EPTEternalmisfit
Why I think he's scum
Why I think he's scum
On May 04 2011 20:54 Eternalmisfit wrote:
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@ Redtooth - I am fairly inexperienced at mafia and this is my second mafia game ever.
On accusation of Irish and follow-up
I do not buy on the initial accusation of redtooth that Irish is scum just because he said that he was looking forward to play with 3-4 people he knew from before. That by itself is a rather weak case and does not give a scum-signal.
The strong response of Irish on chaoser's vote is slightly more scummy to me. But, what seems scummy to me was chaos13's strong defense of Irish.
The way I interpret is that both are mafia and are looking out for each other (or) chaos13 is just looking out for Irish just because they know each other from before but they do not know each other's alignment.
At this point, the evidence based on posting is rather weak for me to vote on either of them and I won't go beyond just a FoS on them.
On accusation of Irish and follow-up
I do not buy on the initial accusation of redtooth that Irish is scum just because he said that he was looking forward to play with 3-4 people he knew from before. That by itself is a rather weak case and does not give a scum-signal.
The strong response of Irish on chaoser's vote is slightly more scummy to me. But, what seems scummy to me was chaos13's strong defense of Irish.
The way I interpret is that both are mafia and are looking out for each other (or) chaos13 is just looking out for Irish just because they know each other from before but they do not know each other's alignment.
At this point, the evidence based on posting is rather weak for me to vote on either of them and I won't go beyond just a FoS on them.
This is his first post. In the very early stages of the game I think he has the right to just FOS them for now. Since he doesn't buy redtooth's accusation of him being scum it would be logical to only keep an eye on him only.
His analysis of Kurumi is a long post just for an FOS. Kind of similar to what redtooth did on chaoser. The thing that irks me the most is that he needed this long of a post for someone like Kurumi. He even included quotes he himself thinks are not worth analyzing. What is the point in that? Seems to me someone is trying to look pro-town by extending their post length. Almost anyone can see Kurumi's posts up to this point are spam/disruptive. Funny how he makes an analysis for the easiest person to finger. At this point I'm not yet certain that he is trying as a townie or just pretending to be one.
Also, I feel that his FOS post is to play it safe. He doesn't really have to take a stance and call him scum, but his long post for an FOS makes it seem like he is still contributing.
On May 05 2011 06:30 Eternalmisfit wrote:
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As I posted earlier, I am not too keen on lynching a lurker/inactive on the first day in a 30 man setup as a blue kill would hurt us quite a bit. However, if we have someone in the game who has not posted/voted till somewhat close to the deadline and the town cannot reach a consensus on a mafia lynch, I would recommend lynching the inactive person since he was going to be mod-killed anyways. That is my 2 cents on the issue but it would nice to hear thoughts from more experienced players about it.
Why would we want to lynch an inactive that is going to be mod-killed anyways? So that we can waste a lynch? This makes no sense. Also notice the last sentence. Usually newer players when they are SCUM they feel the need to get the approval or recognition of better players. There is natural sense of guilt since he knows what he said if anti-town.
On May 05 2011 06:47 Eternalmisfit wrote:
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Sacrificing 1 inactive player to hit [potentially] 0 mafia is bad.
Ignoring 1 inactive player to hit [potentially] 1 mafia is a pretty good deal.
I think you misunderstood my intent in that post. I was more so pointing towards a scenario where the town is split in 2 or 3-way on deciding who to lynch. I was wondering whether lynching an inactive would be a reasonable in that scenario or not?
In case of strong scummy behavior or a majority of town believing in someone being scum, I would be all for voting that person for lynching.
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Sacrificing 1 inactive player to hit [potentially] 0 mafia is bad.
Ignoring 1 inactive player to hit [potentially] 1 mafia is a pretty good deal.
I think you misunderstood my intent in that post. I was more so pointing towards a scenario where the town is split in 2 or 3-way on deciding who to lynch. I was wondering whether lynching an inactive would be a reasonable in that scenario or not?
In case of strong scummy behavior or a majority of town believing in someone being scum, I would be all for voting that person for lynching.
When someone notices that what he said is wrong, he covers it up and decides to change his stance to "I would totally lynch the scummiest person instead of the inactive if town says so."
On May 05 2011 07:00 Eternalmisfit wrote:
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Sandroba was quite finger-happy in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia as well where he was a DT. Now, this does not necessitate that he is town but his play-style in consistent with that game at the very least.
I am quite suspicious of Kurumi as he spammed the hell out of this thread with mostly meaningless posts. I was going to give him the benefit of doubt of him being a young kid or being not comfortable in English for his mostly incoherent posting, but he made a rather coherent analysis post as his last post of the day. Since his last post suggests that he is quite capable of making reasonable posts, his other posts seem scummy to me written in order to create confusion and derail discussion. But again, I have never been in a mafia game with him and am not sure of his mafia play habits.
I agree with AirBlade seeming anti-town. I am also for voting and lynching Kurumi if I think that he is scum (which seems probable to me at this point) but I would not vote/lynch him just because he posts horribly. This might be a lapse in judgment or scum trying to get a townie killed.
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On May 05 2011 06:46 Cthsazsa wrote:
I'll give my thoughts so far on this.
I've noticed a lot of finger-pointing going around. A good example would be of KillerSOS qucikly criticizing Rising_Pheonix's post as spam, even though all he did was give his viewpoint on the current situation?
Sandroba is very quick to accuse people as being scum.
As a few people have already said, Kurumi's posts are strange. It seemed like that at first he was trying to attack chaoser, and then started claiming him to be a good pro-townie?
AirBlade's post instantly looked like anti-town. He was suggesting that we lynch Kurumi, and then he said that even if Kurumi is a townie, it's still okay.
As I said earlier, right now all we're doing is pointing fingers and forcing people into corners to make them look suspicious. I still haven't seen a good, legitimate reason for voting off someone yet.
I'll give my thoughts so far on this.
I've noticed a lot of finger-pointing going around. A good example would be of KillerSOS qucikly criticizing Rising_Pheonix's post as spam, even though all he did was give his viewpoint on the current situation?
Sandroba is very quick to accuse people as being scum.
As a few people have already said, Kurumi's posts are strange. It seemed like that at first he was trying to attack chaoser, and then started claiming him to be a good pro-townie?
AirBlade's post instantly looked like anti-town. He was suggesting that we lynch Kurumi, and then he said that even if Kurumi is a townie, it's still okay.
As I said earlier, right now all we're doing is pointing fingers and forcing people into corners to make them look suspicious. I still haven't seen a good, legitimate reason for voting off someone yet.
Sandroba was quite finger-happy in Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia as well where he was a DT. Now, this does not necessitate that he is town but his play-style in consistent with that game at the very least.
I am quite suspicious of Kurumi as he spammed the hell out of this thread with mostly meaningless posts. I was going to give him the benefit of doubt of him being a young kid or being not comfortable in English for his mostly incoherent posting, but he made a rather coherent analysis post as his last post of the day. Since his last post suggests that he is quite capable of making reasonable posts, his other posts seem scummy to me written in order to create confusion and derail discussion. But again, I have never been in a mafia game with him and am not sure of his mafia play habits.
I agree with AirBlade seeming anti-town. I am also for voting and lynching Kurumi if I think that he is scum (which seems probable to me at this point) but I would not vote/lynch him just because he posts horribly. This might be a lapse in judgment or scum trying to get a townie killed.
FoS: AirBladeOrange
This post reeks of contradictions. He's suspicious and thinks Kurumi is probable scum. He says he's all for voting him IF he thinks he is scum (which he does), and then immediately says he won't vote for him because of his horrible posting. What? And then suddenly BAM an FOS on AirBlade which is surprisingly....dun dun dun, THE LEAST SUSPICIOUS PERSON OF PEOPLE HE FOS'd! I have trouble understanding why he needed to do an analysis on a person that he thinks has "no visible scum signs" and the least suspicious person on his list. Perhaps to seem like he contributed yet another awesome post? Starting to see a theme here? Contributing without actually contributing.
On May 05 2011 11:43 Eternalmisfit wrote:
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I am going to post my final thoughts for the night on posts till now and then head to bed.
I am going to vote for Kurumi for now based on his posting which seems rather scum-like to me (apart from his last post which was the only half-decent one). It is placeholder vote for now as there can be future developments in this thread and also I am still willing to give him benefit of doubt provided he explains his style/content of posts.
I am going to vote for Kurumi for now based on his posting which seems rather scum-like to me (apart from his last post which was the only half-decent one). It is placeholder vote for now as there can be future developments in this thread and also I am still willing to give him benefit of doubt provided he explains his style/content of posts.
Back to voting for Kurumi! I thought you wouldn't vote for him just on his horrible postings alone!
On May 05 2011 20:54 Eternalmisfit wrote:
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@redtooth
Quite a lot of the accusations against Irish are close to grasping at straws. I disagree on his defense against early chaoser/redtooth accusations being scum-tells. However, there is some scummy behavior when he tried to hop on the AO bandwagon and stated Kurumi made some good posts.
In light of one decent scum-tell and some rather weak/non-existent scum-tells from Irish, and lack of clear scum-tells from most other people, Irish makes a good candidate for a lynch.
Does that mean that I am 100% sure that he is mafia? No
This only means that he is highly probable of being mafia.
I can make a similar case against Kurumi as well. In both these cases, the two accused of being scum have shown odd behavior. On top, both of them descended into lurking after accusing AirBlade. I would have expected them to be more active after starting the case against AirBlade. At this point, I would like to see them post again and defend their posts and accusations of AirBlade. My current vote on Kurumi is to pressure him to stop his nonsense posting which is derailing the discussion, and provide an explanation for his voting.
At this point of time, I do not think anyone can be painted as completely pro-town which even includes the people providing detailed analysis since we have no concrete evidence to go-to and most discussion is based on interpretation and perceived intent of someone's post.
Also, the more the discussion is heading along in this thread, the more I feel that lynching Irish might as well be a good idea. As a lot of people in this thread have stated, Kurumi and Irish are prime candidates for their odd behavior. And then there are a few people (e.g. red) that have defended them relatively strongly. Thus, Irish makes a good lynch candidate as he has shown scum-vibes in his posts, and his flipping either red or green will allow the town to ascertain the orientation of a lot of people (redtooth's defense and chaoser's borderline tunneling).
Quite a lot of the accusations against Irish are close to grasping at straws. I disagree on his defense against early chaoser/redtooth accusations being scum-tells. However, there is some scummy behavior when he tried to hop on the AO bandwagon and stated Kurumi made some good posts.
In light of one decent scum-tell and some rather weak/non-existent scum-tells from Irish, and lack of clear scum-tells from most other people, Irish makes a good candidate for a lynch.
Does that mean that I am 100% sure that he is mafia? No
This only means that he is highly probable of being mafia.
I can make a similar case against Kurumi as well. In both these cases, the two accused of being scum have shown odd behavior. On top, both of them descended into lurking after accusing AirBlade. I would have expected them to be more active after starting the case against AirBlade. At this point, I would like to see them post again and defend their posts and accusations of AirBlade. My current vote on Kurumi is to pressure him to stop his nonsense posting which is derailing the discussion, and provide an explanation for his voting.
At this point of time, I do not think anyone can be painted as completely pro-town which even includes the people providing detailed analysis since we have no concrete evidence to go-to and most discussion is based on interpretation and perceived intent of someone's post.
Also, the more the discussion is heading along in this thread, the more I feel that lynching Irish might as well be a good idea. As a lot of people in this thread have stated, Kurumi and Irish are prime candidates for their odd behavior. And then there are a few people (e.g. red) that have defended them relatively strongly. Thus, Irish makes a good lynch candidate as he has shown scum-vibes in his posts, and his flipping either red or green will allow the town to ascertain the orientation of a lot of people (redtooth's defense and chaoser's borderline tunneling).
Another huge contradiction. He has a placeholder vote on Kurumi all the while saying Irish is the better lynch. If you think Irish has scum-tells and lynching him would give so much information, why did you vote for Kurumi instead? From what you are saying Irish would be the better person to place your vote on!
On May 06 2011 02:36 Eternalmisfit wrote:
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People defending others
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People accusing/FoS/Voting others
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How to read this chart
Every player has a number against him.
Green number on the column of a player means defense or town call for player # by this player
Red number on the column means accusation or mafia call for player # by this player
Bold and deep color represents multiple occasions of the said event i.e. strong support/attack
This chart is applicable till Takuna's first post on page 33 (not including it)
The purpose behind this is to analyze potential relationships between different people which will come into play after we people flip after lynches/deaths.
I will post a more detailed analysis with my thoughts based on this within 30-60 mins.
People accusing/FoS/Voting others
How to read this chart
Every player has a number against him.
Green number on the column of a player means defense or town call for player # by this player
Red number on the column means accusation or mafia call for player # by this player
Bold and deep color represents multiple occasions of the said event i.e. strong support/attack
This chart is applicable till Takuna's first post on page 33 (not including it)
The purpose behind this is to analyze potential relationships between different people which will come into play after we people flip after lynches/deaths.
I will post a more detailed analysis with my thoughts based on this within 30-60 mins.
DOES NOT DELIVER!
On May 06 2011 04:59 Eternalmisfit wrote:
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For the record, it was me who made the spreadsheet. I was unable to link the pictures properly so chaoser later posted the images based on my links. Unfortunately, I did not save the spreadsheet after making the images from them.
Also, the fact that someone did an analysis does not mean he/she is not scum. Now, if that analysis turns up correct on a flip might suggest that he/she has town/mafia-creds. But, at this point, there is no such evidence for anyone.
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On May 06 2011 04:28 orgolove wrote:
Oh wow. I didn't even realize it was chaoser himself that made the spreadsheet. Ugh. Hmm....
Oh wow. I didn't even realize it was chaoser himself that made the spreadsheet. Ugh. Hmm....
For the record, it was me who made the spreadsheet. I was unable to link the pictures properly so chaoser later posted the images based on my links. Unfortunately, I did not save the spreadsheet after making the images from them.
Also, the fact that someone did an analysis does not mean he/she is not scum. Now, if that analysis turns up correct on a flip might suggest that he/she has town/mafia-creds. But, at this point, there is no such evidence for anyone.
![[image loading]](http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/3578/sbagmisfit.jpg)
The thing that makes me suspicious about the spreadsheet, is that it is entirely fluff. Don't know if I'm using the term fluff correctly but I think it means a seemingly contributive post that has no value at all. Yes, thanks for putting numbers that indicate who responded to who. But in what context? Don't we have to still go to people's profile, find their posts, read thoroughly, before we can decide whether there is any significant connections at all? At least I wouldn't just take your spreadsheet and base people's relationship on the numbers you've shown after a flip. For heaven's sake, you created a tool to help yourself organize people's relationships, and you "forgot" to save it. Maybe it was an honest mistake, or maybe you just wanted to show people you're doing something pro-town and then forget about the whole thing. Oh and thanks for the last paragraph. Exactly the reason why I think you're scum.
Conclusion: Eternalmisfit seems to have great lengthy posts that contribute little of value. Most of the things he says are really echoes of what the majority of people are saying. His posting career up to now has been very wishy-washy and he makes many posts that are contradictory. I believe he is scum!
