EPTBarundar, redFF and Cthsazsa are the remaining Mafia.
Everyone else is town.
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Barundar, redFF and Cthsazsa are the remaining Mafia. Everyone else is town. | ||
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On June 12 2011 17:49 Cthsazsa wrote: Wait so now I'm suddenly mafia? Explain plz DropBear your play this game has been very poor overall. On June 11 2011 15:49 Cthsazsa wrote: EBWOP: Updated Palmar's lynch, Palmar lynch bumatlarge Eternalmisfit Kurumi Jackal58 Karshe GMarshal Amber[LighT] Cthsazsa Rean Karshe's flip will reveal some pretty good shit. Color his name red and that clears the Dog. It ain't Karshe. It ain't GMarshal. It ain't Jackal. It ain't Rean. I seriously doubt it's Amber. It has to be you. The only other possibility is Amber and I feel much worse about you than him. | ||
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On June 12 2011 17:53 GMarshal wrote: Before you call people bad, care to point out how many scum you've lynched? Oh, right you can't. Because every single scum that died except for scumatlarge was a dt led lynch. So stop putting on airs, and commit to an opinion. Who of the remaining players, not counting barundar is mafia? I'll give you a hint though, DropBear is mafia. Ok Marshal, this a bit random. Why are you suddenly gunning for me? | ||
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I will vote to lynch Cthsazsa tomorrow. Karshe is town. | ||
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On June 13 2011 06:17 GMarshal wrote: Who should we lynch tomorrow? (Hint: DropBear ) On June 13 2011 06:43 Palmar wrote: The biggest suspects for me at the moment are Karshe (why didn't you just bomb joker after n1, instead of killing mataza and then bombing him) and DropBear ..... Why are you two gunning for me all of a sudden? I can't exactly defend myself unless someone gives an actual reason than "I think he might be." I've seen no good arguments against Karshe either. | ||
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My role is the Paranoid Paratrooper. I can choose to spend one night in my plane, making me immune to all night actions. The first two nights that I am visited and am not in my plane, I involuntarily gun down anyone visiting me at night. I am town aligned. I've used the first one of my gunning nights, when Meapak visited me on night 2. There is one more night which I take down anyone who visits me, plus one night when I can activate night immunity that doesn't kill my vistitors. Pretty much the only way for me to die now is via lynch, unless Palmar sacrifices himself to take me down when I'm not in my plane. I haven't been doing fistpounding because I PM'd deconduo on the first day asking if I would kill him if I did and his reply was very vague and basically said you have to work that out. I've been backing Palmar since early in the game so I didn't want to risk killing him accidentally. I made Barundar's role. He never used the leprechaun vote as far as I can tell so I never called him out as being Mafia because of it. I figured it would be easy to attack him when he used it to get someone over the line but he never did. | ||
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REBUTTAL OF GMARSHAL Gmarshal's analysis of me. - First of all the lower activity point. Last game I did indeed post much more than this game. I was probably the most active person in the game. However, I successfully spearheaded a mislynch on AirbladeOrange, and was solely responsible for the clincher in elmizzt. I overdid it and I've tried to be more measured this game. Not only this, I had basically no internet access for about 5 real time days. I wasn't really able to post anything meaningful on days 3 and 4. On June 14 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote: Fine, I agree, let us for a moment disregard the fact that our good friend is posting *far* less than he did as a productive member of the town. And lets not even take into consideration the high probability that a Paranoid Gun Owner role would land in the hands of the mafia team, as that too is fruitless speculation. I really don't get this at all. If you are trying to imply that I am Mafia because of my role, that is poor reasoning. Role does not equal alignment. BC had a role where he could have medic protected Mafia. VisceraEyes' role didn't exactly do good things. kitaman27 had pretty much exactly the same role as Barundar. - The question at tnkted was not useless speculation, it was quite direct. - The list of fistpounds came before we knew what they did. Considering how many people were getting involved it was crucial to find out what they did. Someone, I can't remember who, suggested it be done and only I had the initiative to stand up and do it. - You say that I am avoiding being on the zodiac list. Read my quote again. On May 31 2011 15:23 DropBear wrote: I don't mind being on there but I'm confused as to why I am  I was unfamiliar with zodiac lists and trying to understand what I was doing on them. Noone gave me an explanation after several days so I dropped it. - How is presenting people who I think are scummy and then presenting arguments as to why scummy? You call my analysis of kita and tnkted crappy yet conveniently don't reference them at all or say why, they are just crappy. If you want to say that I diluted the lynch too much, look at XXXIX. My day 1 scum list had 7 people on it and there were only 6 Mafia lol. This is certainly an improvement. On June 14 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote: Let us look at another post that piqued my interest shall we? We can call this the "association" exhibit. What on earth do you mean a deeper justification of sandroba than is needed? He was about to get lynched! What would pro-town play be, just to lie back and let him die? How is trying to make my arguments convincing scummy? Isn't that what you are doing yourself with your analysis of me? Varpulis was in precisely the same boat. Sandroba made the original plan and got shat on. Varpulis tried to alter it and then HE got shat on. I wasn't trying to link them, they were already linked. On June 14 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote: DropBear then has a nice little spat with kita, all about how kita is lurking just like in XXXIX, but the entire argument is based on meta. Its still an attempt at pushing lurkers, but I have to wonder why db chose kita, when there were more evident targets. That by itself fails to convict DB, so I suppose that so far its a null tell. Your opening point in this flowery speech was that I am a lurker and tried to bring into account MY meta. I do it to kita and am scummy, yet you do it to me and are not? Double standards. Not only that, you finish off by saying it's a null tell. Why did you include this at all? It's just filling space. On June 14 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote: This ladies and gentlemen is what we call "I don't care who gets lynched" 1.) no mention of his number 1 suspect, kita or a justification of why he no longer cares for kita. 2.) its throws some suspicion on tnkted, drawing the town into yet another worthless discussion about odd votes. 3.) Brings up Tackster who wasn't under any real focus at the time, and diverts even more votes off the main lynch targets. Of course I cared who got lynched. I was defending sandroba like you wouldn't believe. If I didn't care who got lynched I would have let him die without defending him. Throws suspicion on tnkted? I'd already posted detailed analysis on why I thought he was scum. He was second on my 4-person list. He still hadn't explained the vote. I voted for him lol. If you want to claim that I'm being Mafia because I suspected tnkted then you should probably highlight the much much more important things I did to try and get him killed. Tackster was also already on my list of 4. Saying that he wasn't on the table is an out and out lie. He was very very much on the table. Meapak had been pushing him already. He came third in the final voting. As for "the main lynch targets" there were 14 people with votes on them. I dropped my vote on kita. If I hadn't that would have been 15. Claiming that I diluted the lynch is rubbish. Not only this, you voted for BC of all people. I was much better at narrowing down targets than you were. On June 14 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote: His following three posts are notable, I'll put all three of them in the same spoiler, for ease of reference + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2011 19:33 DropBear wrote: First of all man, sorry but I'm not going to return your offer. I am worried about what it would do. nothing really scummy about being suspicious I guess ^_^ Look at the rest of my post. It wasn't just Sandroba who was jumped on for offering a bad plan, Varpulis was as well. I'm liking the effort that you are putting in but I'm not convinced. Varpulis has been still very active and doing his best. He got timid briefly after being told he was playing poorly, so what? He's back to his normal self again now. Now theres no subtlety in this, he is brute force linking Sand and Varp, with the hope that sand will really get lynched and Varp will be cleared of all suspicion, for a while at least I would put a lot of money on both Sandroba and Varpulis being town. See, Varp, who isn't even being discussed is having credit bought for him by DB. Its a clever play, and one that will buy DB credit too when sand flips green. Very clever play, but a little too obvious. Wiggles, what? I have to say that I strongly disagree. You are worrying me, you just seem to be jumping on the bandwagon. Throwing light suspicion on a scumbuddy so they aren't tied together later, but understating it so that theres no chance of an actual case being assembled. When I was mafia I *loved* these weak FoS, as they made cred easy to gain, just light FoS and then talk about how right you were. Nice to know that somebody agrees. I still think kita is dodgy as hell, if one of these others comes up as a candidate I will gladly switch to them. Nice switch to Tackster then right back to kita as soon as someone agrees. Again "I don't care who dies as long as they aren't a team mate On June 01 2011 19:35 DropBear wrote: Also what's with me being on all these lists? I didn't realise I was so highly thought of. "I am a noob please, please don't pressure me! On June 01 2011 19:47 DropBear wrote: Fistpound List Returned offer by Palmar GMarshal Node tnkted Kurumi sandroba Offered it to Palmar without being asked VisceraEyes Mataza Ignored invitation from Palmar Amber[Light] redFF Meapak_Zipph Eternalmisfit DropBear Complete fluff and cause of suspicion in and of itself, scum love posting lists, its an easy way to "contribute" For the lazy 1.) Linking sand and varp to buy cred for his mole 2.) Doesn't care about who is lynched 3.) "I'm a noob, take me off those pressure lists" 4.) Light FoS on scum to distance 5.) fluffy posts -If I was really hoping sandroba would get lynched, why did I continually fight for him? And you saying that a possible switch from Tackster to kita is indicative of me not caring who gets lynched, you are already forgetting the list of 4 people I posted who I thought were scummy. They were both on it. I was happy to vote for either because I thought they were both Mafia. -Varp was DEFINITELY on the table, Palmar was pushing for him like there was no tomorrow. You are mistaken. I had them linked because they were both talking about the same issue. I didn't link them, THEY WERE ALREADY LINKED! -I'm a noob yes, but I never said take me off. I wanted to know why I was on there. -Wiggles directly attacked what I was saying. I was defending myself. -I've already covered the fistpound list. Palmar himself was grateful for it. It was made to show patterns later once Palmar activated his ability for the same time. It was useful and I would argue still is. Why is asking about why I'm on the lists scummy? Me being on there completely contradicted what I thought the purpose of the things was. Your favourite post from me on VisceraEyes is so much your favourite that it doesn't get much analysis. Oh wait, probably because it was a) correct and b) was opposite to what you did by voting BC. I clearly said that I believe Viscera was acting like a noob towny with a bruised ego. Most if not all of his actions could be explained by the fact that he was noob town being told he was shit by a veteran. I backed him and was correct. Suddenly that makes me Mafia? What do you mean by pointing out the glaringly obvious? If everything I said was obvious, why did he get lynched? I pointed out Kurumi was lying. You say I make no suggestion as to what to do about it. How about ignore him? Isn't it obvious that's what I think we should do? Your link to my hiro analysis is actually redFF analysis. But whatever. This is my analysis of hiro. I went after him because he actively defended Torte de Lini by trying to get bum lynched when he already had a bomb on him, because he was on Rean's votecheck list, because of his low activity and because of his atrocious reasoning of voting for Palmar. He not only refused to defend himself but absolutely noone argued with me. I sure didn't see you come running to his rescue. Why were my arguments against redFF poor? You just say that they are and don't explain. On June 14 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote: He's been pushing bad lynches and behaving scummily all game long, while trying to *look* pro town. Not trying to help the town, but trying to look pro-town way too hard, rather than trying to win, he has been trying to build cred while misdirecting the town. Been pushing bad lynches? I was on Wiggles day 2, bumatlarge day 3 and Torte day 4. I was on Jackal day 5 because it was bleedingly obvious it was better for everyone to get him then vig Barundar. That's a pretty stellar record if I don't say so myself. Trying to build town cred while misdirecting town? This is pretty rich coming from someone who managed to spearhead the PALMAR lynch over BUM of all people. This analysis all looks HEAVILY manufactured Marshal. Your analysis contains severaI points that are completely incorrect. I have you pegged as town because of the roleblock by Torte but this is pure rubbish. You already led an atrocious mislynch on Palmar. Try harder next time. | ||
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On June 14 2011 10:41 GMarshal wrote: Wonderful plan. Oh wait, you forgot that the list isn't infallible, I'm 80% sure theres a miller out there, for balance purposes. And a Godfather type role is probable. Your plan would be wonderful, except if we follow it and follow your plan, and there is a miller and a mafia outside the list then we lose. I'm betting that thats the case, and I'm betting that you are the mafia outside the list. You are desperate to silence me before the town listens to me and realizes "fuck, dt roles aren't foolproof". I'll agree to the plan on three conditons. 1.) You prove rean isn't mafia and just playing us 2.) You prove the only mafia left are on that list 3.) You prove there are no millers. Guess what, you cannot fulfill those conditions, so I will not agree to that plan. I'll execute steff, If I find evidence that his is mafia, otherwise you are shit out of luck -Rean was saved by EM Night 3. How is there any REMOTE chance that he is Mafia? -There is a possibilty that there are more Mafia off the list, but that would bring the total up to 8. 8 Mafia and 2 serial killers out of 33 is quite a lot of anti-town players. -There are no millers in the OP. Why are you 80% sure there are millers? | ||
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Doesn't that bother anyone? There are four possibilities and I'm the ONLY CANDIDATE? With absolutely noone arguing against it? The only person who has actually laid a case is Marshal and his case is terrible. steff is in no way confirmed. redFF if you know something about Amber that we all don't you need to get it out in the open. At this late stage there is no point in hiding. | ||
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Every single one of his big pieces of news have come after they had already been confirmed in the thread. It is oh so easy for anyone to do that. You've got it wrong guys. stefftastiq is the scum you're looking for. | ||
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He hasn't done ANYTHING to help. You are correct, I missed that one time in which he produced some new info. However, when he told of the crazy cat lady, it was obvious that had to be you. Everyone else had either open claimed or we knew the majority of their role mechanics. It hasn't been used to help anyone. Ignore the role for a second. Look at his actual behaviour. He voted to save Torte de Lini on Day 4. He hasn't done any scumhunting at all, just going along for the ride. He's just stated that he's busy with real life. Well guess what, I had an exam last Friday, one yesterday, one today and another one tomorrow, plus a catastrophic internet failure for nearly a week, yet still went out of my way to get to a computer and post some analysis. He's using it as an excuse to avoid contributing. What pro-town actions stefftastiq? You haven't really made ANY actions. You've been content to sit back and let town fuck around without offering anything concrete at all. He's voting because Palmar says so, more saliently because he knows it's a mislynch. | ||
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On June 15 2011 05:03 redFF wrote: I was the first to make a case against TDL. Actually mister, I think you'l find that it was ME who first pointed him out. With my first post of the game in fact. On June 14 2011 20:42 redFF wrote: Everyone agrees that Dropbear is the lych, no argument there Doesn't this concern you at all? That there isn't even an alternative? This isn't like the bum or Wiggles lynches where it was screamed at us in the day post. I'm on the list yes but 5 other people are as well. On June 14 2011 09:46 Palmar wrote: I like the dropbear lynch, as he can never be cleared anyway. If he flips red, that's no clearance for anyone though. Palmar you said yourself that it doesn't bring any new information to kill me off. Cthsasza, none of this makes sense. Read my rebuttal again. I never asked to be taken off the list. I just wanted to know why I was there. You say yourself that you didn't know what was so bad about Varp. I didn't do anything fluffy, I said "these people are scum and should die." That's about as unfluffy as you can get. How much scumhunting has stefftastiq done? None How many original opinions has he offered? None How many times has he stated "I am a noob" outright in one of his posts? More than I have fingers to count. How many players left have less posts than stefftastiq? None. STEFFTASTIQ IS MAFIA. | ||
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On June 15 2011 18:30 Palmar wrote: PGO stands for paranoid gun owner, the role you claimed (IE: you kill anyone that visits you). Also, you misunderstand me, killing you doesn't clear anyone pushing for your kill, but of course it reveals information. Rean's list has two mafia on it, so your flip actually gives information on that list. But I'm against lynching for information anyway, I want to lynch you because I think Rean is telling the truth and I think you're the scum. Why do you think I'm the scum though? I'm not doubting Rean at all. Why not stefftastiq? | ||
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Game-winning move: Eternalmisfit saving Rean. We could easily have won this if that hadn't happened. No list-check meant we would have steamrolled, even with Palmar resurrected. Congratulations EM! You are MVP in my opinion. Barundar, we should have listened to you about the leprechaun! If we had lynched Palmar maybe Jackal58 would have helped us out. We didn't know Amber[Light] was a medic role so we thought we could kill Rean that night. Sorry to my teammates for being quite inactive, I've been in exam period. I'd like to think I went pretty well undetected. GMarshal once again it was fun! Bum, Wiggles and Barundar, was nice being on the same side unlike last time where you guys tore us apart . And to Torte de Lini, I hope you play again! I think you could be real good at this game with some practice!This was a really fun setup, would love to play again. So many laugh out loud moments, the Palmar lynch, Viscera killing BC, Marshal convincing Palmar to shoot redFF Now that the game is over, could someone please tell me why I was on the zodiac list? I didn't know whether to be happy, sad, frightened or whatever why I was on them! | ||
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On June 19 2011 16:27 Amber[LighT] wrote: Lol my zodiac list was my scum list. I wanted Redff to post it for me on Day 1 to see what would happen. I also wanted to use that list to get a reaction out of him. I was pretty convinced he was pro-town when he didn't question the list or get offended by who I chose. I also put viscera on that list so mafia would think he would be a good shot target since I made his role. I didn't think he was going to get lynched day 1. Was I that obvious day 1? I tried to play exactly as I did in the previous game. And deconduo, for PTP2, maybe get people to pick roles for someone else still but don't tell them who they are picking for? | ||
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Keep the game in the thread. Torte de Lini was being hassled when he posted in other forums. Noone should have to put up with that any time they post outside the Mafia forum. It's distasteful. | ||
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