EPTI'm voting ilovejonn. Happy to vote sinani206 as well, then elmizzt.
I'm not voting for EM unless something like a DT check comes up.
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I'm voting ilovejonn. Happy to vote sinani206 as well, then elmizzt. I'm not voting for EM unless something like a DT check comes up. | ||
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"an interesting exchange with kitaman27" is supposed to be after "here is some explanation of voting for voting Beneather". "There has been some interaction between him and EternalMisfit" should have gone in the following post regarding ilovejonn. I was writing them up at the same time. Ok I went over it again. I did misinterpret the first line. The posting of the Ver bit was a mistake. I'm not mafia sandroba. I'm a vanilla townie. | ||
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PEOPLE I'VE ACCUSED redtooth sinani206 Irish_Punk13 varpulis ilovejonn cthazsa beneather lyter jaminz orgolove chaoser sandroba GGQ elmizzt DEFENDED AirbladeOrange sandroba KillerSOS Irish_Punk13 Amber[Light] GGQ EternalMisfit Oh dear lol. That's a lot of people. Alright I'm going to shut up now. | ||
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On May 10 2011 17:28 sandroba wrote: If anyone is not convinced needs further analysis to vote for EM I will provide, but if you just look carefully at the analysis EM posted of me you can see how much bullshit it contains. I.E. I said "Amber[Light] is overly defensive" and said "Amber[Light] does not really defend anyone" and he claims this is contradictory. How is this contradictory? In the context it was said you can clearly see I refering: In the first sentence Overly defensive = himself In the second = others That's only an example of a clearly misleading analysis, you can find many in it. Can you link me to his analysis of you please? | ||
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I'm going to stick with the vote on ilovejonn. I don't even have confidence in myself anymore, but I've been looking at him since day 1. I'm not going to post again for a bit. The last thing I will say is that if EternalMisfit does flip red and everyone tries to kill me next, when I flip green, look at kitaman27 (yay I think I've accused everyone by now) and elmizzt is clear. If EM flips green, kill ilovejonn and redtooth. There is still a godfather out there and they will almost definitely be an experienced player. Rally around Sandroba. He is wrong about me and he may be about EM as well, I'm not sure, but he is definitely town. So is Cthazsa. | ||
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On May 10 2011 17:58 orgolove wrote: The biggest thing that went against you, in my view, is that you changed your vote 5 times (I actually missed one) It's not like you're unusually active compared to others too - and you really waited till the very last minute, only switching your vote to amber after chaoser fake claimed. In fact, just 10 minutes before chaoser's claim, you said you're backing Amber to the hilt.... I don't buy your claim. I know. I even before that made a massive post explaining how I thought he was a blue. This backing to the hilt post was afterwards. I understand if you don't believe me but it's true. Pretty sure I voted redtooth, then sandroba, then Cthazsa, then Amber. Which is 3 vote switches. Sandroba and Cthazsa were both for the same reason, in defence of Amber who I thought was blue. | ||
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On May 10 2011 18:04 orgolove wrote: If you really are a green, it does us no good to fall silent. Explain your thought process. Give us a reason to not vote for you. Come on man. Ok. These links show a few things, I hope I formatted them right. You are right I forgot about the switch to you. I first suspected redtooth day 1. Second post about suspecting him. First post on ilovejonn. I decided there was a link between ilovejonn and redtooth here. Comment by kita about scum reacting to my night analysis Post by redtooth shortly after kita's comment. My first questioning of redtooth's big post on reorganisation followed by this post and this post make me vote redtooth. The switch to orgolove is explained here. Chaoser then starts going after Amber. Reason for not voting for Amber is here Reason of vote switch to sandroba is here Switch to Cthsazsa is here. I tied chaoser, sandroba and Cthsazsa together as mafia. They are tied together as town. The final switch was to Amber after Chaoser's roleclaim. I fucked up the posting when I was doing the analysis on elmizzt and the post on ilovejonn v EM. I'm not sure on elmizzt anymore. | ||
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On May 10 2011 18:40 Kenpachi wrote: I believe i am the Vigilante?  Yay Kenpachi! ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif) | ||
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On May 10 2011 22:14 sandroba wrote: Another question to you about dropbear analysis on elmizzt: DropBear said he believed you to be town. In his analysis he says the connection between elmizzt and you make elmizzt suspicious. There are several other incosistencies on DB analysis. Do you think he was being intencionally misleading? What are your main suspects right now? I made a mistake including that in the elmizzt analysis. It was supposed to be in the following post on ilovejonn v EM, which immediately follows my elmizzt analysis. I was writing them up at the same time, I said it before. | ||
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On May 11 2011 00:16 Forumite wrote: Fairly certain of Chaos13, not so much for EM and DB, they could be either scum or town. _________ Chaos13 - One of the earlier to go for Amber[Light]. Slow poster with sometimes weak arguments, but probably Town. EternalMisfit - Consistently defending Amber[Light], attacking Cthsazsa, Sandroba, Chaoser and Redtooth. Very focused during day2. Stopped the attack once Amber[Light] flipped. DropBear - Hard to read, but has one strong scumtell. The slip is that there could of course be 2 roleblockers, but DropBear knows there is only one, who just died. Dude, there's only 6 mafia. There isn't going to be 2 roleblockers. Look back at old games of similar size: xxxvi, xxxv, pokemafia, all only 1 roleblocker. | ||
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On May 07 2011 03:30 aidnai wrote: FoS? Vote? might we expect a fullblown analysis with an accusation soon? I must say I look forward to it if you do it. Amber is certainly a scummy player and I plan to push his lynch today, but I can't tell if you're serious about him from this post. Wow something I just found here actually, apparently Amber questioned me about the play by play on Lyter? I missed it the first time. | ||
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On May 10 2011 23:05 sandroba wrote: Ok I looked at ilovejonn's posts and the only one that has major content is his acusation on EternalMisfit which I recommend everyone to read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216644¤tpage=42#825 Which is pretty solid. But also kind of contradictory with his option of not voting Amber, given the fact that amber was "appearing to be contruibuting" the same way EM was in his analysis. The main reason I believe ilovejonn to be town is because I believe EM to be scum. And should I and/or EM flip town, I hope you will lynch him. Look at his voting pattern as well. | ||
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On May 11 2011 00:55 Forumite wrote: You think Sandroba is Scum? No not at all, I think ilovejonn is scum, perhaps should have worded that properly. Sandroba is absolutely town. The original 3 chaoser named were ilovejonn, sinani206 and eternalmisfit. The biggest reason I'm up for debate was my big defence of EM and the introduction of elmizzt, which was foolish as it's diverted attention away from these three of them. At this point I have tied myself to EM so closely that if he flips red I'm absolutely done for next lynch. I have suspected ilovejonn and sinani206 since day1 and I'm most confident about EM being town of the three. I urge people to stick to these three candidates. | ||
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GGQ, among his short number of posts, directly accuses Redtooth and casts doubt on myself, kitaman27 and orgolove. On May 06 2011 04:04 GGQ wrote: I'm keeping my vote on Kurumi for now, but I'd also support a lynch on redtooth. He is defending Kurumi and Irish, the two most likely to get lynched today. This strikes me as scum play because a townie would be trying to get scum lynched, not trying to defend both people who are up for lynching. It's likely that all three are mafia, or perhaps that redtooth is mafia and the other two are town so he'll get town cred when either of them flips. Add in that he also is trying to discredit one of the stronger voices in this game with a whole bunch of WIFOM, and I see a pretty strong case against him. First calling out of redtooth. On May 06 2011 04:08 GGQ wrote: This post rings some bells in my head. There was no need for a PbP analysis here, you just needed to tell Lyter to post more and explain his vote. Doing a PbP in this instance feels like an attempt to gain townie cred for nothing. Here he casts doubt on me. On May 07 2011 14:06 GGQ wrote: It's late and I don't have time to catch up on the thread right now, but I was roleblocked last night. My FoS is still on redtooth for now, I'm not sure if his big rules thing makes him seem more innocent or not, I'll have to go over it more carefully tomorrow evening. Still on redtooth. On May 08 2011 10:10 GGQ wrote: Dont lynch for information, it just leads to endless wifom. If we lynch redtooth it's because we think he's scum and that's all. His day 1 posts gave me a scum read, his actions since then haven't saved him in my eyes, but haven't made him more guilty either. I'm willing to give him some more time. He posts a lot, anyways, so if he's mafia he'll give himself up. Cthazsa seems to be a lot quieter now than he was on the first day, and I can't explain why. He responded with lots of posts to jackal's pressure, but now he's gone afk because of the pressure today? Maybe just because he's now a viable lynch target? His actions seems scummy enough, but I never got that vibe from his posts. I'd like to see an analysis by someone I trust more than redtooth showing him as scum. Amber seems the scummiest to me from his posts so far, but there just aren't that many of them. Amber, if you were a dayvig and had to use your power to avoid a lynch, who would you shoot? Not sure what he's saying about redtooth here? He does attack orgolove though. On May 08 2011 11:38 GGQ wrote: And all you're doing is vaguely questioning people. Post something solid. Is this casting doubt on kita? It's kind of vague. I'd like to think this is evidence to clear me, but it isn't really solid. I'd also like to think it clears kita, redtooth and orgolove as well but I'm not so sure. | ||
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On May 11 2011 01:24 Forumite wrote: My bad. If EternalMisfit is building a case against sinani206, and both are on the list, what does that make those two? Both scum or one of each? sinani is possible scum as well. I am at this point tied to EM. I seriously hope I'm right about you man. I have accused ilovejonn and sinani. EM has accused sinani ilovejonn accused EM Who has sinani accused? kevconsim/Impervious. That's it. There's this too. On May 09 2011 11:49 sinani206 wrote: Wait what? A six person swing vote? Aren't there six mafia? Is it really feasible for the entire mafia team to be on the Cthazsa train? I'm not so sure. Surely they'd have one person off it just in case it went bad? Sinani was on kevconsim/Impervious instead. At the moment everyone is letting us fight it out regarding ilovejonn and sandroba v me and EM. This whole argument has had very little input from others so far.... only Mig and kevconsim/Impervious have weighed in at all. Sinani himself has gone quiet. Maybe I should switch to sinani206 and see who comes out to defend him... oh fuck I don't know. | ||
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On May 11 2011 01:32 Forumite wrote: @DropBear GGQ doesn´t clear either DropBear, Kitaman or orgolove, he disagrees with them all, but no strong FoS against any of them, at least I didn´t find any. . Yeah I know I said in the post is isn't solid enough. The one closest to an FoS is on me. On May 06 2011 04:08 GGQ wrote: This post rings some bells in my head. There was no need for a PbP analysis here, you just needed to tell Lyter to post more and explain his vote. Doing a PbP in this instance feels like an attempt to gain townie cred for nothing. | ||
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On May 11 2011 01:51 kitaman27 wrote: One thing I have to say is what is with these random vanilla town role claims? DropBear, someone looks at you the wrong way and you spill the beans? What's up with that? Well because I fucked up my analysis. I'm claiming to try and clear myself. On May 10 2011 16:32 DropBear wrote: I seem to have misplaced some bits in my analysis. "an interesting exchange with kitaman27" is supposed to be after "here is some explanation of voting for voting Beneather". "There has been some interaction between him and EternalMisfit" should have gone in the following post regarding ilovejonn. I was writing them up at the same time. Ok I went over it again. I did misinterpret the first line. The posting of the Ver bit was a mistake. I'm not mafia sandroba. I'm a vanilla townie. This was followed by orgolove's big data post pointing me as the number one target. Then I get a big accusation from sandroba, who is a confirmed townie. On May 10 2011 17:20 sandroba wrote: Man I can't believe this. DropBear is mafia. He says elmizzt is suspicious for interacting with EM and then says EM is town. LOL way to go DropBear. I'm saying this right now EM is mafia and so is DropBear. I'm also willing to bet that EM is Mafia goon and asked for a vig shot so we would not kill GGQ, the mafia RoleBlocker. Plus a push from orgolove. On May 10 2011 17:44 orgolove wrote: We can only lynch one at a time. Our targets converge on DropBear. Lets take care of the immediate threat first. I would imagine EM is claiming for the same reason, an accusation from sandroba who is pretty much confirmed town. | ||
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On May 11 2011 02:08 sandroba wrote: DropBear, did you read the analysis ilovejonn's made on EM? I posted a link to it some posts ago. I most certainly have. | ||
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On May 11 2011 02:29 Forumite wrote: So you are saying that it´s like this? EternalMisfit Ilovejonn Elmizzt Drop elmizzt. The first bit of my analysis of him was a complete misread lol. Leave him for later, if at all. I believe: EternalMisfit is town and one of either ilovejonn or sinani is red. It's feasible for both of them to be. I'll vote for either. | ||
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