EPTTL Mafia XXXIX - Page 4
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On May 06 2011 12:46 redtooth wrote: Hey I'm redtooth. I told you so. Told you so what? I said I was more sure Irish was mafia than Kurumi was. Should have lynched Irish over Kurumi. Either way, it's day one. I'll rethink everything tomorrow. | ||
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On May 06 2011 12:55 redtooth wrote: That "told you so" wasn't directed exclusively at you. But I'll play along. Wasn't part of your argument that Kurumi and Irish are linked mafia? I mean one of the most incriminating things you said about Irish is that he chainsaw defended Kurumi and jumped to his rescue. I thought we pretty much established that you were fine with Kurumi lynch since he was probably the same alignment as Irish? I thought Kurumi was #2 on your lynchlist? Don't try to distance yourself now that it seems bad. No more safety plays plz. Let me reiterate once more: FoS on Chaoser for pursuing safe protown-looking lynches on obvtowns Apparently he was only obvtown to you...You can't deny that in the end, even you thought Kurumi was mafia, you even said you had to re-evaluate him. I'm not trying to distance myself, I said I would rather Irish be lynched over Kurumi. I still stand by that. Yes, the chainsaw defense falls through now but that still doesn't explain his inactivity and non-willingness to respond to questions about his statements. He's disinterested in the game? 10 bucks says he starts showing signs of life tomorrow and a lot more interest. | ||
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On May 06 2011 13:14 redtooth wrote: @Chaoser - If anything you should thank me. If you really are green, I just saved you from an obvious stacked nightkill haha. My friend, live one more round and redeem yourself. Yeah yeah -_-;;. You know that feeling where you're REALLLLLLLY sure of yourself and then it's like...lawl...I don' goofed? Yeah... | ||
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Some of those points leave no wiggle room. "No more than 4 quotes"? "All new arguments can't be linked to old arguments"? Mistakes on one part of the assessment of a player doesn't mean the rest of it isn't true. Let's instead view these as "Guidelines" and not "Hard Rule" a la Pirates of the Caribbean. To restrict people so much is damaging, especially considering the subjective nature of arguments and getting people to agree with them. That being said, can you give your thoughts on who you think is scum? You haven't been really doing that at all. Town's been doing fine so far. It's not like making a mistake day 1 mean town is fucked. We have a good atmosphere and people are taking stances and making arguments. That's better than almost all the town's I've been in where day 1 was spent discussing whether we should lynch inactives or not and then lynching an inactive player. This is definitely NOT the worst game you've ever played in. Hyperbolic statements don't help. I ain't going to write "I, chaoser, blah blah blah". I will however, proposition this: Amber[Light] has been playing lurker-ish I'll come back to the Irish issue once he's posted and responded to our questions to him. Anyway onto Amber. Amber is a vet player, and he generally posts a lot. Not just posts a lot, he also usually very active in calling people out and making FoS's on people he thinks is scummy. Except this game he hasn't. Most of his posts have been either asking or answer questions; in fact, out of his 5 total (game relevant) posts in this thread, he's pretty much only asked and answered questions in 3 of them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216644¤tpage=22#426 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216644¤tpage=22#427 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216644¤tpage=22#439 In the two posts where he actually tries to take a stance on someone (In this case Kurumi), he pretty much says the reason he's voting for kurumi is because he wants information. He never outright says that he's suspicous of kurumi, just that: Chaoser has really been digging deep into Kurumi and hasn't been letting up against other players. I almost want to see Kurumi flip to see how much we can trust his analysis. and before, he questions where the Kurumi flip will lead: Back to you Airblade... My question is do you think creating a chaoser vs/with kurumi vision is going to get us somewhere? Clearly he doesn't really support the Kurumi lynch but when questioned on if he actually believes the vote though, he responds to redtooth with: He's using a lot of diversion tactics and getting really defensive to the point where he was analyzing players that were either targeting him or easy pins for inactivity. It seems like it's more pseudo-analysis than actual content. You know, posting just to post. Which seems like a throw-away reason. For that, I ask that Amber start to post more. His excuse that he's at work and so he can't do much is nulled by the fact that he generally posts a lot anyway as can be seen in insane 1, and insane 2. He hasn't contributed much to the discussion even though he's clearly caught up to speed and has been reading the thread. This same sentiment is also applied to GGQ. He gives the advice to DropBear: There was no need for a PbP analysis here, you just needed to tell Lyter to post more and explain his vote You need to better explain your reasoning for voting Kurumi (Pretty much that he was acting like serejai aka trolling and so he's probably scum) and why you're not posting as much | ||
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The fact that you are calling out Amber for voting Kurumi is SUPER scummy because no townie has the guts to call out someone for doing something they themselves advocated VERY hard for ("60% chance flipping red" iirc). I'm calling him out on the fact that he has SHITTY reasoning for voting kurumi. And that he hasn't contributed at all. How is that scummy for me to do? I thought Kurumi was scummy for GOOD reason (The perceived chainsaw defense from Irish, his quick switch, his god awful plan that made no sense, his nonsense post) when Amber doesn't even take an actual stance on Kurumi. You can't be calling me out as scummy for asking Amber to contribute more...that's just ridiculous. | ||
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FoS? Vote? might we expect a fullblown analysis with an accusation soon? I must say I look forward to it if you do it. Amber is certainly a scummy player and I plan to push his lynch today, but I can't tell if you're serious about him from this post. Of course I'm serious? I'm saying that he 1) hasn't posted much and 2) hasn't said much of anything. I'm saying that he needs to post more or else I'm going to be going after him. That's what I'm saying. | ||
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People always say that analysis at night is BAD and yet if you look at the best people who play the game (Ace, Foolishness, Ver, Qatol) they do a lot of their analysis at night. So I really don't buy into this let's not talk for 24 hours guys. | ||
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On May 07 2011 04:34 sandroba wrote: @chaoser No, we are discussing a plan to help improve the quality of the thread. You are trying to shut it down, instead of contributing to improve it. That's suspicious yo. @redtooth I don't play this game professionally and the whole point of playing mafia for me is having fun, else I wouldn't be playing it. I can pretty much guarantee that everyone else here feels the same way. I don't know why you are assuming everyone here is not having fun. I for sure am. If people were not having fun they would not be posting here, they would just ask for sub. Contributing to improve what?!!? There's no need to improve anything. If there was a need to actually put forth guidelines you don't think previous town would have done it? There's no need to place in an artificial system when an organic one already works. I'd tell you to go PM Ver, Foolishness, Qatol, Ace, etc. about the discussion being had right now except that's going outside the game. You have no idea how ego-driven this whole issue is and looks like. | ||
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On May 07 2011 04:39 redtooth wrote: We're arguing semantics here. "Fun" to me is giggling and trolling and generally messing around. "Enjoyment" comes from enjoying the game with the primary source being the satisfaction of winning. If you go back to page 1, Node states clearly "Play to win. You have been warned." I'm not attempting to shut down your hunt of scum, just raise the quality. I'm not attempting to directly ruin your enjoyment, just trying to make sure that its enjoyable for me (who really wants to win) and for the less active (who really don't want to wade through shit). Where is the shit? Seriously? You know what shit is? Shit is spending half of day arguing about inactives. Shit is spending half of day talking about whether night should be spent doing analysis or not. Shit is spending half of day talking about the merits of suggesting blue action lists. We've had a VERY productive day. People pointed out good cases against sinani, Jackal might be onto something with Cthsazsa, Irish's case still stands, and people are starting to look at Amber. There's a shitload of GOOD ANALYSIS out there. Whether you agree it's good or not is your OPINION. It's not a FACT. What you're doing right now is shit. Go analysis someone, cause you haven't done that all game. You keep talking about it, but you haven't done any. You've been going on about me all game and I think that's more ego driven than anything else. I helped build a good town atmosphere, I don't know what you've done. | ||
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On May 07 2011 13:23 AirbladeOrange wrote: I think there's a decent chance of that between Chaoser and Redtooth, one of them is mafia. I think someone else already said that but I agree. I'm still leaning toward Chaoser being town and probably Redtooth mafia. I think the mafia are playing to this killing active veteran jackal and aidnai as well. KillerSoS I don't quite understand. He was already under a good amount of heat. Unless they are trying to make a guy like jaminz a lynch target. Sorry I haven't been posting but my internet went out at 4 this afternoon and I just got access cause I'm at the library studying for finals. They killed KillerSOS cause he let slip BIG TIME that he was blue. He said in one of his posts "Why would I want to stand out? I don't want to die" and then later he said "think about what other people besides red want to stay alive." Mafia already knew he was blue at that point I'm sure. Either way, moving on, Amber, so you're basically saying that you have 1) good scum hunting skills as shown in Insane 1 but then 2) You don't use them and you lurk when you're mafia like in Insane 2? On the Kurumi thing, you're basically saying that you bandwagoned right? While the votes were split off, it was like 13 votes on Kurumi and Irish had the next most amount of votes at 4, so there wasn't really going to be much of a chance, not at all a dangerous situation I feel like. Either way, who are your top three suspects and why? | ||
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Just putting these here before Chaoser goes on his anti-Amber campaign. I would like to stress that Chaoser is tunneling me. When did I ever tunnel you? I asked you to step up your posting and give better reasons to why you voted Kurumi. Your posts on him essentially boiled down to "I'm bandwagoning cause I'd afraid people will switch votes and get the lynch off of him" when really there was no need to, he was at 13 votes, the closest other lynch was at 4. I also asked, which you then avoided, the question of, since you showed great scum killing abilities in Insane 1 (you even admit this yourself in a post) and so you are valuable, why haven't you given good analysis yet? Also, you said that you lurked a lot in Insane 2 when you were mafia, which is what you are doing here, can you please explain your behavior. Please stop tunneling Chaoser. I'm not trying to point my FoS onto you, yet. Then you say, stop tunneling me or else I will say you're mafia? How is that logical at all? What do you think about Irish? What about sinani? | ||
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On May 08 2011 01:52 chaoser wrote: When did I ever tunnel you? I asked you to step up your posting and give better reasons to why you voted Kurumi. Your posts on him essentially boiled down to "I'm bandwagoning cause I'd afraid people will switch votes and get the lynch off of him" when really there was no need to, he was at 13 votes, the closest other lynch was at 4. I also asked, which you then avoided, the question of, since you showed great scum killing abilities in Insane 1 (you even admit this yourself in a post) and so you are valuable, why haven't you given good analysis yet? Also, you said that you lurked a lot in Insane 2 when you were mafia, which is what you are doing here, can you please explain your behavior. Then you say, stop tunneling me or else I will say you're mafia? How is that logical at all? What do you think about Irish? What about sinani? Amber has been skimping by on almost nothing and acting very scummy as can be seen in my previous post. As such, ##Vote: Amber[light] | ||
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On May 08 2011 03:35 sandroba wrote: @chaoser are you planning on posting any further analysis about Amber[Light]? I'm torn between voting him or cthsazsa right now. Yeah, for now, my vote is on him. Waiting for more posts from him at this point. | ||
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On May 08 2011 03:43 ilovejonn wrote: Seems to me beneather's wagon on Kurumi was to please the majority of the people in the case Kurumi actually flipped scum, therefore he did not vote on his only explained scum choice, ie; Cthsazsa. So you're saying beneather's vote on kurumi is affected by him hoping kurumi would flip scum but if beneather was actually scum then he'd already know that kurumi wasn't? I'm confused by this logic. How can beneather be scum if he's basing it on "in case kurumi actually flipped scum"? He would already know? | ||
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