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On June 01 2011 06:15 deskscaress wrote: he also doesn't put spaces after his commas,like this. it's really unnerving. is that how he normally posts or is it also worth noting? English is not his first language so his grammar is generally bad. On top of that, he likes to have an inane style of posting which got him lynched on the first day in XXXIX. I went back and checked XXXIX and he had the same style of posting 'You' so I doubt it is a posting restriction or a breadcrumb. | ||
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On June 01 2011 06:47 sandroba wrote: Well their claim holds no wheight if there's no one to confirm it, and if they do it it will sound extremelly fishy unless they provide info that helps us find mafia. I can't see a scenario where mafia claiming a role without info that leads us to scum and without anyone to confrim it that results into them being less suspicious. Can you please provide me with an example? There might be an occasion in the game where we might want people to role-claim. At that point, if the mafia does not know who gave them the role, they cannot fake claim. On the other hand, if we give scum all the information in a silver platter, they can make as many fake claims as they want. | ||
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I have not seen any obvious scum slip-ups which paint someone clearly as mafia. However, there are some suspect activities which do show potential scum tells. Here are the suspect activities and my take on them. 1. Sandroba's plan - I won't go in the debate on whether the plan is good or bad because it is a horse that has been beaten to death. I believe the plan is bad and scummy in nature. I also believe that it is bad enough in nature that any scum won't deliberately propose it to paint himself as scum (esp a decent player as Sandroba). So, the argument against him is mostly WIFOM. The rest of his play (rather aggressive in nature) is similar to his town play in XXXIX and SNMM so I don't suspect him on any meta as well. Given this, I would be hesitant to vote on him just on the basis of it. However, he seems a good candidate for the zodiac list and I believe the town should keep pressure on him to contribute. 2. Palmar - I don't know why most of the town is giving him a free pass. His posting comes suspect to me and it is highlighted by two things: weak accusation of Varpulis, and fist-pumping. Despite what his role entails and its need for fist-pumping, I believe he should be contributing more in terms of analysis. Also, once evident that his case against Varpulis isn't gaining any support, he has slipped into the shadows. His analysis of Varpulis based on SNMM is pointless as that game was rather different both in terms of setup and quality of players involved (all newbies). If he really wanted to compare, XXXIX was a better place in terms of vet+new player mix and size of the game. Also, bad plan =/= scum necessarily. The bigger suspect behavior were gems like this: On June 01 2011 00:40 Palmar wrote: No reason to scumhunt bro, just help me drag that Varpulis guy to the gallows. There is no reason not to scum hunt. At best, I would give 55-45 odds to your case against Varpulis which means the town needs to scum hunt. Even if we were 100% sure that Varpulis is scum, we still need to hunt scum since there are more than one scum. On June 01 2011 08:50 Palmar wrote: it's ok, can anyone just shoot mataza tonight so we don't have to deal with the insanity? Sudden vigi-shot call on Mataza. I can't find any insanity per se and you do not provide any reasons as to why we should do this. There are more red flags raised by his posting but those are in regards to his role-playing and fist-pumping. I would like to see how the night plays out before commenting on it. 3. prphlz's defense of Tackster - It sounds so ridiculously stupid that someone is not scum because they posted Kisses at the end of the post. For all we know, it might be something related to his role in this crazy setup. I have never played with him or followed a game where he played so I do not know whether his play is usually better than this. 4, Sinani's sudden appearance when he was called out in the thread. It might be a coincidence but given his similar play as scum I would keep this is mind. He has made a couple of posts since then which seem acceptable in quality but nothing spectacular. Based on my read through of the thread, my #1 lynch candidate would have been Palmar. However, somehow 8 people in town thought it was a good idea to fist-pound him w/o wondering about potential consequences. So, I am hesitant to make him a lynch candidate as the potential risk to reward ratio is too high. The rest three suspicions do not merit a lynch vote by themselves. I need to double check on tackster, tnkted and Rean since those three seem to a point of discussion at this point of time. | ||
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I can agree with people saying that there is some fluff in the post esp. the part regarding Palmar and tnkted role's. However, I do find some relevant contributions as well in the post. His idea about redFF-Amber isn't too bad as it keeps the dog-speak clutter off the thread. I am not sure whether redFF's subsequent PM with Amber regarding the zodiac list was a consequence of this idea or independent of it, but it seems quite a good use of redFF's ability. I also agree with his comment of duplicating the vote on the main thread as well. It is good for current vote analysis as well as future reading where in-thread votes allow someone analyze voting patterns without going through the hassle of ascertaining time-stamps of the vote. The idea of outing mafia-centric roles might also be a reasonable one though it is a debate best left for Day 2. It does remind me of controlling power roles in PYP-Insane. Tackster's post by itself doesn't scream scum to me. It is a mediocre post but it does contribute something to the discussion. I think the only reason it is gathering attention is that he posted it all in one go while others have made posts similar in nature just split up and spread apart throughout the thread. | ||
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On June 01 2011 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I've got a survey. 1) Which do you consider to be more scummy; Active Lurking or Thread Derailment? 2) During the night, who do you think is going to be a top-priority target for Mafia? 3) Given the opportunity to Bro-fist Palmar, would you do it? 4) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think has the most town cred based on this thread alone? 5) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think controls the opinions of others the most? 6) Between Palmar's frattiness and red's Masonry, who's role do you find the most interesting based on information you have now? 7) Assuming you had the entire town's ear and you know everyone would believe you, what do you want to say FIRST? If anyone doesn't feel comfortable answering my inane questions, feel free to ignore them. Everyone else, take note of who doesn't want to answer my inane questions. Ok, this post is scummy as hell. It serves no purpose for the town except derails discussion and encourages spam. The only ones who can benefit from these answers are scum. And the post ends with an appeal to the town-cred trying to subtly suggest that people not answering the questions are suspicious/scum. (see itals) #Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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There is a general lack of content in their posts but that can be said about Torte, Kenpachi, Barundar, and hiro to name some other folks. I am not familiar with the playstyle of those two as well so cannot comment on a scum/town read based on that. Some finals thoughts before I head to bed, I think that there are too many lynch candidates and my voting on Viscera does not help either. Too many candidates put more power in the hands of scum to control the lynch. I am of the opinion that narrowing down the lynch candidates might be a better idea so that the town can focus on a smaller pool. | ||
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Can we get an updated vote tally in the vote thread? | ||
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On June 01 2011 21:13 Mataza wrote: I will post one, I keep tabs on that stuff. If you read the vote thread, I am asking for an official tally for a specific reason. Otherwise, I would have added up the votes myself. I want to know if Meapak's vote was specifically not counted or somehow Tackster is immune to votes. This is information that is relevant to the town. | ||
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On June 01 2011 21:26 Mataza wrote: Good point. I would think it pretty strange that votes on tackster straightout become invalid. It would be gamebreaking like tnkteds claim that he cannot be lynched nor killed. I just cannot imagine those things to be in the game. Pointless to speculate. Just wait for the official vote count. | ||
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1. Vote-checker DT - If you have a role which is similar to this one which reveals number of possible mafia is a voting list, do check the vote list of VisceraEyes. It is likely that we have a scum or two in there since it was quite a close lynch with a lot of vote switching going around the end. If you have something similar also and not necessarily limited to votes, use it on a medium-to-short sized list (relevant to your role) to find/eliminate possible scum from your lists. 2. Inventor-type roles - Police siren radio is an excellent idea from PYP-Insane. It can obviously be modified in context of this game as well. A secondary idea will be the inventor making a vote-checker device and checking the vote-list on Viscera. 3. Watcher-type roles follow zodiac list to follow those people. I would recommend using BC's zodiac list since he is a confirmed townie now. 4. DT-type roles focus outside the zodiac list. Of course, it is finally up-to the person with the role to decide what to do with it but it is better to start organizing the town than run like headless chicken asking for vigi-shot for one and everyone. On that topic, I am also surprised to see so many calls for vigi-hits tonight. Most of the Day1 analysis has been WIFOM. More often than not, Day1 lynch is a townie. So, it is not surprising to see a Day1 town lynch. It is bad that we lost BC as well but that was not caused by scum. As for the vigi-hits tonight, I recommend using no vigi-hits tonight simply since we do not know how much KP town has and how much KP mafia has. Also, there is a lack of serious scum contenders or any analysis regarding it either so there is no point wasting town KP on what will be a 50-50 chance. All I see is 10 people shouting for vigi-hit on 10 other people without strong analysis or justification. I am also seriously surprised to see none of the vets in the game finding all the Night1 vigi-hit talk bad. | ||
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On June 02 2011 09:47 deskscaress wrote: ^real BBCode. how do i make green text on this forum? "[color][/color]" replace color with green, red, blue. | ||
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If not, I will have to see the odds to make a decision about it. | ||
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On June 02 2011 10:42 redFF wrote: goddamnit sinani...Just because i claimed doesn't mean you have to. For all we know Sinani could be a mafia PGO type role and will just kill anyone who visits him -_- Which is why we use Bum to kill Sinani. No other townie touches him. Good things happen -> BC revives Bad things happen -> Bum dies and the town gets rid of two baddies | ||
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On June 02 2011 10:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote: It couldn't be a recruiting role, could it? As in it brings back BC, but changes his alignment? I'm trying to think of any possibility where scum would want to do this, and that's about the only one I can think of. The only other thing, would be if he's something like a methman or NRA member, but then he'd only do a 1 to 1 trade, and that's bad for scum, so it's unlikely. Also, if we send Bum in to do it, any possible traps become irrelevant, because they won't kill town anyways :p I think we should go for it, if we're sure of his alignment. Since there is both role and alignment reveal on flip, I doubt mafia would play this card.. | ||
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On June 03 2011 05:54 redFF wrote: ... So conditional voting is scummy but when you do it its ok... SHOOT HIM PLEASE THIS GUY HAS CONTRIBUTED NOTHING IN HIS LAST TOWN GAME HE ACTUALLY ATTEMPTED TO CONTRIBUTE. HE HAS DONE JACK SHIT ALL GAME AND NEEDS TO DIE CUZ HES SCUM.... Can you cut down on the caps and read the thread please? All night activities have been decided since the deadline to submit them has ended. Lets just wait for the day post. | ||
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On June 03 2011 06:17 Kurumi wrote: Ok guys so there's couple of things. Bumatlarge chosen my role. That may but may not indicate GM is scum. I told GM everything about my role. Bum crumbs it when he talks about smelling things from far away. I am Tarp Mage and I feel KP from galaxy away. I was roleblocked,thus I couldn't use my role. At one point in the game I said I could confirm Bum being scum using my role. His roleblock claim is FALSE. I've chosen role for Prplhz. On June 03 2011 06:09 Kurumi wrote: I claim killing Sandroba. Desk was a mafia hit. Varp was Palmar's hit. Prp was Node's hit. Mafia has only 1KP in entire team? Does not compute | ||
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Bum claimed role-block for not being able to shoot. Kurumi claimed role-block AND killing Sandroba (not the first slip-up that I caught). He claimed a role-block again once Mr.Wiggles ability was revealed. Clearly, one of them is lying. | ||
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