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I believe even by having him alive in the early game while he still feels like siding with town, he can create a much ideal environment for the town. At least his posts motivate me to play and post better. Also, sure if you think me being sick is an excuse, but I just wanted to get this out there in the case I really cannot post due to illness. I'm already trying my best to keep up with this thread by at least posting Day 1. | ||
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Placeholder until I get back from work and read everything tonight. | ||
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Somehow because GM attracts new players to vote for him it is very unusual and scummy. What I find more scummy is the fact that there are a ton of switch votes towards Dr. H that is making him lead in votes. Like Kavdragon said, Dr. H has said that he would not run for mayor, BUT because he doesn't trust anyone else as mayor other than himself (because that would avoid mafia influence) he ran for mayor. His whole mayor platform is just, "I'm willing to listen to town discussion but if I decide that the town decision doesn't sound right to me, I will lynch whoever I feel is scum. (Even when the majority of the town says the lynch target is not scum) Also, don't blame me if I lynched town because everyone makes mistakes." Yet, he is getting votes purely because of people having a town read on him. I want a townie as Mayor too, but definitely not Dr.H. Having said all this, I'm not saying that Dr. H is scum, I just do not feel comfortable with him being Mayor, especially with all the vote switches onto him. I'm inclined to believe there's at least 1 scum on the list of people that voted for him. These are a few people who decided to switch to him (not complete list of who voted for Dr. H) 13.kevconsim - GM > DocH 16.tnkted - tnkted > DocH > GM (changed vote while I was typing this) 18.urashimakt - Prot > DocH 27.DoctorHelvetica - GM > DocH (lol) 28.darmousseh - GM > DocH 33.redFF - Prot > DocH This list serves no purpose other than for me to keep track of who voted for what, but I decided to share it for those of you who do not do these types of record-keeping. My unwillingness to vote for Dr. H is based on the fact that there are many vote switches for him, as well as the general feelings I get from reading his posts. What I wanted was for GM to be Mayor and Protactinium as Pardoner. I'm not saying the Pardoner is not an important role. I have read about why having scum in this role is not beneficial as it gives reds a free no lynch cycle, but I am still willing to take the risk and offer Prot the position as I feel his abilities and skill can be very beneficial to town, even if he decides to turn against us during the late game. Think about it this way, we have him in the position, he uses his KP and DT checks depending on our decision or we lynch him. Except for his last one to complete his win condition of course. We don't have him in a position and he is forced to use his own judgement and KP that will most likely hit 1 or 2 townies (due to blacks are better off playing townie-like than-scum like). In conclusion, I will place my vote on Protactinium in hopes that he can get the Pardoner position. But the chances are probably very slim because there's less than an hour til Day ends. | ||
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On April 13 2011 14:31 chaoser wrote: It's night 1. They can't use hits till night 2 Totally forgot. | ||
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Okay, Coag flips green/blue, that means Protact gets no medic protection, he gets killed by Assassins, and we continue on with our lives searching for scum. No offense, but it's not like Coagulation has been doing amazing analysis this game. Coag flips red, great for town. Medics will protect Prot, and if Prot is DT great. If he is Assassin, he has no more DT checks and cannot continue to pretend to be DT UNLESS, he nails SCUM for us with analysis 100% accurately (WHICH IS WHAT TOWN WANTS LOL). Coag flips black, outcomes have been explained by Dr. H. Why would we not lynch Coagulation? So many scum buddies coming out to defend him atm. | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:23 Lemonwalrus wrote: ^^for the 69th time, assasins cannot use abilities night 1. If he is an assassin, he could not have checked coag last night. Thanks but it doesn't change the fact that his read on Coag HAS to be red for him to even gain the trust of town. | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:34 Coagulation wrote: ITS NOT A GODAMN DT CHECK HE COULDNT DT CHECK ME AND HAVE IT COME BACK RED ITS AN IMPOSSIBILITY. Are you saying you're Godfather now? | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:40 Coagulation wrote: HE DOESNT HAVE TO BE SURE. HES GOT NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO MAKE A GUESS. AND GUESS WHO HE GUESSES. THE PERSON WHO HAS MULTIPLE "ASSASSIN READS" FROM DOCH AND OTHERS. THIS IS ALL A GAMBLE. What gamble..? If he's black and lying since its Night 1 black's can't use DT checks, and he attacks you because you're the scummiest, but then you flip green/blue he still dies. If you flip black/red he just did town a favor by forming a case against you. | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:45 Coagulation wrote: at least when i flip he will be exposed AS A LIER. hey flamewheel MARK MY WORDS YOUR FUCKED AT FLIP. Why do you need to keep stressing this? Blacks will hit him during the night if you're green/blue. Also to people saying this is disrupting us from scum hunting... wtf? Who says you can't scum hunt as well as discuss our current lynch target? | ||
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On April 14 2011 07:18 Kenpachi wrote: Scum Team Coagulation Barundar GMarshal RedFF Mister Wiggles Robellicose ilovejonn ~~~~~~ -runs away like a noob who accuses people and dont post reasons why they are scum because their reason for believe they are scum is actually bandwagoning other people's idea on the people they accused- Thanks for contributing. That list is very helpful. /sarcasm | ||
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From vote count: Coagulation: 10 Protactinium DoctorHelvetica kevconsim chaoser urashimakt Rean Mig bumatlarge DarthThienAn Serejai | ||
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On April 14 2011 07:46 The_Roist wrote: I voted for DoctorH on the grounds that I thought he had the best ideas on how to deal with the ninja mayoral campaign, so come voting time I will probably stay true to that and try to lynch coag. Furthermore, the town has many good followups no matter what coag flips but the plan is not perfect, I see three potential problems: 1. GMarshal pardons coag. 2. We had one vigi, he is dead. 3. Flamewheel is bussing coag and if the stories I hear about his analytical skills are true, he proceeds to mislead the town all the way to a mafia win. aside: you "liquidians" sure post a ton. I don't think I've ever seen so many replies in such a short time, I guess I should adapt to this. How do you know we don't have more than 1 vigi? I also agree with the analysis on Rean. Especially the trolling part about being mafia. If he were town why on earth would you do something stupid like that. BUT if he were mafia, it would be a good idea since people will be like, he's just trolling, we don't know if he's speaking the truth or not, LOTS OF WIFOM, let's just ignore him. Exactly what scum would want. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:09 Serejai wrote: Um, I think this guy is right cause he's a DT (check his icon next to name) Seriously, what is up with this guy? Why are we keeping him alive? Because he's new? When I was new I actually tried to play the game.. but this is just ridiculous. Also, I will not discuss the Coag vs Prot situation anymore, and I'm keeping my vote on who I think is scum. Vig hitting Coag and letting Prot die at night is the best situation if Coag is red and Prot is blue. If Prot is DT then he knows he did his best and at least did a 1 - 1 trade for town despite town not voting for Coag. The only BAD situation I can think of for town is if we have no Vig's left after Pandain died. Therefore if Coag lives the night and claims a hit, and if no VIGI's step up to claim they shot Coag, I'm willing to bet Coag is scum. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:19 chaoser wrote: or a red can claim vigi, that they shot coag but coag didn't die "proving" he's a vet? Hmm, that's bad too. Ah shit, that's actually a really good point if a mafia does that we won't know if they're telling the truth unless there's a DT check.. + we don't know how many blue roles there are.. Also, LSB I agree with your points. Now that I think about it, Prot's DT/black claim is very good for him.. Mafia might be hesistant to hit him at night if he's truly black, but they would also want to hit a DT. Blacks wouldn't want to hit him since they have a secured black target to use their last hammer on, or at least their DT check on Prot first. This situation just gets messier unless we lynch one of them.. ugh. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Reading LSB's recent posts has put me in a bit of a new perspective. If he's scum, I doubt the mafia is all going along with this. Unfortunately Coagulations alignment gives a HUGE amount of information. I think we should lynch Rean or m0nsterchef, someone like that. Have GMarshal check coagulation on night 2 and report the results. This way we can get the "information" without potentially losing a townie. That's my plan : / Also going to take a look at: redFF I know GM claimed DT, but can we really trust his claim as well? He has bodyguards and no one can check GM. He also hasn't revealed who he checked Night 1 in order to protect him, but I can understand that. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: because gmarshal proved mechanically that protactinium wasn't the DT. IF he was scum gambling to save coag he wouldn't do it in that nature, he'd say "bullshit cuz im the DT and i checked coag and he's veteran" or something like that. But he went into specifics about the way the DT works that only a DT would know. That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes. Also last game I was in (not tooo long ago) Gmarshal was the wishy washiest and most inactive lurker scum I've ever seen. Totally not how he's playing this game. Shit he gunned to get me lynched. He's just a bad scumhunter. Huh... I actually would have assumed he PM'd the host to ask specifically about how a DT works. His claim is as trust worthy as Prot's, and Prot even explained why he just said Coag is mafia, why go into specifics if he is not a Roleblocker and just a Goon? Look, I am not here to defend Prot or push GM. I still stand that I feel Rean and Serejai are scum. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why don't you defend yourself properly instead of this guilt trip/sob story/psych me out bs Okay, I'll defend myself properly when you build a proper case around me enough to get me lynched/shot. But if you think, or anyone else for that matter, that I am scum compared to a possible 3-4 scum targets up to this point with my posts, then I have nothing to say. | ||
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I still FOS Rean and Serejai. If you are a newb Serejai please read some games and post better. You have not responded to any attacks towards you, whether you realized it or not, and are making people believe you are scum trying to coast along as a newbie more and more. Last game in Insane mafia 2, Lemonwalrus said it was his first game, Coag believed him to be a townie trying to learn the game when in fact he was scum, I will not tolerate people coasting by as a newb. | ||
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On April 15 2011 14:22 Foolishness wrote: Has anyone ever noticed that Oreo spells it Double Stuf and not Double stuff? Or Stuffed for that matter. I don't eat Oreo. | ||
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On April 15 2011 14:46 Barundar wrote: It's morning here  I woke up at 6:00 AM now I can't go back to bed2 am here gonna sleep. | ||
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On April 12 2011 13:32 jaminz wrote: I realize I've been inactive for pretty much the entire game so far, and I don't really have a great excuse other than that I've been a bit busy lately. However, I'm working my way through the thread right now, and plan to be completely caught up by the end of the night. I've only played one game of Mafia before (Haunted Mafia this past Halloween - put on by Doctor H), so I'm still fairly new to the game, but I'm doing what I can to take everything in. Thanks in advance for everyone being patient with me. Okay, maybe 1 or 2 people called him/her out for being inactive and he felt the need to defend/explain why this is so. I did not read this post in context but this isn't really one of the important posts. However the bolded part is something to take note of, perhaps newer players feel the need to say nice things such as "thanks" or "sorry" in order to compensate the inherent guilt they have for being mafia. On April 12 2011 13:39 jaminz wrote: I'll be completely honest about that one, and you can ridicule me all you want for it: I was nervous that I'd be modkilled for not voting, and wanted to make sure I had a vote in before things got too out of hand so I voted for Dr. H. I know he knows how to play the game, and my gut said he was the one to pick. Alright, this post I can understand. People have stuff to do IRL and this guy's scum read at the beginning of the game is Dr. H, so he votes him. On April 13 2011 11:55 jaminz wrote: Man, this game is pretty intense. I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up, but I'm working on it. It seems like Bumatlarge, DoctorH, and GMarshal have all had a lot of analysis done on them so far, so I'll try to look at a few of the other players and post whatever analysis I can. I didn't read in context again, but jaminz was laying so low I don't think anyone called him out on being inactive at that time? But he comes out of no where to say nothing but he is working on reading and catching up on the thread. Says he'll do analysis. Look at the time stamp, it is April 13 TL time, and it's April 16 TL time right now. This is a clear guilt trip post to make people not call him out on being inactive. On April 15 2011 16:09 jaminz wrote: It's definitely interesting to read everything. It's much easier when we don't get mass pages of posts quickly, but I guess that's how you figure out who is mafia isn't it. The most important post of all. What this post tells me is that jaminz knows or thinks he knows how people think they can catch scum. By reading posts. In that sense, the more you post the more likely you'll get found out! Newbie mafia mistake? Do note, that all the quotes I have are all the posts jaminz has had so far. I also felt that the need for him to quote and respond to Coag's question was probably because jaminz and Coag is on the same scum team. On April 15 2011 13:56 jaminz wrote: #Vote DoctorHelvetica it's a placeholder, yell at me if you want This was near the end of Day 2, when GM was about to get lynched. It is April 15. jaminz said that he would do analysis on April 13. Even if he did not, there were CLEAR targets for her to put a placeholder vote on. Who does he put it on? Dr. H again. Why? Maybe because he doesn't want to feel bad for voting GM or Coag since they are on the same team. Conclusion: jaminz is mafia. | ||
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Also what is with: "Nothing he said indicates mafia to me at all. He hasn't done anything good for the town either though. I bet he is just a newer player." So you agree with him not doing anything good for town, but you don't feel he is scum. Just because he is a new player does not mean he can post as much as he did in this game. Maybe I should just start making smurf accounts to play mafia since no one in here particular care about newer players until they actually talk like DropBear. Oh DropBear is doing analysis, but he is new so ignore him. Oh this guy is inactive but he is new let's ignore him. Argue against the analysis please. | ||
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On April 16 2011 14:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He cheated and he did it in a thread I made. The fact that he wasn't modkilled is the problem but that can wait for a postgame discussion. O, don't what happened but whatever. At least scum died. +him being on scum team increases my confidence that new players are on scum team. Read my analysis on jaminz if you guys skipped over it. | ||
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##Vote: jaminz Link to jaminz' analysis | ||
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On April 20 2011 07:02 The_Roist wrote: If metalFace or I is mafia, DoctorHelvetica is mafia, we bodyguards don't know that we are bodyguards, only the Mayor and Pardoner know who the bodyguards really are, GMarshal was the pardoner and maifa, if DoctorHelvetica is Mafia as well they could easily agree on two random people to be "bodyguards" and hide a fellow mafia in them, I'm strongly suggesting a DT have a look at metalFace and I. If one of us is mafia, the town nabs two mafia, if someone lies about a check, the town nabs one mafia. With the Godfather out of the way and the framer not being in this setup. this seems like a good course of action. BODYGUARD: You are one of two random townies that will be selected night 1 to become Bodyguards. As long as you are alive, neither the Mayor nor the Pardoner can be targeted by night actions of any kind. You have no special powers other than that. Both the Mayor and the Pardoner know who you are, as you are protecting them. | ||
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Can we vote to end Day phase early? | ||
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On April 20 2011 07:50 BrownBear wrote: No, just cause then the cycles start ending at weird times and I might not be able to update on time. oh, okay. | ||
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"ahhhh shit." "But then again, lynching me gets town nowhere, but whatever." lol wat "shit. mistake after mistake.." why so scared? "Baaah." horrible. | ||
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On April 16 2011 15:36 AirbladeOrange wrote: If its lurkers you're worried about why do you pick conversion? What about kevconsim, Milkyst, or metalface, to name a few people I would consider lurkers. I'm not sure it's a good idea to start lynching lurkers because it probably won't tell us much whatever role they turn out to be. On April 18 2011 10:46 AirbladeOrange wrote: I will just say one more thing about my earlier post. I have a very strong reason to believe jaminz is not red and I'm sticking to it. I'm not as sure that conversion is red as much as I believe jaminz to be town. Conversion just seems the scummiest person to me at this point. I would also be okay with a kev lynch. Key point I want everyone to read: jaminz is not red. Only good point you've made so far. I think the issue that makes me think conversion is the summiest looking player we have is the fact that he is advocating the lynch of M0nsterchef, who I think we should believe to be blue. He already voted for M0nsterChef as well. Mafia want blues dead and it would be better to kill blues with a lynch so they can focus on killing other players with their KP. I'm placing my vote on conversion. Which I agree on, coupled with people (chaoser) actually making a case and showing his posts, makes me believe he is scum. Play better Airblade. | ||
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On April 21 2011 08:02 AirbladeOrange wrote: Why was I the only one who actually voted for conversion earlier? Why does it matter, when the matter of fact is that people are getting on to conversion? Is that not a good thing? | ||
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On April 23 2011 08:57 jaminz wrote: Is there any way a mafia member could have killed someone without leaving a trace they were there? The only way I could see Airblade not being mafia is if that happened and Airblade watched that mafia member. But if he was roleblocked, he wouldn't have tracked anyone, correct? Yes, if he was rb'd he couldn't have tracked anyone meaning he couldn't have gone anywhere. so its mostly BS. | ||
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Also, I don't suggest looking at Conversion first, chaoser. Barundar and AOb voted for Conversion first. Doubt they'll do a bus when it lowers their KP and makes them 1 man short? I would probably look at Barundar, and then your list skipped Conversion. | ||
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On April 25 2011 04:51 GGQ wrote: And the reason I supported Protact for pardoner was because a mafia Prince of Darkness would suck. At least Protact would have no reason to use the pardon. Thanks for killing serejai, he was getting on my nerves. Also they are going to bust out the he will use pardon when he feels like he could win argument. | ||
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