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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 03 2011 19:04 GMT
#19
When is this due to start? My exams end on the 12th so I can /in provisionally.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 11 2011 16:53 GMT
#161
1. If someone attempts to pick a role thats already taken they end up as vanilla townie.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 14 2011 11:22 GMT
#283
Thats kinda the whole point of the journalist role, to have people make fake claims.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#284
Oh, and to those coming up with picking tactics, I'm noting going to be following them. I'm going to pick whatever I think is most fun, not whats most optimum.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 14 2011 12:56 GMT
#287
On May 14 2011 20:57 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 20:24 deconduo wrote:
Oh, and to those coming up with picking tactics, I'm noting going to be following them. I'm going to pick whatever I think is most fun, not whats most optimum.



This argument has been made in past PYP games as well. I can certainly understand where it comes from, no one likes to be dictated to, and the point of mafia is to have fun. However, it's important to note that what you're basically saying is, "No matter if role-denial is a great thing for town, I'm going to do whats best for me". This is of course an anti-town and pro-mafia viewpoint, so I hope you understand that I'll probably view it as such, and may hold it against you as the game goes on. I'm not trying to be a jerk here or anything, just trying to point out how I see that particular viewpoint.

However, if you disagree and think that role-denial is NOT a great thing for the town, that's a different matter, and i encourage you to elaborate(which i'm sure folks some will).


My viewpoint is that the game starts after the roles have been picked. Any optimum picking strategy or awesome pick setup (like LSB's) just goes against my style of playing. I will be playing pro-town once the picks have gone through.

Regardless, to avoid confrontation I've chosen numbers in a way that I will hopefully be in the middle/end of the draft rather than the start.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 15 2011 22:36 GMT
#429
[18][2]

I have to say, Traitor, VI, Journalist, Puppeteer look like awesome picks. Don't hate me.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 15 2011 22:51 GMT
#432
On May 16 2011 07:44 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 07:36 deconduo wrote:
[18][2]

I have to say, Traitor, VI, Journalist, Puppeteer look like awesome picks. Don't hate me.

I'll hate you for the Traitor

I already claimed my pick earlier: 1,1


After what happened in PYP3, I don't think I'd risk traitor. I wonder what happens if a mole picks traitor lol.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 16 2011 22:46 GMT
#564
Why are people voting for Fishball?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 16 2011 23:44 GMT
#570
On May 17 2011 08:31 kitaman27 wrote:
deconduo
-Announces he will select the "fun role" rather than following any set plan
-Makes no comments on the set-up, but promises to play "pro-town" later on
-Claims to choose his numbers in order to appear at the middle/end of the draft
-Publicly informs that he is considering traitor and VI. Then mentions that traitor is "too risk". Why does he find it necessary to inform us that he is considering taking a role mafia would never pick?
-Weirdly defends Fishball above

He has my vote for now. I'll post more later.



Actually I think lynching me isn;t a bad idea. I have a feeling I'm a mole. Also I didn't get any role so I don't mind too much.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 17 2011 00:13 GMT
#581
On May 17 2011 09:12 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 08:44 deconduo wrote:
On May 17 2011 08:31 kitaman27 wrote:
deconduo
-Announces he will select the "fun role" rather than following any set plan
-Makes no comments on the set-up, but promises to play "pro-town" later on
-Claims to choose his numbers in order to appear at the middle/end of the draft
-Publicly informs that he is considering traitor and VI. Then mentions that traitor is "too risk". Why does he find it necessary to inform us that he is considering taking a role mafia would never pick?
-Weirdly defends Fishball above

He has my vote for now. I'll post more later.



Actually I think lynching me isn;t a bad idea. I have a feeling I'm a mole. Also I didn't get any role so I don't mind too much.


Show nested quote +
My viewpoint is that the game starts after the roles have been picked. Any optimum picking strategy or awesome pick setup (like LSB's) just goes against my style of playing. I will be playing pro-town once the picks have gone through.


Just cause you don't have a role doesn't mean you can't still be pro-town =[


If I feel the most useful thing I can do is get lynched then I will do so
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 17 2011 00:18 GMT
#586
On May 17 2011 09:16 Kavdragon wrote:
My gut reaction is to call Decon's bluff and lynch him. I think that he's obviously implying that he's the village idiot, but I doubt that he actually is. More likely he's mafia just trying to avoid a day one lynch.

That being said, I think that the more reasonable course of action is to ignore him for now.


If I was planning to pick VI I would hardly start off by saying 'I think I'll pick VI'

I really am just a normal townie.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 17 2011 00:22 GMT
#588
On May 17 2011 09:19 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 09:18 deconduo wrote:
On May 17 2011 09:16 Kavdragon wrote:
My gut reaction is to call Decon's bluff and lynch him. I think that he's obviously implying that he's the village idiot, but I doubt that he actually is. More likely he's mafia just trying to avoid a day one lynch.

That being said, I think that the more reasonable course of action is to ignore him for now.


If I was planning to pick VI I would hardly start off by saying 'I think I'll pick VI'

I really am just a normal townie.

Let's drop the WIFOM.


Drop it like its hot?

Back on track, I think scamp is pretty good lynch today. He's scummy in my eyes.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 17 2011 00:28 GMT
#590
On May 17 2011 09:24 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 09:22 deconduo wrote:
On May 17 2011 09:19 infinitestory wrote:
On May 17 2011 09:18 deconduo wrote:
On May 17 2011 09:16 Kavdragon wrote:
My gut reaction is to call Decon's bluff and lynch him. I think that he's obviously implying that he's the village idiot, but I doubt that he actually is. More likely he's mafia just trying to avoid a day one lynch.

That being said, I think that the more reasonable course of action is to ignore him for now.


If I was planning to pick VI I would hardly start off by saying 'I think I'll pick VI'

I really am just a normal townie.

Let's drop the WIFOM.


Drop it like its hot?

Back on track, I think scamp is pretty good lynch today. He's scummy in my eyes.


Why?


This post specifically:

On May 17 2011 09:15 Scamp wrote:
I'm not going to state at this point whether or not I took Inventor. Someone might steal my patents if I am. Still, if someone does invent something I doubt it'll be as obvious as a 'town-seeking missile' or whatnot.

deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 17 2011 01:19 GMT
#593
Ace is mafia too.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 17 2011 21:16 GMT
#702
Thats no excuse, I've got to serve food to the Queen of England tomorrow.

+ Show Spoiler +
No lie, its gonna be cool.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 17 2011 23:23 GMT
#725
On May 18 2011 08:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 07:28 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 18 2011 06:49 Foolishness wrote:
Seems to me deconduo is an obvious green (or village idiot).


Could you elaborate what makes you think he is obvious green? VI perhaps, but what makes you think he green?

He wants us to lynch him because "he thinks he is the mole". He feels as a vanilla, it would be most useful if he were lynched. He has provided no attempt to help town. Are you guys inferring deconduo is the type of person that would rage quit the game because he didn't get the role he wanted?


Well, that's what I'm wondering about at the moment. From near the beginning of the game:

Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 21:56 deconduo wrote:
On May 14 2011 20:57 Radfield wrote:
On May 14 2011 20:24 deconduo wrote:
Oh, and to those coming up with picking tactics, I'm noting going to be following them. I'm going to pick whatever I think is most fun, not whats most optimum.



This argument has been made in past PYP games as well. I can certainly understand where it comes from, no one likes to be dictated to, and the point of mafia is to have fun. However, it's important to note that what you're basically saying is, "No matter if role-denial is a great thing for town, I'm going to do whats best for me". This is of course an anti-town and pro-mafia viewpoint, so I hope you understand that I'll probably view it as such, and may hold it against you as the game goes on. I'm not trying to be a jerk here or anything, just trying to point out how I see that particular viewpoint.

However, if you disagree and think that role-denial is NOT a great thing for the town, that's a different matter, and i encourage you to elaborate(which i'm sure folks some will).


My viewpoint is that the game starts after the roles have been picked. Any optimum picking strategy or awesome pick setup (like LSB's) just goes against my style of playing. I will be playing pro-town once the picks have gone through.

Regardless, to avoid confrontation I've chosen numbers in a way that I will hopefully be in the middle/end of the draft rather than the start.


This sugests that he was never initially aiming at any "power roles", unless what he wrote here is a lie. He also makes a promise to act "pro-town", once the roles go out, but never delivers, opting for spam, one-liners, and confusing messages instead.

So, he makes a post inferring that power-roles aren't important to him, so he'll aim for the middle/end of the queue, then he gets an early queue position, and supposedly picks a role, doesn't get it, and now rage-quits? That just seems off to me, when he was saying he wants to be in a position where he wouldn't get a very strong role (or any role at all, potentially). So, he's just thrown us into a bunch of WIFOM, that isn't helping anything. I might be forced to consider that he's the VI, but at this point, that's detrimental to town as well, because it gives him an excuse to post whatever he wants and to be ignored, and to lurk, under the guise of being VI. If we ever want to lynch him, it becomes a big pit of WIFOM, as he and others form a defense over his actions Day 1.

Maybe the best thing would be to have someone just shoot him tonight?


I found another mafia.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 17 2011 23:26 GMT
#729
On May 18 2011 08:24 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 08:23 deconduo wrote:
On May 18 2011 08:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On May 18 2011 07:28 kitaman27 wrote:
On May 18 2011 06:49 Foolishness wrote:
Seems to me deconduo is an obvious green (or village idiot).


Could you elaborate what makes you think he is obvious green? VI perhaps, but what makes you think he green?

He wants us to lynch him because "he thinks he is the mole". He feels as a vanilla, it would be most useful if he were lynched. He has provided no attempt to help town. Are you guys inferring deconduo is the type of person that would rage quit the game because he didn't get the role he wanted?


Well, that's what I'm wondering about at the moment. From near the beginning of the game:

On May 14 2011 21:56 deconduo wrote:
On May 14 2011 20:57 Radfield wrote:
On May 14 2011 20:24 deconduo wrote:
Oh, and to those coming up with picking tactics, I'm noting going to be following them. I'm going to pick whatever I think is most fun, not whats most optimum.



This argument has been made in past PYP games as well. I can certainly understand where it comes from, no one likes to be dictated to, and the point of mafia is to have fun. However, it's important to note that what you're basically saying is, "No matter if role-denial is a great thing for town, I'm going to do whats best for me". This is of course an anti-town and pro-mafia viewpoint, so I hope you understand that I'll probably view it as such, and may hold it against you as the game goes on. I'm not trying to be a jerk here or anything, just trying to point out how I see that particular viewpoint.

However, if you disagree and think that role-denial is NOT a great thing for the town, that's a different matter, and i encourage you to elaborate(which i'm sure folks some will).


My viewpoint is that the game starts after the roles have been picked. Any optimum picking strategy or awesome pick setup (like LSB's) just goes against my style of playing. I will be playing pro-town once the picks have gone through.

Regardless, to avoid confrontation I've chosen numbers in a way that I will hopefully be in the middle/end of the draft rather than the start.


This sugests that he was never initially aiming at any "power roles", unless what he wrote here is a lie. He also makes a promise to act "pro-town", once the roles go out, but never delivers, opting for spam, one-liners, and confusing messages instead.

So, he makes a post inferring that power-roles aren't important to him, so he'll aim for the middle/end of the queue, then he gets an early queue position, and supposedly picks a role, doesn't get it, and now rage-quits? That just seems off to me, when he was saying he wants to be in a position where he wouldn't get a very strong role (or any role at all, potentially). So, he's just thrown us into a bunch of WIFOM, that isn't helping anything. I might be forced to consider that he's the VI, but at this point, that's detrimental to town as well, because it gives him an excuse to post whatever he wants and to be ignored, and to lurk, under the guise of being VI. If we ever want to lynch him, it becomes a big pit of WIFOM, as he and others form a defense over his actions Day 1.

Maybe the best thing would be to have someone just shoot him tonight?


I found another mafia.

Is your criteria for mafia "anyone who disagrees with me"?


Nope, its a secret formula that I'll tell you after todays lynch.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 18 2011 23:03 GMT
#887
So, why has decon been playing strangely? To catch scum. Here's the fun thing, townies will think I could be scum or VI, whereas mafia would think I'm almost certainly VI. They know I can't be mafia and that is their downfall.

If you look at the people pushing for me to get lynched I would guess its nearly all townies. Mafia would want someone else lynched as lynching me doesn't help them at all. They would be pushing for me to get shot during the night.

I would be pretty sure from how he reacted that kitaman is mafia. I'd be suspicious of FW and Chezinu, and maybe Dreamflower. Kavdragon and Node are almost certainly town. Maybe Eiii as well.


For reference, I attempted to pick Bulletproof but it was already taken. I feel like this information benefits mafia more than town, but as people are pushing for me to reveal it...
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 18 2011 23:11 GMT
#889
On May 19 2011 08:10 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 08:03 deconduo wrote:
So, why has decon been playing strangely? To catch scum. Here's the fun thing, townies will think I could be scum or VI, whereas mafia would think I'm almost certainly VI. They know I can't be mafia and that is their downfall.

If you look at the people pushing for me to get lynched I would guess its nearly all townies. Mafia would want someone else lynched as lynching me doesn't help them at all. They would be pushing for me to get shot during the night.

I would be pretty sure from how he reacted that kitaman is mafia. I'd be suspicious of FW and Chezinu, and maybe Dreamflower. Kavdragon and Node are almost certainly town. Maybe Eiii as well.


For reference, I attempted to pick Bulletproof but it was already taken. I feel like this information benefits mafia more than town, but as people are pushing for me to reveal it...


Another troll post. Pew Pew.


Because you couldn't be bothered to actually read it? GJ scum.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 18 2011 23:39 GMT
#892
Morale of the story:
Don't bother trying anything fancy because people are stupid and won't believe you.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 19 2011 13:19 GMT
#1011
Hmm, if you are telling the truth I would say Node + GMarshal town. FW + maybe incog as mafia?

##Vote Flamewheel
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 19 2011 13:39 GMT
#1015
Reference to this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madden_NFL_12#Cover_athlete
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 19 2011 13:43 GMT
#1018
On May 19 2011 22:41 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 22:39 deconduo wrote:
Reference to this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madden_NFL_12#Cover_athlete

Of course. Matters considered included voting, being on covers, defeating many opponents, and a few more miscellaneous items.


I'll have a go at it, but I no nothing about american football
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 19 2011 13:44 GMT
#1019
know*
-_-
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 19 2011 23:03 GMT
#1072
Well thats handy, and I do feel theres no point in lynching Incog today. If he's telling the truth we will find out pretty quickly. We still have 2 extra lynches to think about today.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 20 2011 17:47 GMT
#1133
I still think Flame is the best lynch for today.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 20 2011 22:52 GMT
#1182
Well FW isn;t getting lynched today it seems, so to help the vote list checker I'm going to change to KillerSOS.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 21 2011 00:08 GMT
#1189
On May 21 2011 08:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 08:11 kitaman27 wrote:
Wiggles, will you be around to use your kill at least three hours before the lynch? That should give us enough time to switch based on the results. I would suggest lynching into the kav group.


I'll be around.

So, right now there's 3 kinds of opinions about what to do with the kill.

1. Shoot Incognito, see what he flips, act accordingly
2. Shoot Node, see what he flips, act accordingly
3. Shoot KillerSOS, complete lynch as normal


I would shoot sooner rather than later. If we get some information there needs to be time to change the lynch if it is necessary.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 21 2011 12:37 GMT
#1361
I can verify that Rad is BulletProof

Also that reasoning makes perfect sense to me. Say you are going to pick a role that is a high priority target for mafia and instead take BP. Mafia waste some KP on you before realsing.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 21 2011 22:30 GMT
#1379
If I die tonight, read my posts. Theres method to my madness, seriously.

And FOS kitaman, probably worth a lynch.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 22 2011 12:19 GMT
#1461
I said to myself if Ace doesn't die tonight then I'll find it really hard to believe he isn't scum. However I will wait for the Radio thing first before voting.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 22 2011 21:18 GMT
#1531
Well its pretty clear that we caught one scum anyway. I'm just curious as to why the DT that checked him hasn't been pushing for his lynch.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 22 2011 21:40 GMT
#1533
On May 23 2011 06:24 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 06:18 deconduo wrote:
Well its pretty clear that we caught one scum anyway. I'm just curious as to why the DT that checked him hasn't been pushing for his lynch.

I think it was Baundar's Caller Godfather "traitor" ability, used for the good of the town. Meaning that we don't really have an alignment DT.


Hmm, we can assume that the comparison DT is town as well as its a completely useless role for mafia. I'm interested as to why Ace checked GMarshal, that too seems like a waste if he actually is mafia. Maybe its just WIFOM but it seems like a strange move.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 22 2011 21:44 GMT
#1536
On May 23 2011 06:42 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 06:40 deconduo wrote:
On May 23 2011 06:24 GMarshal wrote:
On May 23 2011 06:18 deconduo wrote:
Well its pretty clear that we caught one scum anyway. I'm just curious as to why the DT that checked him hasn't been pushing for his lynch.

I think it was Baundar's Caller Godfather "traitor" ability, used for the good of the town. Meaning that we don't really have an alignment DT.


Hmm, we can assume that the comparison DT is town as well as its a completely useless role for mafia. I'm interested as to why Ace checked GMarshal, that too seems like a waste if he actually is mafia. Maybe its just WIFOM but it seems like a strange move.

I don't think it was Ace doing the rolecheck. Ace killed Incognito.


I don't see what other role has a rolecheck? Maybe I'm missing something though.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 24 2011 12:56 GMT
#1646
Unexpected extra shifts at work, sorry. I've been taking a few notes but haven't posted yet. Here we go:

3. Caller [10][4]
5. Radfield
6. GMarshal [17][2]
7. Deconduo [18][2]
8. Foolishness [1][1]
9. bumatlarge [1][18]
11. Chaoser [2][2]
14. Eiii [6][7]

So if there were 6 original mafia and we can assume they wouldn't double pick numbers, 3 of these are part of the remaining mafia, and Foolishness and bum both can't be scum. GMarshal, Radfield are fairly clear imo, and I know I'm not mafia. Eiii was cleared by IS, but he could be GF.

This leaves Caller, Chaoser and one of Foolishness/Bum, and maybe Eiii. Coincidently, Caller has already shown up as scum on one of GMarshal's lists.

deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 24 2011 13:07 GMT
#1647
Next, Radfield is totally clear as long as there is no vote rigger in the game. Seeing as mafia let tnkted die, that seems very probable. There is no possible reason on earth mafia would take BP over rigger if they weren't considering taking rigger later down the line. As such, we know one of GMarshal's lists has a GF in it. I'm going to have a look at that now.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 24 2011 13:08 GMT
#1648
EBWOP: I think I made a mistake in my maths, gimme a second.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 24 2011 13:27 GMT
#1649
So yeah, cross checking with the votecheck lists somewhat clears Foolishness leaving:

Caller, Chaoser, Bumatlarge OR
Caller, Chaoser, Eiii, Eiii as GF
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 24 2011 14:24 GMT
#1652
On May 24 2011 23:12 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +

So if there were 6 original mafia and we can assume they wouldn't double pick numbers, 3 of these are part of the remaining mafia, and Foolishness and bum both can't be scum. GMarshal, Radfield are fairly clear imo, and I know I'm not mafia. Eiii was cleared by IS, but he could be GF.


This is a bad assumption I think. We already know that scum collided their numbers at least once. Either Chez/Kurumi, or Chez/Tnkted(we don't know if chez was 4 or 9). Hunting scum based on numbers is an ineffective strategy. I've said it before, but if I had been mafia this game, I would have pushed to either double up or triple up on numbers with scum. Frankly, I think it's the reason there are so many 9's(Chez, Ace and Kurumi all take 9).


Either way, Caller should be vigged tonight if we have one.
deconduo
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Ireland4122 Posts
May 25 2011 13:37 GMT
#1731
GL guys, keep going for the win
deconduo
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Ireland4122 Posts
May 30 2011 00:32 GMT
#2060
Lots of credit for the Police Radio invention, really well thought out.
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