, would you mind sharing the role/alignment in its entirety? From your posts I infer that you're a survivor (3rd party), but the joker doesn't walk around unarmed. If claiming is a bad idea for a reason I'm missing, ignore this request. Sure, all the complicated stuff was similar to BC's, I would know who he is, but couldnt reveal him or get modkilled. I would copy paste the PM, but that's against the rules. It makes sense along with BCs role. I can kill every night, so occasionally he might protect them or what not. I also "somehow manage to avoid getting killed". I'm assuming that's a vest of sorts. My alignment is Serial Killer. So I'll target whoever you guys want me to. Lynch me if I don't. I benefit if I hit scum now since you guys mislynched spectacularly, and offed essentially an OP medic role. | ||
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On June 02 2011 07:07 chaos13 wrote: Even if he is a DT-type role, I haven't fistpounded him. He has posted nothing to incriminate me so far. bumatlarge, do you have to kill someone every night? If so, I would suggest either Mataza or GMarshal, but I'll be re-reading a lot of posts during this night phase, and that may change yet. Im not a compulsive Vig, I can kill someone, I don't have to. Treat it like a double lynch, dont feel forced to shoot anyone. | ||
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And would you really think the joker would b a town aligned role? If I had thought town was that gullible, I would have tried to tell everyone that deconduo wasn't the real host. My role leads me to believe I don't have a standard vest, as it specifically states I miraculously survive hits. Fairly certain protection piercing kp or lynch will kil me. I think you should read more into it tackster then spreading false information. I'm not going to go against win condition which is to survive. Since that mostly involves not getting lynched, I don't really have a choice in not claiming. | ||
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My reads? I haven't really been paying much attention aside from making myself look town. I doubt I would be able to get a good scum read day 1. I'll kill sinani, sure. I mean bringing batman back is fine by me, but you should watch batman and the red hood before you do (awesome movie go watch it, extremely relevant to this game) | ||
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On June 02 2011 10:04 kitaman27 wrote: lol good one. You just finish saying your role is different than your sk alignment and now you think your role doesn't make you bulletproof. Are you sure you're not scum? Can you not read? Where do I say it doesn't make me bulletproof? I said things that go through bulletproof will probably kill me I.E. sucide bomber or roles specifically designed to go through them. | ||
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On June 02 2011 12:09 sinani206 wrote: The whole point of this game is to use or roles to town's advantage. I think that reviving BC is worth it. If you don't, you're probably scum. Well, if scum has responses to this, you are in a heep of do-do. They could shoot you the next night after lynching scum, and that would be an obnoxious flip of a really strong town power. | ||
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Shame I pushed varp and wiggles is scum. | ||
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And I'd be cool with day vig shooting me. Proving my 3rd party would be pretty decent for town. | ||
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On June 03 2011 06:55 bumatlarge wrote: Kurumi you could have gotten by without claiming SK, I'm NOT going to call you out on your roleclaim or anything. But hey another guy who will potentially get lynched before me is added to the roster! And I'd be cool with day vig shooting me. Proving my 3rd party would be pretty decent for town. | ||
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You are known as the clown prince of crime, the Harlequin of Hate, and the Ace of Knaves. You are a highly intelligent psychopath with a warped, sadistic sense of humour. Your only goal is to show the world the genius of your comedy. You do this by inspiring fear and chaos within the ranks of all who dwell there. You are not a standard run-of-the-mill Serial Killer. As the Joker, you can shoot every night to push your psychotic research. You also miraculously survive normal hits, leaving behind traces of your identity to the amateur killer. Lastly, your life would not be complete without your arch-nemesis Batman. At the end of Night 1 you will be informed who this is. You may not under any circumstances have this player killed. You may not reveal their role to anyone. You must converse, argue, and joke with them. Threatening them only when you must. If this player at any point in time dies at night you will know who did it. You must then push to have them lynched during the following day (but not disclosing how you know they killed your rival). If they survive the lynch, you must kill them the following night. No one is allowed to kill Batman but you. You must also survive until the end of the game to achieve victory. Your alignment is Serial Killer. | ||
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On June 03 2011 08:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote: As compared to an actual self-confirmed anti-town player who I'm 90% sure is mafia, right? ##Vote: Bumatlarge IM CALLING OMGUS VOTE! SEE THAT GUYS? FoS! V0TiNg WiGg1e5 | ||
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On June 03 2011 09:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Well, when you have the entire town voting for you based on a faulty check with no analysis to back it up, voting for anyone is going to be OMGUS. Scum. It was a joke bro, why so serious? | ||
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On June 03 2011 22:05 Kurumi wrote: I wanted to be town this game >:C I told GM I will help based on his alignment,but he lied and I won't switch sides now >:C My objective is to survive. Until I decide to give my own head a shot I am doing it :E Bum,will You be like "You played terrible,damn You" then yeah,I did. I don't felt good with SK from the very beginning because as for me - it is impossible not to get killed/lynched at some point of the game(see:erratic posting,chaos and spammy style) also thanks for the role,though You could keep that from Your mafia bros so I could use it at least once tt Yeah, but I hope you aren't getting this idea from me, its one thing to help town to stay alive, playing to your win condition as best you can, but its complete different animal when you claim just because you didnt get the alignment you want. SK is not unwinnable, although it is very hard obviously. You have to try. Just saying, this doesn't put you in a great light for future games when you act like this. Unless of course you are mafia, then this would be pretty neat I guess, but Im cant really see how this would benefit you... | ||
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On June 04 2011 11:44 sinani206 wrote: That's scary because worst-case scenario there are 12 townies and 13 non-townies remaning.  Be optimistic! | ||
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On June 05 2011 04:51 redFF wrote: So what do people think of Torte De Lini, I think the blatant contradiction where he says he thinks GM is town but blocks him is enough for me, but the rest of his nothing posts are just as bad. Wiggles, Torte, Mataza, Rean and maybe Bum seems like the scumteam right now. Why rean? Just curious. | ||
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Just helpful hint town, yes I'm an obvious lynch along with kurumi, but you really need to get your act in gear. Look at the dead people in this game, all vets of varying degrees, and your vigis suck cock. I'm going to focus on helping people that don't want to lynch me, like jackal and kenpachi, because I have no reason to screw town at this point. I will keep playing to my win condition, but it's pretty sad that I'm doing a better job at mine then you guys are at yours. Mafia will most likely be wagoning with you on me, which is smart. Start focusing your attention on the whole game rather then just trying to figure out my alignment when I already told you I'm not town. Boom, end of story. | ||
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On June 06 2011 09:10 Mig wrote: Red why do you think tdl is 100% scum. Meapak confirmed he can't pick who he visits at night. So how can you be so sure he is scum? Bum straight up lied to us either about his role or about being roleblocked n1 and he is confirmed not town. He is the most obvious lynch of all time. Are you really serious? I told you I my KP and bulletproofness come from my role, not my alignment. :/ I swear give me a few more townies with a brain and I can make this work for you guys. I'll just need one more night to even it out. | ||
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On June 06 2011 10:32 Jackal58 wrote: Sucks ass doesn't it. Oh and don't get me wrong Bum I do want to lynch you. Just not yet. Well maybe I do. Who did you shoot last night and why????? Oh ya it sucks ass. It does suck ass I shot kurumi, because I thought I could get rid of his negation, but apparently it went into his vest? I guess he only has one more hit to hit him then. If I remember how his role works.... | ||
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I guess it was a mistake to assume that my role being outed makes me certain anti-town. I thought it was fairly certain that it did, but everyone here is using me being an SK as an excuse to distract discussion. How you guys let half the discussion revolve around me is beyond me. And of course kurumi says I didn't hit him, the guy has a deathwish on me and actually believes my claim, or you know he could have shot me any of the nights? He didn't? ??? Gee why would he not shoot someone he is sure is scum and can kill? Because he knows I am what I say, and there isn't jack shit he can do about it. For all the scenarios that you guys fabricate of me being scum, (which is all very beautiful but let's face it the only reason you think I could be scum is I'm not afraid to fakeclaim) it is just as likely for kurumi to be scum. It's not hard to see, but I did shoot him, so it's likely he had an additional form of protection.I did not lose my power, if I did, I think deconduo would have removed me from the game, but we agreed that I could attempt to achieve my win condition as a factor in the game, even if I can't win. | ||
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Town should probably lynch either me or kurumi, but I'm going to stay on palmar if it has any chance of saving my life. | ||
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On June 07 2011 03:16 Kurumi wrote: Meh,we're going to have a Sleeper Cell mafia win "I couldn't believe bum was Mafia!" Yeah. You realize I claimed DT in sleeper cell, people didn't believe me, i got lynched and popped blue and my scum list was sound. If anything that analogy destroys your whole arguement. Why don't you go analyize a game where I did fakeclaim (PYP3) and see how these things really work. | ||
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Oh dear god please town do me a favor and lynch him and let me live one more night. I will do anything, I will analyze anyone you want completely. I've never went against town wishes this whole game and palmar has. No we are both confirmed anti-town, give me the chance please. | ||
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There is absolutely no reason to be lynching me over palmar | ||
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Uh, carry on town, commence you ignoring everything I say. | ||
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That would be hilarious. Perhaps I could shoot sinani and find out? | ||
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 kinda sad that mafia might actually lose to this town :/ | ||
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I wasn't really happy about that. At all. | ||
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