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On May 21 2011 10:13 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 05:45 Foolishness wrote:On May 21 2011 05:24 Ace wrote:On May 21 2011 05:07 Radfield wrote:On May 21 2011 04:34 Ace wrote:
@GMarshal: If we don't lynch Incognito then who from the remaining players on the list is the second Scum? We have to clear that out first. Does ANYONE else on that list appear Scummier than Incognito? If so, vote for them. I'm not trying to be a dink here, but I don't fully understand why we need to clear the list out. I understand we need to eventually, but why right away, right now? We have the information, so it can wait for us to deal with it until we're ready. Our ultimate goal is to kill the mafia, so if targeting players on the list doesn't get that done the best, then we let it lie for now. No? No one really has a anti-town read on either Caller or flame, GMarshal seems town aligned, Incog seems town to a large portion, and Node doesn't seem particularly scummy. It seems to me that waiting a night cycle and putting some investigations on those remaining 5 is a prudent course of action. If mafia want to shoot players off the list, great. Better them than us. Also, GMarshall, it's a bit ironic that you mention no one is coming to Incogs defense, because actually quite a few players are. Myself, Barundar, yourself, tnkted, dreamflower and maybe a couple others. Mind you, in my mind those are almost mostly 'lock-solid townies'. We clear it out because we know 2 out of 6 are scum. Why would we go another direction when we already know where to look? That makes no sense. Secondly a "large portion" of town hasn't claimed Incog is innocent, especially looking at the voting thread so that point is false. If you don't have an anti-town read on Caller or flame, believe GMashal and Incog are town, and that Node doesn't seem Scummy then who does that leave? Odds are even better because it's 2/5. So far Chaoser is the only one that sheds doubt upon the validity of the 2/5 (more due to mafia intervention with a framer than he doubts GMarshal). With all the nice KP roles for the mafia I find it hard to believe they would pick framer. Especially since if they wanted to hide themselves they'd be picking the GF roles instead of framer. As what Ace said before, we need to clean up the list now because the odds are better than trying to hunt in the town pool. I don't see how you can make an argument against this, especially since it's only day 2 (it's not like we got 5 days of analysis to try to pin down mafia). Anyone who tries to vote elsewhere or make analysis on other people than the 5 (6) in the list need to be looked at carefully once the list is sorted through. All you're doing at the moment is distracting the town. If we just focus on the list we can hopefully nail the 2 mafia without suffering town casualties. These paragraphs and paragraphs of analysis against myself, chaoser, KillerSOS are just cluttering up the town at the moment, and the people making these are mafia in my head because they are just trying to get the town off focus from the list. If you think I'm mafia, or chaoser is mafia, or whoever is not on the list, great. I'm all for throwing analysis around. But geez just wait until the list is cleared up and stop cluttering the thread. Summarize your suspicion in one sentence and focus on someone on the list. And before you jump on me for not doing this, I have wanted to kill Incog since yesterday, same reasons as Ace has stated, and that hasn't changed. If there still is a mafia on the list after Incog and Chez are dead I want to kill Node. Mr. analysis and scumhunting is content to go with "the odds" and chill on the sidelines. This is too funny. Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Incog's nuke also doesn't do too much to his credit. Let me say this: Killing Chezinu, like KillerSOS or other lurkers, is easy. It was an easy kill, because town was expressing suspicion of him and a desire to kill him with my king lynch. As well, he hasn't contributed much if anything to town so far, and was mostly dead weight. So, killing him doesn't take much thought to do.
That said, I don't think I'll kill Incog right now. I'd rather leave him alive, and at the mercy of the lynch.
Actually, I think you should vig me right now so that you get more information that comes out of the scramble of all the invalid ##Vote Incognito votes. Its pretty clear that you will get no information from my lynch. Its easy for mafia to jump on either side of the wagon. If you vig me, people will actually be forced to give reasons on why they are voting for the other suspects. And Ironically you want to kill KillerSOS, who you say is a easy. Why go for the easy kill? Do the right thing and kill me instead and force people to give reasons for their votes on the other suspects.
Funny thing is, you're the only one who shares my point of view. I even mentioned if we decide to not have Mr. Wiggles use the King's lynch on you, it's better to use it sooner than later.
So far, people keep taking their own jabs at their own targets, and what do we get? Nothing so far, and we have like a little over 2 hours left. You were the only lynch target that was leading by majority, and still is. If people can't see through this simple logic, I'm just not going to bother much it and let things play out by itself.
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The more claims there are, the happier the Mafia is.
If I'm still alive on Day 3, we'll talk.
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I'm taking my vote off KillerSOS.
I don't like what I see, and like I said, if I'm still alive on Day 3, we'll talk more.
I'll be placing my vote on tnkted for now.
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On May 21 2011 13:10 Ace wrote:
I've actually got a theory depending on what KillerSOS flips. Pretty sure some of the Scum team got nailed today.
Jesus, get out of my head.
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K, Incognito is very likely Mafia, if the Politician knew he was America prior to typing into the thread. Unless Mafia has a DT type role that checked Incognito and found out he was America. Regardless, we have a game.
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On May 21 2011 13:30 infinitestory wrote:
no thats not fucking politician, since the nuke was launched straight at chez
thats a daytime bus driver -_-
Very true.
I just contradicted my own answer from last night.
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On May 21 2011 13:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
well that means we have two mafia, Chezinu and Incog
I'd be curious to hear Ace's master plan now.
I take my previous post back.
Since Chezinu and FW was bused, regardless of what Chezinu flips later in the game, Mafia has already force us to divert our resources for another period on him.
He flips green? Great, we just used our resources to kill one of our own.
He flips red? Good, we had to use our resources to kill him for a second time.
With that being said, Chezinu should be offed. I don't see any reason to keep him around, especially how he reacted for the past 48 hours.
If anyone finds the Bus Driver tonight, the Town needs to know and he has to die. No alignment check needed.
Also if the list is stands true, this is who we have left.
- Caller
- Incognito
- Chezinu
- Node
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On May 21 2011 13:46 infinitestory wrote:
I propose the following: Whoever is King tomorrow, as soon as humanly possible, lynch Incognito, or Chezinu if he is dead. If anyone disagrees with this, feel free to say why.
Incognito is America and that is a known fact. Although we don't know his alignment, but if he wants to stick around, he can't be pulling off random nukes anymore.
Chezinu on the other hand haven't done anything. The VI is already dead so we know he isn't the VI. So if he keeps up his act, he either gets mod-killed due to the fact that he is not "playing to win", or he has a different agenda all together.
If we were to pick between Incognito and Chezinu as to who to kill, it is a no-brainer.
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On May 21 2011 13:47 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 13:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
well that means we have two mafia, Chezinu and Incog
I'd be curious to hear Ace's master plan now. I take my previous post back. Since Chezinu and FW was bused, regardless of what Chezinu flips later in the game, Mafia has already force us to divert our resources for another period on him. He flips green? Great, we just used our resources to kill one of our own. He flips red? Good, we had to use our resources to kill him for a second time. With that being said, Chezinu should be offed. I don't see any reason to keep him around, especially how he reacted for the past 48 hours. If anyone finds the Bus Driver tonight, the Town needs to know and he has to die. No alignment check needed. Also if the list still stands true, this is who we have left. - Caller - Incognito - Chezinu - Node
Typo fix in bold.
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On May 21 2011 13:57 infinitestory wrote:
Fishball, Ace, are you guys by any chance very suspicious of a player who's been generally viewed as a townie?
I suspect a lot of people. Literally everyone.
So far there isn't anyone in this game that struck me hard as "this dude must be Town, 100%", but you know, it's a Mafia game. I'm not going to say much for now, but we'll see how things turn out down the road.
One thing though, if all the events that have happened so far are relevant, and is one giant scheme, Town is already fucked. To pull this off however, needs a lot of coordination and good minds. If this is really the case, there isn't a huge pool to choose from.
In past games however, I've never been able to have a good team, regardless of alignment. So the scenario mentioned above, which is literally a "perfect" team would be even rarer to occur. But who knows how Ver "balanced" the teams? This is "Insane" after all.
I'm just rambling here so take it with a grain of salt.
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On May 21 2011 14:20 Ace wrote:Yes, and in fact multiple ones. Like I said, thats TWO days in a row Incognito lived via last minute wagons on others. First Kavdragon, and now KillerSOS. Needless to say tonight I'm shooting Incognito. Anyway here is my list of the Scum team at the moment: Incognito Chezinu Radfield Mr.Wiggles Let me explain before unRadfield starts frothing at the mouth. First of all like I said about Incognito - besides his earlier play and the fact he picked America, it's people saving him. Someone earlier said Incognito isn't Scum because no one was defending him. That couldn't be further from the truth. On both days when the heat came to his doorstep miraculously a few posters jumped to his defense and voted for shoddy targets. First day it was KavCaprio. Second day it's KillerSOS, who just so happened to claim Tracker and confirmed I did visit Radfield last night. Now that he flipped Town you know this wasn't a setup. Conveniently the only thing "saving" Radfield is that he was on the wagon for Barundar and not Kavdragon. Not really much saving since Barundar ended 1 vote shy of the lynch tied with Incognito. However Radfield's defense has been very bad. I TOLD you guys it was just too convenient that the man ignored his own plan and picked America, and then tried to weasel his way out of it. But since Radfield has been Incognito's number 1 defender and should be smarter than this I firmly believe he is Scum. Chezinu, yea ok. Nuff said. Mr.Wiggles...sigh. This one is actually the weirdest or "loosest" of them all but I believe he is Scum. This stems from the fact that of the list of 6 people TWO were scum and he had King lynch power. Why would you lynch Original Name? For a townie wanting to find Scum the obvious lynch was any of those 6 targets. Lynching anyone off of the list got you nothing unless it was someone most of the town believed to be Scum. ON was NOT one of those players. There were what, 3 maybe 4 people accusing him? Why not lynch chaoser if you wanted to lynch someone off the list? My take is that knowing chaoser is under heavy suspicion, lynching just one "randomly useless townie" made the perfect scape goat move. But the real cracker here? Show nested quote +
Incognito:8
infinitestory
killersos
ace
tnkted
foolishness
chezinu
OriginalName <---HOLY SHIT BATMAN!
bumatlarge
ON was one of the people on the list that voted for Incognito before the deadline. By eliminating ON he not only killed a "useless townie" but also dropped the vote count on Incognito by 1, making it easier to lynch KillerSOS. Of the 4, Incognito and Chezinu are definite Scum. Radfield I'm leaning towards heavily being Scum because his defense and ignorance of the wagon derailment TWICE isn't just a coincidence. Wiggles, yea whatever. Add in the fact that Flamewheel dies and there is just too much coincidence to ignore here. Tonight, I'm shooting Incognito. Tomorrow, we vote off Chezinu and Kingmaker kills Radfield or Wiggles. It's about to be Day 3 with no dead mafia and I'm tired of watching you morons point fingers in all the wrong places. Anyone who doesn't wanna follow my lead can kick rocks. I'm doing things my way from now on.
This is so tempting for me to speak.
But I shall resist!
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On May 21 2011 14:28 Ace wrote:
Speak on it Fishball.
The only thing I'd comment on for now is to have whoever is the King to lynch Chezinu right off the bat, since you are shooting Incognito already. It would be better to deal with, possibly finishing off the list as early as possible since there are only four left (not counting GMarshal).
- Caller
- Incognito
- Chezinu
- Node
If two of them flip red? Great. Even if one of them flip red, we'll only have 2 candidates remaining with one of them being Mafia. If we do this quick enough, we'll have 40+ hours to discuss who to lynch.
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On May 21 2011 14:31 Chezinu wrote:me me me SO EXCITED!+ Show Spoiler +That I'm alive... this is no way spam!  Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 06:47 Chezinu wrote:On May 17 2011 06:36 KillerSOS wrote:On May 17 2011 06:28 Chezinu wrote:
Yeah, he should start wiggling into a dance under the spotlight.. I think that is the only way he can wiggle himself out of this one... And people call my posts useless. define useless...exactly.. no one really knows... at least no one has yet to inform me.. You see you have to entertain the crowds and win them over. For instance, let's say i want people to keep me around and want to form bonds of friendship. Well, i could tell them about what I did to the last town I lived in or I could show them... + Show Spoiler +Then I could tell everyone how I covered everything up and created this story that the lands remains ruined because the water became salty from agriculture produce when really I blew everything up and had wiggle chase people out of their homes with his zombie-like qualities.. I could say these things.. but would they believe me? Hmm, seems like the same thing happened to my new town as the old one…hmm, what story should I make up this time? Anyways, down to serious business: Why am I still alive? Is it because my lover is a mafia? Is it the fact that I may be the mole? I do not know these things...
Dude, if there is a Cupid in the game, or you are the Cupid himself, and you've been paired with another player; If you are Town aligned at all, you should announce who the hell is your lover right now...
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On May 21 2011 14:40 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 14:31 Chezinu wrote:me me me SO EXCITED!+ Show Spoiler +That I'm alive... this is no way spam! On May 17 2011 06:47 Chezinu wrote:On May 17 2011 06:36 KillerSOS wrote:On May 17 2011 06:28 Chezinu wrote:
Yeah, he should start wiggling into a dance under the spotlight.. I think that is the only way he can wiggle himself out of this one... And people call my posts useless. define useless...exactly.. no one really knows... at least no one has yet to inform me.. You see you have to entertain the crowds and win them over. For instance, let's say i want people to keep me around and want to form bonds of friendship. Well, i could tell them about what I did to the last town I lived in or I could show them... + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otIU6Py4K_A Then I could tell everyone how I covered everything up and created this story that the lands remains ruined because the water became salty from agriculture produce when really I blew everything up and had wiggle chase people out of their homes with his zombie-like qualities.. I could say these things.. but would they believe me? Hmm, seems like the same thing happened to my new town as the old one…hmm, what story should I make up this time? Anyways, down to serious business: Why am I still alive? Is it because my lover is a mafia? Is it the fact that I may be the mole? I do not know these things... Dude, if there is a Cupid in the game, or you are the Cupid himself, and you've been paired with another player; If you are Town aligned at all, you should announce who the hell is your lover right now...
Just to elaborate, assuming you're Town and have a Lover in the game. If you're Mafia, then nothing really matters.
If your lover is a pro-town player, we might not want him to die with you.
If your lover is one of the Mafia suspects, it would only benefit us to know who that person is.
Come to think of it, if any Town aligned player has been linked to you, and the Nuke was aimed at you early on, I see no reason for that player to not speak up... which means if the scenario first mentioned is true, your Lover is likely Mafia.
So yeah, who is your god damn Lover if you got one.
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On May 21 2011 22:17 Radfield wrote:inb4 Ace shows up and tells me either that: A) I'm a moron for revealing I'm bulletproof OR B) I must be mafia because no townie would ever reveal they were bulletproof As far as B goes, lets have a show of hands of how many people already deduced my role from the conversation that was had. My role was forced when Ace started softballing me, and revealed the moment I responded. Speaking of Ace softballing me. I just looked through the thread, and EIGHT TIMES he lumps suspicion on me for not taking VR. EIGHT!! Honestly, I really can't imagine any player who knows my history mentioning it even once. I recommend people go back and look at his comments regarding my role, it starts here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9333256Knowing what you know now, do his comments make sense from a pro-town perspective?
Regardless of your alignment, which I'm not discussing right here, no surprise that you're the BP.
When I posted on page 47
+ Show Spoiler +On May 19 2011 13:28 Fishball wrote:
Not rocket science, but unless FW and Ace/Radfield are lying, Bullet Proof is among these three.
1. Caller
2. Barundar
3. GMarshal
If not, deconduo is lying.
And Ace replied with
+ Show Spoiler +On May 19 2011 13:30 Ace wrote:
ooooooo my now things are getting interesting!
Incognito is still going to get lynched, but somebody screwed up. Flamewheel isn't the problem here though. Something is off between Radfield and deconduo.
Which I followed up with
+ Show Spoiler +On May 19 2011 13:35 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 13:30 Ace wrote:
ooooooo my now things are getting interesting!
Incognito is still going to get lynched, but somebody screwed up. Flamewheel isn't the problem here though. Something is off between Radfield and deconduo. I was just about to follow up with my quote, that there is a possibility that the post Radfield made on page 45 was "a play". I won't say it out loud on what I'm thinking right now, but Ace, if you're on the same page based on your check results, you should know what I'm talking about.
At this point, I already figured you're likely the BP, and explains why you wanted to protect deconduo on page 45. I also know you always die early in numerous games, so it makes sense that you would go for the BP. Although I thought me and Ace made it pretty obvious what your role is, at that point it would be in Town's best interest to keep our mouths shut.
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Now as for Radfield's alignment, picking BP doesn't necessarily prove anything. You can WIFOM the shit out of that.
The role has also lost a lot of it's usefulness, since he revealed it to the public.
I also don't like the fact that he revealed it this early. We're still in Night phase, and a lot of stuff can develop overnight. By all means, I would have pulled that move during the next Day phase, when there is indeed a bandwagon forming on Radfield for the lynch, assuming that he is Town.
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On May 22 2011 10:51 Chezinu wrote:The Sanity Speaks Out I have an announce I would like to make. I have been pretending to be the traitor the whole game to try and waste the mafia's only attempt at guessing who the traitor is. I started off this game with a lover and I thought to myself, "Why would mafia ever want to be a lover with Chezinu -- that is suicide" So in the beginning, I was thinking maybe my lover is innocent and the mafia were hoping that my lover would accuse me of being mafia. So, I decided to mess with the mafia and with my lover and pretend to be the traitor to see what they would do. . Well, my lover never really accused me in the thread -- maybe they wanted to live themselves. So I went extreme and guess what? Town didn't even accuse me very much nor mafia. So I was thinking maybe they are keeping me around for my destructive behavior. I ended up PMing my lover that I was the traitor before I died by a nuke coming straight after me. AND guess what happened??? I lived!!! So I decided to play along with being a traitor a little longer in hopes that the mafia would waste their guess on me. I think about now they have already used it because my lover has stopped talking to me. Because the mafia will probably protect me again tonight I thought I would reveal my lover in hopes to eliminate both of us. Sadly, I wasn't able to probe out any other mafia members from my lover as I had hoped. Now, as you all been waiting for, my lover is + Show Spoiler + I know this is crazy and I don't quite understand the mafia's decision on this either.. but that is how it happened. So hurry up and kill me or foolishness. I might have some explosive secrets to reveal.
Not surprising, and good to know. Whether you tell the truth or not is irrelevant at this point.
On May 22 2011 10:51 Chezinu wrote:
Now, as you all been waiting for
Too bad, I was the only one who questioned it ;/
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On May 22 2011 11:02 Chezinu wrote:
yeah, I tried to get information out of him, but that didn't happen. He was waiting to get me confirmed by Ver. I'm kind of disappointed in myself this game.
Based on what you say, you're not the Cupid.
You say you started off the game with a Lover though? When was that? A little more precise please.
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On May 22 2011 11:16 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 11:11 Fishball wrote:On May 22 2011 11:02 Chezinu wrote:
yeah, I tried to get information out of him, but that didn't happen. He was waiting to get me confirmed by Ver. I'm kind of disappointed in myself this game. Based on what you say, you're not the Cupid. You say you started off the game with a Lover though? When was that? A little more precise please. Right after I got my role.
There is actually a bunch of stuff that doesn't really add up and I have questions about, but I'm in the middle of my workout right now.
I'll post them in an hour or so.
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Alright, let's break down Chezinu's announcement again.
On May 22 2011 10:51 Chezinu wrote:The Sanity Speaks Out I have an announce I would like to make. I have been pretending to be the traitor the whole game to try and waste the mafia's only attempt at guessing who the traitor is. I started off this game with a lover and I thought to myself, "Why would mafia ever want to be a lover with Chezinu -- that is suicide" So in the beginning, I was thinking maybe my lover is innocent and the mafia were hoping that my lover would accuse me of being mafia. So, I decided to mess with the mafia and with my lover and pretend to be the traitor to see what they would do. . Well, my lover never really accused me in the thread -- maybe they wanted to live themselves. So I went extreme and guess what? Town didn't even accuse me very much nor mafia. So I was thinking maybe they are keeping me around for my destructive behavior. I ended up PMing my lover that I was the traitor before I died by a nuke coming straight after me. AND guess what happened??? I lived!!! So I decided to play along with being a traitor a little longer in hopes that the mafia would waste their guess on me. I think about now they have already used it because my lover has stopped talking to me. Because the mafia will probably protect me again tonight I thought I would reveal my lover in hopes to eliminate both of us. Sadly, I wasn't able to probe out any other mafia members from my lover as I had hoped. Now, as you all been waiting for, my lover is + Show Spoiler + I know this is crazy and I don't quite understand the mafia's decision on this either.. but that is how it happened. So hurry up and kill me or foolishness. I might have some explosive secrets to reveal.
On May 22 2011 11:16 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 11:11 Fishball wrote:On May 22 2011 11:02 Chezinu wrote:
yeah, I tried to get information out of him, but that didn't happen. He was waiting to get me confirmed by Ver. I'm kind of disappointed in myself this game. Based on what you say, you're not the Cupid. You say you started off the game with a Lover though? When was that? A little more precise please. Right after I got my role.
Let's assume what Chezinu says is true here.
Chezinu claims he was paired to Foolishness by the Cupid at the very start of the game when we received our drafted roles. Why would anyone do that? If the Cupid is Mafia, why would he pair Chezinu with one of their own? If the Cupid is Town, this scenario also seems extremely random. It's quite mind boggling.
Chezinu also says that he was able to save himself after messaging Foolishness claiming that he is the Traitor. Now this is either bad logic on his part, or a flat out lie. If Foolishness is Mafia, the Mafia would be inclined to bus the nuke away from Chezinu anyways, since his life is linked with Foolishness. Claiming to be the Traitor doesn't mean much to the Mafia; The Traitor doesn't bring extra KP to the table, and doesn't offer any power from of a role to the Mafia, besides having the ability to communicate with them.
Now this is how I see it.
If Chezinu is Town, and is paired with a Lover; If the Lover is Town, the person would have called out when the nuke was heading for Chezinu, but since this did not happen, the Lover is likely Mafia. It also makes no sense for a Town to make such a claim, unless he is the Traitor.
However, we'll have to assume the worse case scenario when we act, as if Chezinu is lying.
- If Chezinu is Mafia, and is paired with a Townie, both has to die regardless of who we hit.
- If Chezinu is Townie, and is paired with a Mafia, both has to die regardless of who we hit.
- If Chezinu is Mafia, and is not paired with anyone. If we hit him, only he will die. If we choose to hit the Lover he claims to have, his "Lover" dies, but Chezinu will not if he lied about the pairing.
- If Chezinu is Traitor, and is paired with a Townie; If we hit him, only he will die. If we choose to hit the Lover he claims to have, his "Lover" dies, but Chezinu will not if he lied about the pairing.
Which means our best option is to kill Chezinu himself. This eliminates both worst case scenarios.
I noticed Chezinu and Foolishness has posted when I am typing up this post. I'm now more inclined to believe what Chezinu has said, but still, play it solid, play it safe Town.
Like mentioned yesterday with infinitestory, if Chezinu lives through the night, whoever get's the King's lynch should execute Chezinu right away without delays. Don't bother announcing you are the King.
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