Could you elaborate what makes you think he is obvious green? VI perhaps, but what makes you think he green?

He wants us to lynch him because "he thinks he is the mole". He feels as a vanilla, it would be most useful if he were lynched. He has provided no attempt to help town. Are you guys inferring deconduo is the type of person that would rage quit the game because he didn't get the role he wanted?

Well, that's what I'm wondering about at the moment. From near the beginning of the game:

On May 14 2011 21:56 deconduo wrote:

On May 14 2011 20:57 Radfield wrote:

On May 14 2011 20:24 deconduo wrote:
Oh, and to those coming up with picking tactics, I'm noting going to be following them. I'm going to pick whatever I think is most fun, not whats most optimum.

This argument has been made in past PYP games as well. I can certainly understand where it comes from, no one likes to be dictated to, and the point of mafia is to have fun. However, it's important to note that what you're basically saying is, "No matter if role-denial is a great thing for town, I'm going to do whats best for me". This is of course an anti-town and pro-mafia viewpoint, so I hope you understand that I'll probably view it as such, and may hold it against you as the game goes on. I'm not trying to be a jerk here or anything, just trying to point out how I see that particular viewpoint.

However, if you disagree and think that role-denial is NOT a great thing for the town, that's a different matter, and i encourage you to elaborate(which i'm sure folks some will).

My viewpoint is that the game starts after the roles have been picked. Any optimum picking strategy or awesome pick setup (like LSB's) just goes against my style of playing. I will be playing pro-town once the picks have gone through.

Regardless, to avoid confrontation I've chosen numbers in a way that I will hopefully be in the middle/end of the draft rather than the start.

This sugests that he was never initially aiming at any "power roles", unless what he wrote here is a lie. He also makes a promise to act "pro-town", once the roles go out, but never delivers, opting for spam, one-liners, and confusing messages instead.

So, he makes a post inferring that power-roles aren't important to him, so he'll aim for the middle/end of the queue, then he gets an early queue position, and supposedly picks a role, doesn't get it, and now rage-quits? That just seems off to me, when he was saying he wants to be in a position where he wouldn't get a very strong role (or any role at all, potentially). So, he's just thrown us into a bunch of WIFOM, that isn't helping anything. I might be forced to consider that he's the VI, but at this point, that's detrimental to town as well, because it gives him an excuse to post whatever he wants and to be ignored, and to lurk, under the guise of being VI. If we ever want to lynch him, it becomes a big pit of WIFOM, as he and others form a defense over his actions Day 1.

Maybe the best thing would be to have someone just shoot him tonight?

I found another mafia.

Is your criteria for mafia "anyone who disagrees with me"?

Nope, its a secret formula that I'll tell you after todays lynch.

That reminds me, you never did tell me this.

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 21 2011 22:39 GMT

#1383

rofl @ you talking about Ace "escaping this one"

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 22 2011 03:06 GMT

#1404

But that means the Incog list wouldn't give "0 mafia"

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 22 2011 03:42 GMT

#1414

On May 22 2011 12:31 bumatlarge wrote:

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Just saying there are a few people who have random votes that stayed off the votelist, so checking incog's should read 0 mafia if he is scum. Why wouldn't it unless the mafia played extremely risky.

because chaoser voted for incog

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 22 2011 04:11 GMT

#1423

Fishball: I think you're missing a case, where exactly one of Foolishness and Chezinu is mafia, and the mafia one has a role that induces a lot of havoc when it dies. I'm looking at the Mad Hatter in particular. Unfortunately, in this case, if we try to kill either of them, we'll have to face some serious repercussions.

Both Foolishness and Chez have confirmed the link (or at least, Foolishness has addressed it without denying it).

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 22 2011 04:26 GMT

#1430

Good morning, Fishball.

##Lynch: Chezinu

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 22 2011 04:36 GMT

#1436

On May 22 2011 13:34 Foolishness wrote:
I thought we were going to have whoever is king kill Chezinu. Shouldn't we be focusing on someone else to lynch?

-__________-

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 22 2011 04:49 GMT

#1439

clueless in The Prism indeed... now that's settled.

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 22 2011 06:15 GMT

#1448

On May 22 2011 15:12 GMarshal wrote:
Sorry for the late post guys, I checked the Incognito list.

1 of Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Chaoser, Barundar is scum. The rest are townies, or cleverly disguised mafia.

My bet is chaoser

Take this as a "fuck you" mafia for not killing me. Now I have to substantiate all that stuff I said in what was supposed to be my last post.

Oh and ##Vote: Caller

The list has spoken.

uhh, do you mean
Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Chaoser, bumatlarge, Caller, Chezinu, KillerSOS

or perhaps

Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Chaoser, bumatlarge, Caller

or was the list heavily tinkered with?

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 22 2011 19:27 GMT

#1490

On May 22 2011 23:26 Radfield wrote:
I'm not wholly convinced that the kingmaker is anti-town at this point. So far his actions have seemed confusing to me if he was mafia aligned. Giving IS the lynch today could be a way to have boosted IS's townie-cred by bussing Chez, but that seems strange. Everything surrounding the kingmaker so far has seemed strange. Particularly taking kingmaker without taking politician. Caller, if this is your troll role, I think you should claim, as that would actually make sense. Other than that, I can't really imagine why a pro-town player would take kingmaker, but still... I'm confused. Am I missing a piece of the puzzle? Can anyone clear this up for me?

If the Kingmaker is town, he probably trusted me to kill Chez without hesitation, which I did. If the Kingmaker is mafia, he probably expected me to hesitate, and then the mafia could push me toward a town target and off Chez. I don’t think hitting mafia with Chez boosts my townie-cred at all, seeing as I was just doing what we agreed on during the night.

I also agree that – DEPENDING ON THE RESULTS OF THE RADIO – Caller should claim, and nobody else. Caller, you seem to be trying to dodge a roleclaim as much as possible. If we get a counterclaim, we're at least going to think about it: there are people in this town who aren’t made of wool.

Caller, there are 6 mafia. The mole is included in that count, and the Traitor is not. The traitor shows up as green to alignment checks, including votechecks. In addition, if the Mole is on either of GM’s first two checks, he will also have shown up as green.

I agree that the whole Foolishness-Chez exchange was incredibly suspect. Foolishness, if he wasn’t your lover, why didn’t you just flat out deny it and incriminate him once and for all? Instead, you did some wishy washy thing where you even said “we” at first. I’m all shifty eyes at this.

@Ace: There are actually a couple cases. 1) Mafia doesn’t have a RB. 2) Radfield is mafia. 3) Mafia simply believed there were better targets.

Lastly, I can guarantee GMarshal’s list won’t be the only one the Police Radio reveals. Caller GF, when held by a townie, is an alignment DT. We’ll get Barundar’s last words as well.

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 22 2011 19:33 GMT

#1494

well, this makes life easier

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 22 2011 19:36 GMT

#1498

Ok, so there was another votelist check. Which other role has a votelist check O_o?

2/10 on the KillerSOS list were mafia, and one was tnkted. That leaves us with 1/9, which is pretty damn sweet. It's not perfect, but there's a large number of townies on that list.

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 22 2011 19:36 GMT

#1499

##Vote: tnkted

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 22 2011 19:37 GMT

#1504

EBWOP: oh, I guess the other votelist check was the glasses. Well, that's incredibly convenient.

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 22 2011 19:41 GMT

#1506

On May 23 2011 04:39 kitaman27 wrote:
Bum lied about his watcher claim.

OR watcher doesn't count as a detective for the purposes of the radio.

Do Watcher and (doesn't really matter) Tracker count as Detective roles for the purposes of Police Radio?

infinitestory

United States4053 Posts

May 22 2011 19:47 GMT

#1510

On May 23 2011 04:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

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So, between these two lists, we have 3 unique scum, as there's literally no cross-over.

Doesn't that also mean that out of Bumatlarge, Caller, GMarshal, Fishball there are 2 scum, based on who's alive + scum counts? That does NOT sound right to me, especially since GMarshal is as good as town right now. I suspect there's one mafia out of Bumatlarge, Caller, Fishball, (guess who I think it is) and the mole is hiding somewhere in those two votelists.