TL Mafia XXXIX - Page 6

Again, Chaoser conveniently drops Sandroba off the list even though Amber and Sandroba have equal votes at this point (of which chaos13's vote seems as bandwagon-ish as it can be).

On May 09 2011 04:50 Amber[LighT] wrote:


What about your buddy sandroba?

sandroba(3)
Eternalmisfit
Amber[LighT]
DropBear

On May 09 2011 05:06 Eternalmisfit wrote:


I think this debate is going in circles. I have a weak suspicion on you and a strong scum-read on Sandroba. You and Sandroba both seem to have a strong scum read on Amber. Given this, in the decision on who to include and who not to include in the smaller focus set, both you and me will be biased. I would prefer to have Cthasazsa and Sandroba and you would prefer to have Cthazazsa and Amber.

Given this situation, would you trust me to make the decision of a smaller focus set alone? I bet not. And that the exact same reason I cannot trust you make the decision of deciding who should be included in the smaller focus set.

I am not sure of your leanings and have not seen any strong analysis showing why you have a strong town read on Sandroba. If you can convince me with such an analysis, I would gladly concede on having Sandroba removed from the focus set. But until then, since enough people are suspicious of both Amber and Sandroba, I would recommend having both of them and Cthazazsa in there.

On May 09 2011 05:48 Eternalmisfit wrote:
Let me recap the events of last night. You started off with a FoS on Amber which was followed by Sandroba's rather quick jump from redtooth onto Amber. At the point where I first pointed Sandroba seemed suspicious, a bandwagon seemed to be forming against Amber. Several others started stating Amber seemed a little scummy without backing it up with any analysis.

If I had not raised my suspicions on Sandroba, a similar bandwagon to the one on Kurumi would have formed on Amber. Even if Amber flipped green/blue after a lynch, it would be hard to pinpoint any scum strongly since a large number of townies would have been mixed in with the scum (like what happened with Kurumi). At this point, even if the lynch of Amber goes ahead and he flips town, it will be quite clear who all are suspicious.

As to why Mafia would want Amber dead, I (and also several others in this thread) have got a potential blue read from Amber. Getting a blue lynched would be a big victory for scum at this point since town already lost 2 blues on Night1.

As for my case against Sandroba, I have stated it before and do not see the necessity of restating it again.

I'll call and raise you a policy lynch. If he gets modkilled and flips green, take the auto-lynch or vigi hit. I'll do the same if he doesn't come back and eventually flips red.

On May 09 2011 06:00 Varpulis wrote:
@redtooth, So if you aren't right on a couple of reads you should give up and stop analyzing/making suggestions? Right.

Somewhere around page 55, Jaminz posted something along the lines of "KillerSOS could be blue" Chaoser responded with "I was hoping you wouldn't say that" That's the hint he was referring to.

Honestly it's the most protown thing to do - if you're wrong pretty often, stop being so loud.

On May 09 2011 06:06 redtooth wrote:
With that said, my offer still stands about the policy lynch since that doesn't seem to defy the rules. Will you take?

On May 09 2011 06:37 Forumite wrote:
Town would back off, to avoid calling attention to a blue
Mafia would back off, and rely on a safe nightkill out of the blue

Backing off from a blue is neither a Towntell or a Scumtell.

As to why Mafia would want Amber dead, I (and also several others in this thread) have got a potential blue read from Amber.Getting a blue lynched would be a big victory for scum at this point since town already lost 2 blues on Night1.

On May 09 2011 06:55 Mig wrote:
Maybe we should just lynch whomever wins the bet.

I believe that the inactive player should be disregarded as their punishment will be coming, and we need to use the lynches to lynch mafia

This poses a VERY dangerous situation where we have to deal with the votes thinned out between large numbers of suspects. That means we enter scenarios where 1-2 votes can actually make a difference.

I mean I think sandroba is pretty spot on with this post.

On May 09 2011 07:43 redtooth wrote:
EBWODP: BTW can you verify what I just shook for?

If Irish gets modkilled and flips greed then you admit that you're either a scum or a retarded townie and get vigi killed.
If Irish doesn't get modkilled and ends up flipping red then I am an idiot townie or scum and I get vigi killed.

I'm fine with that.