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Again, Chaoser conveniently drops Sandroba off the list even though Amber and Sandroba have equal votes at this point (of which chaos13's vote seems as bandwagon-ish as it can be).
Because sandroba is probably the most pro-townie player I've seen in this game. I hosted Sleeper Cell Mafia and so I've seen his scum play. He knew Ace and Jackal were mafia from day 1 and so it's a decent read on his scum play and his play in this game is not at all like his play in that game.
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On May 09 2011 04:50 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:30 chaoser wrote:Cthsazsa (4) Conversion redtooth Varpulis ilovejonn
Amber[light] (3) chaoser sandroba chaos13 We've been talking about these two all day and I think it's fair to say that at the end of the day we get the most out of lynching one of these two. That being said, people should decide on whether to vote on one or the other. Voting all willy-nilly on people that no one else is focusing on (Beneather, Forumite, redtooth, and kevconism) isn't helping anyone and just allows mafia to randomly vote and not have to deal with the consequences. What about your buddy sandroba? sandroba(3) Eternalmisfit Amber[LighT] DropBear
More useless bullshit I see. You say I'm the most scummy but then you vote sandroba based on "connection"? Why not just be like redtooth and vote for me? Yeah, I thought so.
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On May 09 2011 05:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 04:44 chaoser wrote:Again, Chaoser conveniently drops Sandroba off the list even though Amber and Sandroba have equal votes at this point (of which chaos13's vote seems as bandwagon-ish as it can be). Because sandroba is probably the most pro-townie player I've seen in this game. I hosted Sleeper Cell Mafia and so I've seen his scum play. He knew Ace and Jackal were mafia from day 1 and so it's a decent read on his scum play and his play in this game is not at all like his play in that game. I think this debate is going in circles. I have a weak suspicion on you and a strong scum-read on Sandroba. You and Sandroba both seem to have a strong scum read on Amber. Given this, in the decision on who to include and who not to include in the smaller focus set, both you and me will be biased. I would prefer to have Cthasazsa and Sandroba and you would prefer to have Cthazazsa and Amber. Given this situation, would you trust me to make the decision of a smaller focus set alone? I bet not. And that the exact same reason I cannot trust you make the decision of deciding who should be included in the smaller focus set. I am not sure of your leanings and have not seen any strong analysis showing why you have a strong town read on Sandroba. If you can convince me with such an analysis, I would gladly concede on having Sandroba removed from the focus set. But until then, since enough people are suspicious of both Amber and Sandroba, I would recommend having both of them and Cthazazsa in there.
Here's a question then, why would two mafia, since you have a weak scum read on me and a strong read on Sandroba, try their ass off to get Amber out of all people lynched. He has no useful posts (if you're going to compare his posts to sandroba, you'll see that sandroba is at least contributing and giving opinions on matters. Amber has been pretty much saying the same thing everyone else is saying, copying ideas from everyone else who has written about sandroba.) If we were mafia you think we'd BOTH stick our necks out to get AMBER out of all people lynched? It wasn't even like the Amber situation only came up after sandroba situation came up to draw pressure off amber, it happened the other way around.
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On May 09 2011 05:48 Eternalmisfit wrote: Let me recap the events of last night. You started off with a FoS on Amber which was followed by Sandroba's rather quick jump from redtooth onto Amber. At the point where I first pointed Sandroba seemed suspicious, a bandwagon seemed to be forming against Amber. Several others started stating Amber seemed a little scummy without backing it up with any analysis.
If I had not raised my suspicions on Sandroba, a similar bandwagon to the one on Kurumi would have formed on Amber. Even if Amber flipped green/blue after a lynch, it would be hard to pinpoint any scum strongly since a large number of townies would have been mixed in with the scum (like what happened with Kurumi). At this point, even if the lynch of Amber goes ahead and he flips town, it will be quite clear who all are suspicious.
As to why Mafia would want Amber dead, I (and also several others in this thread) have got a potential blue read from Amber. Getting a blue lynched would be a big victory for scum at this point since town already lost 2 blues on Night1.
As for my case against Sandroba, I have stated it before and do not see the necessity of restating it again.
You actually got the time line wrong. Aidnai started to put pressure on Amber on day 1 with a promise of a real case against him on Day 2. At this time I also said that I had suspicions on Amber. Aidnai then died after Night 1. There was talk between sandroba and redtooth at night about his rules and I think it is around this time that sandroba moves his redtooth suspicions. He states this in a post.
So as you can see, there was substantial suspicion against Amber way before sandroba was even mentioned. If mafia thought amber was blue, they'd just snipe him at night, not get him lynched. They're go for easy targets like Kenpachi or Cthsazsa. You talk about a bandwagon but there's really no bandwagon on him. 3 (now 4) people formed over two days a bandwagon does not make. If anything there's a bandwagon on Cthsazsa.
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I'll call and raise you a policy lynch. If he gets modkilled and flips green, take the auto-lynch or vigi hit. I'll do the same if he doesn't come back and eventually flips red.
I'll bring the same deal I brought to youngminii, if he flips green, I will youtube a video of me singing a popular K-Pop song. If he flips red, you have to do it. KK?
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Oh, and that's including a policy lynch.
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On May 09 2011 06:00 Varpulis wrote: @redtooth, So if you aren't right on a couple of reads you should give up and stop analyzing/making suggestions? Right.
Somewhere around page 55, Jaminz posted something along the lines of "KillerSOS could be blue" Chaoser responded with "I was hoping you wouldn't say that" That's the hint he was referring to.
Regarding the KillerSOS thing, KillerSOS gets pressured and he says "why would I want to stand out and get lynched or shot?" People call him out on it and he says "Think about what other roles don't want to be found out" I immediately post to try to drown his post out. Jaminz says "are you blue?" and I say "I was hoping you wouldn't say that..."
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Honestly it's the most protown thing to do - if you're wrong pretty often, stop being so loud.
I'mma hold you to this when I'm right =]
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On May 09 2011 06:06 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 06:02 GMarshal wrote:On May 09 2011 05:56 chaoser wrote:I'll call and raise you a policy lynch. If he gets modkilled and flips green, take the auto-lynch or vigi hit. I'll do the same if he doesn't come back and eventually flips red. I'll bring the same deal I brought to youngminii, if he flips green, I will youtube a video of me singing a popular K-Pop song. If he flips red, you have to do it. KK? Hilarious as it would be to see either of you singing K-pop, I remind you of this rule Node and I added to the OP9. Using anything other than your in-game resources as a bargaining chip in the game. "If Bob isn't red, you can lynch me" is okay, but "If Bob isn't red, I'll pay you $100" and "If Bob isn't red, I'll delete my TL account" are not. that is all, carry on citizens With that said, my offer still stands about the policy lynch since that doesn't seem to defy the rules. Will you take?
I already said yes. Shoot me at night if you want. That's how confident I am in this. Let's play for all the marbles yo.
We can even grudgematch it out
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GAH! I meant to quote, not edit, my bad. I added in: We can even grudgematch it out
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On May 09 2011 06:37 Forumite wrote: Town would back off, to avoid calling attention to a blue Mafia would back off, and rely on a safe nightkill out of the blue
Backing off from a blue is neither a Towntell or a Scumtell.
EM says that I want Amber lynched because Amber is blue and if I'm mafia I would want to lynch him.
As to why Mafia would want Amber dead, I (and also several others in this thread) have got a potential blue read from Amber.Getting a blue lynched would be a big victory for scum at this point since town already lost 2 blues on Night1.
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It's a bet between men. He offered, I accepted. What's done is done.
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On May 09 2011 06:55 Mig wrote: Maybe we should just lynch whomever wins the bet.
Either way, we can talk about the bet later after the lynch. Right now, discuss about Amber v Cthsazsa
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Ok Forumite, then why do I want amber lynched so god damn bad then? The current theory is that he's blue and that's why I want to do it but according to you that's not what mafia would do.
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Yo redtooth, I accepted your bet, where's the shake on it?
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On May 09 2011 07:43 redtooth wrote: EBWODP: BTW can you verify what I just shook for?
If Irish gets modkilled and flips greed then you admit that you're either a scum or a retarded townie and get vigi killed. If Irish doesn't get modkilled and ends up flipping red then I am an idiot townie or scum and I get vigi killed.
I'm fine with that.
I thought it was on amber? Either way, ok I'll shake on Irish. I also take him coming last minute to vote as a sign that he is mafia.
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What's done is done yo, Luffy said it. Later on Zoro supports it as well.
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Varpulis, for the bet to be pro-mafia, mafia would have had to be tunneling amber since day 1 just to get redtooth to be either shot or support mafia lynches. Think about that. You're saying that Amber is being bussed just to target redtooth.
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Forumite, are you going to change your vote to Amber?
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