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I had no desire to change my vote until your 11th hour scum-switch. | ||
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On May 18 2011 12:26 Palmar wrote: Alright, turns out he was indeed a terrible mafia! This definitely isn't a bad start. I still worry about the amount of information we have, but I guess that can be remedied in the coming days. First thing to do is try not to overthink the situation. There is a chance the mafia might have voted for Giyg as soon as they saw him as a potential target, but the obvious and much more accessible solution is to approach the problem from the point of view that mafia didn't vote for mafia. So unless any major clues get revealed, the first thing to do is to analyse and understand everyone that got on the wrong side of the vote, and try to find out who was genuinely wrong and who had malicious intent. Karshe Hiro Protagonist Wunder Nard Palmar It's more than likely that both the remaining mafia can be found in this list. I will break down everyone's posts in this list, except of course myself, that's a job for someone else, and provide analysis in the coming day. Here's my problem with your approach here Palmar. Everyone on that list voted for Skrammen for one reason: Because he's inactive and you (among others) were gunning hard for inactives the ENTIRE GAME. I don't even have to analyze your posts...they all say the same thing. "Inactives are a threat to this town, we must get rid of them first." What I find interesting is that after spending all game saying this, the very first post you make after we find some scum is "Forget inactives...let's start looking for scum now!" As Mataza pointed out, 2 of the 4 most inactive players voted rightly for who they thought was scum. The other 2 bandwaggoned on someone more inactive than they are. | ||
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At the time, you were top of my list for people who are red. Mainly because you were targeting me and I suck. At any rate, one of the things I said to you earlier was "Unvoting is NOT suspicious...timing of unvoting IS suspicious." You have to admit....pulling a 9:59 switch totally betraying the people who were voting for the inactive....it looks pretty scummy. I had no desire to switch my vote until you did this. I dont' know who I would've switched to, but I know that I didn't want my vote to lie with yours, scum in my eyes. | ||
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[sarcasm]Yeah, I agree...someone who had GiygaS on his official, posted scum-list should have MOST of your suspicion.[/sarcasm] Unless we have a doc, I postulate that Mafia intend to murder Mataza and discredit me to try and get me lynched d2. | ||
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It's reasonable to assume that my reaction was noob scum-tell. Allow me to explain my thought-process behind what I said. At the time of your switch, I was in a bad place in the game. I'd been trying to analyze all day, tried posting my thoughts on various people, anything I could to try and help hunt scum. You had posted something which I thought was suspicious, so I analyzed the post. I had clearly asked you to clarify a few inconsistencies in the post, but you just waved them away refusing to answer them. Claiming that I was saying something I wasn't. Add to that Palmar's assertion that everything I was doing was useless, and you could see my frustration. Now, on to the post in question. Your switch made me imagine two likely scenarios. First, that you were scum and at the last minute you switched your vote knowing that as it was so close, you knew you were hitting GigyaS. Otherwise, you were scum, and you were hitting GigyaS in an attempt to clear you of suspicion when GigyaS flipped red. I decided before I posted that the most likely scenario was the second and left my vote unchanged...as you'll note, I DID post before voting was closed after you switched. I had ample time to switch my vote. So what you're saying is that I not only outted myself as scum by commenting on your switch, but that I in my noobiness forgot to unvote and save my scummy friend. Is that correct? | ||
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Revisiting my scumlist we see that I had prplhz, Palmar and GiygaS. For this example, I'm going to assume you're all three mafia. At any rate, before your switch, we see that you and GiygaS were both voting for Skrammen. Not only does this effectively block the vote for GiygaS, but it allows Palmar to Off-vote (vote for someone NO ONE ELSE is voting for..very scummy behavior at the end of the day) to ensure that even if in the event someone switches last minute, he could swoop in and recast his vote for Skrammen. Good. Great. But then we take into account the fact that A) GiygaS is highly under suspicion of the most active (and most accurate so far) scumhunter, Mataza and B) He's playing bad scum and C) Mafia can converse with each other, it isn't far-fetched to believe that a last-minute switch from inactive Skrammen to obvScum GiygaS would not only clear your name ("See? I voted for scum too!", but pave the way for Palmar to then go on a witch-hunt of those who voted against GiygaS lynch. "But VE, why wouldn't Palmar just vote for GiygaS himself?" you might be asking...well, if you'll read the rules, the person with the most votes first is the target in the event of a tie...which would've resulted in Skrammen getting lynched anyway. BOOM HEADSHOT. GG Maf. Fire away...I don't even NEED to post anymore! Mataza, this is what's happening. They can't kill us both. I suggest Palmar first as he appears to be the brains. prplhz won't know how to cope. | ||
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I'm just messin with you. Towns victory is assured, so it doesn't matter at this point. | ||
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Thx for clarification. @prplhz What that doesn't change is that I thought they did. But obviously, that's unprovable, so I'll stop wasting time debating it. | ||
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Why vote for someone no one else in town was voting for? Why not help get rid of the inactive everyone decided was the best target? If not him, why not vote on the obvScum everyone else decided was the best target? Why alone in your vote? That's very suspicious my friend. | ||
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He's okay...he's just acting aloof and dismissive...that's NOT an uncommon strategy for Mafia. Like, no amount of analysis is even WORTHY of him noting. In spite of saying you were very helpful to town d1, did he actually mention AGREEING with anything you posted? Did he even quote you ONCE? Or analyze you? He's bandwagoning your INNOCENCE rather than someone else's scumminess. | ||
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I don't mean to imply that I thought GiygaS was obviously scum...I wasn't absolutely certain of him. I used the term obvScum to indicate that he was highly under suspicion and anyone who wanted to could've easily jumped on the GiygaS Bandwagon of Death. | ||
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....at the time. It wasn't a bandwagon until the end. As you pointed out...you were pushing GiygaS alone for a while. | ||
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