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yep, you're right, sorry.
it dont matter though, i am sorry if you're telling the truth. this isnt done out of spite, or anything like that. i have tons of respect for you, but this is a game and i want to win, so ill do whatever i think is best for town.
im putting my faith in rean being town, and my entire revision of your plan is created around this.
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i feel sorry for you, whoever created your cultist miller survivor role basically made sure youd lose this game.
but again, i want to win.
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On June 18 2011 05:31 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 04:38 Palmar wrote: i feel sorry for you, whoever created your cultist miller survivor role basically made sure youd lose this game.
but again, i want to win. And you will. Changing the order of the kills dosn't change anything except letting me win. Come ON! You *know* I'm town, I've done nothing but contribute (bar day 1 and 2, sorry about that). There is no case, I don't understand why you won't just agree to kill me last. I have no tricks up my sleeve, no aces left. I can only win if you let me. Point out a single anti-town action from me, a single post pushing scummy objectives. My posts weep of being green, and still you want to kill me for some undefined reason. I have no KP, and nothing I can do to hurt the town. Why? I still don't understand why rean's alignment is relevant btw, my whole plan was drafted around him being town and getting shot tonight, which is what is going to happen with 90% probability. I can win with you guys, I've been trying to all game long, and the possibility is right there within my grasp. Town is going to win no matter what, why do you want to steal my join victory.... *sigh* ;_;
explain how I know you're town.
you know redff1s' investigative ability has a 25% chance of failing.
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Right, I'm going to try to explain to you how the things work out here.
Rean and I are town
Cthzasza is neutralized because he can't die if he's mafia, and if he uses his ability it can be controlled. Also, you say you have a town read on him, so do I. I value your opinions GM, you're good at this.
That leaves:
Karshe, Steff and You.
One must be lynched, one must be shot, and one must be targeted by Cth.
So, we lynch the one that is the most likely to cause any shenanigans. We know for a fact that even if Karshe has bombs left, we will get information on that in the day post, and simply be able to lynch him, leaving one town alive.
This means Karshe does not need to die before the next day cycle, so he will be the target of Cth's death vig shot.
So that leaves you and Steff. One must be shot, the other lynched. Steff has never caused any shenanigans all game. We know you have a complicated role and a 25% chance of a wrong report from redFF.
I simply believe that between the two of you, Steff is less likely to have anything up his sleeve. I would shoot you if I wasn't pushing for a lynch on you.
The end result is always the same.
Either we have me and Rean alive tomorrow, or we have me and cth. if it's me and rean, we lynch the third guy, if it's me and cth, we lynch cth and he bombs the person that isn't me.
So yeah, this is why I want you dead, sorry.
I'd shoot you in the night anyway, it must be done.
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On June 18 2011 06:17 Cthsazsa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 03:10 Rean wrote: Does anyone know if stefftastiq's role has been full-claimed and if the creator of steff's role claimed aswell? No, his role hasn't been fully claimed. That's the thing, steff hasn't done anything this whole game. He's managed to lurklurklurk and avoid all of our attention. Lynch steff, shoot Karhse. If we still haven't won then lynch me and I'll take GM down.
Read my post above.
We _can_ switch steff and GM
But the rest remains the same.
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On June 18 2011 06:21 GMarshal wrote: You are costing me the game. We don't even know steff's role. No one has checked him and no one has claimed it. How do you know he dosn't have a gun.
I don't have any shennanigans to pull and you know it. You just want me dead. I can accept that, but don't hide it under "oh its the best play". It isn't it makes not one whit of difference what order we do it in.
You are ignoring a second major fact. How do you know its *mafia* we are dealing with.
What if whats left is a serial killer. A list checking serial killer.
I doubt it is, but it will be interesting to see what happens if Rean dosn't die tonight, no?
Sure, cth is clear and so are you and lets accept that rean is. How do you know karshe dosn't have a hand grenade as part of his role? How do you know steff dosn't have a mindblast that can kill a player?
You don't, you are just deadset on killing me. Of the three, I'm the only one who's role is actually fully disclosed, and confirmed by an outside source. Yet I'm the most likely to pull shennanigans? Once again, you have no real reason to kill me. Or at least no logical reason to.
I have given the idea Rean is mafia a thought, I have a simple picture guide on my actions if this happens.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CDFIq.jpg)
And no, I don't want to "just kill you".
Once again, trust that I have great respect for you as player. So much that I find it more likely that you can pull shit like this off than Steff.
But we have to either shoot or lynch you, or that is my opinion. I really don't want to fail town again.
If Rean comes in and tells me I'm an idiot, I can change my mind.
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On June 18 2011 06:38 GMarshal wrote: Also, I never said "mafia" I said serial killer, which is a bird of a different color. But I digress, I *really* doubt rean is anything but green
yeah, I wasn't going to draw up "mafia, or sk, or something else anti town".
But you get the point.
I've commited to that read, and I'm sticking to it, cause no one has told me I'm an idiot for it.
I kinda rely on people telling me I'm an idiot.
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On June 18 2011 06:43 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 06:41 Palmar wrote:On June 18 2011 06:38 GMarshal wrote: Also, I never said "mafia" I said serial killer, which is a bird of a different color. But I digress, I *really* doubt rean is anything but green yeah, I wasn't going to draw up "mafia, or sk, or something else anti town". But you get the point. I've commited to that read, and I'm sticking to it, cause no one has told me I'm an idiot for it. I kinda rely on people telling me I'm an idiot. Oh, is that all you need? You are an idiot then, vote for someone else!  did it work? 
nah, it needs to be 3rd party.
But, valiant effort, nonetheless.
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On June 18 2011 10:10 stefftastiq wrote:Cant believe you waste your lynch on me tho, wont give you any information except show I'm town  Good night!
We have to kill you, if you think Rean is town, it's the correct way forward.
But I want to shoot you, not lynch you.
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Just so it's clear for tonight.
Cthzasza, you're selecting Karshe for your night kill.
I am shooting Steff.
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On June 19 2011 03:10 Cthsazsa wrote:Wtf. If you think he is scum, why are you apologizing? In fact, why are you voting for him Karshe? Palmar if you think GM is anti-town, why are you telling us what we should be doing tonight? Why are you guys lynching him "just cause" or because "we have to make sure we're safe"? From what it looks like you're not even sure if he's the right lynch. If we followed the other plan this wouldn't have to happen -_____- 1) Lynch Steff 2) Shoot Karshe 3) Lynch GM 4) Shoot me 5) I take Rean with me That would leave you, Palmar, as the last man standing.
you're forgetting the mafia kp.
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On June 19 2011 03:28 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 03:24 Karshe wrote: Cthsazsa couldn't be a SK, right?
The only thing I found odd was the night he chose GMarshal, before Cthsazsa was even dead. And there were two nights in a row where Amber protected GM. I'd give you my thoughts, but since I apparently can't win anymore I have no interest in helping. You fuck me over, then I'll make sure you get the same back. I'm going to laugh and laugh at Palmar when the serial killer/mafia wins. You DO NOT lynch townies who are obviously not scum, but obviously that basic tenet of town play hasn't been absorbed yet. I'm sure that this spectacular loss will make it something to be remembered.
yeah whatever.
I know I'm bad at this, so what did you expect? I don't think you're obviously town, I think you're scum or 3rd party.
But hey! I'm terrible at this game, why should people listen to me.
If the TL town can't deal with one bad player, then either the games are imbalanced, or they're just not very good. I can't do analysis, and most of my gutshots are wrong, deal with it, or ban me from future games here on TL.
Not that it's likely I'll be playing more.
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And since this is probably the last game I'm playing here I'm just going to say straight out, the people that ragequit this game, mostly because of me, are fucking idiots and probably the biggest reason I'm not here to stay.
Whatever, I'll be around to cast votes and night actions, not posting anymore.
See you.
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On June 19 2011 06:31 Mig wrote: GG guys. Valiant attempt GM, you almost managed to talk your way out of a confirmed vote check lol.
Don't quit palmar! You made a couple huge errors in shooting varp and chaos but you made the right decision when it really mattered and probably saved the town.
Oh right.
Sorry, all what I wrote above was just bullshit.
I just got slightly annoyed (but it also only confirmed my suspicions) that GM was going for "I'll make you feel bad" defense instead of "I am not scum" defense.
So I decided to do the same, sorry about that GM.
The only part I actually meant was the part where I said the people who ragequit were stupid. There's no excuse for that, I hope a ban awaits.
I'm sorry for all the failing. If you guys want, I can stick up a post with my thought process throughout the game. It's been a bumpy ride, but if anyone is interested in knowing why I made the decisions I did, then I can provide that.
In the meantime, I wasn't wrong on everything: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9662352
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On June 19 2011 06:38 GMarshal wrote: Sorry I was so abrasive palmar, It was all an act. I was trying really hard to get someone to switch the vote off of me.
Again, really, really sorry if I offended you by calling you bad, you didn't play that terrible at all, I just desperately needed to make you doubt yourself.
If you are pissed at me feel free to lambast me in PM's I had no intention of making you feel bad :/
If you quit because of me I'll be sad, I'm sorry ;_;
don't worry about it, I was just counter-guilt-tripping you.
:D
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On June 19 2011 06:56 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 06:52 deconduo wrote:On June 19 2011 06:44 Barundar wrote: Still decon, you can't make it so town KP = mafia KP imo. Not in a game as big as this. No side should have to rely on roles. Not really. 2 mislynches and town would have lost. Look how close mafia came to winning, with town lynching correct on 5/7 lynches. If mafia had 3KP or even 2KP this game could have been a mafia slaughter ending on day 4, especially if bum was able to hit 2-3 people with his bomb. The problem with games like this is that its really difficult to balance, and with all the KP roles in the game I stand by my decision to give mafia only the 1 KP. Its the DT and listchecks that screwed you guys more than anything else. Nope, it was unavoidable that town would get a number of confirmed innocents. Town was really, really bad this game, if we hadn't made them kill each others so happily they would have rolled us end game with a few confirmed.
We only got one?
I was actually thinking about shooting Rean over steff.
But yes, list checks are op and this game was town favored.
Anyway, one thing I really want to say. Great job everyone with creating the roles, they were almost all funny and interesting.
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So yeah, formal apology to GM for counter-guilt-tripping that hard.
That was over the line, sorry.
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On June 19 2011 12:19 chaos13 wrote: Good game town. Whoever made my role, thank you. It was awesome. Rean, I made yours. Hope you enjoyed it.
Palmar, I sincerely hope you never ever ever get a vigilante type role again. Ever.
Next time I'll shoot players in alphabetical order.
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@Mataza, your guide is all wrong.
I'll explain.
Step 1: Shoot DTs Step 2: Lol, the DT was a mole, claim town cred Step 3: I really hate DTs, let's shoot more of them Step 4: Shit, they don't like that, claim assassin Step 5: Get lynched Step 6: np, Get ressed. Step 7: Shoot more DTs Step 8: Win anyway
I can vouch for it, this strategy has never failed me.
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