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On May 31 2011 11:59 chaos13 wrote:
I think that would be a good idea. It will give us some focus.
The five I would suggest for this:
tnkted - has not been acting entirely pro-town. I definitely want some more input here.
Sandroba - I'm still not comfortable with his plan in the beginning.
Mataza - Reacted to very light (joking) suspicion at the beginning and was quickly defended (weakly, although lightly) by GMarshal and Palmar
Karshe - has posted and clearly read the thread, but has not contributed. Lurker.
redFF - reasons already stated
What does everyone think of this?
I think you're scum.
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On May 31 2011 17:21 Mataza wrote:
I have been sleeping over this and it´s bugging me.
So here´s the thing:
There are things we are not expecting(yes obvious).
We have 33 people and 33 roles. Yet Mafia have only 1 Kill per night.
A reasonable amount of people for scumteam would be somewhere around 5-9. This is not slightly off balance, this is "WTF is this shit?".
Looking at these numbers, I would refuse to play the mafia side, because of pointlessness.
Scum slip?
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On May 31 2011 20:29 Kurumi wrote:Also Jackar,are You on meth,man? Why tunneling chaos13 so hard?
Lol. I'm not tunneling Chaos. I just wanted everybody to be aware that the two people he fosfed both appear to possess roles scum would not want to have in the game.
When I tunnel somebody you and everybody else will know it.
And thanks Node. I didn't see the post from Decon regarding scum kp.
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On May 31 2011 21:44 Mataza wrote:
No problem. I don´t vote yet, because I don´t intend to vote more than once.
I looked into 5 people who gave me a strange gut feeling, and only kitaman actually kept giving me that after rereading.
Its a pretty weak case, and I consider his role and his meta behaviour to be possible explanations. I can´t truly judge his meta behaviour, but his responses are unsatisfactory so far.
That´s all there is to it from my side.
Why? Voting is a tool. It serves more than one purpose.
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On May 31 2011 22:40 GMarshal wrote:
Hey, has anyone noticed that tnkted's vote on coag is actually counted in the vote thread?
Does no one else find that strange?
I wonder what would happen if we lynched him? Coag I mean.
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Wow Lassie can talk. 
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I fear for the safety of Kurmi and Rean.
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2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance.
3. No conditional voting.
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If Twinkles does indeed have some sort of role requiring him to vote like a moron I'm not sure that that ability will extend to everybody.
When I previously asked "I wonder what will happen if we lynch him" it was a joke. Not something I actually wanted to encourage people to do. I hope you guys change your votes before lightning strikes. If you're town we can't afford to lose you due to a lapse of judgment. If you're scum , although I would feel a lack of satisfaction in getting you lynched, by all means leave your votes as is so we can all see what happens and laugh hysterically when you get hit by the lightning.
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On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 07:35 Mataza wrote:
tl;du:
Your plan prevents something from happening that won´t happen unless your plan was done already.
You say w/out your plan mafia can claim any role they want. But they can´t unless they somehow find out who created their roles. And right now your plan reveals exactly that. We are done discussing a plan that will not be put into place. Both sides have been pretty clearly laid out. Instead answer these questions. 1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight 2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow 3.) what is your favorite colour 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest?
#1 and #4 are the same question. My answer to both is Meapak Ziph
#2. Amber[Light]. Only on the premise he'd lift his leg and piss on the throne.
#3. Green. It is the color of my wife's eyes.
I will state right now that I will not participate in any plan that has me divulging who I made their role for. Enough of you will be annoyed at me before this game is over. I have no need to add another to that list. I also have no plans atm to divulge my role. It would require 3 pages and a legal department to sort it all out. 
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On June 01 2011 08:07 Mataza wrote:
Huh, what?
I thought Amber could only bark and tailwag.
And then I question Viscera being on it. Maybe that is because I know him from last game.
But he said at one point he is picking up no scumread and he is just waiting for something big happening.
I´m not aware of a reason he should be on the fabled zodiac list, let alone Sandroba which Amber voted for.
On second thought, why the HELL is Sandroba on Ambers list?
I assume this to be a lie until Amber barks personally.
##vote redff
# Kurumi
# Karshe
# Mr. Wiggles
# deskscaress
# GMarshal
# Palmar
# Eternalmisfit
# sandroba
# chaos13
# kitaman27
# Kenpachi
# Tackster
# Varpulis
# tnkted
# hiro protagonist
# redFF
# sinani206
# Node
# bumatlarge
# Mataza
# Mig
# VisceraEyes
# Amber[LighT]
# BloodyC0bbler
# Torte de Lini
# Cthsazsa
# Barundar
# Meapak_Ziphh
# DropBear
# prplhz
# stefftastiq
# Rean
# Jackal58
Player list. Grrr or wag tail after each name. Use your brain.
On June 01 2011 07:59 sandroba wrote:
1) hmm if I HAD to shoot tonight it would be tortedelini because he's either useless or mafia. I wouldn't want to be stuck in a mafia xxxix sinani situation in the late game.
Useless townie is better alive than dead. Most people I've seen call townies useless as a reason to kill them are scum.
This is first and foremost a numbers game. As long as town stays ahead of the curve we win. Doesn't fucking matter how useless you thing the surviving members are. What matters is your willingness to kill them. Don't be a dumbass. Unless of course you are scum then feel free to be a dumbass.
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On June 01 2011 08:30 sandroba wrote:
I dissagree with you wholeheartedly Jackal. Building a case to lynch torte de lini would boil down to he's being useless. Player's would argue that he's noob town or mafia and it would take us nowhere since it's very hard to tell those appart unless the noobtown is actually posting opinions and being useful. Vig shotting this kind of players is very useful to town, specially if you have to shoot day1 and don't have a very strong scum read on anyone else. Pushing for scummy players to be lynched is better than to vig shot them because it generates discussion and out more mafia. Vig shots are better saved for people you are very sure are mafia and for players that can't be read and are lurking/being useless.
Lynching somebody you deem useless is scummy. We are here to lynch scum. Not to appease your superior intellect. If we lynch what is in your eyes a "useless" townie we have wasted a lynch and diminished our numbers by one.
Advocating this position in any way shape or form as a townie is lunacy. You sir are no lunatic.
In RoL's experimental mafia games we were faced with a situation of having to go forward with an absent townie or lynch him. There were no modkills for inactivity in that game. In that situation I did advocate lynching the inactive. If we didn't town would have lost by default at a mylo. Torte de lini is not inactive. He may not be posting as much as you like. He may not be posting content you agree with. But goddamn it he's fucking here. He's fucking posting. If you can't come up with a better reason to lynch somebody than your opinion that he's useless I will do everything I can to hang your ass. That outlook from town is sheer stupidity and allows scum to rape us. And again. You're not stupid.
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On June 01 2011 08:56 sandroba wrote:Again, I'm not advocating a lynch, because if he keeps posting like he has there's no way to build a case to differ him from being useless town from mafia. He's also NOT here. He's all over TL, but not here. I'm advocating a vig shot unless he steps up and start posting opinions and giving us something to work with. If you can't see how this is benefecial you are the lunatic, not me.
Please. Same difference. How many vig shots do we have? Do you have any idea? I don't. I'm pretty everybody here has no idea. Most games this size have 1 or 2. For all I know half the people here have a shot of some sort. But I'd much rather they shoot scum than somebody you see as useless. I have no idea if Torte is scum or not. What I do know is scum love to have townies kill people they have labeled useless townies.They also love to claim vigi. And vet. They're one offs they can easily hide behind. You setting up your scumbuddies for a fake claim already?
And you really have no idea how much of a lunatic I can be.
Please keep telling us how advantageous it is to kill a townie. I'm loving it.
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On June 01 2011 09:19 sandroba wrote:
OK jackal, how can you tell he's townie??? I fucking have no clue. If he keeps posting like that how will we ever be able to tell he's town? What incentive mafia has to kill a player like that if he's town. If it comes to late game and you have to decide who to lynch or lose will you be confident he's one or the other? I was also answering for an hippotethical question by GM if I was a vig and HAD to shoot someone tonight. Stop distorting my posts.
I can't. I have already stated I have no idea if he is scum or not. But upon viewing the second bolded I am now positive he is town and you are scum.
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On June 01 2011 09:33 sandroba wrote:
jackal58, your logic never stops to surprise me.
We really don't know each other. Scummy. Nice slip btw.
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On June 01 2011 11:01 chaos13 wrote:
@prplhz
Your argument for Tackster being town is not very strong. Node's for him being scum is actually quite strong. I also think that sandroba will flip green, and an information lynch is never preferential to a scum lynch. Therefore, I think we should be putting pressure on Tackster instead of Sandroba.
You are one of the few players I have a town read on. I think if you were on a mafia team your scumbuddies would be helping out your posting a bit more, rather than letting you bring attention to yourself with arguments like this one.
Lol. You really shouldn't paraphrase me in a game I'm in.
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On June 01 2011 11:48 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2011 08:43 prplhz wrote:
I think I'm gonna vote for sandroba.
He came up with a crazy plan that got shot down like a lot of plans do. Then he claimed "LAL" and left and now he's back and defending his plan again. I am voting for him solely because I think that this is odd behavior and I don't think that I would ever act like that.
Other than that I think he is spammy. (though not as terrible as Kurumi who I think is actively trying to disrupt constructive townie discussion, but I don't think that he is scum so I'm not voting for him).
##Vote sandroba So that's the only reasoning I found for your vote on me. I must say your reasoning is great. "He's behaving odd imo and is spammy." How does that equal scum? Am I missing something here?
Sounds like the same reason you want to kill torti.
And btw I never tunneled you in XXXIX. I tunneled cthalphabetsoup. I responded to one post you made. And then I died.
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Bill Murray destructiveness is far beyond anything present in this game.
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On June 02 2011 02:34 deskscaress wrote:
also i find it really unnerving that GMarshal, supposedly an experienced, good player, tried to vote for himself
that gets a big "uh, okay?" from me
Many times voting for oneself is fine here. Actually more often than not.
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On June 02 2011 04:24 chaos13 wrote:
Alright, Kurumi and prplhz, quit with the arguing back and forth. I think you're both town, and you're not helping anyone with it.
Jackal58, why did you vote Sandroba?
We're still arguing about Viscera, Sandroba, and Tackster, as well as tnkted now. The more I read tnkted's posting, the less I think he is scum, and I have already made my thoughts on the other three clear. I would encourage everyone to move to GMarshal. A few of you have already said you feel he is scummy as well. Act on it. He is our best candidate for a lynch today.
Because I believe he is scum. If you'd rather I could switch my vote to you. I think you're scum too.
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On June 02 2011 04:56 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:35 Jackal58 wrote:Because I believe he is scum. If you'd rather I could switch my vote to you. I think you're scum too. That's some quality analysis right there you two. Jackal, you have nothing to gain by not posting the reasons you think Sandroba is scum. Same with the reasons you think I am scum. Likewise for you, Palmar. I wasn't defending him. I was saying you two need to stop spamming up the thread with your back-and-forth bickering.
If you haven't seen why I think Sandroba is scum you aren't in the game. Same for why I think you are scum. Analysis doesn't need a 15 paragraph write up full of bullshit and a million referenced quotes.
I think you are scum for immediately attacking two players that revealed roles that in the hands of townies are quite invaluable. As soon as I called you on it you were all lovey dovey with both of them.
Bullshit.
I pressured Sandroba on his useless townie post. At first I just wanted him to understand that a "useless" townie is better than a dead townie. He disagreed and posted this gem "What incentive mafia has to kill a player like that if he's town." Are you fucking shitting me?
There ya go.
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On June 02 2011 05:17 Palmar wrote:
I'm calling you scum because you're scum.
Also because your pm from dec said so.
Good enough reasoning for me bro.
Explain as much as you can. First who are you referring to?
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