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On May 21 2011 10:37 Incognito wrote:
Shooting into the list is not 2/5. Its only 2/5 if Chezinu is town. If Chezinu is mafia, its 1/5, which is worse than randomly shooting into the entire player list. Considering that you're already lynching me, its ridiculous to be shooting Node too. Wake up and stop sheeping Ace/Foolishness/Caller.
Incog are you claiming mafia? If you are town you should be want more shots going into that group not less. Why is it foolish to shoot node even if we're lynching you? You should know you're town and want to hurt the mafia as much as possible.
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On May 21 2011 10:39 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 10:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2011 10:30 Incognito wrote:On May 21 2011 10:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 21 2011 10:13 Incognito wrote:On May 21 2011 05:45 Foolishness wrote:On May 21 2011 05:24 Ace wrote:On May 21 2011 05:07 Radfield wrote:On May 21 2011 04:34 Ace wrote:
@GMarshal: If we don't lynch Incognito then who from the remaining players on the list is the second Scum? We have to clear that out first. Does ANYONE else on that list appear Scummier than Incognito? If so, vote for them. I'm not trying to be a dink here, but I don't fully understand why we need to clear the list out. I understand we need to eventually, but why right away, right now? We have the information, so it can wait for us to deal with it until we're ready. Our ultimate goal is to kill the mafia, so if targeting players on the list doesn't get that done the best, then we let it lie for now. No? No one really has a anti-town read on either Caller or flame, GMarshal seems town aligned, Incog seems town to a large portion, and Node doesn't seem particularly scummy. It seems to me that waiting a night cycle and putting some investigations on those remaining 5 is a prudent course of action. If mafia want to shoot players off the list, great. Better them than us. Also, GMarshall, it's a bit ironic that you mention no one is coming to Incogs defense, because actually quite a few players are. Myself, Barundar, yourself, tnkted, dreamflower and maybe a couple others. Mind you, in my mind those are almost mostly 'lock-solid townies'. We clear it out because we know 2 out of 6 are scum. Why would we go another direction when we already know where to look? That makes no sense. Secondly a "large portion" of town hasn't claimed Incog is innocent, especially looking at the voting thread so that point is false. If you don't have an anti-town read on Caller or flame, believe GMashal and Incog are town, and that Node doesn't seem Scummy then who does that leave? Odds are even better because it's 2/5. So far Chaoser is the only one that sheds doubt upon the validity of the 2/5 (more due to mafia intervention with a framer than he doubts GMarshal). With all the nice KP roles for the mafia I find it hard to believe they would pick framer. Especially since if they wanted to hide themselves they'd be picking the GF roles instead of framer. As what Ace said before, we need to clean up the list now because the odds are better than trying to hunt in the town pool. I don't see how you can make an argument against this, especially since it's only day 2 (it's not like we got 5 days of analysis to try to pin down mafia). Anyone who tries to vote elsewhere or make analysis on other people than the 5 (6) in the list need to be looked at carefully once the list is sorted through. All you're doing at the moment is distracting the town. If we just focus on the list we can hopefully nail the 2 mafia without suffering town casualties. These paragraphs and paragraphs of analysis against myself, chaoser, KillerSOS are just cluttering up the town at the moment, and the people making these are mafia in my head because they are just trying to get the town off focus from the list. If you think I'm mafia, or chaoser is mafia, or whoever is not on the list, great. I'm all for throwing analysis around. But geez just wait until the list is cleared up and stop cluttering the thread. Summarize your suspicion in one sentence and focus on someone on the list. And before you jump on me for not doing this, I have wanted to kill Incog since yesterday, same reasons as Ace has stated, and that hasn't changed. If there still is a mafia on the list after Incog and Chez are dead I want to kill Node. Mr. analysis and scumhunting is content to go with "the odds" and chill on the sidelines. This is too funny. On May 21 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Incog's nuke also doesn't do too much to his credit. Let me say this: Killing Chezinu, like KillerSOS or other lurkers, is easy. It was an easy kill, because town was expressing suspicion of him and a desire to kill him with my king lynch. As well, he hasn't contributed much if anything to town so far, and was mostly dead weight. So, killing him doesn't take much thought to do.
That said, I don't think I'll kill Incog right now. I'd rather leave him alive, and at the mercy of the lynch.
Actually, I think you should vig me right now so that you get more information that comes out of the scramble of all the invalid ##Vote Incognito votes. Its pretty clear that you will get no information from my lynch. Its easy for mafia to jump on either side of the wagon. If you vig me, people will actually be forced to give reasons on why they are voting for the other suspects. And Ironically you want to kill KillerSOS, who you say is a easy. Why go for the easy kill? Do the right thing and kill me instead and force people to give reasons for their votes on the other suspects. Vigging you and having you flip green doesn't solve anything. All at does is make your voters hop over to Node, or KillerSOS, without the need to provide any substantial reasoning. If I were to shoot into you/Node, it would be because one of you are likely to be red. If I don't shoot into you, I'd effectively be doing house cleaning, getting rid of non-contributing, scummy looking, lurkers like KillerSOS or ON. There's already been a massive bandwagon on KillerSOS. People aren't focusing on that bandwagon too much because they are focused on lynching Incognito. Get rid of that, and suddenly they have to think about stuff. Voting Incognito is a no-brainer. Among all these "lurkers", there has to be a reason why you think one is more suspicious than the other. Incog, in the most politiest way possible I am asking you to kindly shut up. Stop being such a damn martyr. At this point you're spamming and not being helpful. This is not martyrdom. Think of it logically. Because Incognito is on the vote list, this allows people to make the policy vote, it allows people to get away with voting without contributing anything to the discussion. Town doesn't benefit from easy lynches. Town benefits from difficult lynches in which people are forced to take a position. When there is an easy position and a hard position, that just invites mafia to come and pile up on one side. When there is no clear lynch target, mafia are forced to justify.
I don't even know what this means. How is killing you a policy vote? How is killing you forcing people to justify their actions? How does killing you do anything except for telling us whether we've killed the mafia in the kavwagon or not? You should think about it logically, it doesn't give the town anything. Also one more thing. I'm not looking for an "easy" or "hard" lynch. I'm looking for a dead scum. I don't think you're scum (insane? yes scum? not yet) and from what I can hear a lot of the people in the thread share my view. I want to kill KillerSOS. Why? Because I think he's SCUM.
You're not mafia (This would be the stupidest play in the history of mafia if you were) so why should I kill you?
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On May 21 2011 10:42 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2011 10:37 Incognito wrote:
Shooting into the list is not 2/5. Its only 2/5 if Chezinu is town. If Chezinu is mafia, its 1/5, which is worse than randomly shooting into the entire player list. Considering that you're already lynching me, its ridiculous to be shooting Node too. Wake up and stop sheeping Ace/Foolishness/Caller. Incog are you claiming mafia? If you are town you should be want more shots going into that group not less. Why is it foolish to shoot node even if we're lynching you? You should know you're town and want to hurt the mafia as much as possible. False. I don't trust the list check. I think someone was framed.
Are you on meth? Man why should we kill you then? If you think someone was framed and you think Chez is mafia then why should we kill you? If someone was framed then that means there is only one mafia in that group. You think Chez is mafia QED you aren't mafia why should we kill you?
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Ok I'm absolutely done talking about Incog for now. Mr. Wiggles where are you?
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ffs -_- I hope you know what you're doing wiggles
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um ok... nice shooting wiggles...?
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Ok wiggles that looks solid. And it's not liked you killed a blue or a green 
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On May 21 2011 12:37 Ace wrote:
And I think if it's that simple then some of them are definite Scum. If KillerSOS gets lynched and doesn't flip Scum that will be the second day in a row the same thing happened.
Rather than making insinuations would you care to let everyone know who the scum are in this group?
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well that means we have two mafia, Chezinu and Incog
I'd be curious to hear Ace's master plan now.
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Ok since chez was bussed (don't see any other way for FW to die otherwise) does that mean we are back to square one on Incog? Ace are you still planning on shooting him tonight?
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I'm dreamflower yo (probably don't bear much resemblance  )
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Oh hi Chezinu. Who do you think is scum? Who do you think is town? What do you think of Incog?
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Ok I'm going to bed. Placeholder post so I know where to start reading tomorrow.
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Radfield I'm glad we're thinking along the same lines. I believe your claim and the reasoning behind it. As for incog here's my thinking. I came into this game without having read the thread so I raced through it as fast as I could. I picked some easy reads (Radfield as town and Chez as scum) but I may have missed more subtle things that would have helped me make concrete calls on the more controversial players (Ace and Incog). As I am supposed to be dreamflower she was allowed to give me her top town and top scum. Her top town was Incog with a huge level of certainty. Her top scum was Ace with an equal level of certainty. Why am I saying this? Because with Incog's last post we started talking about parts of the game I only have a rough understanding of and we started talking about dreamflower. I'm going to have to reread the earlier parts but for now dreamflower's position will be mine. Keep in mind, dreamflower is actually pretty good, in one game she played she got killed night two as a mad hatter with bombs on two mafia, in another game she picked out two mafia and vigi'd one before she got killed. With this record I'm more than willing to support her suspcions.
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On May 22 2011 02:04 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 01:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Radfield I'm glad we're thinking along the same lines. I believe your claim and the reasoning behind it. As for incog here's my thinking. I came into this game without having read the thread so I raced through it as fast as I could. I picked some easy reads (Radfield as town and Chez as scum) but I may have missed more subtle things that would have helped me make concrete calls on the more controversial players (Ace and Incog). As I am supposed to be dreamflower she was allowed to give me her top town and top scum. Her top town was Incog with a huge level of certainty. Her top scum was Ace with an equal level of certainty. Why am I saying this? Because with Incog's last post we started talking about parts of the game I only have a rough understanding of and we started talking about dreamflower. I'm going to have to reread the earlier parts but for now dreamflower's position will be mine. Keep in mind, dreamflower is actually pretty good, in one game she played she got killed night two as a mad hatter with bombs on two mafia, in another game she picked out two mafia and vigi'd one before she got killed. With this record I'm more than willing to support her suspcions. You're claiming Mad Hatter?
No I'm not I'm merely pointing out dreamflowers different acomplishments to qualify her reads on Incog and Ace.
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On May 22 2011 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 07:56 Node wrote:On May 22 2011 07:30 deconduo wrote:
If I die tonight, read my posts. Theres method to my madness, seriously.
And FOS kitaman, probably worth a lynch. I agree with the FOS. Kitaman hasn't shown himself to be on the town's side at all. Right, take the side of the guy pretending to be the village idiot. By the way, are you agreeing to protect GMarshal tonight or are you going to keep town in the dark and do your own thing like the last inventor? W
Well Kita you did pop up three minutes after someone seconded a call against you so you have been reading the thread. Mind telling us why you haven't been posting? What do you think of Ace vs Incog/Radfield? Who do you think is scum? Why? Who do you think is town? Why?
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Hey Ace! Gonna have to go with dreamflower here, she's 1/2 let's see if it's 2/2.
##Vote Ace.
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Woops sorry we kill Caller first.
##Vote Caller
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It'll be interesting to see what it does. Marker post, night guys.
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Ok so lots of stuff happening and almost all of it good for the town. Since we've been handed a scum I'll just get this out of the way real quick
##Vote tnkted
Now as for the rest of the mafia. Kita is one of them, I've been suspicious of him for a while now and the vote checks just helped confirm that. The rest of the mafia are in this pool of people.
Ace, Chaoser, Mr. Wiggles, Foolishness, or Eiii.
Out of these people I'm inclined to say the mafia is Ace, Chaoser, and Foolishness. Mr. Wiggles had an oppertunity to kill incog without much backlash when he had the king vote and he didn't. He's also played fairly townish (not screaming green like some but he's not acted overtly scummy). Eii I highly doubt is scum. He's been lynched as town for playing like this before lynching him feels like lynching KillerSOS. This leaves us with the scum team of Ace, Chaoser, and Foolishness. All of these players look really scummy. Ace is constantly tunneling Radfield. Why? Probably because he knows it's the only way mafia can kill Rad since Rad is BP. Ace also tunneled Incog to no end when Incog was a controversial person and therefore an easy target for a mafia railroad. Chaoser is a pretty easy one. Just look at a chaoser town game compared to this game and you'll see a marked difference in playstyles. Town Chaoser is helpful, does analysis, and generally contributes to a healthy town environment. Try and tell me he's done that this game. Foolishness is out of character as well. His whole exchange with Chezinu shows this. Rather than call out Chez for his blatant lie Foolishness sat back and neither confirmed nor denied it. I can't even conceive a reason why a townie wouldn't want to call out something they KNOW FOR A FACT is a lie. Also, look at town foolishness compared to this game's foolishness. Town foolishness is much like town Chaoser, contributive and helpful. This game's foolishness has hardly done a shred of analysis and is generally trying to keep a low profile.
I have some free time coming up and I plan to do a full analysis of Chaoser to prove my point. I'd also like to ask Bum or whoever did the Ace analysis to seriously go back over their own analysis and recheck their conclusions based on recent information.
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