EPTOn April 13 2011 07:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On April 13 2011 06:56 Robellicose wrote:
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This is in response to being called out for blindly voting for GMarshal. He provides us with this extensive post of bold reasoning. A strong analysis over a strong leader? What does that even mean? Dr. H and GMarshal both appeared to be good analyzers as well as leaders. The rest of the post is just pointless blabble about the goal of the game and keeping the town united. Obvious fluffy stuff.
And here is his second reply when GMarshal wanted a better explanation of his vote.
Here is an apology and admitting to making a mistake. I think he is being real when he says he knows he made a mistake but again, the rest of his post is just throwing out relatively useless questions which many people have already been addressing.
Here is the next useless post. He claims he explained why he voted for GMarshal, which I guess he did. I'm just not sure you can even call it an explanation.
I don't know if this really points to anything but it should be noted that he is quite defensive.
I take this as playing the noob card to the extreme. "Come on guys, stop picking on me."
The rest of his posts were even more pointless than the ones I quotes. One of them being saying "dang" after Kav was found out to be green. Another was just a comment about the spamming in the tread.
He only has 10 posts thus far in the game and has contributed even less than me. At least I'm trying and open to answering questions. All of his responses were the opposite of compelling.
M0nsterChef's scumminess has been summed up quite effectively already I think, and DocH has added a finishing touch which I didn't realise:
redFF voting for different candidates is not a reliable sign that you're not scum - in fact I imagine it would be better for mafia if they could avoid voting as a block as much as possible (unless they had a key vote they wanted to swing).
However, things that have concerned me regarding your alignment:
I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum.
a reasonably large amount of posts by you are also one liners, and you've been feeding the trolls quite a lot, although that has calmed down the the past 15 pages or so.
Finally, there is this analysis from Kavdragon, our late lamented townie:
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On April 13 2011 05:42 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I have been advocating M0nsterChef as one of my main suspects for being red even before all the shitstorm about the mayor campaign.
I have been advocating M0nsterChef as one of my main suspects for being red even before all the shitstorm about the mayor campaign.
On April 10 2011 04:03 M0nsterChef wrote:
I'm also in favour of a strong analyst over a strong leader, simply because it should help achieve the final goal of hunting mafia. Keeping the town focused, and applying pressure to scum can all be done by careful and well thought out analysis.
I'm also in favour of a strong analyst over a strong leader, simply because it should help achieve the final goal of hunting mafia. Keeping the town focused, and applying pressure to scum can all be done by careful and well thought out analysis.
This is in response to being called out for blindly voting for GMarshal. He provides us with this extensive post of bold reasoning. A strong analysis over a strong leader? What does that even mean? Dr. H and GMarshal both appeared to be good analyzers as well as leaders. The rest of the post is just pointless blabble about the goal of the game and keeping the town united. Obvious fluffy stuff.
On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote:
I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote?
I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote?
And here is his second reply when GMarshal wanted a better explanation of his vote.
On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote:
Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with.
Anyways, as for questions
What are your thoughts on the current situation?
Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often.
Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor?
-Seems to be more analyst oriented
-Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon
-Seems to be "Pro-town"
-Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game.
-Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart.
Why don't you like the other candidates?
-Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched.
-Protactium has said he is not town.
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On April 11 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote.
What are your thoughts on the current situation?
Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor?
Why don't you like the other candidates?
On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote:
I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote?
I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote?
No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote.
What are your thoughts on the current situation?
Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor?
Why don't you like the other candidates?
Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with.
Anyways, as for questions
What are your thoughts on the current situation?
Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often.
Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor?
-Seems to be more analyst oriented
-Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon
-Seems to be "Pro-town"
-Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game.
-Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart.
Why don't you like the other candidates?
-Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched.
-Protactium has said he is not town.
Here is an apology and admitting to making a mistake. I think he is being real when he says he knows he made a mistake but again, the rest of his post is just throwing out relatively useless questions which many people have already been addressing.
On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote:
This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts.
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On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote:
That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said:
##Unvote Protact
## Vote DrH
As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on.
On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice.
Just to re iterate.
I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
My platform:
-ignore assassin bullshit for the most part
-I'd consider protact for pardoner because
a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game
b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town
-keep town focused on hunting scum
-ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say
so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are:
1. originalname
2. mig
3. kavdragon
I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice.
Just to re iterate.
I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
My platform:
-ignore assassin bullshit for the most part
-I'd consider protact for pardoner because
a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game
b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town
-keep town focused on hunting scum
-ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say
so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are:
1. originalname
2. mig
3. kavdragon
That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said:
##Unvote Protact
## Vote DrH
As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on.
This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts.
Here is the next useless post. He claims he explained why he voted for GMarshal, which I guess he did. I'm just not sure you can even call it an explanation.
On April 12 2011 08:05 M0nsterChef wrote:
And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON?
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On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote:
I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content.
I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content.
And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON?
I don't know if this really points to anything but it should be noted that he is quite defensive.
On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote:
Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake.
Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake.
I take this as playing the noob card to the extreme. "Come on guys, stop picking on me."
The rest of his posts were even more pointless than the ones I quotes. One of them being saying "dang" after Kav was found out to be green. Another was just a comment about the spamming in the tread.
He only has 10 posts thus far in the game and has contributed even less than me. At least I'm trying and open to answering questions. All of his responses were the opposite of compelling.
M0nsterChef's scumminess has been summed up quite effectively already I think, and DocH has added a finishing touch which I didn't realise:
On April 13 2011 05:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
What should be noted is that m0nsterchef really only showed up to defend himself. Otherwise he contributed nothing but it's obvious he was lurking the thread, posting when his name was brought up as a lynching possibility. That's a major scumtell imo.
What should be noted is that m0nsterchef really only showed up to defend himself. Otherwise he contributed nothing but it's obvious he was lurking the thread, posting when his name was brought up as a lynching possibility. That's a major scumtell imo.
redFF voting for different candidates is not a reliable sign that you're not scum - in fact I imagine it would be better for mafia if they could avoid voting as a block as much as possible (unless they had a key vote they wanted to swing).
However, things that have concerned me regarding your alignment:
On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.
I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum.
a reasonably large amount of posts by you are also one liners, and you've been feeding the trolls quite a lot, although that has calmed down the the past 15 pages or so.
Finally, there is this analysis from Kavdragon, our late lamented townie:
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On April 12 2011 10:49 redFF wrote:
Ok then. Now bearing in mind this is my first mafia game. I submit to you that i have been playing town badly.
So i will try to explain each quote and why i did what i did.
I said this because i thought that no mafia in their right mind would claim assassin. At the time he was the only person who i thought i could read as telling the truth. I also said votes are subject to change. And mine has.
I was put off by his aggressive posting, and honestly had no real idea what i was doing at that time anyway. Yeah it was a mistake and i went and read through some old games of his and saw that he plays like that. In my mind i knew quite soon after i posted that that i was wrong, and am now in support of DrH's campaign for mayor.
On to my list of inactives. I originally made it because gmarshall said he wanted to lynch an inactive/lurker. I posted it a bunch of times because i thought that keeping an inactive list updated on the thread would be a good idea to help more experienced players analyse. After people telling me it was bad and realising myself it was not useful i decided to stop posting it.
I kinda posted this without thinking, as i have done a lot in my first ever day of mafia. Maybe i thought it would help. I guess i wanted people to just take note in case he did get hit. Kinda dumb thing to say i realise now since it was so early and so many things were and are subject to change.
Me saying i'm enjoying myself is a scumtell. I honestly can't really respond to that except that now you think I am scum a lot of my posts are probably scumtells.
In regards to posting that list again.
I actually posted this 2 posts after in clarification that the only mafia member i thought was on that list was m0nsterhunter. You seem to have ignored that posts. So lol at thinking that anyone would think everyone on that list is scum.
This was dumb. I posted this soon after as my explanation, also ignored by you.
I understand that getting anything 100% definitive out of a lynch is wrong. This was a bad post. I was really tunneling ON at the time pushing for a lynch because he was and is my number one scum read. I still maintain that if ON flips red that implicates M0nsterChef and Gmarshall in my eyes. Because m0nsterchef has argued against me with ON, but they haven't really communicated with each other. And because they both voted for GM with little to no reasoning.
About the spamming, I am trying but when i hear something i disagree with i've been trying to get down what I think far too quickly. I took some time with this post to be fair. Please anybody tell me where i'm going wrong and why they think i am scum.
A dt check asked for by DrH on me would be a good idea so I don't have to explain my noobie town behaviour and can analise instead.
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On April 12 2011 10:09 Kavdragon wrote:
This is a sentiment that RedFF takes very quickly. He trusts that Protact is town right from the get go. That is NOT a townie reaction, nor is a noob reaction. A new player who is townie would be quick to question things like this, and while he may eventually come to the same conclusion, there's no way that a townie would reach certainty this quickly. His certainty betrays hidden knowledge, knowledge that only scum would have.
Up to this point (and beyond for a while) he has displayed the same characteristics that he is condemning Dr.H for. Your own FoS back onto you. You are trying to look like you are contributing, and it's not working.
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He complies a list of inactives, but it's early in the day. No one needs to see the inactives that early. Another of many ploys to look like he's contributing. A few posts later he complains about everyone ignoring this out of place list, and posts it again. It's funny, because this fits Ver's profiling for a new scum player almost exactly. Right down to the out of place list. (See: Ver's analysis of XXX)
So if [redFF] flip scum we have a pretty good innocent list. It's an odd thing to say when you've FoS'd him not too long ago. Why would you guess that mafia would shoot someone who is scum?
I actually consider this a scum slip. Mafia have the funnest time day one. Townies are usually interested, but not really having fun till they start getting near the lynch deadline. But perhaps that's just me.
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The list returns! Still out of place. Also, lol at his guess that the mafia are all found in that. He quotes this again to bring attention to the list yet again, and to FoS M0nster. He still hasn't given any opinions. He's tunneling this inactive list, and bringing it up over and over without even bothering to update it. This reaks of scum.
He later slightly modifies his plan to tunnel those mostly inactive people that voted for Gmarshal.
Then we have this contradiction pointed out by Coag. Refer to my guide if you don't get why this is scummy.
Agrees with my sentiment that there should be less spam, and then proceeds to post more frequently than he has all game. Wtf mate?
RedFF has been tunneling, spamming, and not contributed to the thread yet. He has posted that he thinks that Protact and dr.H are good candidates, but simply mirrors others arguments when he gives his reasons. He has yet to really come up with any good reasoning that is his own. He fits a clear pattern for new scum.
RedFF is RedFF
On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote:
Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change.
Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change.
This is a sentiment that RedFF takes very quickly. He trusts that Protact is town right from the get go. That is NOT a townie reaction, nor is a noob reaction. A new player who is townie would be quick to question things like this, and while he may eventually come to the same conclusion, there's no way that a townie would reach certainty this quickly. His certainty betrays hidden knowledge, knowledge that only scum would have.
On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica
Up to this point (and beyond for a while) he has displayed the same characteristics that he is condemning Dr.H for. Your own FoS back onto you. You are trying to look like you are contributing, and it's not working.
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On April 11 2011 04:56 redFF wrote:
I compiled a little list on inactives/lurkers
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking hardcore
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up
I compiled a little list on inactives/lurkers
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking hardcore
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up
He complies a list of inactives, but it's early in the day. No one needs to see the inactives that early. Another of many ploys to look like he's contributing. A few posts later he complains about everyone ignoring this out of place list, and posts it again. It's funny, because this fits Ver's profiling for a new scum player almost exactly. Right down to the out of place list. (See: Ver's analysis of XXX)
On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote:
So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list.
On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now
i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58
and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment
im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now
i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58
and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment
So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list.
So if [redFF] flip scum we have a pretty good innocent list. It's an odd thing to say when you've FoS'd him not too long ago. Why would you guess that mafia would shoot someone who is scum?
On April 11 2011 05:38 redFF wrote:
btw this is fun as fuck and i will be playing tl mafia for quite a while ^^
btw this is fun as fuck and i will be playing tl mafia for quite a while ^^
I actually consider this a scum slip. Mafia have the funnest time day one. Townies are usually interested, but not really having fun till they start getting near the lynch deadline. But perhaps that's just me.
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On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote:
List of inactives
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking hardcore
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up
Thin we have found a newbie mafia?
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On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:
This guy is voting without posting.
On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote:
##Vote: Gmarshal
##Vote: Gmarshal
This guy is voting without posting.
List of inactives
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking hardcore
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up
Thin we have found a newbie mafia?
The list returns! Still out of place. Also, lol at his guess that the mafia are all found in that. He quotes this again to bring attention to the list yet again, and to FoS M0nster. He still hasn't given any opinions. He's tunneling this inactive list, and bringing it up over and over without even bothering to update it. This reaks of scum.
He later slightly modifies his plan to tunnel those mostly inactive people that voted for Gmarshal.
On April 11 2011 10:27 Coagulation wrote:
WAT?
On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote:
Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now.
On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote:
i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on.
i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on.
Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now.
On April 11 2011 08:42 redFF wrote:
Oh yeah that just happened
throwing it out there right now
I THINK GMARSHALL IS SCUM, as well as a number of his voters including M0nsterChef, Kevconsim and Original name, although everyone in my first gmarshall vote count post is officially fos by me
On April 11 2011 07:49 kevconsim wrote:
I think i have decided that the safe bet is too put gmarshal in their.
##Vote Gmarshal for mayor
I think i have decided that the safe bet is too put gmarshal in their.
##Vote Gmarshal for mayor
Oh yeah that just happened
throwing it out there right now
I THINK GMARSHALL IS SCUM, as well as a number of his voters including M0nsterChef, Kevconsim and Original name, although everyone in my first gmarshall vote count post is officially fos by me
WAT?
Then we have this contradiction pointed out by Coag. Refer to my guide if you don't get why this is scummy.
On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.
On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote:
I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content.
On April 12 2011 07:51 Kavdragon wrote:
First and foremost, the spam needs to come down. We need to be able to read through this thread to scum hunt, and the amount of spam is making it really hard to read. Obviously a good idea, right? So why is everyone still spamming? A few people on the top of my spam list are
RedFF (For posting a lot of lists pointing at people, and asking tons of questions of people, but not actually contributing as much)
Gmarshal (For posting more than is healthy. I know that you have a lot of things to say, but when you have that much to say you need to learn how to condense it. You don't have to reply to every single person when almost everyone is talking to you.)
Dr.H (Not bad like RedFF, but in the similar vein as GMarshal, I think that you can condense what you are saying. If there are three people who say something scummy, wait a bit, then put your responses into the same post or something.)
I don't think anyone is used to having 50 pages to analyse by day one. I'm certainly not. I've often been told that it's useless to analyse on day one, and I've disagreed with it before. As daunting a task as it is, I agree with Dr.H that there's plenty of material to get started on. Sure it won't be as reliable as the material that we will have by day 3/4, but there's no better time to start analyzing than NOW.
If you wait, it won't happen, so I'm going to ask EVERYONE, even those who are bad at it, to try thier hand. By this time, the only people who don't have scum reads are scum. Take someone who you think is scummy, and analyse them.
Right now my main concern will be inactive/lurker types, because they are the higher priority for lynching.
My Thoughts on the Game
First and foremost, the spam needs to come down. We need to be able to read through this thread to scum hunt, and the amount of spam is making it really hard to read. Obviously a good idea, right? So why is everyone still spamming? A few people on the top of my spam list are
RedFF (For posting a lot of lists pointing at people, and asking tons of questions of people, but not actually contributing as much)
Gmarshal (For posting more than is healthy. I know that you have a lot of things to say, but when you have that much to say you need to learn how to condense it. You don't have to reply to every single person when almost everyone is talking to you.)
Dr.H (Not bad like RedFF, but in the similar vein as GMarshal, I think that you can condense what you are saying. If there are three people who say something scummy, wait a bit, then put your responses into the same post or something.)
I don't think anyone is used to having 50 pages to analyse by day one. I'm certainly not. I've often been told that it's useless to analyse on day one, and I've disagreed with it before. As daunting a task as it is, I agree with Dr.H that there's plenty of material to get started on. Sure it won't be as reliable as the material that we will have by day 3/4, but there's no better time to start analyzing than NOW.
If you wait, it won't happen, so I'm going to ask EVERYONE, even those who are bad at it, to try thier hand. By this time, the only people who don't have scum reads are scum. Take someone who you think is scummy, and analyse them.
Right now my main concern will be inactive/lurker types, because they are the higher priority for lynching.
I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content.
Agrees with my sentiment that there should be less spam, and then proceeds to post more frequently than he has all game. Wtf mate?
RedFF has been tunneling, spamming, and not contributed to the thread yet. He has posted that he thinks that Protact and dr.H are good candidates, but simply mirrors others arguments when he gives his reasons. He has yet to really come up with any good reasoning that is his own. He fits a clear pattern for new scum.
RedFF is RedFF
Ok then. Now bearing in mind this is my first mafia game. I submit to you that i have been playing town badly.
So i will try to explain each quote and why i did what i did.
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On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote:
Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change.
Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change.
I said this because i thought that no mafia in their right mind would claim assassin. At the time he was the only person who i thought i could read as telling the truth. I also said votes are subject to change. And mine has.
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On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica
I was put off by his aggressive posting, and honestly had no real idea what i was doing at that time anyway. Yeah it was a mistake and i went and read through some old games of his and saw that he plays like that. In my mind i knew quite soon after i posted that that i was wrong, and am now in support of DrH's campaign for mayor.
On to my list of inactives. I originally made it because gmarshall said he wanted to lynch an inactive/lurker. I posted it a bunch of times because i thought that keeping an inactive list updated on the thread would be a good idea to help more experienced players analyse. After people telling me it was bad and realising myself it was not useful i decided to stop posting it.
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On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote:
So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list.
On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now
i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58
and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment
im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now
i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58
and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment
So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list.
I kinda posted this without thinking, as i have done a lot in my first ever day of mafia. Maybe i thought it would help. I guess i wanted people to just take note in case he did get hit. Kinda dumb thing to say i realise now since it was so early and so many things were and are subject to change.
Me saying i'm enjoying myself is a scumtell. I honestly can't really respond to that except that now you think I am scum a lot of my posts are probably scumtells.
In regards to posting that list again.
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On April 11 2011 06:40 redFF wrote:
M0nsterChef - No posts since day 1, proceeds to vote without posting, never played mafia on tl before.
On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote:
List of inactives
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking hardcore
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up
Thin we have found a newbie mafia?
On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote:
This guy is voting without posting.
On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote:
##Vote: Gmarshal
##Vote: Gmarshal
This guy is voting without posting.
List of inactives
Metalface-no posts since sign up
Ream- no posts since game started
Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted
TranceStorm- lurking hardcore
lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began
milkyst- no posts since sign up
The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD
Jaminz- no post since sign up
DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1
M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play.
Serejai- no posts since sign up
Thin we have found a newbie mafia?
M0nsterChef - No posts since day 1, proceeds to vote without posting, never played mafia on tl before.
I actually posted this 2 posts after in clarification that the only mafia member i thought was on that list was m0nsterhunter. You seem to have ignored that posts. So lol at thinking that anyone would think everyone on that list is scum.
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On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote:
Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now.
On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote:
i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on.
i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on.
Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now.
This was dumb. I posted this soon after as my explanation, also ignored by you.
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On April 11 2011 10:30 redFF wrote:
Yeah i was just referring to the post directly above the one i quoted but yeah that was dumb, i realised it soon after posting, hoped nobody would notice T-T
Yeah i was just referring to the post directly above the one i quoted but yeah that was dumb, i realised it soon after posting, hoped nobody would notice T-T
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On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.
I understand that getting anything 100% definitive out of a lynch is wrong. This was a bad post. I was really tunneling ON at the time pushing for a lynch because he was and is my number one scum read. I still maintain that if ON flips red that implicates M0nsterChef and Gmarshall in my eyes. Because m0nsterchef has argued against me with ON, but they haven't really communicated with each other. And because they both voted for GM with little to no reasoning.
About the spamming, I am trying but when i hear something i disagree with i've been trying to get down what I think far too quickly. I took some time with this post to be fair. Please anybody tell me where i'm going wrong and why they think i am scum.
A dt check asked for by DrH on me would be a good idea so I don't have to explain my noobie town behaviour and can analise instead.
would you mind reformatting this post?
