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On June 08 2011 01:20 Kurumi wrote:
Am I wrong or Palmar was hardcore on Mataza until the bomb was announced? Palmar,You know how he would flip so You just dropped the case? How fortunate.
Wait what?
First of all, I wasn't hardcore on Mataza's case. I think I remember telling people to ignore him.
Second, even if I was, why would I keep telling people he was scum when he was about to die anyway?
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On June 08 2011 01:20 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 01:07 Cthsazsa wrote:On June 08 2011 00:35 Barundar wrote:On June 08 2011 00:30 Cthsazsa wrote:On June 08 2011 00:21 Barundar wrote:
Meh I don't trust Palmar one bit, but we can deal with him tomorrow I guess. At least we get one claimed anti town tonight. I'll keep my vote on torte, with the hope that he dies tonight. Bye bye bum. What good is keeping your vote on TDL going to do? What good is being number 13 or 14 on the bum lynch going to do? Bum is pretty dead with or without me by the looks of things, I'll stay where I'm most certain of scum. You think he's scum because of the fact that his posts hardly contribute and aren't even helpful, yet you don't completely think he's anti-town because of his argument with Kurumi.? There's other people who've been contributing far less than Torte, people who haven't contributed shit to discussion, such as Sinani. I don't believe his claim that his death will revive someone. He says that he has to be killed for it to work, as lynching will do no good. Wtf is that? His role probably involves killing people that visit him. No one confirmed, meaning his creator's probably dead. Post that sticks out to me: On June 02 2011 09:28 sinani206 wrote:
I'm sure that there's more than one killing role... Obvious attempt to draw our vigis to visit him, so that they die? I'm not buying any of Sinani's bullshit. I don't understand how you guys are missing this, I don't understand how you guys are letting Sinani fly under the radar, and I definitely don't understand how you think TDL is more scummy then this guy/ Sinani's claim matches the claim of the person that claimed he made it. If he isn't what he said he is we have 2 scum. I don't know what his alignment is though. BC was opposed to Sinani's death. So it's possible if Sinani dies we get Mr. Wiggles back in the game. Provided he was truthful about his role. 
He claimed wanting to be shot right after Viscera/BC died though. This is before he knew Wiggles would be flipped, this is before he knew VarpuliS would be shot.
While it doesn't clear him by any stretch of the imagination, I doubt that back then he was setting up a death on night 3 / day 4 to bring back any mafia that might have potentially died before then.
On June 02 2011 08:57 sinani206 wrote:
Kill me please. Something good for the town will happen.
So yeah, I'm technically allied with town at this point, so I might as well try to be useful. This is why I would consider checking Sinani instead of killing him.
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On June 08 2011 01:26 GMarshal wrote:Kurumi dies tonight, by my hand (unless the bp vests protect him from my goddamn knife). Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 20:02 Mataza wrote:
GMarshal
Can kill members of his circle. He has been quite dodgy as a player. Right now, his killpower is bound on killing Kurumi again and again until Kurumi stops or is forced to stop. If he is ever free to decide again, everyone in his PM circle should claim for their own safety, as he can only kill those.
Right now he has Jackal, Bum and Kurumi as of my knowledge in his circle.
Hate to disappoint, I only have Kurumi in my circle. Plus my kills are broadcaster as "the mysterious cult leader killed _____" so if I go on a killing spree its going to be very, very blatant (mind you, I'm about *this* close to going into GM rage mode at this point). Also LOL at Palmar claiming assassin. I dont buy it. Now I know you are scum, you claimed assassin to buy another night for yourself, so you can kill more townies, you are just banking on there not actually being any assassins in the game. Plus *even if* you are telling the truth, your alliance with the town is *worthless* as we cannot enforce anything we ask you to do, as if you really are an assassin (which you aren't by the way) then lynching you to "enforce" our demands is an utter waste. You are just desperate to survive just one more night, so you can deal maximum damage to the town. Wonderful strategy, at this point I'm convinced you are scum, and so is bum, you are just busing him because his night ability isn't as valuable, if I'm not mistaken. However it seems like the town is content to let you scooch by. Whoever the bomb placing guy is, do you mind strapping one around his neck? For when he isn't dead tomorrow, I mean.
Cool, well I'd rather not get bombed, but I guess that's my fate for now. At least I've spared the town using bad lynch against me instead of killing scumatlarge.
The only thing that's still broken in your analysis is the same thing all the people accusing me of being mafia have:
Why would I claim the chaos13 kill if I was scum?
The lynch is the town's strongest weapon. The mafia already knew that bum would be under pressure. What kind of an idiot plan would have one of their own randomly claim the chaos13 kill just to bus bum anyway.
It just doesn't hold up.
I'm an assassin, there are two more in the game.
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Do it yourself.
Killing me today is stupid.
Are you guys honestly suggesting the mafia plan looked something like this?
-> Step 1: Bus the mole, get town cred
-> Step 2: Help lynch Wiggles, knowing bum is in trouble
-> Step 3: Kill a cop, claim the kill, and lose every fucking gram of town cred we have
-> Step 4: Claim assassin, bus Bum anyway, cause that's how I roll.
-> Step 5: Get killed
4 mafia down, go us!
This is not what will happen if I flip. All you will end up with is a wasted lynch, and Bumatlarge still alive.
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On June 08 2011 01:40 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 01:37 Palmar wrote:On June 08 2011 01:26 GMarshal wrote:Kurumi dies tonight, by my hand (unless the bp vests protect him from my goddamn knife). On June 07 2011 20:02 Mataza wrote:
GMarshal
Can kill members of his circle. He has been quite dodgy as a player. Right now, his killpower is bound on killing Kurumi again and again until Kurumi stops or is forced to stop. If he is ever free to decide again, everyone in his PM circle should claim for their own safety, as he can only kill those.
Right now he has Jackal, Bum and Kurumi as of my knowledge in his circle.
Hate to disappoint, I only have Kurumi in my circle. Plus my kills are broadcaster as "the mysterious cult leader killed _____" so if I go on a killing spree its going to be very, very blatant (mind you, I'm about *this* close to going into GM rage mode at this point). Also LOL at Palmar claiming assassin. I dont buy it. Now I know you are scum, you claimed assassin to buy another night for yourself, so you can kill more townies, you are just banking on there not actually being any assassins in the game. Plus *even if* you are telling the truth, your alliance with the town is *worthless* as we cannot enforce anything we ask you to do, as if you really are an assassin (which you aren't by the way) then lynching you to "enforce" our demands is an utter waste. You are just desperate to survive just one more night, so you can deal maximum damage to the town. Wonderful strategy, at this point I'm convinced you are scum, and so is bum, you are just busing him because his night ability isn't as valuable, if I'm not mistaken. However it seems like the town is content to let you scooch by. Whoever the bomb placing guy is, do you mind strapping one around his neck? For when he isn't dead tomorrow, I mean. Cool, well I'd rather not get bombed, but I guess that's my fate for now. At least I've spared the town using bad lynch against me instead of killing scumatlarge. The only thing that's still broken in your analysis is the same thing all the people accusing me of being mafia have: Why would I claim the chaos13 kill if I was scum?The lynch is the town's strongest weapon. The mafia already knew that bum would be under pressure. What kind of an idiot plan would have one of their own randomly claim the chaos13 kill just to bus bum anyway. It just doesn't hold up. I'm an assassin, there are two more in the game. You claimed killing chaos13, because you are the only person with a known kp. Forestalling the question by claiming is a very nice mafia strategy, its one I tried using in PYPI. Yeah, I think you are scum.
I'll tell you who else has a known KP
THE GODDAMN MAFIA.
Meapak died from Dropbear, Kurumi claimed the kitaman shot.
The mafia would have known they did not hit Meapak.
It's astonishing you still think this. Town, you should definitely check GMarshal, he isn't this thick, so he's definitely got something in the works.
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On June 08 2011 02:09 Cthsazsa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 01:57 GMarshal wrote:On June 08 2011 01:48 Palmar wrote:Do it yourself. Killing me today is stupid. Are you guys honestly suggesting the mafia plan looked something like this? -> Step 1: Bus the mole, get town cred -> Step 2: Help lynch Wiggles, knowing bum is in trouble -> Step 3: Kill a cop, claim the kill, and lose every fucking gram of town cred we have -> Step 4: Claim assassin, bus Bum anyway, cause that's how I roll. -> Step 5: Get killed 4 mafia down, go us! This is not what will happen if I flip. All you will end up with is a wasted lynch, and Bumatlarge still alive. Actually its more like. Step 1: FUCK, mole is uber DT. I have to kill it! Might as well make the best of a shitty situation and get some cred. Step 2: Fuck, a red dt check. Have to bus. No choice. Step 3: I think I have enough cred to get away with killing a town DT, let me try it. Step 4: SHIT, they weren't as fucking stupid as I thought... I guess I have to bus bum as hard as humanly possible so I can still deal some damaged. Step 5: Well, it looks like they might actually get me lynched. SK claim sort of worked for my useless buddy bum, assassin would have been better though, I'm pretty sure there are no assassins in the game, let me try that. Step 6: Shoot townies at night, claim bus, mind control, or just "playing to my win condition", town can barely lynch me That sounds much more like what happened. Palmar, I wanna see your counter-argument to this.
Gladly.
First, does the mafia actually know the role of the mole? Or just his alignment. If it's only the alignment, then well.. your entire first part is down the drain. Dec, can you clarify?.
All I will answer is his step 3.
Why didn't I just say that I got roleblocked, (just like GMarshal himself did  ) and retain my town cred, while still getting rid of the DT. The mafia kill is STILL not accounted for.
Step 2 I agree with, even the mafia had to bus him.
Step 5: Well yeah, I thought I was about to get lynched so I claimed. When I claimed I hoped for better reactions, like people actually wanting to keep me alive to keep other assassins in check. But I guess I'll die tonight.
Do not waste a lynch on me.
Only good thing to come out of it is that it will paint a very interesting picture for the town.
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On June 08 2011 02:26 Cthsazsa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 02:21 DropBear wrote:It seems I can't quote either  Why is shooting a mole an obvious scum play? It'd be very stupid scum play. A lynch vote for a scumbuddy is one thing, using a KP on him is something else entirely. If he's an assassin the Varpuli kill makes perfect sense. Vote staying on bum. Gain town cred, duhh. And that was the only thing Palmar was using to make himself appear town.
That, my entire posting history, and the fact I claimed the chaos13 kill.
Whatever, lynching me is stupid, I tried my best.
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On June 08 2011 02:40 redFF wrote:
Here is what we do.
Scumatlarge is the lynch
Palmar shoot torte de lini
Karshe bomb Torte De lini
Medics on Karshe
If torte de lini is not dead in the morning we lynch Palmar
We might lynch Palmar even if Torte De Lini is dead in the morning
Then Torte De Lini and Palmar are dead. ^.^
I agree with this plan.
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On June 08 2011 02:50 Cthsazsa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 02:49 Palmar wrote:On June 08 2011 02:40 redFF wrote:
Here is what we do.
Scumatlarge is the lynch
Palmar shoot torte de lini
Karshe bomb Torte De lini
Medics on Karshe
If torte de lini is not dead in the morning we lynch Palmar
We might lynch Palmar even if Torte De Lini is dead in the morning
Then Torte De Lini and Palmar are dead. ^.^ I agree with this plan. Well no shit, that plan means you'll get to live past tonight. Horrible plan.
Oh, yah, I didn't read that we were double stacking torte.
Anyway, if I live past the lynch, I will be shooting torte. No lists, no plans to avoid roleblocks or anything.
If the mafia protects him somehow, I will accept my fate and let you lynch me the next day, or even just eat the bomb that Karshe will likely stick on me.
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On June 08 2011 02:51 Karshe wrote:
If we lynch Bum, mafia loses a member.
If we lynch Palmar, mafia loses a KP.
Why are you people voting Bum still...
You're wrong.
I'm not mafia.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 08 2011 02:54 GMarshal wrote:![[image loading]](http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/118/d/7/death__the_grim_rider_by_scarypet-d1yrld6.jpg) Is me now. I'm pissed.
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you, after I don't flip scum.
Also, thanks for the compliment about SNMMII, but I have played this game terribly.
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On June 08 2011 02:58 GMarshal wrote:
3.) there are no unaccounted for kp
The mafia one?
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I guess it's in order I write down whatever thoughts I have.
First of all, I sincerely apologize to everyone for playing badly. I was not lying when I played the newbie card, someone said that role didn't reveal alignment, and I was convinced Chaos13 was scum, despite his role-checking powers. I decided to take a shot at him, figuring at worst I'd have killed one mafia for one town, and at best I'd go two mafia.
I clearly need to work on my scumhunting skills because they seem non-existant. I'm re-reading Ver's town guide at the moment. If anyone has more resources on how to play town and scum-hunt, then please send me that way. I desperately need it. I'm good enough at talking and lying, but I have no idea how to spot scummyness it seems.
So yeah, I hope people don't rage to hard, I hate the fact I was given such a powerful role with so little experience, and I hope you will all welcome me in future games.
Here are my thoughts on some of the current players in the game.
redFF: He's defending me, which is sensible, but might also be a very good way of getting rid of suspicion. I felt early on that he was giving me scum vibes, but his actions seem relatively pro town. He might know I won't flip scum, and be using this to get rid of suspicion
DropBear: has completely failed to create any discussion with his analysis. He seems to have told the truth about his "paranoid gun owner" type of role, which is pro town. I like him for a green.
Hiro Protagonist: Confirmed the role for MrWiggles, I think he is a good green candidate too.
Sinani206: He asked to be killed on night one to revive BC, very likely town.
Jackal: I'm not quite sure. I think I want to paint him town thanks to his aggressive behavior, but I don't really know any meta on him, so it might be how he plays. He seems to have good intentions in what he does.
Torte: Randomly roleblocking people is just bad, you should bomb or lynch this guy because even if he's pro-town, he's making the game harder at random.
Kurumi: Just get rid of him already. If GMarshal is unable to do it then lynch him.
GMarshal: He has failed to contribute anything than bandwagon me which won't look good for him when I don't flip scum. He's basically responsible for saving bumatlarge at the moment. I would have a look into flipping him at some point. I'd say he's scum.
Cthsazsa: Probably town, I don't really have much to back it up. I just think he is.
Bumatlarge: Definitely mafia.
Karshe: Pro town, I'd recommend keeping him around as long as the bombs get strapped where they should be strapped. I said earlier today that I thought he was scummy, but these last hours have changed my mind on him.
Stefftastiq: Should be forced to contribute. I'd have a look into him being an anti-town role, even scum.
Eternalmisfit: I'm not sure on him. I still think he is acting quite scummy, going after players I think or know are not scum, and suggesting that he has some breadcrumbed information. I like him as possible scum.
Pandain: Zero read, nada. I'm very disappointed Kenpachi ragequit out of the game.
Mig: Probably town, I don't have much on him.
Amber[Light]: Probably town, I hope someone has checked him because he's impossible to read with the posting restriction I gave him. By the way, I designed the role to be flexible (ie feel free to add your own dog emotions). His role is only good as long as it's kept secret, sadly this goes for both sides, so I'll take the secret to the grave.
Barundar: Weird and indecisive is my read on him. once more someone I'm not comfortable with as town. I think he deserves a check or flip, unless he provides something useful for town.
Rean: I just don't know... ain't got nothing on him.
tnkted: probably town, confirmed my role when it was a lie, which is pro-town, as my lie would only benefit town.
I'm sorry, I won't be around again until around lynch time. I will pop in to say GG. I hope people will not shun me from games or something for my bad play.
I will flip town, I just claimed assassin hoping to get rid of the lynch train on me, after failing on the chaos13 thing. I was hoping the town would actually do a useful lynch today, and then assassins would kill me, and thus ending my streak of uselessness. Alas, that was not to be.
Good game people, I feel like shit, I'm sorry.
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hey I'm back.
If anyone wants to ask any questions.
I apologize once again for my sloppy play.
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oh btw, redFF, mig and others who are not supporting my lynch are not cleared in any way when I flip town.
All in all, I fucked up, created an easy target for mafia, and proceeded to get lynched. Good luck town.
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On June 08 2011 05:44 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 05:43 Palmar wrote:
hey I'm back.
If anyone wants to ask any questions.
I apologize once again for my sloppy play. How would You like to get lynched? A shot in head should suffice? Of course You're be on Your knees.
You should probably try to act a little less hard-ass. Being an internet tough guy is neither funny nor cool.
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On June 08 2011 05:45 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 05:43 Palmar wrote:
hey I'm back.
If anyone wants to ask any questions.
I apologize once again for my sloppy play. If you are town, Why the hell lie about being an assassin???? what did you hope to accomplish for town with that claim?
I thought I was about to get lynched.
and my play wasn't pro town. I figured my best bet was to claim assassin. That way the lynch would probably go on bum, who is likely scum, and I would hopefully be killed by assassins, thus not having town waste KP on me.
I realize now that this was dumb, because I couldn't maintain it. But yeah, that was the plan.
All in all, I was trying to make sure we didn't waste a lynch, and getting bum out of the game asap, and getting myself killed easy.
Obviously a bad idea. I'll learn from the mistakes.
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On June 08 2011 05:53 hiro protagonist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 05:47 Palmar wrote:On June 08 2011 05:45 hiro protagonist wrote:On June 08 2011 05:43 Palmar wrote:
hey I'm back.
If anyone wants to ask any questions.
I apologize once again for my sloppy play. If you are town, Why the hell lie about being an assassin???? what did you hope to accomplish for town with that claim? I thought I was about to get lynched. and my play wasn't pro town. I figured my best bet was to claim assassin. That way the lynch would probably go on bum, who is likely scum, and I would hopefully be killed by assassins, thus not having town waste KP on me. I realize now that this was dumb, because I couldn't maintain it. But yeah, that was the plan. All in all, I was trying to make sure we didn't waste a lynch, and getting bum out of the game asap, and getting myself killed easy. Obviously a bad idea. I'll learn from the mistakes. And if you flip green, I will have to learn from mine T_T And we lost two more towns! fuck me, the game is now Mafia vs 3rd party if palmar is not scum...
Well, I'll take the blame for this one.
There are some very good town players voting for me, and I can't fault them for it, I failed.
Sorry.
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On June 08 2011 05:58 Cthsazsa wrote:
Palmar if you really are town you should be defending the shit out of yourself right now -__-
I tried.
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On June 08 2011 05:58 Cthsazsa wrote:
Palmar if you really are town you should be defending the shit out of yourself right now -__-
I laid it out, my actions are inconsistent with mafia goals.
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