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The only game I've played with him was Survivor Amazon, but quality posts and analysis wasn't exactly the name of the game there. I clicked through his history from TL Mafia XXX and earlier and while I didn't see anything stellar, he at least seemed to be, you know, playing. I have to think that he's smarter than he's letting on. | ||
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On May 18 2011 00:31 Kavdragon wrote: @Ace/Caller/everyone else. My strategy early game of using bad arguments was because of the lack of information to start with. I don't think that there is any point to continuing this sort of play at this point in the game, so I'll stop. Barundar had a good point: We pressured some people for the first half of the day, but it's time to consolidate targets. The time for lightly pointing fingers is over. It's time for votes to go down. On May 18 2011 03:18 Kavdragon wrote: How do you suggest that we get more information then, Ace? The way I see it, the only people generating discussion (and thus information) have been pestered by you from the start, and you haven't been helping get ANY information. What am i supposed to think? How come when Ace says basically the same thing as you, you're immediately all up in arms? Anywho, I've been thinking about deconduo. Before the roles are handed out, he talks about picking a "fun" role and not following any specific plan. Later he says that he's a vanilla townie. I'm thinking that he just didn't get a role and is hella bored because of it. I'm going to unvote him for now. | ||
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On May 18 2011 05:57 Chezinu wrote: Fine, Node if you really want to understand me, here are two short games you can read: Mini-mafia 2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105463 Mini-mafia 3 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=110026 Thank you sir. I can only look forward to whatever antics you'll no doubt get up to. On May 18 2011 07:02 bumatlarge wrote: Screw it all chaoser is scum. Im leaving my vote on and if you want to lynch scum you'll help me. He's not posting like hes blue because its PYPInsane; you dont get to be able to have that excuse. He's scum. I'd love to analyze him but all his scummy posts are discussing what he can do with his scumbuddies to win the game in one night. Actually, I agree with this. Look at how chaoser played XXXIX. From the very beginning, he was decisive, he pegged mafia, and wasn't at all afraid to put everything out there. In this game, he looks cautious and withdrawn, which is the opposite of the chaoser I know and love. Even if he didn't have time to make extensive analysis, he'd at least be willing to give us his thoughts. I don't even think he's taken a solid stance on anything this game. Just a weak attempt at "applying pressure" on GMarshal. ##Vote chaoser | ||
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I also think that it's incredibly foolish to think that you can get people to vote in the way you described just because you asked for it. That is what you're asking, right? I realize that ideally the vote rigger sets it up that way, but as you said there's no guarantee that he's both in the game and willing to follow orders. I'd be willing to go along with it if everybody else is, but I feel that without the vote rigger using his ability it's far too easy for mafia to just shift a vote or two and both lynch an innocent and dodge the DT. I am curious as to why you're making GMarshal the person who actually gets lynched. I would much rather see chaoser or Barundar die at the end of the day. | ||
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At the very least, we've got a pretty good split for the vote-checker. | ||
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On May 18 2011 16:46 Barundar wrote: I'd add suspicious votes to the list and remove node and tnkted. I now find you suspicious simply because you don't think I'm worth the alignment check. I'll freely admit that I haven't been playing particularly well and could easily be justified for a wide variety of night actions. I'm highly suspicious of chaoser and deconduo. I know damn well that they both can play better than they have been. Chaoser especially I expect more out of. Frankly, I liked chaoser more than any of the other three lynch candidates yesterday, but I didn't want to see Incognito get lynched and thought that the argument against Kav was better than the one against Barundar. I've also been thinking about infinitestory a bit. He's got a lot of posts, and while none of them seem anti-town, looking back through they rarely actually do much of anything. Jury's still out, here. Ace is, as usual, difficult to read. I don't think that he's been playing very pro-town. On the other hand, every game that I've observed of him being scum (which I believe is all of them, actually) I've seen him take a much more proactive role. He's the best candidate out there for an alignment check, IMO. | ||
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On May 19 2011 13:43 Foolishness wrote: if copycat is in the mafia hands, as everyone expects, they aren't going to claim Seeing what happened to Scamp, I wouldn't blame them if they're town and don't claim. | ||
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On May 19 2011 13:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: And guys, I'd just like to let you all know I'm king today too. :p Ain't that something. We still get the standard lynch in addition to yours, right? | ||
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On May 19 2011 14:00 infinitestory wrote: What is this supposed to mean? If you were king yesterday, you would have been forced to publicly lynch someone, and that clearly didn't happen. The first king would be chosen Night 1. And there's a different king every day. You are the Kingmaker, the power behind the throne. Every night you must send me a Private Message with a list of names to be made king. The highest person on the list not to be killed will be made king. The King will not be informed of who you are. You also can not choose any player you already made King unless you cannot fulfill your role otherwise (i,e only a few people are left whom you've all made king). You can't nominate yourself to be King either under any circumstances. The King is essentially a day vigilante who must type ##lynch player at some point during the day to kill someone. If the king's vote is bought by the politician, the politician also controls the king's lynch. Power behind the throne, neh? | ||
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On May 19 2011 14:19 Foolishness wrote: We could make it even more obvious then "vote check kit for finding mafia only". Or something. You raise a valid point but I think the copycat should remain hidden if they are town. If mafia can't get KP to go through they probably won't be able to survive long. If inventor fell into mafia's hands they will be inventing things that would only help them (i.e. here's a gun you must shoot or something). Of course your argument still applies here as well. I don't know. Well, keep in mind that the receiver of the item gets the truthful description of how it works. Presumably if the inventor was smart enough to give an invention to a town player the recipient could post how it works so that we don't have to rely on an ambiguous title. I think that we're getting off-track with this discussion, though, considering that we have no idea whether or not a) the copycat is in existence or b) whether they care if the town knows if they're red or not. | ||
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He's done nothing of consequence. He's maybe tickled Incognito a couple of times, but the majority of his posts do two things: 1) Complain. 2) Nothing. Here's his latest big ol' post. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 12:05 Foolishness wrote: I'm bored of listening to lazy plans of how blue roles are going to win us the game while people like Radfield slowly get others (scamp, deconduo) to claim their role in the thread. I almost feel like we should all just mass claim at this point to at least try to coordinate our blues instead of just hoping they do what we want while mafia probe people in the thread to figure out who to kill. At the end of the day yesterday, I just thought Incognito had a bad case of Pyrrhuloxitis and wasn't really mafia, since to me some of his arguments against Kav were lol. So I didn't change my vote off of him until the end, but I lost track of time because I was watching proleague. Shit happens. Now I'm not sure what to think anymore. At the very least, Incog's attitude does not help the town in the current situation so I will still be voting him unless new information surfaces. And frankly, I doubt anything new will come up. If the vote checker checks some list (as planned) would you have them claim the results even if they aren't damning? We all know mafia spread out votes as much as possible, so they will probably get a 1/5 people are mafia in one of the lists. Well big freaking deal since we got a 1/5 chance of randomly killing a mafia with a lynch anyways. I fail to see how vote checking is going to get us anywhere tomorrow. This game has lots of good players, mafia aren't going to be stupid and lose because of a vote check. If nobody else is going to try to do some normal, mafia analysis, we might as well just throw in the towel now. These vote checks which are going to return 1/5 are mafia aren't going to help anything until day 4 when we get a bunch more vote checks to properly nab the mafia. Game will probably be close to over by then. Ace, you are the one who said we didn't have much to talk about, and already had the max (or close to max) amount of information we could possibly get from day 1 prodding. I don't even expect you to still be reading this post. But if you want to sit around with your gun and let people like Radfield and Incognito mess up the town that's your deal. I got better things to do. It's a classic case of saying a lot while not actually saying anything. He champions analysis while doing none of his own, he shoots down the vote checker plan that nobody's been attempting for a day, he prods ace and says that he's got better things to do, but what those would be is anyone's guess. The only concrete contribution that Foolishness has had to the game is his frequent needling of Incognito. It all boils down to, "Incognito wants to win with blues but no analysis", which, granted, would be a bad thing if that was what Incognito wanted. He's constantly been saying "analysis good, do analysis", but has yet to become the change he wants to see. What raises my suspicions even more is that people are willing to say that he's worth defending (hint: he's not). People that I currently don't trust have been softly aligning themselves with Foolishness for reasons that I don't understand. For instance, Mr. Wiggles has Foolishness on his protect list here: + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 16:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ok then, here's my thoughts for tonight: Role-Checks: These are the people who, at the moment, it would be a good idea to check their role. If scum got any of the first queue spots, they're likely to have taken a strong scum role from the no-pick list. Flamewheel Scamp Caller Barundar Radfield GMarshal Alignment Checks: These are the people I find somewhat suspicious, or who it would be nice to have an alignment check on. Barundar Node Tnkted Incognito Radfield Ace Vig-Hit: Deconduo I'm thinking he's VI, maybe mafia Hero, either way he isn't helping town, and I don't want to waste a lynch on him later. Debatable. Medic list: These are the people I think ought to be protected. Either they're acting pro-town already, or have good potential to help town day 2. Caller bumatlarge Radfield Incognito Flamewheel Foolishness This is just a summary of my thoughts at the moment. Disagree? Want to add? Just cause it's night doesn't mean we need to shut up. quoth Radfield: On May 17 2011 04:59 Radfield wrote: I agree with everything Foolishness is saying. Radfield also has Foolishness on his protect list here: + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 19:19 Radfield wrote: So much for 100% eh Incog.... On the bright side, this lynch hopefully gives us oodles of information down the line, once incog and Barundars alignment flips. On another bright note, Incognito won't get targeted by mafia tonight, so in the event he is town he'll probably survive the night. Unless of course a townie shoots him, but if that's the case so be it. Mr. Wiggles, I very much disagree with your rolecheck list. There is a list of roles in this game that no townie should be caught dead with, so we want to use our rolechecks to try and ascertain alignment. Checking the people at the top of the list gives us very little information regarding their alignment. The top 6/7 all have an excellent excuse(whether legit or not) for taking an anti-town role. No one else on the list has that excuse. Anyone with a role check should be looking at whomever they think is scummy lower down on the list. If they have a scummy role(a role on the no-pick list) then they're probably mafia. I really hope someone does an alignment check on Barundar. Even setting aside my suspicions, he was assigned caller gf or cpr doc, so knowing his alignment is very important. Other players worth an alignment check: Flamewheel Infinitestory? Incognito Mr. Wiggles Chaoser dreamflower Players worth some medic protection: Radfield Bum Caller Ace - probably won't get picked off though foolishness - if town he likely has a defensive role anyways GMarshall - there are heaps of suspicion on him, so he is unlikely to get hit Scamp, as inventor, should get a skiff of medic protection Anyone else dying wouldn't be terrible at this point. I'd like to stress that flamewheel doesn't belong on any medic lists, or townie lists. He has done very little to contribute to the town this game. Besides, assuming he is telling the truth about JOAT, I'm pretty sure he can protect himself if he wants to. Inventor(Scamp) should be passing the vote-list checks either to whomever they have the strongest pro-town read on. Chaoser, despite finishing his interviews(his pre-tuesday excuse) still ended up contributing basically zero to the discussion. Simply popped in and voted Incog. Pick it up Chaoser. + Show Spoiler + Incog, you fooled me the first game I ever played. I was sure you were pro-town, but instead you dominated town, took control, and lead mafia to victory with about 5 members left over. Something flamewheel hosted... XXI maybe? + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2011 13:03 Kavdragon wrote: Also, since I won't be able to post this after my death: All newer players, please take note of the fact that Incog, Ace, and Caller all read me wrong. Vet's are not as good as anyone thinks, including themselves. The only thing you should be afraid of is their egos. ##Vote Foolishness | ||
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On May 20 2011 02:45 tnkted wrote: no, I was just going from this: I've never played a game with an inventor, but a clever player could probably use an item in different ways, beyond what it was intended for. ver, is this true? can you misuse inventor's items? Inventor At night you can invent anything you feel like. Give someone a gun with 1 bullet, give someone more bullets, a med-kit, a detective kit, a telephone or whatever else you can think of. PM me what you want to invent and what player you want to give it to. Of course if you're invention is totally game breaking I won't allow it and you have to invent something else. Be creative ^_^. You can't give yourself anything, and you must tell me how your invention works so I can PM the other player (you cannot trick them to how the invention works). In the Day post there will be a message letting everyone know what was invented, but not who it was given to. You can only invent the same thing (or something very similar) once, and each invention can only be used once by the target. Lastly, you can only give one invention to each player until the remaining alive players have all received an invention. It sure doesn't seem like there's any "room for interpretation" with inventions. Out of the five people on the Kav voting list, I'm most willing to believe that Chezinu is scum. But now I'm completely unsure about Incognito. I didn't think scum would be willing to risk choosing America, but at the same time I feel that it's extremely anti-town to force three kills in one day, especially when Chezinu might have died by Wiggles' hand, without discussing it at all in public. And if Chezinu is scum, then we've got the mother of all WIFOMs on our hands as we wonder whether or not Incog bussed him -- and because we know (provided GMarshal's not in on this) there's another scum on that list, we'll lynch blindly and waste who knows how many days. I can't take this move as being good for the town. Therefore, Incognito just got a lot more scummy to me. | ||
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I'm not getting a very positive read on Flamewheel, but I don't feel comfortable saying that he should die. He hasn't been posting enough, period, but the posts he has made are giving me a pro-town vibe. Wigggles did have a good point in that Incognito hasn't done much lately in the way of hunting scum, just calling people town, and I agree with Ace that using America the way he did was not a pro-town move. However, I think overall Incognito has had a net-positive effect on the town, but made a couple of bad decisions on the way. There are people out there far more scummy than him, IMO (*cough* Foolishness *cough*). I'm unsure why Meapak thinks that I would be the best lynch, and it's weird how he comes off a little desperate for it. (please, Wiggles, don't kill KillerSOS, lynch node! i'm begging you!) | ||
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Wiggles, if you do decide to shoot me, give me 5 minutes advance notice? I promise I'm not a politician. GMarshal, why are you so sure that I'm scum? | ||
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I'm the Copycat. Meaning that I now have the Inventor role. If you look towards the beginning of the day, I drop a couple of hints that I have the role. I'm happy to invent whatever town-oriented things you like. I have an idea that you may find useful, but first don't shoot me. | ||
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I picked Copycat because I figured that Mafia would pick Thief over Copycat, so it was likely I would get the role. Also, I was really low in the draft order, and people higher up are more likely to die first (which happened), so there was a good chance that I would get a decent role and be able to conceal it (which didn't happen). | ||
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Bus Driver Twice per game, you get to switch all actions on two players. For example, if the Bus Driver switches A and B, where A and B are players, and A is killed and B is role checked, A will be role checked and B will be killed instead. You may not bus drive yourself. If you are LSB, your action may randomly fail because physics just aren't that reliable. If you are RebirthofLegend, you can bus drive yourself. If you are tnkted, you may repeatedly bug me with questions until you get the answer you want. I'm thinking it was a bus driver -- wouldn't it have said that Incog launched the nuke at flamewheel if he was controlled by the politician? | ||
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