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MetalFace
Profile Joined September 2010
United States75 Posts
April 03 2011 16:03 GMT
#132
/in
sign me up
MetalFace
Profile Joined September 2010
United States75 Posts
April 11 2011 02:15 GMT
#979
This thread blew up way too fast. So much spam to sift through...

Anyways, I think it's important to look at how people have reacted to the Protactinium Campaign.
Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who. So, for a second, let's just assume he is, in fact, an assassin. People who want him in think that he would benefit their faction more than the opposing. So let's see how an assassin mayor would actually affect the game.

Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count. Who, then, is he likely to kill? His kill priorities, as I see it, are as follows:

A) Other assassins
B) Mafia
C) Townies

Why? Well, A is obvious. He wants to win, and needs to kill the other assassins.
B and C, though, are tricky. The mayor can only die in one of 2 ways: the bodyguards are eliminated and then the mayor is vulnerable to night attacks, OR, the mayor is lynched. The bodyguards will presumably remain anonymous, so that Protactinium can protect himself. Therefore, it is unlikely they will be quickly expended.* Protactinium's biggest concern, then, is the town lynching him. Townies hold a majority vote, and if Protactinium doesn't act in a clearly pro-town way, then he will be lynched. Essentially, if he doesn't act pro-town he will lose.
Thus, an assassin mayor would benefit the town and hurt the mafia, and would be supported by townies and attacked by scum in the election.

*A situation may occur where assassins may try to kill off the bodyguards in an attempt to make Protactinium vulnerable. This is in my mind unlikely, because an assassin would have to waste kills. To be honest though, I am not entirely sure how this would affect the game as a whole. It is for this reason that I am still thinking about who to vote for. Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is. Hopefully a townie can sweet talk the rest of us to voting him in, but with all the idiotic spamming and name calling going on, it's awful tough to trust anyone right now. I gotta think about this more...
MetalFace
Profile Joined September 2010
United States75 Posts
April 11 2011 03:15 GMT
#1003
On April 11 2011 11:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Posts like the ones MetalHead just made are pretty scummy imo, you have to look past the "wordswordswordswordswords" and think about what the direction of their post is. His post had no direction other than to appear contributive. That's not good.


My direction was the implication that people who attacked Protactinium's campaign have scummy motives.
MetalFace
Profile Joined September 2010
United States75 Posts
April 11 2011 14:38 GMT
#1063
After sleeping with it, I'm voting for Protactinium. Pretty much for the reasons I said before. Plus, my gut is telling me not to trust anyone else.

##Vote: Protactinium
MetalFace
Profile Joined September 2010
United States75 Posts
April 14 2011 03:49 GMT
#2191
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 14 2011 12:22 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 12:01 kitaman27 wrote:
Another person I think we should look at:

MetalFace

I played with this guy as scum and he was a horrible, horrible lurker.

Here are some gems so far:

On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:
Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who.


On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:
Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count.


On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:
Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is.


From his previous game, I think this post speaks a lot to his approach as scum.

On October 22 2010 23:08 MetalFace wrote:
This is my first time playing and I didn't want to screw myself over by saying something dumb



OMG YES, he has 3 posts in this thread and his signup. Let's look at them.

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On April 11 2011 11:23 redFF wrote:
On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:
This thread blew up way too fast. So much spam to sift through...

Anyways, I think it's important to look at how people have reacted to the Protactinium Campaign.
Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who. So, for a second, let's just assume he is, in fact, an assassin. People who want him in think that he would benefit their faction more than the opposing. So let's see how an assassin mayor would actually affect the game.

Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count. Who, then, is he likely to kill? His kill priorities, as I see it, are as follows:

A) Other assassins
B) Mafia
C) Townies

Why? Well, A is obvious. He wants to win, and needs to kill the other assassins.
B and C, though, are tricky. The mayor can only die in one of 2 ways: the bodyguards are eliminated and then the mayor is vulnerable to night attacks, OR, the mayor is lynched. The bodyguards will presumably remain anonymous, so that Protactinium can protect himself. Therefore, it is unlikely they will be quickly expended.* Protactinium's biggest concern, then, is the town lynching him. Townies hold a majority vote, and if Protactinium doesn't act in a clearly pro-town way, then he will be lynched. Essentially, if he doesn't act pro-town he will lose.
Thus, an assassin mayor would benefit the town and hurt the mafia, and would be supported by townies and attacked by scum in the election.

*A situation may occur where assassins may try to kill off the bodyguards in an attempt to make Protactinium vulnerable. This is in my mind unlikely, because an assassin would have to waste kills. To be honest though, I am not entirely sure how this would affect the game as a whole. It is for this reason that I am still thinking about who to vote for. Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is. Hopefully a townie can sweet talk the rest of us to voting him in, but with all the idiotic spamming and name calling going on, it's awful tough to trust anyone right now. I gotta think about this more...


This is your first post in this thread. You state the obvious, use a lot of filler sentences, and repeat pretty much exactly what other people have said e.g. you talk about how if protact were mayor he would be in a LYLO situation, something you would know has been already discussed if you actually read the thread. So assuming you have read the thread you seem to be posting without contributing.


I actually responded to it already when it was posted, now that it is relevant again i can bring attention to it. There is no fucking direction or contribution to this opening post.
Now let's look at every other post he made in this thread...
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On April 11 2011 12:15 MetalFace wrote:
On April 11 2011 11:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Posts like the ones MetalHead just made are pretty scummy imo, you have to look past the "wordswordswordswordswords" and think about what the direction of their post is. His post had no direction other than to appear contributive. That's not good.


My direction was the implication that people who attacked Protactinium's campaign have scummy motives.

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 23:38 MetalFace wrote:
After sleeping with it, I'm voting for Protactinium. Pretty much for the reasons I said before. Plus, my gut is telling me not to trust anyone else.

##Vote: Protactinium


He says that his direction was that people who attacked protact's campaign had scummy motives. Who had said the exact same thing? Protact had, he is simply mimicking what protact had already wrote. Kita actually summed it up quite nicely with those quotes of him stating the obvious. He hasn't posted since that vote for protact. No reaction to the assassin he voted for mayor claiming dt. Lurking bigtime because he is afraid of someone reading him as scum? Already happened bro, gotta come out and post now.



Hey, cool. Sorry I don't post a ton. Don't have access to a computer at all times of the day and this thread fills up faster than you'd think
And if you're upset that I haven't come in yet with some groundbreaking analysis or huge lead, well, you who played with me last time can attest that I'm actually just not that great at the game. And, unfortunately, as I think of things, people seem to have posted it before I get the chance.

Anywho, I think Prot is full of crap. Someone else mentioned it but I think it's true that he is actually just an assassin who is upset he didn't get immunity from becoming mayor, so now he needs a new lie to keep himself alive. I think Lynch All Liars should be applied here and we should just out him now, but apparently other people think differently. There's a lot of pointless arguing right now. Just kill Prot.
MetalFace
Profile Joined September 2010
United States75 Posts
April 14 2011 03:54 GMT
#2193
Yeah, late night's good for me. Yay college?
MetalFace
Profile Joined September 2010
United States75 Posts
April 14 2011 04:11 GMT
#2203
Prot lied. He either lied about being an assassin or lied about being a DT. I think it's the best policy of the town to lynch anyone who lies. This benefits the town because only townies can tell the truth the entire game.

As for who I think we should lynch otherwise, I'd say Rean. aidnai did a pretty nice analysis a while back. I think our next target though should have more to do with the results of Prot's flip and what happens at night. If Prot flips DT, then Coag will have a big sign over his head. If not, then we take a better look at anyone who supports Prot's lying ways.
MetalFace
Profile Joined September 2010
United States75 Posts
April 15 2011 00:41 GMT
#2426
On April 15 2011 06:37 kitaman27 wrote:
So I finally had a chance to read through all coag's posts. As its been stated, scum hunting was nearly non-existent. Nearly everything was either related to why assassins are bad or why kav shouldn't be lynched. I would like to hear some analysis from him if he hopes to survive the day. Even if prot is a liar, I'm not convinced he is clean.

I want to bring up MetalFace again. Besides Red, the initial argument was largely ignored.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 14 2011 12:01 kitaman27 wrote:
Another person I think we should look at:

MetalFace

I played with this guy as scum and he was a horrible, horrible lurker.

Here are some gems so far:

On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:
Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who.


On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:
Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count.


On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:
Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is.


From his previous game, I think this post speaks a lot to his approach as scum.

On October 22 2010 23:08 MetalFace wrote:
This is my first time playing and I didn't want to screw myself over by saying something dumb


Here are some follow-up posts.

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On April 14 2011 12:49 MetalFace wrote:
Anywho, I think Prot is full of crap. Someone else mentioned it but I think it's true that he is actually just an assassin who is upset he didn't get immunity from becoming mayor, so now he needs a new lie to keep himself alive. I think Lynch All Liars should be applied here and we should just out him now, but apparently other people think differently. There's a lot of pointless arguing right now. Just kill Prot.


Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 13:11 MetalFace wrote:
Prot lied. He either lied about being an assassin or lied about being a DT. I think it's the best policy of the town to lynch anyone who lies. This benefits the town because only townies can tell the truth the entire game.

As for who I think we should lynch otherwise, I'd say Rean. aidnai did a pretty nice analysis a while back. I think our next target though should have more to do with the results of Prot's flip and what happens at night. If Prot flips DT, then Coag will have a big sign over his head. If not, then we take a better look at anyone who supports Prot's lying ways.



Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 12:15 MetalFace wrote:
On April 11 2011 11:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Posts like the ones MetalHead just made are pretty scummy imo, you have to look past the "wordswordswordswordswords" and think about what the direction of their post is. His post had no direction other than to appear contributive. That's not good.


My direction was the implication that people who attacked Protactinium's campaign have scummy motives.


Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 13:11 MetalFace wrote:
If Prot flips DT, then Coag will have a big sign over his head. If not, then we take a better look at anyone who supports Prot's lying ways.



He contradicts himself, based on what the popular opinion holds. First, when many people were on board with supporting Prot, he calls his attackers scummy. Now that Prot has been outed, he calls his supporters scummy. In addition, when asked to bring up some lynch candidates, he takes the easy way out by pushing LAL on prot and mentioning Rean, who has already been analyzed by several people. I'm putting my vote on him for the moment.



Nice work putting my quotes out of chronological order :D
I was with Prot when he claimed assassin, and in retrospect would probably make the same decision. Once he confirmed he was lying about anything, I decided lynching him is the best option. I still stand by the Lynch All Liars mantra. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he is a major target tonight. I haven't caught up with the thread yet, but I'll let you know who I'm voting for in a little while.
MetalFace
Profile Joined September 2010
United States75 Posts
April 15 2011 00:48 GMT
#2431
OK, I still think lynching Prot is our best bet.

##Vote Protactinium
MetalFace
Profile Joined September 2010
United States75 Posts
April 18 2011 01:49 GMT
#3141
Voting for Kev because he makes my tummy feel tumultuous.
MetalFace
Profile Joined September 2010
United States75 Posts
April 19 2011 22:48 GMT
#3277
On April 20 2011 07:38 The_Roist wrote:

Do not forget that in this game, mafia knows who the real bodyguards are, for sure.


How does mafia know for sure any better than anyone else does?
MetalFace
Profile Joined September 2010
United States75 Posts
April 23 2011 05:31 GMT
#3423
On April 23 2011 09:35 AirbladeOrange wrote:
You cannot avenge someone you put to death. You can only be haunted.


Meh, either you are mafia or jaminz is. Either way, lynching you will tell us and put us one step closer to winning. Sorry it has to be you to die if you're town, but that's how it works.
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