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On May 17 2011 18:33 Node wrote:
Is Chezinu always so crazy? I went through all of his posts and he has yet to contribute in the least to the game. If it was anybody else I have to think that they would be facing a lynch at this point. Flamewheel, you're welcome to say that the quality of my posts has dropped off, but you have to admit that for Chezinu "quality" is just a memory of a dream.
The only game I've played with him was Survivor Amazon, but quality posts and analysis wasn't exactly the name of the game there. I clicked through his history from TL Mafia XXX and earlier and while I didn't see anything stellar, he at least seemed to be, you know, playing.
I have to think that he's smarter than he's letting on.
I think an excellent word to describe Chezinu is Chezinu. I find it best just to accept him as he is. I'd actually say Chezinu has taught me more about being Mafia than anybody else.
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Ah, TL Mafia games sure do ramp up in the last few hours of the day. I'll be commenting after dinner.
Just a quick question though... Hey Ace, if Kavdragon is lynched who are you going to shoot instead? Let's make sure not to overlap now, eh?
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I on the other hand don't mind lynching Kavdragon. I don't agree with lynching Barundar, and I don't agree with lynching Incognito. Besides, this allows me to potentially shoot Incognito myself if it comes down to it!
Jokes aside, for now I have pretty much ignored the latter half of this day beyond cursorily glancing over posts made. Inactives are still inactive and need to contribute more, not post more. I'll look back over the thread after the first salvo of shots have been fired into the night. tnkted, Chaoser, and deconduo need to stop being inactive; Fishball and Scamp need to stop being useless.
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On May 18 2011 13:12 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2011 13:09 flamewheel wrote:
I on the other hand don't mind lynching Kavdragon. I don't agree with lynching Barundar, and I don't agree with lynching Incognito. Besides, this allows me to potentially shoot Incognito myself if it comes down to it!
Jokes aside, for now I have pretty much ignored the latter half of this day beyond cursorily glancing over posts made. Inactives are still inactive and need to contribute more, not post more. I'll look back over the thread after the first salvo of shots have been fired into the night. tnkted, Chaoser, and deconduo need to stop being inactive; Fishball and Scamp need to stop being useless. So who do you want to lynch besides Kavdragon?
Doesn't really matter, remember? I have a gun as well. I'll care about lynch targets tomorrow.
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Hey, let's all pop out of the woodworks to view what's going to happen!
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I wonder what role he had tried to take. Probably would have been best if he had said that before he died, but we all know about hindsight.
Hrm, nighttime now. I wonder if we have any medics?
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Alright Ace, now who do we shoot tonight?
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INCOGNITO (5): Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Chaoser, Barundar
GMARSHAL (1): deconduo
CHEZINU (1): Fishball
FISHBALL (1): Kurumi
MR. WIGGLES (2): Kavdragon, tnkted
DECONDUO (1): Eiii
SCAMP (1): Mr. Wiggles
KAVDRAGON (6): Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, GMarshal, Node, flamewheel
BARUNDAR (5): Radfield, bumatlarge, dreamflower, kitaman27, KillerSOS
ORIGINALNAME (1): Scamp
RADFIELD (1): OriginalName
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On May 18 2011 14:29 bumatlarge wrote:
I will carry the ring into mordor!
What will be your mode of transportation?
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You're right--there's no real reason to protect me tonight. My survivability problems comes up every other night. You know the beauty of Jack though? Am I actually going to shoot somebody, like Eiii, deconduo, GMarshal, chaoser, KillerSOS, Chezinu, Fishball, OriginalName, bumatlarge, dreamflower, or Scamp? Will I do the more sensible thing and check one of them first? Or will I protect somebody--another or myself?
If there are investigative roles though, it'd be totally chill if you wanted to check /track/watch me. Of course, with quite a few role- and alignment-altering roles out there, take what you find (off of anybody you check) with a teaspoon of salt. Because of that, it might be worth it to check somebody not so high on the "needing to be checked list". Oh, and since Ver isn't online right now:
How exactly does the Mafia XII Godfather's covering ability work? Does he choose a new person every night? Or is it permanent? And is he limited to only Mafia?
Before I go over why the people I listed above should potentially be shot or checked tonight (some not so much shot as the checked though), let's talk about who does deserve medic protection.
I agree with the posters above for the most part. Medic protection for Caller and Radfield--please don't let Radfield die night 1 as always. Besides the CPR Doctor and my own occasional medic powers, there are only three protecting roles--the medic and two variants of doctor. And it's pretty unlikely that all three, or even two of the three, were chosen. Incognito theoretically could use Medic protection, though given that he's suspicious I doubt he's going to be popped tonight. Nobody else has shown any signs of being "pro-town", so there is no need to protect them. Don't protect me, bumatlarge, Ace, Scamp (if he is indeed the inventor), or others until we have shown that we are worth protecting.
Now then, on to people who are worth popping and dusting. You'll notice that my given list is over ten long--and I'm not even including everybody in this soirée. Obviously, not all these people can be Mafia. To varying degrees though, the majority can be lumped into sometimes-overlapping "inactive" and "useless" groups. Of course, given the deplorable state of TL towns, naturally some less-than-useful townies are thrust into the mix.
- Eiii hasn't done anything yet and doesn't post anything of value--though he's obviously reading the thread. All in all this wouldn't be all too so damning, but with his latest post...
- deconduo has to go serve food to the Queen of England. As cool as that sounds (and I hope you tell us all about it when you return), his posts are beyond useless. What with the "lynch me" campaign and pretty much nothing else after that, it's worth checking or shooting him, with the latter being highly more preferred if he doesn't start talking before the night is up. Considering he's ranked relatively high on the list, it's ludicrous to say that he doesn't have a role. At the very least, if he doesn't he should tell us what he went for.
- GMarshal is dubious, though I don't think he's Mafia right now. Since he doesn't have BloodyC0bbler checking and editing his posts for him this time though, it'll become ridiculously apparent as time goes on. Not very worth checking, but if you keep second-guessing yourself as to whether or not the person[s] you actually want to check are uncheckable...
- chaoser is somebody that I'd personally skip the check on and straight up shoot. He announced his interviews had finished in thread. Since then, he's made two posts: one vote for Incognito, and one woodworks post in expressing his astonishment at the Kavdragon wagon (hey cool that's a catchy term). Time constraints aside (and he hypothetically made time to 'catch up' on the thread after he announced the completion of his interview), this isn't the Chaoser from XXXVIII. He's not being inactive; he's lurking. And all good marines kill lurkers on sight. Start contributing more before the night is over, or risk getting shot.
- KillerSOS is actually useless, from what we've seen. He's actually not worth checking or shooting right now, even if he has the most imba-awesome-gosu-leet-pro role there is. Roles don't win the game: people effectively using those roles do. KillerSOS is not a high-profile, high-impact target--quite the opposite. With only limited number of checks going around, he shouldn't be high on the list.
- Chezinu is Chezinu. He's included on this list merely for completeness' sake. WiFOM aside, considering how unreadable he is, Chezinu is somebody that would be covered by a role- or alignment-changing power. Is he worth checking? Not above the other people. Is he worth shooting? Not yet.
- Fishball is, in his own words, not pro-town. He isn't pro-Mafia though either. That's a start, right? No. Fishball plays like this pretty much every game--useless. He's worth a check, and potentially worth a shot later on in the game.
- OriginalName is placed in the same sub-section as KillerSOS. He doesn't contribute or even say anything of value, and that's why he's not high on the current list of those who deserve a check or a bullet for the same reasons I gave for KillerSOS. If he becomes a problem in the future days, put him down. As of right now, he can effectively be ignored at night.
- bumatlarge got a relatively high draft order spot, and claims he's going to do stuff. Defends Kavdragon pretty strongly early on, but only returns right after his lynch to tell us that we were being silly. Worth a check, not really a shot.
- dreamflower is pretty inactive, though from what I've read she doesn't post much more than this earlier. If her play this game is anything like her Hatter play though, the lack of posting is totally excusable. Still is worth a check, not so much a shot.
- Scamp--is he really the Inventor? Despite being pretty useless in thread, his high draft order and purported role could be gamebreaking for either side. Best not to leave the potentially biggest variable unknown.
I'm not going to list with definitives who people should check. I've just laid out the options that first came to my head. Take them as you will.
It's not really worth a response at this point, but Scamp I voted Kavdragon because I didn't believe either Incognito or Barundar to be Mafia, and from not actually bothering to carefully peruse the thread I didn't have anybody in mind of my own that was more suspicious. By all means, hold me, and everybody else who voted for Kavdragon accountable for our actions. It was obviously not a good lynch, but it served to reaffirm my belief that Mafia are playing a relatively inactive game. For the most part, I'd say that out of the actually-red right now, the majority are laying low, and one member is clandestinely causing clamor. This is why my list contains, for the most part, people who are mostly seem to be keeping quiet. It's impossible to be certain at the moment, but I'd say that checking those who lurk is the best way to catch Mafia right now.
There are fears in my mind as to what can happen this night. There are many effective one-two instagib wombo combos the Mafia can pull off if they've grabbed the right role[s]. As such, I'm not going to give them any more ideas than they might already have. I won't be posting much more for the night unless something decently obvious grabs my attention, since I'm hoping to have much more consolidated and spam-free material to work with tomorrow.
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Sigh, so many grammatical errors... Such is the byproduct of the early morning.
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I took a hit last night. Obviously, instead of shooting or checking somebody I used my veteran life.
I'm waiting on my clue now, though as Ver says "you'll have to wait on it; I'm busy".
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On May 19 2011 13:30 Ace wrote:
ooooooo my now things are getting interesting!
Incognito is still going to get lynched, but somebody screwed up. Flamewheel isn't the problem here though. Something is off between Radfield and deconduo.
I'm waiting on my clue 
Though Ver assures me it won't be anything simple, it will be something that comes from a profile... if the user has profile information. And if not, it comes from the name. Beyond that, I'm going to wait until everybody has had a chance to post. The people on my suspicious list (plus others) need to start being useful today. I can't vet myself two nights in a row, so you can bet there's a shot waiting. I don't have enough patience to check anybody.
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On May 19 2011 13:36 Ace wrote:
*nods in agreement*
I had to put my gun on hold last night because I talked to myself and said "wait, the unRadfield/Incognito duo would try and pull some slick stuff!"
and they did.
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADFIELD! WHERE ARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
Wait, you didn't shoot one of them because you thought they would try to pull something tricky? Well, it makes the game more fun I suppose.
Alright--let's figure out why there were only two shots. Obviously, Scamp was killed. I was shot. That's 2 KP for Mafia. First off: was anybody else shot? There are too many roles in this game, and I don't think that Mafia only have two bullets per night.
Next, if there is indeed a copycat, he needs to claim--considering he's the new Inventor. Considering the whole point of discussing inventions was to try to control the Inventor, if there is another one I want to know who it is, for obvious basic accountability reasons.
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On May 19 2011 13:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ohhhh, a clue. :p
Are you going to share it?
When I have had time to sufficiently mull over it. TL towns are terrible with clues and the last thing I want to do is derail the town with one more tangent. Fishball--yes, I get a clue, same as the Veteran in Caller's game.
"Something shrieked above your head and left holes in the curtains. But there was nothing else to be seen."
This example was pointing out blue_arrow.
On May 19 2011 13:43 Foolishness wrote:
if copycat is in the mafia hands, as everyone expects, they aren't going to claim
Duh. I'm saying if the copycat is town he needs to claim. If not and inventions still flow, then it's just one more piece of the puzzle that becomes known.
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Got my clue. Ver is evil.
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On May 19 2011 14:52 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 14:42 Ace wrote:
Well as King he has to lynch, so this is for sure a double lynch. Damn, just reread it. So kingmaker is basically a compulsive day vigi that can make someone shoot for him. If Journalist can make people say ##lynch: Player then that's a crazy combo.
The Politician can do the same thing as well, though we need details cleared up a bit as to how exactly a Politician buying a King's vote turns up. Best tread carefully.
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On May 19 2011 16:00 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 14:41 chaoser wrote:
For now I think we need to focus on the people we were focusing on yesterday, that being Incognito and Barundar. If it comes to it, we can ask for the double lynch and then deal with it when it comes. I'd love to hear your suspects and why, not just general finger pointing. Mafia will probably have the inventor by now. Even if they chose Thief over Copy Cat, they would most likely steal role from Scamp before killing him.
Untrue for two reasons. Assume Mafia stole Inventor using the Thief. What happens then is Scamp would show up as vanilla in the flip. Furthermore, his invention could not have been made or given to anybody--the Thief prevents the usage of the role before it is stolen at the end of the night.
Does anybody else care who Scamp gave the invention to?
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Very interesting, GMarshal. While nothing shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt, since it doesn't do us any good to endlessly bicker over things and conditions that potentially might not even exist, I'll treat your statement as true for now.
I'm hoping somebody procured a role or alignment check on somebody in this list. Logically, since Caller and I were at the top of the draft pick, obfuscating circumstances aside I'd like to think that at least one of us was checked. I currently don't pick up any Mafia signals from Caller (I do want to know what his role is though), and in light of recent events, with recent events being the attack on me and the subsequent clue, I've been able to greatly limit the number of potential murderers.
I've already stated that the clue first comes from profile information, and if that is not available, the username. Through questioning Ver, I know definitively that if it was indeed a collective Mafia shot used on me, then the clue pertains to a randomly generated member of the Mafia--any member. It just so happens that out of the list of people voting for Kavdragon, there is one match to my list of suspects generated from the clue. Naturally, there are six potential people from which to choose if I indeed the target of the collective Mafia and not one of their individualized KP roles. All I'm saying is that the overlap, while coincidental, still bolsters my confidence in who I am going to shoot tonight.
Of course, neither BloodyC0bbler nor myself professes to be the best clue analyst, and given that Ver definitely wouldn't have given me something too easy to work with, it's still a tough clue and probably isn't very direct. After mulling over everything for a decent number of hours, here's the clue.
Peyton Hillis upset Aaron Rodgers and many others to make it to the Madden 12 cover.
Given the situation right now, I will not be listing my suspects derived from the clue.
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Ah, forgot to add something to the last post. Radfield, I think you should claim your role. Through what he (Ace) has said, Ace's role should be totally known now.
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