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I'd like to point out that the post I made about PMing Ver for town help shouldn't clear me as town at all. It was a mistake to post that but it doesn't clear me or indict me either way.
Last game when I was mafia I PM'd Foolishness, the town coach, for help on several occasions.
From: Foolishness
Subject: Re: Town help XXXVIII
Date: 4/14/11 11:43
You're reading too much into it. BC wouldn't do something like that on purpose if DrH was mafia because he knows someone might want to read into it.
Do you find it likely that both elected officials are mafia? That's a really gutsy mafia play; having two of their prominent members run for office (and managing to get in as well). I find it extremely likely that at least one is town. Not to mention both of them think the other is mafia....don't think the mafia would do that if they had both offices.
Original Message From DropBear:
Hi, I wanted some advice.
I made a post about bloody cobbler's timing quibble in night 2 and it seems to have been ignored. Basically DocH and Marsh were the only close candidates just before midnight then there was a sudden rush onto Flamewheel. BC makes a post regarding how he wants time to be called earlier, which would effectively stop Flamewheel getting in and leave Doc and Marsh in power. He is mafia coach after all so it looked suss to me.
You know the guy better than I do, is there something behind this or am I reading too much into it? It looks to me that both of them are likely red from their posts anyway but this kind of convinced me.
Thanks!
If I am Mafia in this game I could easily have written that I PM'd Ver in an attempt to get town cred.
If you're analysing me you should do it on my behaviour and voting not on the PMing post.
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On May 15 2011 19:42 Xedat wrote:
Or is it like last night that we should not post analysis so that the mafia cannot choose someone?
Welcome 
I don't really follow the rule personally, but the general consensus has been to stay quiet at night. If you think you've found something interesting, post it just before the day post so Mafia doesn't have time to change their kill on it.
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On May 16 2011 00:09 Varpulis wrote:
@Xedat
Welcome to the game. If you'd like a quick summary:
The game began with a bandwagon lynch on Kurumi, a townie with erratic and confusing posting. Nobody had any real idea who the mafia were, but Irish_Punk13 was FoS'd by redtooth.
Saying that Redtooth FoS'd Irish isn't entirely accurate. Redtooth made a random, inexplicable accusation before the game had even started:
On May 04 2011 11:39 redtooth wrote:^ Then please keep your comments out of thread to reduce clutter. Anyways, let us proceed with the game. Hey Irish_Punk13, I have a question for you: How good does it feel to be scum?Want me to explain how I figured it out so fast? Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 11:33 Irish_Punk13 wrote:On May 04 2011 11:28 ilovejonn wrote:
chaoser and chaos13 posting within 3 minutes of each other, SUSPICIOUS! lol Glad to see you Chaos13. I'm sure I'll feel more at home in this game since I know 3-4 of the people playing. I think Jackal and Coag are in this too, so this should be a lot of fun. Obvscumtell. Please be more discrete next time. I'll put my vote on as soon as the thread gets made. 1 scum down, 5 to go.
.....and backtracked on it very quickly.
On May 05 2011 14:48 redtooth wrote:
FoS: Chaoser
Reason 1: The Irish Lynch PushHonestly, let’s be serious: the Irish argument is a joke. There really isn’t enough of a basis to keep pushing it and it has only wasted massive amounts of time that could have been spent doing other stuff. Obviously not many people have been convinced, even though the reasoning behind this is pretty depressing in and of itself. + Show Spoiler [Rest of this post, quite long] +Back to his strategy. I initially thought that it was just a prolonged Minimalist Approach, something I assumed he was doing ever since he hopped onto my RVS vote. He seemed to have dropped it after a certain point (which was fine with me since it was getting nowhere) but Irish suddenly appeared again as top suspect in a later post making it very clear that Chaoser is still actively pursuing a lynch on Irish. Since Irish can’t be bothered to defend himself (more on that later), let’s examine Chaoser’s main arguments point-by-point on his behalf (I will paraphrase for the sake of brevity). Point 1: Irish had an odd reaction to our combined presses. First off, that’s not a scumtell. When two people with Ghost icons start attacking you while acting like they know what they’re doing, you pay attention. As a matter of fact, would it not have been more odd if he didn’t react the way he did? I mean who is comfortable with two “vets” pressing you off the bat, regardless of how much support there is to those presses? I’m curious as to what a normal, expected reaction would have been. Points 2 and 3: Irish creates empty content then chainsaw defends Kurumi by attacking AO. I’ll admit, I was pretty surprised at how much traction Irish’s argument got. However, I wouldn’t call it a “chainsaw defense” as much as it is a desperate attempt to look like you’re scumhunting. Irish didn’t have many choices in this position as he was expected to “hunt scum” and produce new and interesting content. He couldn’t accuse himself (duh). On the other hand, you would have spun an accusation if he jumped on the Kurumi wagon. Besides those two, there literally is nothing to go off of up to that point. This scenario is somewhat less likely so I won’t hold Chaoser as accountable for these 2 points. Point 4: “He is wishy-washy” See above. There is a sudden expectation on him to create novel contributions to the thread and this honestly seems like a very half-hearted attempt to fulfill those expectations. And you’re right it wasn’t an EBWODP. It was an EBWOP. It’s a picky counterargument to a nitpicky argument. What difference does it make? If anything, it perfectly fits his character of noobtown. Redtooth’s Defense, Point 5: He is very uninterested in the game right now You’ve made it very clear that he’s not going to slip your grasp without a serious defense. So why hasn’t he posted one? Because he’s uninterested. Scum is way more likely to fight back til the bitter end (see KillerSOS below) rather than just semi-abandoning a game. It’s not like he’s trying to lurk through it either since his bandwagon seemed to be the biggest at one point. Now you may be saying, “Hey redtooth! This looks more like a defense of Irish than a FoS on Chaoser.” Well the problem is that either Chaoser should have recognized these or he did recognize but chose to ignore them. Since he seems to be a solid player so far, I’m leaning towards the latter and that is the scummiest action exhibited by anybody in this game so far ( essentially actively and knowingly promoting a lynch on obvtown). Everyone, consider the following questions as objectively as possible: Is it very possible that Irish is simply a noobtown? Yes Is it very possible that Irish’s “chainsaw defense” was actually just a noobtown analysis? Yes Is it very possible that Irish’s lack of defense is in his lack of interest in staying alive? Yes Is it very possible that Chaoser is tunneling, intentional or otherwise? Yes
On May 05 2011 21:42 redtooth wrote:@Chaoser - I don't see how the argument is weak or convoluted. It essentially boils down to two things: - You are pushing a lynch on Irish, an obvtown
On May 06 2011 05:41 redtooth wrote:
Irish I still think is town. Kurumi, I'll have to check again. Still leaning towards town though. Actually, where the hell did you even get that line of thought from my previous post?
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On May 16 2011 13:00 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Oroglove is my number one and redtooth is my number two.
Airblade, at no time have you responded to my arguments against you. You aren't really contributing anything at all.
Why did you try so hard to tie Kurumi and Irish together?
Why did you defend Jaminz and ilovejonn?
Why did you advocate not using blue roles?
Why did you post that everyone should analyse the people who voted for Kurumi and never do it yourself, only analysing Cthazsa who wasn't on the list?
Why did you advocate splitting up the votes?
Why did you attack Conversion?
Why did you attack Mig?
Why did you vote EternalMisfit?
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Ok while I'm waiting for AO's response I want to bring up another point about him.
Kenpachi was obviously killed due to him being a confirmed innocent. However there is another possibility, he pushed on AO on Day 4.
On May 13 2011 12:03 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote AirbladeOrange
i approve.
On May 14 2011 05:54 Kenpachi wrote:
K. i dont wan tto kill sinani anymore. hes being stacked on way too fast in the past couple of hours. i say we kill AirbladeOrange..
Post sinani206 lynch:
On May 16 2011 03:29 Kenpachi wrote:
That Summary is a bit butchered because Medics most likely exist.
Lets study the Mafia List
GGQ - Roleblocker
Amber[Light] - Goon
sinani206 - Goon
Irish_Punk13 - Goon
Now then, through my inexistent humble insight, i believe the other two mafia are well experienced players. Why? well, 1 of them is the Godfather which is GOING to be top tier in the mafia. The Goon that is left is most likely experienced because of the Mafia META.
You would never put more newbies that experienced players in the mafia due to heavy imbalance.
Our prime suspects are..
redtooth
ilovejonn
impervious
airbladeorange
hey theyre all experienced. Either redtooth or ilovejonn is going to be the godfather because i believe they are the 2 most experienced of the 4
Pressure vote on AO from me.
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On May 16 2011 17:56 Xedat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 17:53 elmizzt wrote:On May 16 2011 17:31 DropBear wrote:Ok while I'm waiting for AO's response I want to bring up another point about him. Kenpachi was obviously killed due to him being a confirmed innocent. However there is another possibility, he pushed on AO on Day 4. On May 13 2011 12:03 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote AirbladeOrange
i approve. On May 14 2011 05:54 Kenpachi wrote:
K. i dont wan tto kill sinani anymore. hes being stacked on way too fast in the past couple of hours. i say we kill AirbladeOrange.. Post sinani206 lynch: On May 16 2011 03:29 Kenpachi wrote:
That Summary is a bit butchered because Medics most likely exist.
Lets study the Mafia List
GGQ - Roleblocker
Amber[Light] - Goon
sinani206 - Goon
Irish_Punk13 - Goon
Now then, through my inexistent humble insight, i believe the other two mafia are well experienced players. Why? well, 1 of them is the Godfather which is GOING to be top tier in the mafia. The Goon that is left is most likely experienced because of the Mafia META.
You would never put more newbies that experienced players in the mafia due to heavy imbalance.
Our prime suspects are..
redtooth
ilovejonn
impervious
airbladeorange
hey theyre all experienced. Either redtooth or ilovejonn is going to be the godfather because i believe they are the 2 most experienced of the 4 Pressure vote on AO from me. What would be AO's agenda in killing off Kenpachi based on that? Revenge? I think you're reading too much into that. It was simply an easy kill to give no info, a delaying tactic by the last red because he feels no pressure from town. I also think that AO would be stupid if he was mafia and killed kenpachi because of that, AO was not on most peoples list anymore, if killing kenpachi does something it is making us focus on AO more.
It could be because AO is Mafia and he was too close to the truth.
It could also be because Mafia were trying to make AO look suspicious.
It could be that I'm reading too much into it and the only reason Kenpachi died was his innocent status 
I want a response for AO's actions before I clear him.
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On May 16 2011 20:56 Xedat wrote:
Orgolove, first thing you do is vote for ilovejon without explaining, tell us why you think he is mafia.
He has explained why he voted ilovejonn, repeatedly.
However he is basing his votes entirely off voting patterns.
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There have been only 26 posts in 12 hours. Nobody is saying anything so lets get organised. Chaoser isn't alive anymore and his list has almost run dry so we need to start thinking for ourselves, not sitting back. Mafia is content for everyone to sit back and do nothing.
- Jaminz, redtooth, AirbladeOrange, kitaman27, Mig have all disappeared. All of you need to start posting, stat.
- Jaminz, redtooth, AO, ilovejonn and orgolove have not responded to arguments against them. Get in here and explain yourselves.
kitaman27, orgolove and Impervious, give us proper analysis of ilovejonn other than just voting patterns. Some of you have analysed him previously but you need to update it. Orgolove, voting alone is not enough. Look at his behaviour as well.
redtooth, elmizzt and Forumite do Jaminz.
Xedat you seem keen to do orgolove, as does Forumite. Get to it. Jaminz you do it as well.
Chaos13, ilovejonn me have Impervious.
AO and VarpuliS do redtooth.
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On May 17 2011 03:53 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I only recall stating that Jaminz was playing differently than last game we played with him because he was doing more analysis. I felt even if he was mafia it was good that he was more active than he was last game. I don't remember defending ilovejonn.
At the time I said blues (vigilantes) should not use their roles because it was way too early to get a decent read on anyone to kill. Wasting a shot on a townie is worse than taking a small chance the vig will die at night.
I did not feel compelled to do an analysis on people who voted for Kurumi. But I still say it would be a good idea.
Splitting up votes helps hold people accountable for their actions and makes it wasier to weed out mafia who give poor reasoning for voting or just bandwagon.
I don't think I ever attacked conversion, I only said he was being too aggressive.
I thought Mig had a good chance of being mafia.
I thought there was a good chance EternalMisfit was mafia.
1. You did defend ilovejonn.
On May 06 2011 13:58 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I remember ilovejonn being mostly a lurker in the last mafia game providing no real analysis. Why is he suspicious this game when he was acting the same way last game and was town?
2.
3. Why do you not feel compelled to do analysis on who voted for Kurumi?
4. Why did you think Mig was a good chance of being Mafia? You never really gave reasons.
5. Why did you think there was a good chance of EM being mafia? You never really gave reasons.
Has anyone asked for replacement this round?
Where are you redtooth?
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2. Should be why did you say all blues and not just vigis?
On May 06 2011 07:00 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Please don't use any vigilante actions now. It's way too soon without having much to go on. These percentages don't really mean anything and anyone advocating the use of our blue roles at this point is not having the town's best interests in mind.
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On May 17 2011 08:43 kitaman27 wrote:
I agree everyone should be posting, but I dislike it when a certain people are told to analyze specific people. It hides information about their motives since they are told who to push/defend. Everyone should be analyzing who they feel is most scummy.
Ok that makes sense about not forcing specific people to analyse specific others, I was trying to get everyone talking again.
On May 17 2011 10:46 kitaman27 wrote:
-DropBear was real wish-washy. He was one of the first people to bring up sinani and pushed for his lynch day 3, but then he got cold feed on day 4. I'm also leaning town since this doesn't seem like a mafia reaction to me.
I've never been wishy-washy. I've been very decisive in attacking sinani206 up until day 4 when I was confused by ilovejonn's selfvote. The posts defending sinani206 all came after this and showed my reasoning quite clearly.
Jaminz also need to get in here and do some explaining other than how there aren't any medics, which we worked out 2 days ago.
People who have been contributing heavily today:
VarpuliS
DropBear
chaos13
kitaman27
Impervious
Xedat
Forumite
The game has kind of reset to a mini in some respects, in which the townies are running around discussing things Day 1. I feel that there is maximum 1 mafia on this list and likely none at all. Note how the big lynch targets have been completely silent.
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Alright I'm going to bed. Not enough people are talking and it disappoints me, bit up to those who are. I will try and be back before the lynch.
I looked back through ilovejonn's history and he has a strange habit of coming under suspicion often when he is town, this coupled with the fact that he was the alternative candidate to sinani206 makes feel better about him than the others. Jaminz I'm not entirely sure what to think. Imo these are the best three candidates.
Arguments for redtooth:
- Defended Irish and Amber
- Repeatedly attacked Cthazsa
- Repeatedly attacked Chaoser
- Disappeared day 3
- Is experienced enough to potentially be godfather
- Analysis by VarpuliS, someone I trust.
Arguments for orgolove
- Defended sinani206
- Only analysis has been on voting patterns, admits himself he wouldn't have caught GGQ and sinani206
- Little other contribution
- Is experienced enough to potentially be godfather
Arguments for Impervious
- Given two replacements while four others were modkilled (Yes Node and Marsh I know this isn't supposed to be a reason [/b]
- Pushed on a lynch of EM for information over sinani206
- Only real contribution is a wierd analysis of kitaman27 which doesn't really say anything
- Low post count of kevconsim and Rising_Phoenix
- On sandroba's list of doom just before he died
- analysis by chaos13, someone I trust
I was very suspicious of redtooth's attempted town control on night 1, he hasn't come out to explain himself. My vote remains on him.
I'll check the thread in the morning, if it looks like redtooth will be modkilled I will switch to Impervious.
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Ok back. I went back and looked at Rising_Phoenix's posts from day 1 before he was replaced and mutated into Impervious. It's backflip time!
His experience previous to this game consists of only one game, Newbie Mini Mafia 1 in which he was mafia. A post game analysis of his posts was provided by kitaman27. His posts were full of saying not much at all.
Here are some of his day 1 posts:
After the early Irish kerfuffle, which started before the Day 1 post:
On May 04 2011 12:56 Rising_Phoenix wrote:Who is irish_punk and why are people already voting for him? I probably missed something.
Criticism of redtooth. This is his only major attempt at discussion. His arguments seem reasonable and are all on issues that were current at the time, as opposed to his big mafia post in Newbie 1 (see the kita analysis above).
The rest of his posts are basically him saying he can't keep up.
On May 05 2011 06:00 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
I'm sitting here hoping that something interesting happen but all I see is:
*SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM*
Also lots of finger pointing without any actual evidence. I almost say vote for the spammers so at least we can have some constructive comments.
Also, the reason why my one post was unsubstantial is because I am still waiting for something to stick out. Right now all the spam looks suspicious, or at least is really annoying.
On May 05 2011 12:23 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
This thread is going so fast I'm exploding!!! Maybe around 4 am it'll slow down so I can do some post checking and post some analysis but I honestly can't keep up at this rate.
On May 06 2011 05:15 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
You know what, vote for me. I honestly can't handle so many posts and I don't have time to write something, I know I'm not contributing but I honestly thought I'd have the time to actually contribute to this but I don't. Maybe if there won't be another page of posts by the time I'm done writing this I'd be able to feel like there isn't such a huge amount of information coming in, but if you want me off I honestly don't mind right now.
Rising_Phoenix was then replaced. These posts scream bored and overwhelmed townie to me. I'm retracting my suspicion of Impervious, even though the information lynch was a bad idea.
Redtooth doesn't look like he's going to show. He's still my number one target but I'm considering changing if he's going to be modkilled anyway.
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That leaves orgolove and Jaminz as next in line and possibly this guy:
On May 18 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Good news: The thunderstorm made me grow tentacles and I have a secret role because of it.
Man I know I'm tunneling you but you still aren't contributing.
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Lol this game has completely reset.
Tomorrow we need some serious activity guys. The same couple of people are talking and everyone else is hiding
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RIP VarpuliS
kita, how the hell are you still alive? You have more experience than everyone else here put together and you ripped the scum team a new arsehole in XXXVIII
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On May 19 2011 12:18 chaos13 wrote:
Well, I've made my thoughts on jaminz clear. Where does everyone else stand on him right now?
I like what you did bloke is dodgy
Varpuli posted this in the night:
On May 18 2011 12:27 Varpulis wrote:
orgolove, we're not sheeping. We're just not making the right decisions.
ilovejonn probably needs to get lynched. We've been ignoring orgolove for too long.
I'm not sure whether to feel that this was on the right track or that he was killed for his obvious townness.
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If a miller dies, do they flip miller or just townie?
We've had a lot of townie deaths but no millers yet
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On May 20 2011 07:09 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I'm sticking with oroglove as he has been my number one lynch candidate for the past two day cycles.
Really? I make it last 1 day.
On May 15 2011 07:24 GMarshal wrote:
Vote Tally Day 4:
AirbladeOrange (0)
Kenpachi
ilovejonn (4)
DropBear
orgolove
sinani206
Varpulis
Kenpachi
ilovejonn
sinani206 (7)
Forumite
AirbladeOrange
kitaman27
Impervious
chaos13
ilovejonn
Varpulis
Mig
orgolove (1)
ilovejonn
About 4 and a half hours left in the day. Sinani206 currently leads with 7 votes, ilovejonn the runner-up with 4.
The only reference you have to orgolove is this, from Day 5:
On May 16 2011 13:00 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Oroglove is my number one and redtooth is my number two.
Why orgolove AO? You continue to say absolutely nothing. I know you're quite active from when I played with you last game.
In reference to this again. You never said why you thought Mig or EM could be mafia. Why?
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