TL Mafia XXXIX - Page 2

On May 05 2011 09:30 Mig wrote:
Here are some of my thoughts about everything.

The chaoser/redtooth long posts- I don't really have an opinion on whether the posts are scummy or not but a big part of why kavdragon was lynched last game for similar posts was because those were pretty much all he posted. He posted very little actual analysis and the analysis he did post wasn't very good. So as long as red/chaoser post some good analysis I don't think there is a problem with them trying to help out the newer players.

AO/Irish/Karumi- I don't find AO that suspicious other than him saying chaoser was suspicious without giving any reasoning. Irish/karumi seem by far the most suspicious to me. Irish saying karumi had made a lot of great posts is either him defending a teammate or he hadn't actually read anything karumi had written. Almost every post of karumi's has had almost no content and has been confusing. I don't know why a townie trying to win would play like him, other than to try and get reactions out of people. But if that's the case I would like to see some more reasonable posts from him. His one analysis post was better but didn't actually have much analysis in it.

Cthsazsa- I think the scum slip jackal is going on about is way overblown. It seems a lot more likely to just be a mistake than his attempt to run some mafia agenda of protecting lurkers, especially when hes being pretty active himself. I would be more suspicious of beneather who didn't post at all then instantly jumped on the supposed scum slip.

Anyway I guess if I had to vote right now I would vote karumi but I will wait for more information to officially decide.

On May 05 2011 09:57 Mig wrote:
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I agree with varpulis here. And I would add I think it would be a pretty huge mistake to vote for chaoser on day1, unless we had some really damning evidence. He was one of the best players in the last TL mafia. It would be too big of a risk to potentially lose one of our best players unless we were very sure.

On May 06 2011 05:12 Mig wrote:
Redtooth- I think a lot of your arguments against chaoser are stretching it a bit. And your main argument defending kurumi and irish is they are so bad they couldn't possibly be mafia. You even ask when was the last time someone this obvious ended up being mafia. The answer to that is in the previous game. As GGQ mentioned Serjei was blatantly trolling with every one of his posts and he ended up being mafia. Obviously that doesn't prove that kurumi is mafia but you can't use that argument as your main defense for them.

Kurumi- I disagree with most of your analysis of sandroba. Your main points against him seem to be you criticizing his asking people questions saying hes trying to bandwagon their analysis. But really its a good idea to ask people questions and have them make stands so you have posts which you can analyze yourself.

I don't believe your story about trying to attract attention to yourself at all really. It just doesn't make any logical sense. You complain about people focusing on you instead of the vets who aren't posting. But of course people are not focusing on the lurkers after you drew so much attention to yourself. And you said you wanted to draw mafia out by having people vote for you on day2 right? So I don't really get why you said you made mistakes, it seems to me if this was really your goal then you just succeeded a day early.

It just feels to me like you made this plan up to try and save yourself.

So I am going to vote for kurumi, but if irish doesn't post before the deadline defending himself I would probably be ok with switching to him. I would rather not vote for red just yet because he is a vet and I am a little gun shy to lose potential assets to the town early on when our information is still limited.

Conversion- The only thing I know for him is he played exactly like this (hardcore lurking) last game and he was town.

On May 06 2011 05:52 Mig wrote:
Red I understand it can be important to find townies but we have to lynch someone within the next few hours. So who are you going to vote for and why?

On May 07 2011 02:39 Mig wrote:
I think you are being ridiculous right now redtooth. If the town is being so impossibly bad how about taking some leadership and actually putting us in the right direction.

I want you to look at this from my viewpoint for a second. On one hand I see kurumi who is obviously spamming and trolling with 90% of his posts. Who then comes up this ridiculous explanation that all his posting was a plan (I still think this was a lie, I think he just posted terribly at the start and then made up something to try and save himself). Then on the other side the absolute only argument defending him is you saying hes so bad he can't be mafia. Which in my limited experience isn't always going to be the case.

Along with this after you defended irish/kurumi you don't make any argument for who people should lynch. You say killer is somewhat scummy but make no argument for him. You say chaoser is the most scummy but then claim you don't have time to make a case to get him lynched. So really with the information that I have who do you expect me to vote for?

You accuse the town of sheeping onto kurumi, well maybe if you had made a case for someone else to be lynched you could have convinced the town to switch their votes.

And I think your rules are a pretty bad idea. In an ideal world the rules sound like a great idea. But I think when you post this long 10 point list of rules and at the end you say if you don't follow these I am going to assume you are scum, the only thing you are going to do is discourage people from analyzing. If people have to go and follow 100 rules before they can post their thoughts most of them just won't bother. It's going to make it easier for scum to lurk, since less people will be actively contributing.

On May 05 2011 09:39 Mig wrote:
KillerSOS has posted like 30 times in the thread already without giving any strong opinions on pretty much anything. I would like to know who you think is scummy/town killer.