TL Mafia XXXIX - Page 7

On May 27 2011 10:31 ilovejonn wrote:
Other people I'm not sure about, kitaman27 is a veteran player, but due to my time constraints I have not read his other games as town.

On May 27 2011 10:31 ilovejonn wrote:
What does he think about that? If he voted AO on a semi-vouch I wonder what this is to him. Also, if people think I'm scum. Would sinani (a confirmed scum) ask for a coached post analysis on a team mate? He was going to get lynched, if I was mafia and people switched to me based on the analysis, sinani still would have lost a team member. But if the analysis made people switch and it was on a townie, sinani would've stayed alive for another night AND not lose any mafia members. He was already a prime suspect, the best play for him would've been to save the mafia for at least 1 more night til he gets lynched the next day.

On May 28 2011 11:58 Mig wrote:
1) During the biggest and most hard fought lynch of the game, day 2 amber vs cth, kita voted for cth. Not only did he vote for cth but he voted late in the day when it was tied 6-6. It was extremely important for mafia to win this lynch and we already know one mafia member, GGQ, voted for cth late in an attempt to save amber. In fact GGQ's vote was just 45 min after kita's. Also consider that earlier in the day kita had said he was suspicious of amber yet he still voted for cth.

On May 09 2011 10:01 kitaman27 wrote:
Something no one has really mentioned is our day vig (assuming they exist). If he wants to consider shooting one of the two, we could kill two birds with one stone and lower the mafia kp.

On May 09 2011 10:05 sandroba wrote:
Yeah that would be excelent. Aim for Amber's head!

On May 09 2011 10:09 Mig wrote:
I agree with kita if we have a day vig they should shoot amber/cth now.

On May 09 2011 10:45 chaoser wrote:
I'm fine with a vigi shot, assuming we have day vigis, people already said it, and it hasn't happened, I doubt me asking for it is going to do much.

On May 28 2011 11:58 Mig wrote:
You might think voting for sinani on day 3 would somewhat clear him, but look at when exactly he voted. He voted for sinani when it was 7-4 in favor of EM with sandroba leading the charge to get him lynched. Kita knew that he would be under heavy suspicion after being on the wrong side of the amber lynch. So all he had to do was vote for sinani late that way A) he wouldn't be linked to voting to lynch another townie and B) it wasn't a big risk because at the time it looked like EM was going to be lynched anyway.

On May 28 2011 11:58 Mig wrote:
2) Despite what kita says the godfather IS more likely to be an experienced player. Look back through past games 9/10 times the godfather is a vet. Kita and ILJ are the only 2 vets left. It is much much more likely for kita to be gf than conversion, elmizzit, myself, db when it is all either our first or 2nd games.

On May 28 2011 11:58 Mig wrote:
3) Kita is a good experienced player who people feel is town and yet he is still alive. First time players like forumite and varpulis are being killed off while kita is still around. The forumite kill is especially telling. Forumite was campaigning non stop to have orgolove the townie lynched. Yet mafia killed forumite because at the time the only people that were considered pro town were kita and him. It makes so much more sense for mafia to kill kita who was perceived as a pro town vet than forumite who was a 1st time player campaigning hard to lynch a townie.

On May 28 2011 11:58 Mig wrote:
And now I will discuss my new points which are even more damning of kita.

4) His analysis against jaminz was bullshit and was only done to further mafia goals.

His first argument was that jaminz was playing completely different this game than in previous games. This is completely false, while jaminz was active in newbie mini mafia for one day, look at mafia XXXVIII. That game was of comparable size to this one and had a mix of vets and new players. During that game jaminz lurked as a townie for almost the entire game, very similar to how he played in this one. Kita played a big role in that game and he should know this.

On May 28 2011 11:58 Mig wrote:
Jaminz made some long, detailed, well researched, pro town posts, yet kita ignored them in his analysis.

On May 21 2011 06:43 Mig wrote:
I am going to vote for jaminz. He has contributed very little even though he has shown in previous games to have the ability to analyze and help the town (similar to amber and GGQ). And his last 2 votes were the final vote that led to a townie being lynched.

On May 21 2011 06:43 Mig wrote:
During night 5 I offered to switch last minute to impervious (the original person kita voted for and the one he claimed was most scummy) yet he doesn't try and convince me or anyone else to switch. Before kita votes he will post a small explanation for his vote but then never actively pushes for who he thinks is the scummiest. Because he knew that we were debating between lynching townies and so he wanted to distance himself and not stand out. In fact the last few days where we have only been discussing lynching townies you will see kita hardly discusses anything.

On May 21 2011 06:43 Mig wrote:
Look through his posts in mafia XXXVIII where he was town. Kita was one of the best players that game, constantly taking hard stands and fighting for the people he thought were scummy and trying to save those he thought were town.

On May 28 2011 16:09 DropBear wrote:
Ok you've sold me.

Should we talk about who we think the other one is or leave that until tomorrow?

On May 28 2011 16:36 Mig wrote:
For mafia to win they just need town to mislynch 1 time. They only need 1 of them to survive so no need for them to protect each other now.

On May 28 2011 17:36 elmizzt wrote:
The remaining mafia are kita and dropbear.

First off, i've been wanting to look away from ilj for a while. It's far too quiet for the last couple days for the AO/ilj train to be true. A sign that scum is happy with the way the situation is, and feels zero pressure to intervene. Luckily the AO lynch stirred things up a bit. Since it looks like with my vote on kita, we have a confirmed lynch for him, I won't discuss him as much, but mig's analysis of him is pretty good.

On May 28 2011 18:36 Mig wrote:
Hm well there is still like 36 hours of day left so I expect kita to at least make some effort to defend himself. I imagine he is asleep right now.

On May 28 2011 23:35 Mig wrote:
Gonna respond to some of your points kita.

1. 2 of jaminz long posts were before before you wrote up your analysis calling him the gf, yet you don't seem to take them into consideration.

On May 28 2011 23:35 Mig wrote:
3. You still haven't addressed the fact that you used that one completely non scum tell post by jaminz as a big part of your analysis against him. I expect a lot better from a veteran player than to make 3 major points and have one of them be a completely false supposed scum tell.

On May 28 2011 23:35 Mig wrote:
4. You are once again completely wrong about jaminz metagame. He was active for 1 day in a newbie mini mafia game. Do you not see how incredibly different that is compared to being active for multiple days in a row in a 30 man game with vets? And why exactly couldn't jaminz have been blue? You declared after 1 day that he was a lurking mafia when he could have easily been a lurking blue according to you.

On May 28 2011 23:35 Mig wrote:
5. The dt check of AO. I am like 90% sure that forumite did not DT check AO. Did you read the post where I gave my reasoning for this? Throughout this game there are a lot of times where you seem to skip over points that don't quite coincide with your plans instead of addressing them. You didn't even address iljs argument about the sinani coached post as well. Instead you attacked a couple of minor trivial points he made.

On May 28 2011 23:35 Mig wrote:
6. And like I tried to make as clear as possible I am not just bashing you for being wrong I am bashing you for not trying to actually win. Show me examples of you pushing hard for a lynch or pushing hard to defend someone. Or more importantly actually discussing relevant points with people to make the correct decisions. This game you post your analysis then pretty much sit back and let the rest of the town do all the real discussion. In the previous game you were wrong several times but you were actively discussing and trying to make sure the town got the right lynch. Can you show me anywhere in the game you actually tried to defend someone?

On May 28 2011 23:35 Mig wrote:
While everyone else seemed content to sit back and just hope they survived (yourself included) I put like 4 hours into my researching my post against you. I seem to be the only person left that really cares about making the correct decision and winning. I am kind of rambling here but I guess my point is yes I am town and right now I am voting for you. If I am wrong the other 2 mafia will also vote you and the town will lose. So you need to convince me to change my vote and so far you haven't given me anything that out weighs all the points I have against you. Show me clearly why I can trust you are town and show me clearly who the other mafia are.

On May 29 2011 00:04 Mig wrote:
And really you knew jaminz was blue last game from day1 last game?

Lets look at jaminz posts from mafia XXXVIII on day 1.

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I guess those 2 posts were all you needed to determine he was a lurking blue that game instead of a lurking mafia?

Here is his one and only post from day 2
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I gotta say pretty impressive that you knew he was a lurking blue from just those posts.

And you say that blues and reds lurk but so do disinterested/busy/overwhelmed townies. In fact those are probably the most common type of lurkers, especially in big games filled with new players.

I don't think I am buying your story about knowing that jaminz was a lurking blue from day1. It feels more likely to me you just made that up to try and give your argument credit. Which is just another thing that makes you look scummy in my eyes.

On May 29 2011 00:48 ilovejonn wrote:
You guys realize this is lylo right? Seeing 3 votes out of 5 on kitaman27 already before the first half of the day is very suspicious to me. One of Mig, elmizzt, Dropbear, has to be mafia. I'm willing to bank on elmizzt being the second mafia but we have to leave that discussion to another day like DB said.

Good thing it's Saturday and Sunday, I don't have work and I read your post Mig. I do agree with a lot of the points in the analysis, and with these few players left, Godfather could very well be in the hands of an experienced player. kitaman's play, despite being on the right side of a few lynches (with information as scum it is really not that hard) has been very different from how I played with him in other games, this is the most important point I'd have to agree with.

Also, the solidifying factor is elmizzt's recent post. He comes in and says kita is scum, votes him, and then pursues DB instead, turning the discussion into tomorrows lynch already. It seems to me elmizzt already knew kita was scum and is trying to draw attention away from himself and onto others already in preparation for the next lynch. They (kita and elmizzt) seem to be trying to give each other a last breath of town-cred, so that the town would mislynch on the next day. Right now however, we indeed have to vote a scum or we lose. It doesn't matter if elmizzt is bussing kita or not, since we have to vote a scum regardless, but I want to put that point out there.

On May 04 2011 14:19 kitaman27 wrote:
I agree Irish was acting pretty defensive. I'm not sure I get what red is pointing to, but at least it got a response out of him. Does anyone happen to have the link to coag's old game? Would be nice to be able to compare his playstyle.

On May 04 2011 14:30 kitaman27 wrote:


Obviously people can change up their style game to game, but it can give us an idea how certain people respond to certain situations. Like for example, if irish was town in coag's game and laughed off or ignored an accusation, it would make me more suspicious of him in this one.

On May 04 2011 23:50 kitaman27 wrote:


Huh? Why should you be worried about coming to people's defense? Only scum worry about getting connected to others. A town does not feel guilty about standing up for someone they feel is innocent.

On May 06 2011 04:30 kitaman27 wrote:
Irish_Punk13

This guy has been completely absent from the discussion after initially responding aggressively to pressure. His play so far has differed from his UG game as mafia, but that doesn't mean he hasn't changed up his playstyle in a more hostile environment. By ignoring the situation, he is digging his own grave.

On May 05 2011 12:19 kitaman27 wrote:
I just finished skimming through Irish's game as mafia. Mainly I just read his posts, rather than the entire game, but the first thing that stood out was he clearly wasn't a noob. He seemed to have a pretty good idea of what he was doing.

The main difference between that game and this one so far is his thread presence. On UG, he was one of the more active posters and played a pro-town game (enough so to draw a day one medic save). When pushing a lynch, he got pretty aggressive.

As for how he responded to pressure, it probably wasn't the best game to gauge. The scum team had a flawless victory so there really wasn't much for him to worry about. He did do a decent job of blending in though, as this was posted in post-game:





Looking back, I think his overreaction was probably overstated. He came off worried, but that alone isn't really enough to make him guilty.



Of his posts so far, this one feels the most off. I must have missed all the great posts by Kurumi. Most of them were either spam or left me pretty confused. Not sure how he gets a town read off that. Jumping on AO seems pretty convenient, but at the same time, he was apparently "joking" about a policy lynch.

I would like to hear more from him in the next 24 hours. If he doesn't handle pressure well, then it would be beneficial to try to force a slip out of him.

The other person who I would like to here more from is chaos13. After his weird guilty post about defending irish, he has posted mostly questions and one-liners.

On May 06 2011 10:48 kitaman27 wrote:


It was the previous one XXXVIII.

Not that it's going to make a difference, but I'm voting irish for never showing up to defend himself.

On May 08 2011 11:47 kitaman27 wrote:


Heh looks who's talking? You've got one post yourself this cycle. You mentioned you would post your thoughts tomorrow evening. We're still waiting.

On May 09 2011 10:01 kitaman27 wrote:
Something no one has really mentioned is our day vig (assuming they exist). If he wants to consider shooting one of the two, we could kill two birds with one stone and lower the mafia kp.

On May 11 2011 03:46 kitaman27 wrote:


lol wut? Your past history has no impact on your current alignment. This seems scummy to me.

On May 11 2011 12:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Here are my two preferred lynch candidates for today. I apologize for the amount of quotes, but I think they are necessary to support my main points.

Ilovejohn





What exactly does the "invisible poster" mean? Are you proud of the fact that you haven't stood out thus far? Seems like a good scum trait to me.



It took you two hours to read through the thread. That's why you couldn't change your vote? How convenient.







He states multiple times how he think Beneather is a lurking scum, yet conveniently changes his mind to vote for Cthsazsa when there has been no change in the Beneather situation.



The jewel of his scum posts. Everyone read this, please. He uses a dead man's read to try and confirm himself as town.



Could you point this out to me? I never found it in your posts.



Why even bring up your past history? Again, you're trying to buy town cred using bogus reasoning.

Conclusion: Scum







I had the following exchange with elm that everyone seems to want to ignore. I called him out for lurking and he acts as if that's a good thing.





Six posts in the last 30 pages. Give this guy a gold star. Oh wait, the only analysis you've provided is "lol scum, he plays sc2 mafia". Bravo.

On May 18 2011 07:19 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm going with Impervious. He pushed for lynching EM day three by saying we would have "more to gain" by lynching him. He defends sinani without providing a reasonable explanation why. I think he is the best bet for today.

On May 18 2011 08:59 kitaman27 wrote:


A statement and its converse aren't logically equivalent. What makes you want to lynch redtooth first? Is no one willing to switch over to impervious? If my vote is going to be meaningless, I'll switch over, but I think I'll wait a bit longer.

On May 17 2011 10:46 kitaman27 wrote:






Conclusions:
-Impervious and jaminz are my two remaining scum suspects at the moment. Impervious defended sinani pretty hard without providing any decent reasons besides we would get more information lynching someone else.

On May 29 2011 00:48 ilovejonn wrote:
You guys realize this is lylo right? Seeing 3 votes out of 5 on kitaman27 already before the first half of the day is very suspicious to me. One of Mig, elmizzt, Dropbear, has to be mafia. I'm willing to bank on elmizzt being the second mafia but we have to leave that discussion to another day like DB said.

Good thing it's Saturday and Sunday, I don't have work and I read your post Mig. I do agree with a lot of the points in the analysis, and with these few players left, Godfather could very well be in the hands of an experienced player. kitaman's play, despite being on the right side of a few lynches (with information as scum it is really not that hard) has been very different from how I played with him in other games, this is the most important point I'd have to agree with.

On May 29 2011 01:17 Mig wrote:
Why do you disagree with the fact that I don't think forumite checked AO. Forumite defended AO on day 1 saying he wasn't scummy. Why exactly would forumite check someone he doesn't feel is scum, instead of people he was voting for or suspicious of? Also later on he twice randomly lists chaos as green for no reason. I see absolutely no reason he wouldn't have listed both AO and chaos if he had actually checked him.

On May 29 2011 01:17 Mig wrote:
And my point is you didn't really defend him. You brought up the check but did you really argue for it? You are arguing now 50000x harder than you have all game. If you are mafia you want AO lynched so you soft defended him to buy yourself a bit of credit but you still want him lynched so that you can use ilj as your target for the next day. Mafia does not want to just reach lylo no matter what, they want to reach lylo with people they think are lynchable. If you had put 1/10th of the effort you are using now to actually defend someone this game your arguments would be a lot more believable to me.

On May 29 2011 01:17 Mig wrote:
And you dismiss the sinani coached post as just wifom really? How about the fact that mafia kp was on the line?

On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
Once again you don't actually address my points for why AO wasn't checked by forumite. Can you give me some logic for why you think forumite checked AO and what day you think he did it? Dts can post their opinions of people even if they haven't checked them you know.

On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
And lol did you really think you were adding another confirmed townie? Your posts certainly didn't show it. Your first post that day you mention that there was also a chance that AO was the gf so the check could mean nothing. Your 2nd post you say that AO and ilj are both being silent and one of them should be lynched that day. I mean come on did you really believe that AO was town? If you did why did you not try in any way whatsoever, other than quoting one post by forumite, to save him???? We had 2 full days with nothing else to do and you let the town lynch someone you thought was a checked townie with no protest. I mean come on.

On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
And wtf once again you don't address the sinani coached post points. Instead you again try and attack some smaller irrelevant point. I am looking for some logic behind these decisions kita. I don't believe mafia are just randomly doing things. They obviously put some thought into it before they coached sinani so tell me what exactly was the mafia logic behind doing it considering the points I brought up about. Does it really make more logical sense that mafia was bussing instead of really trying to save sinani?

On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
And can you explain why you haven't defended a single person this entire game, other than quoting one post from forumite? Can you explain why you didn't try to actively keep any innocents from being lynched?

On May 13 2011 11:58 kitaman27 wrote:
Current reads:

People I trust as town:
25. kitaman27 - Myself, though that's for you to decide :p
11. Kenpachi - vig, confirmed town
1. sandroba - 95% confirmed town for pushing Amber day two
26. Cthsazsa - 95% confirmed town for the tight day two lynch against Amber

Likely town
6. AirbladeOrange - irish voted for him day one so leaning town
13. Mig - Hasn't done anything this game that jumps out as a scum tell
16. Forumite - Only thing against him is the Amber lynch, otherwise looks pretty clean

On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
So basically throughout this entire game the only things I can give you any town points for are

1) calling for vig shot on day
2) GGQ calling you a lurker-but obviously this is a minor point
3) you attempt slightly to defend AO but then you ruin it by not bothering to defend him whatsoever the following day.
4) you voted sinani but on day 3, I am willing to give a small amount of credit here but I explained why people can't just assume this clears you.

So after playing for 9 days kita there is 1 clearly pro town thing you did then 3 things which are mildly pro town. From my perspective it looks like you pretty much just actively lurked this whole game without contributing anywhere close to your normal level.

On May 22 2011 22:35 chaos13 wrote:


kitaman27 - I am quite sure that he is town at this point. It is rather strange that a veteran player would still be alive at this point, but if I'm not mistaken, ilovejonn and one other (AO?) are relatively experienced as well. I had a strange feeling about him earlier, and went back to make a case against him as being scum, and I was nowhere near convinced by my own argument. His posting has been consistently pro-town.

On May 23 2011 03:45 chaos13 wrote:
Why are DropBear and kita your next suspects after orgolove?

On May 23 2011 06:29 chaos13 wrote:
I say we leave it for the usual length of time. The more time we have to discuss, the more likely we'll actually catch scum. I don't think kita is scum. Either that, or he is doing a really good job at hiding it.

On May 08 2011 00:49 redtooth wrote:
Kita is heavily leaning town (almost obvtown level now) because of his proactive behavior and because of this. The reason why I baited him was to see if he would jump on it. Like my methods or not, I'm going to be hunting scum fiercely so it'd be in their best interest to get rid of me ASAP. My admittance of having a smurf is perfect ammo to start a baseless lynch-all-liars bandwagon. Instead he just took it into account and dropped the subject. Kita, you get the redtooth seal-of-approval.

On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
I understand maybe you are getting frustrated because I seem to just dismiss anything you would view as pro town but I give logical reasoning behind all my points. So instead of attacking irrelevant details give me some logical answers to my questions.

On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
Tell my why you think forumite checked AO. Tell me why you think it is more likely the mafia bussed ilj instead of really tried to save sinani. Tell me why you didn't really try to save AO at all. I need some logical responses to believe you here.

On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
Also you still haven't posted a decent argument against ILJ. You just quoted your analysis from day 3. Can you give an up to date analysis for why he should be lynched over you?

On May 29 2011 03:54 Mig wrote:
And jonn you said it was good that this was saturday and sunday so I assume that meant you are going to be active. So come on you gotta give me something here. You have made no real analysis and have just taken a completely obvious and pointless stance that we need to be careful because it is lylo. So ask kita some questions, give specific examples of how kita is suspicious, defend yourself from his accusations. You gotta help out. Me and kita are the only 2 trying here.

On May 04 2011 12:59 ilovejonn wrote:
Apparently redtooth thinks Irish slipped cause he thought he knows 3-4 ppl playing in this game as ppl on his scum team. Just a misunderstood post imo.

On May 05 2011 12:04 ilovejonn wrote:
Told you guys I'm an invisible poster. I've made my stance before and have voted for Kurumi. I also explained why I don't think the other candidates are a better choice than Kurumi. Only reason people may think I'm inactive is because there are posts and pages flying through and my posts are probably not long enough. I would agree that some vets around are posting less than usual though. However I'm pretty lenient since it's only Day1. On that note though, I have work 11 - 9 est tmr and will only be posting after 10 pm.

On May 08 2011 04:35 ilovejonn wrote:
I am not familiar with Amber's play. But it seems to me he does seem to lurk a lot. However, based on his activity levels and the limited posts he has made, it seems to me he is definitely hiding something. But from the posts I've read, the posts are not anti-town, more like a natural defense to accusations brought against him. If you know what I mean I would not want to say more.

On May 09 2011 02:34 ilovejonn wrote:
Unvoting Beneather since he hasn't posted anything despite the pressure. Probably a modkill. Placing my vote on Cthsazsa as I still feel that I have a blue read on Amber. It is also mother's day today and this is my only chance to post right now. Have to go out now, I probably won't be back until tomorrow.

On May 10 2011 12:44 ilovejonn wrote:
Props to chaoser for his scum-hunting abilities, I'm really amazed at his confidence for going after Amber and GGQ. I'd have to agree we either had a stupid/afk medic, or this is a no medic setup. Looking at the list of players however, we had 2 day vig modkills, 1 night vig killed by the mafia, and 1 vig that hasn't claimed. With that many KP I'm leaning towards the probability that there aren't any medics. The vigi should claim early as that would prevent mafia from fake claiming that shot later on.

To people suspecting me, I'd like to remind you guys of chaoser's awesome scum-hunting abilities.



Even though he fake claimed DT, hitting Amber and GGQ with analysis alone is pretty damn pro. I know for sure I'm townie and that chaoser's read on me is correct. I might have been on the wrong lynches due to circumstances, but remember, being wrong doesn't mean being scum. I'll make sure to try my best to help us win, but for now I am going to bed.

On May 11 2011 03:17 ilovejonn wrote:
Also, to accuse me of highly likely being scum/GF because I'm a veteran is ridiculous. I have been town aligned my WHOLE career on TL mafia and I am going to say that it is the same for this game. If you expect me to be godlike like chaoser, then sorry, I am trying to improve, but that does not mean it does not allow room for me to be wrong does it?

Today's vote I am going with EM. I'm demoralized for being wrong so many times already and the only thing that is keeping me going is that chaoser was suspicious of EM as well as my own analysis of EM.

On May 12 2011 11:01 ilovejonn wrote:
Caught up. I'll say this, if EM doesn't flip red, go ahead and lynch me next day. I'll be ashamed to stay alive being wrong the whole game.

Also, conversion just voted for himself. =/

And no, I'm 20.

On May 14 2011 02:27 ilovejonn wrote:
Here guys, use my vote. Even though I'm done I'm not gonna get modkilled.

##Vote: sinani206

On May 14 2011 03:34 ilovejonn wrote:
I agree, at least killing me will provide you guys with more information. I'll do whatever town needs the most.

On May 14 2011 04:06 ilovejonn wrote:
I'm townie. Why not lynch for information? We have mislynches at disposal. And what defense do you guys possibly want from me. I've been on all the wrong lynches and have no credibility in this game any more, flipping will probably provide more than what I can say.

On May 24 2011 06:05 ilovejonn wrote:
I don't understand. How does orgolove flipping town constitute me being mafia? If you guys lynch me the next day, provided orgolove flips town, you would get ANOTHER mislynch. I've already explained why his spreadsheet is the worst way to find scum. It is all based on voting analysis. I've literally explained my reasons for each of my votes. We don't know the scum agenda, for all you know a member of the scum team could have bus'd his team mates with every vote and end up low on orgolove's spreadsheet. Look at sinani, he was low and flipped red. It just doesn't make sense putting those arbitrary points into a system when you can't account for what the mafia wants people to thiink.

On May 29 2011 00:48 ilovejonn wrote:
You guys realize this is lylo right? Seeing 3 votes out of 5 on kitaman27 already before the first half of the day is very suspicious to me. One of Mig, elmizzt, Dropbear, has to be mafia. I'm willing to bank on elmizzt being the second mafia but we have to leave that discussion to another day like DB said.

Good thing it's Saturday and Sunday, I don't have work and I read your post Mig. I do agree with a lot of the points in the analysis, and with these few players left, Godfather could very well be in the hands of an experienced player. kitaman's play, despite being on the right side of a few lynches (with information as scum it is really not that hard) has been very different from how I played with him in other games, this is the most important point I'd have to agree with.

Also, the solidifying factor is elmizzt's recent post. He comes in and says kita is scum, votes him, and then pursues DB instead, turning the discussion into tomorrows lynch already. It seems to me elmizzt already knew kita was scum and is trying to draw attention away from himself and onto others already in preparation for the next lynch. They (kita and elmizzt) seem to be trying to give each other a last breath of town-cred, so that the town would mislynch on the next day. Right now however, we indeed have to vote a scum or we lose. It doesn't matter if elmizzt is bussing kita or not, since we have to vote a scum regardless, but I want to put that point out there.

On May 08 2011 11:31 elmizzt wrote:

This is the only hard evidence I've seen so far. I'm voting beneather for now unless he says something to change my mind.

On May 08 2011 11:54 elmizzt wrote:

Make up your mind. Am I doing a "to good job blending in" or sticking out?

On May 26 2011 08:10 elmizzt wrote:

I spent about 2 hours last night poring over both their respective post histories, and I have no idea which I would prefer to lynch. Theyre both pretty equally scummy imo, and it doesn't help that their vote patterns are nearly identical. =/ I am probably just terrible at analysis

I suppose based on forumite's semi-vouch for AO, I'd say ilj would be a better target for tonight.

On May 26 2011 08:43 elmizzt wrote:
Yea, I've been keeping up. I just really don't have much to say, unfortunately.

On May 28 2011 17:36 elmizzt wrote:
The remaining mafia are kita and dropbear.

First off, i've been wanting to look away from ilj for a while. It's far too quiet for the last couple days for the AO/ilj train to be true. A sign that scum is happy with the way the situation is, and feels zero pressure to intervene. Luckily the AO lynch stirred things up a bit. Since it looks like with my vote on kita, we have a confirmed lynch for him, I won't discuss him as much, but mig's analysis of him is pretty good.

However, Dropbear, seeing the game so close to a mafia victory, has gotten ridiculously sloppy. At this point, the scum strat is to bus kita for the cred for that 1 vital mislynch.

Kita is pretty much dead after mig's post, and the zero resistance he or anyone put up. First, dropbear puts up a token defense of kita, really just milks it.


Mig smashes it, as DB had expected.

DB then builds rapport with an obvious townie, Mig:



More sucking up to build trust. He gives validation to Mig's suspicions by saying he was "going to say elmizzt as well". I'd bet that if Mig had said he wanted to shoot ilj, DB's post would read " ya, I was going to say ilj as well" :


The rest of his posts are just more pushing for Mig to solidify his suspicions. DB is waaay too overenthusiastic to just get it done. At this point in the game, where one mislynch spells the end of the game, rushing headlong into a lynch is not the best townie play.




DB's whole attitude basically reads to me like scum smelling blood and getting overzealous.

On May 29 2011 12:08 kitaman27 wrote:


Hey look, the scum are giving each other pats on the back for their analysis! How cute.



The weirdest exchange in the entire thread. I call elm out for lurking and he responds that "posting less would be sticking out". How does this make any sense whatsoever? Does nobody else find this incredibly odd?



Discredits the spreadsheets since they implicate his buddy jonn.



So you're saying you spent 2 hours yet refuse to make an opinion on anything?

Scummy, scummy, scummy. Everyone re-read this post.





Bam. Hook, line, and sinker. These are consecutive posts. He goes from "not having anything to say" to jumping right on the kita bandwagon. All I have to say is LOL.

Don't expect to hear from him again this cycle either. It's pretty obvious he is reading though. Dirty lurker.

Voting history:

Day 1: Redtooth Wrong
Day 2: Beneather Wrong
Day 3: sinani206 Correct
Day 4: sinani206 Correct
Day 5: redtooth Wrong
Day 6: orgolove Wrong
Day 7: ilovejonn Correct
Day 8: kitaman27 Wrong

Conclusion: elm is scum. It didn't take long to read through your posts. In fact, 75% of them are one liners. Lurk, lurk, lurk.

It's time for you to decide town. I've done my part. Are you going to buy into this ridiculous argument against me or lynch these obvious scum?