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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 16 2011 22:15 GMT
#557
why do you keep panhandling to Flamewheel? Let him do his own thing. How are you even so sure he picked America?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2011 01:09 GMT
#592
Find 1 post - make it look like someone is scum.

Look at 5 posts by said person with "they have to be scum goggles" and find things that aren't there.

I'm more inclined to start voting off all the finger pointers. This bullshit "look I've found some posts that makes this person looks scummy because I believe this is the true intent behind them" is sick. It sucked in all the other mafia games you people played in and it's going to suck now.

So I'm going to:

1.) Push for some people to get lynched

2.) Kill one of you myself tonight

Oh wait? What's that?

Your damn right. Ace has a gun.

Balls.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2011 01:25 GMT
#595
easy there playboy. I haven't claimed anything.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2011 01:40 GMT
#600
so besides deconduo wanting to die, no one else has anything to say about Incognito telling flamewheel to nuke people along with a host of accusations already on Day 1?

Ok guess I'll just go back to sleep again. This time I'll tuck my gun under my pillow.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2011 01:47 GMT
#603
On May 17 2011 10:44 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 10:40 Ace wrote:
so besides deconduo wanting to die, no one else has anything to say about Incognito telling flamewheel to nuke people along with a host of accusations already on Day 1?

Ok guess I'll just go back to sleep again. This time I'll tuck my gun under my pillow.


I noticed it too but before that I wanted to ask. Before you said you saw something that made you unvote incognito. But then you voted him again. Want to share what it was or is it a need to know basis?


Kavdragon's posts. Seemed like more bs to me so I was deciding on which one of them I wanted to spend my next nap dreaming about.

Then a host of other people started pointing fingers so I decided to go back to the #1 finger pointer himself.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2011 02:01 GMT
#607
what are you good for?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2011 02:44 GMT
#614
one post? You know he accused like 4 people right?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2011 04:00 GMT
#627
So anything including ridiculous arguments = putting pressure on people?

lol wow I really wonder sometimes.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2011 04:10 GMT
#630
On May 17 2011 12:29 Kavdragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 10:47 Ace wrote:
On May 17 2011 10:44 chaoser wrote:
On May 17 2011 10:40 Ace wrote:
so besides deconduo wanting to die, no one else has anything to say about Incognito telling flamewheel to nuke people along with a host of accusations already on Day 1?

Ok guess I'll just go back to sleep again. This time I'll tuck my gun under my pillow.


I noticed it too but before that I wanted to ask. Before you said you saw something that made you unvote incognito. But then you voted him again. Want to share what it was or is it a need to know basis?


Kavdragon's posts. Seemed like more bs to me so I was deciding on which one of them I wanted to spend my next nap dreaming about.

Then a host of other people started pointing fingers so I decided to go back to the #1 finger pointer himself.


Um...Duh? As I've said before, it's day one, and reads are pretty sketchy because of the lack of information. I'll say it again: The best way to get information is to pressure people and look at the response. Any pushes at this point are obviously going to be pressure, not actual attempts to get someone lynched. (Well. Depending on the response...)

Look at my posting: that's pretty much all I've done, from my very first post (pressuring Node) to now, pressuring caller and Wiggles. I have a scum read on you too, but I don't trust myself to make anything close to an accurate read on you (especially since I automatically associate you with scum) so I'm leaving you alone.

In general i think that only mafia have something to fear from people applying pressure, as townies will be judged by their reactions. Incog telling pointing fingers and telling FW to nuke is exactly the sort of thing that generates discussion and information on people. For instance, if me and incog start pressuring a townie (esspecially if there's not a much of a reason to) and someone else jumps on, then you've just got your self someone who's looking awfully scummy.

This tactic has been used by skilled players to great effect so don't tell me it doesn't work.

Also, what you said about putting on scum goggles is a very real danger, but it's something that I've been accepting full knowing because again, it's not about making a real case, it's about pressure. If that requires me to purposefully misinterpret posts, then I'll do it.

Of course now that you've made me say this my pressure will be less effective...


Actually it is about a real case. Whether you're accusing a Town or Scum player anyone with a modicum of sense is going to realize you're just tunneling. Pressure is when you can get someone to contradict their actions or screw up answering a question. 3 people constantly pointing out stuff that they want to see in your posts but isn't there isn't pressure. Really, I highly doubt anyone would get scared and think that will send them to the gallows.

All you're doing is throwing more suspicion around on everyone within your vicinity and hoping for a lucky hit. Big difference between "generating discussion" and "lets see where this dart lands". You're playing darts, I'm playing Connect Four.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2011 04:21 GMT
#633
What chaoser is saying I think, is that if you go around trying to press everyone it's no longer really pressure. None of the cases are strong and you're trying to get reactions out of things that aren't a basis for reaction. So when people read the thread all they see is you throwing mass FoS around.

You know who likes to do that?

Scum.

Under the basis of "scumhunting" by pointing fingers everywhere and hoping a band wagon forms.

Checkmate.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2011 17:13 GMT
#684
On May 17 2011 19:42 Radfield wrote:
OK, sure Barundar is an excellent lynch target, but I'd much rather lynch further down the list today, and we have plenty of excellent targets lower town. An alignment check on him tonight should do the trick anyways.

Kavdragon is putting in lots of effort, and making mistakes. If anything this looks pro-town, not anti-town.

Incongito is too great a town asset to lynch off his Day 1 behavior, especially since he claims he's been out of town. (By the way, I appreciate that you ignored all my posts and then called me an invisible poster )


Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 15:07 Eiii wrote:
On May 17 2011 12:53 infinitestory wrote:
Oh, speaking of which, I'd actually like to apply some pressure myself.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 17 2011 10:31 Eiii wrote:
Oh man, decon just made himself the perfect placeholder vote candidate. Or maybe even a good lynch candidate! :D

You haven't been posting much, and you suddenly appear to simply bandwagon deconduo. Generally, placeholder votes are put on yourself, by the way; right now, it looks like you're just voting without caring who you're voting for.
The lynch is important. It's a reliable way to weed out mafia, given that people vote intelligently. What is your reason for voting deconduo? Do you believe he is mafia? (If not, who are you watching?)

Do I think decon is mafia? Probably not, after pulling a post like that. Do I think that there's a decent chance we're going to lynch mafia today if we ignore decon? Nope. Do I think that lynching someone who's either VI or a townie with apparently no role who's lost interest in the game and probably won't contribute much is better than tunneling in on one or two 'suspicious' posts from an active player or one who looks lurk-y now for whatever reason but could hold a helpful role or perk up and contribute more in the next few days? Definitely.

Look, I don't ever have much confidence in day 1 lynches. Like ace has said, it just seems like sifting through peoples' posts and emphasizing possible reasons that they *could* be scum. I don't see anything that makes me especially confident that we're on the right track today and I'm pretty clueless so far as well. At best decon is VI and we take him out of the game early and avoid lynching someone green tonight. At best-best mafia is retarded, and decon is a red zombie or something. At worst decon is for some crazy reason lying and actually holds the most useful role in the world but decided to tell us to kill him just for fun. Probably decon actually did have a specific set of roles he wanted to play and he wasn't able to pick any up, so he's not that interested in playing the game.

In terms of people I think are scummy, I think caller and chez have been posting pretty dumb things, but that's about all I've got


I think you're wrong here Eiii, lynching easy targets(like non-contributing or inactive players) only helps the mafia by giving them an easy out. We have an absolute ton of info so far, and a decent chance of killing scum today, better in my mind than any other normal game, since we basically have a 96 hour Day 1.

Easy targets who give us nothing at this point: Deconduo, KillerSOS, Fishball(hello? FIshball? Are you there? Are you playing?)

OriginalName: Tentative, Spammy, Jokey, One Liners.... even has a standard medium length contributy post which says almost nothing. Unfortunately he has been called out by several other scummy players, so he could just be an easy target.

Mr Wiggles: Did a small amount of leg-work looking at roles, Medium sized posts with minimal info, recapping, content to continue discussing plans and roles. Best of all, he makes a very long-winded post after getting called out, which is full of various themes. A good target

tknted: So far I'm undecided. Contributed a few ideas, and a bit of his own opinions which is good. Yet to weigh in on the lynch. Please post more.

Node: Decent target. Talks about the mafia over and over, what they would do, why they would do, how they would do. Then proceeds to spam it up, direct suspicion at chezinu(always a safe play). He also semi-defends Kurumi, which is good, since kurumi is an easy target to pick on from the looks of things.

There is also one other player on my list, who I think is the most likely to be scum and our best target. I would rather not pressure him/her right now though, because I want to see what they do on their own.

In the absence of talking about my last target, I think the best lynch for the moment is Mr. Wiggles. Anyone agree or disagree?


I've got problems with all of those bolded claims.

1.) Doesn't matter where we lynch right now. We have no idea about where Mafia got their spots, and if Barundar is indeed the scummiest person then he gets the lynch. No tradeoffs. Thing is he isn't scummy at all. All he did was ask for people to stop throwing out scum accusations every other post - and I agree. It will be too easy to just get a random person lynched with this much division.

2.) Effort does not equal pro-town behavior. If you make mistakes, especially blatant ones like mass accusations or using terrible arguments under the guise of generating discussion then you aren't much different than Scum trying to act like they are getting things done. If he has played in games before then this should be clear by now that doing this is not good for town.

3.) No one is too good to not lynch in this game. More so than Kavdragon, Incognito threw around accusations and even worse reasons. The vote for Killsos (omg kill sauce?!).

@flamewheel: Being silly is no excuse for getting a free pass.

Either way we've got more than enough "contributions" from enough people already. Asking any more people to contribute for now will just serve as clutter because honestly - nothing new is coming from anyone today. It's time we consolidate our votes on a few suspects, get the lynch off, and get the DT to check the list. Yo guys are wasting time with this senseless finger pointing.

Incognito is the scummiest person so far. I like how he even told everyone to "go back and read the thread", while not even pointing out what in the thread is so important it requires a re-read. Pretty much just giving orders and no follow up in an effort to look active.

Kavdragon is scummy too, but since some people like bumatlarge want to play daddy day care guess he can't be lynched yet.

'tis ok, I've got my gun though.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2011 17:56 GMT
#688
I don't know if you're on LSD and just reading whats not there but not once did I suggest playing passive, "sitting back" or "relaxing". I said we've got too much finger pointing and no new information is going to come out of all of that. I also didn't say we should rely on blues to win the game for us because - guess what - I was the one who started beating that into everyone's heads around here years ago.

Wouldn't it be silly for me to say that now?

But thats just more of you digging a hole for yourself. Keep talking. It's the last day you'll have the chance to.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2011 18:44 GMT
#690
You've got 30+ pages of discussions on plans, tons of accusations, and votes. What more do you need? Stop this "lets get more information" bullshit. You've got enough. The only people I've "pestered" are you and Incognito because both of you are bsing.

Who else have I pestered? Show me my posts where I haven't contributed while ignoring all the discussion I've generated. You say I haven't been helping to get any information?

Show me what you've gathered then. And don't give me some bullshit "this guy is scum because I can see through his posts" bs. That post Caller made against you was a decent example of how to break down what's going on. Notice he didn't come back 5 minutes later with another accusation?

So show and prove hombre. You won't have the chance to post on Day 2.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 17 2011 21:38 GMT
#705
I'm going to shoot you because well, I feel like shooting somebody. If you want to live give me a better target. I'd even shoot Wiggles just because it would make me laugh.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 18 2011 01:14 GMT
#772
On May 18 2011 09:15 flamewheel wrote:
Ah, TL Mafia games sure do ramp up in the last few hours of the day. I'll be commenting after dinner.

Just a quick question though... Hey Ace, if Kavdragon is lynched who are you going to shoot instead? Let's make sure not to overlap now, eh?


anyone that voted for Barundar. This "lets lynch Barundar" train is bogus. Incognito and Radfield are playing way too sketchy to me. But I'm going to be quiet until this lynch and see how things turn out.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 18 2011 01:18 GMT
#773
Also these "likely town" lists are also hilarious. Fake effort all around. Managing "vote lists" by Incognito's whim. Scamp and chaoser accused of lurking, when there are blatant fishy posts in front of our eyes.

Incognito, Radfield. Flip a coin.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 18 2011 03:03 GMT
#787


You're afraid of good players. You're afraid that we will actually get you lynched, so you're not taking your chances.


That is a great point. Why so timid KD?

I think we have to avoid lynching Barundar right now for sure though. Don't like those votes on him at all.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 18 2011 04:09 GMT
#807
On May 18 2011 12:59 Incognito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 12:54 Barundar wrote:
Even before I was supposedly "pressured", I haven't been trying to hide. I mean, if you look at my post times you'll see that my explanation that I was out of town actually does make sense. And like I've said before, I invite people to scrutinize me, since I know I'm town. Even if you don't like my playstyle, I'd still say that I've been the most controversial player here, even before I was supposedly "pressured". I'm just curious that you think I wasn't "active" earlier and that apparently I'm not noticed until now.

You keep talking about your playstyle and whether people like it :/. I didn't vote you for your playstyle, I voted you for your lack of reasons. You have only started doing analysis and reasons after you got a head in vote.

And from your previous observation that mafia was content having 10 lynch targets, I'd say that if I was mafia, I'd be content to sit out on the sidelines and watch someone else get lynched, no?

You seemed quite content until you actually got a head...

Actually if I was mafia, I'd have up to 6 teammates to help defend me. I probably would've never been ahead. I wouldn't need to pop up randomly and defend myself. Unless of course you want to call all my supporters mafia. I'd just take a step back and analyze the whole situation for a moment. If I am mafia, I'm the craziest most terrible mafia ever.


Not exactly true. Depending on the nature of the lynch it can or can't make sense for teammates to defend you. I don't see anything about your lynch that screams "easy to defend" for possible teammates. What do you see?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 18 2011 04:10 GMT
#809
On May 18 2011 13:03 Kavdragon wrote:
Just got home hope this isn't late. In response to Incog's comparison of this game to XXXVIII: I got lynched. The guy who I was sure was mafia wasn't Mafia. Neither were you.

Do you honestly expect me to repeat that same behavior?

Also, since I won't be able to post this after my death: All newer players, please take note of the fact that Incog, Ace, and Caller all read me wrong. Vet's are not as good as anyone thinks, including themselves. The only thing you should be afraid of is their egos.


I'm not sure if you've been paying attention but you do realize I have not voted for you right?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 18 2011 04:12 GMT
#810
On May 18 2011 13:09 flamewheel wrote:
I on the other hand don't mind lynching Kavdragon. I don't agree with lynching Barundar, and I don't agree with lynching Incognito. Besides, this allows me to potentially shoot Incognito myself if it comes down to it!

Jokes aside, for now I have pretty much ignored the latter half of this day beyond cursorily glancing over posts made. Inactives are still inactive and need to contribute more, not post more. I'll look back over the thread after the first salvo of shots have been fired into the night. tnkted, Chaoser, and deconduo need to stop being inactive; Fishball and Scamp need to stop being useless.


So who do you want to lynch besides Kavdragon?

On May 18 2011 13:06 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2011 13:03 Kavdragon wrote:
Just got home hope this isn't late. In response to Incog's comparison of this game to XXXVIII: I got lynched. The guy who I was sure was mafia wasn't Mafia. Neither were you.

Do you honestly expect me to repeat that same behavior?

Also, since I won't be able to post this after my death: All newer players, please take note of the fact that Incog, Ace, and Caller all read me wrong. Vet's are not as good as anyone thinks, including themselves. The only thing you should be afraid of is their egos.

Uhh, you're not leading in votes right now.

In any case, I think this meta behavioral analysis that people have been badgering Kavdragon with is not a solid foundation for a case. Kavdragon's posts have sounded very genuine (key word here) to me, even if they've contained some bad arguments at times.


Which is one of the reasons I just ignored the case against him. I've got my own reasons for thinking he's possible Scum but it doesn't have anything to do with his past games.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
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