Look town kill bum asap if bum flips red instead of sk then look at all the people late switching to palmar. Jackal, GM, Amber, Cth, Rean, Hiro, Kurumi. If bum is red there is a guranteed large part of the mafia team in there. But the most important thing is for bum to die as soon as possible.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 07 2011 21:45 GMT

#2652

Actually those people should be heavily suspected regardless. It is more important for the mafia to kill a powerful townie role than a sk. So yea a large part of the mafia team will be in the list I just posted.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 07 2011 22:01 GMT

#2653

Also I forgot karsh.

I really don't understand why Kurumi voted palmar when you have been fighting with bum the entire game but hopefully he will die tonight because of GM. If he doesn't I would be very suspicious of both of them.

People need to be especially suspicious of jackal. He raged early game about killing useless townies then right before we kill palmar he quotes a post saying if palmar flips red it makes everything easier, great reasoning....... Kita called jackal scum before he died and jackal is a strong player. I would expect him to be playing more aggressively, making better decisions and actually help the town. He hasn't done any of those things.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 07 2011 22:34 GMT

#2657

GM who do you think is scum. And are we totally sure tdl is red? He has an anti town power but look when the vote was close he invited palmar and voted bum. If bum flips red that is a ton of town cred.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 07 2011 22:43 GMT

#2659

Also GM nice town play. We need to establish town leadership so either dt check me or vig me I don't care. Wtf? How about you just play pro town and make good cases for scum instead of saying you don't care if you are vigd. What good town player ever offers to be vigd.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 07 2011 22:59 GMT

#2662

Yes you are rightfully under suspicion because you are an excellent town player yet like jackal you have contributed almost nothing and led the town in the wrong direction. So if you are actually town then put some effort in and prove you are of some use to the town. Asking for a vig to kill you if you are town only hurts us.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 08 2011 01:33 GMT

#2671

That is bullshit jackal. You are an good vet did you really think mafia would kill their mole on night one? And you were around when I made the argument about mafia not even knowing his role when they killed him. Any experienced player should know how unlikely it was for mafia to kill their mole just to buy fucking palmar town cred. I mean if they really wanted town cred they would have used wiggles since he is 50x the player. This is shit the veterans would have picked up on if you were actually town.

Something else everyone needs to consider, hosts balance the teams in terms of skill so one side doesnt get crushed. Now look at the town deaths on our side. Kitaman, Meapak, BC, Node all good veteran players. Do you think decu balanced this game with just 1 good vet (wiggles) on the mafia side? Of course not. Between bum, jackal, GM, barundar at least one must be mafia and it is a lot more likely to be 2-3 of them.

Kill bum first then Jackal or GM should be killed after. I would prefer jackal and I will write up a full case for it if I get home early enough.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 08 2011 04:47 GMT

#2677

I am playing at the wsop pretty much 12+ hours a day everyday this month. I can only check this thread on my phone and I was still able to see obvious logical reasons palmar wasn't mafia that you guys seem to have been oblivious to. Wtf do you mean wiggles didn't have kp? He had 2kp he even killed desk!

And no it's not wifom GM. Go back and look through previous games and tell me I am not correct on how hosts balance most games. You and jackal have both played a lot of games how many full games have you seen with 1 vet and all noobs on the mafia team? I would guess never. As a vet and host you should know this.

I know this is anecdotal but you guys are using the exact same arguments Kita used when I pegged him as GF last game. Who ever said I was good? You are just picking on a easy target. All your arguments are wifom blah blah blah. Hopefully db will come in here and back me up here since he played with me last game.

The fact is you are both veteran players with strong reputations. GM you are known as possibly the most pro town player on TL. Yet you have contributed nothing to a pro town environment, instead you have several times promised strong analysis without actually providing any. You both are outspoken and have strong opinions when you think someone is scum and I have seen very little of that this game. And frankly you guys should be better than last minute switching away from a confirmed non town to a guy with obvious logical problems with him being mafia.

Everything points to you guys being mafia.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 08 2011 04:50 GMT

#2678

So show me where you guys made pro town arguments and plays and show me who is scummier than you instead of just off handedly dismissing my arguments.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 08 2011 21:01 GMT

#2704

wtf sinani are you serious

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 08 2011 21:11 GMT

#2732

If Em did protect Rean then Rean should know it also right? If so we should have a very small amount if non confirmed people left. Rean if you are a dt should just claim and give us all the info because if you were targeted last night mafia already suspects what you are.

I am fine with tdl lynch especially if there is a dt to back it.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 08 2011 21:14 GMT

#2736

Yea Steff did Steff what did you see? hopefully Steff saw who tried to shoot Rean.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 08 2011 21:15 GMT

#2737

Kurumi how did you shoot sinani? I thought you claimed 2 kills already.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 08 2011 21:39 GMT

#2761

Assuming Em and Rean are both town then either hiro or barundar must be mafia just based on the visc vote list right? So have palmar shoot hiro since he was on both lists. Seems easy enough, unless there is a good reason to shoot barundar.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 08 2011 21:44 GMT

#2766

We are assuming EM saved Rean last night. Unless someone else will claim he protected him.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 08 2011 21:47 GMT

#2767

Also Kurumi how did you kill sinani I thought you only had 2kp?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 08 2011 22:08 GMT

#2780

Stef is that serious?

And yea if Cth made desks role he is pretty much confirmed town in my eyes.

Rean for your power can you check any list? If so you could check bums list for the last lynch and we will know exact mafia numbers.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 08 2011 22:14 GMT

#2784

If Stef is serious then I am confirmed town if bum flips red right? But I don't understand really I never had anything happen to me with the gas.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

June 08 2011 22:19 GMT

#2791

What don't inspect hiro just have palmar kill him. It is a 50/50 shot of hitting scum and even if he is town it confirms barundar that is great odds for us.