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You know this guy is dodgy. Help me out here. I just made a rookie mistake and I'm getting shat on for it. | ||
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On April 21 2011 13:12 kitaman27 wrote: DropBear makes a good point. I suggest everyone switch their votes over to this guy. All I see is words, words, words. | ||
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HA! I AM INVINCIBLE! ![[image loading]](http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=590144211361&id=ac3bb35028d4d8e69db44fb75a76ef04&url=http%3a%2f%2fmedia.giantbomb.com%2fuploads%2f0%2f3711%2f424143-grishenko_large.jpg) | ||
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DROPBEAR’S THOUGHTS ON HIS DEBUT First of all, congratulations to the town on your victory. This was the first game of Mafia I’ve ever played and it was dramatic to say the least. It’s almost a relief to be done; I found it very difficult to keep lying for such a long period! It takes a lot of time trying to process all the information too, I wasn’t really lurking, I was quite active it just took me that long to decide on what to write with everything happening so quickly lol. I tried to put myself in the mind of a townie while I was diverting attention and make my misinformation as believable as possible, even to myself. I’m going to give my perspective of several things, firstly why we failed so badly the first two days. 1: THE MAFIA’S EARLY CAPITULATION -We had an inexperienced team. -We had enormous issues with activity and co-ordination. We never heard from Milkyst, Darth didn't start talking to us until the end of night 2. Very little strategy was discussed early on and we were rarely online at the same time. -We played very poorly on day one. Almost everyone had a slip of some kind or looked dodgy. -A large number of the unexplained votes onto Marshal for mayor were new players who had nothing to do with us at all. It made it look even more suspicious than it really was. -The combined pressure from Flamewheel/Ver/Incognito on the Protactinium account made things very hard. GMarshal and Coag in particular didn’t handle it well. -A large part of our strategy was based on GMarshal pardoning himself. We had it confirmed by BrownBear as legit. -Meapak's decision was a COLOSSAL fuckup, cost us our most active player and completely blew us out of the water. BB may have not told him the rules but he ignored the proof that BC sent him of the conversation with BB which legitimised it. The combination of this and finding out about the Protactinium issue at the same time meant we went from feeling great to being demoralised. -Also at the same time, Serejai was given a public warning and the same was not done for "Protactinium." I’m still not sure what it is Serejai actually did but I’m going to assume based on his sub-out post that he posted game info outside the game. -In our conversation immediately after on IRC, Qatol's explanation for the lack of punishment for Flamewheel wasn’t to our satisfaction. Meapak then came in and not only has not apologised, told us he couldn’t change anything and then when we protested to go to hell. The whole team very nearly conceded right there. Airblade and Darth were not present for the conversation and if they had been our collective anger could have seen us all sub out simultaneously. -Serejai felt mistreated by both the admins so he left. We haven't heard from him since. He was then shot night 2, I'm not sure who by. -Coagulation was extremely angry already because we didn't follow his stupid plan of having the entire team jump on the Marsh for mayor train. He felt that getting pardoner instead of mayor was a massive failure and went berserk at the newer players, especially me. He claimed there was a feud between himself and Incognito and that the Protactinium thing was a way to get back at him. The warning for Serejai and seeming slap on the wrist for the Protactinium trio, plus Meapak’s decision, pushed him over the edge. Despite attempts to get him to calm down he got himself modkilled and handed over a large portion of our blue list. Yes the majority of that list was legit. Not only this, his early flip cast doubt on me for my strong defence of him day 2. -Milkyst got modkilled. He was completely M.I.A. and didn't make contact with anyone from the start of the game. -As far as I know BC pretty much disappeared after the GMarshal lynch. I heard from him once more which was him saying “hello” and that was it. -The hits on LSB and aidnai by parties other than us night 2 destroyed a lot of doubt and helped with the beginnings of a very difficult to break town circle. It also helped people suspect Darth later in the game due to him jumping on the lynch LSB train. -Darth wanted to hit bumatlarge night 2, I insisted we hit Wiggles instead. The early end of the assassin game reduced third party KP and our chances of crossfire into town disappeared. It also helped aforementioned town circle form even more. OVERALL The combination of poor play by us, our inactivity problems, the massive fuckup by Meapak, our anger with what happened, the idiocy of Coag and sheer bad luck meant that we were basically crippled after night 2. We had lost half our KP in one night, there was a massive town circle forming and the only players left with any real activity were very inexperienced. But we fought on! AirbladeOrange, TranceStorm and I started planning and we tried to peg things back. Darth came in to visit occasionally too. After the kevconsim mislynch, there was still hope! WHAT FINALLY GOT US Once again we had the opportunity to kill bumatlarge night 3 and I insisted on not doing so. I wanted to get him to help lynch DocH down the track, I had tunnel vision on taking out the mayor. I’m sorry to Airblade and TranceStorm for being so stubborn about it. I insisted on Rean and Cub. My entire plan of action was killed by Kita’s watching on M0nsterchef and follow-up claim. I should have fought against bum or DocH but I went after chaoser. It was a solid misdirection but for Kita’s claim and my horrible rookie mistake on the nosy neighbouring handed the town an invincible circle. Not only that, jaminz nailed AO the following night and that was it. If not for Kita and jaminz' work I think we could have come back and won. The watchers and bum won this game for town in the end, my fuckup was bad but I think our defeat was inevitable after their claims. The three of them were easily town’s best players in my opinion. 2: WHAT WE DID RIGHT I think the sole moment of glory for us was our sniping night 1. We got 2 blues out of it, an experienced player in Cub (even though he was reborn lol) and a very vocal townie. Tnkted was our big play that we were going to use to discredit everybody, he had fought against DocH and Protact. The constant roleblocking on Barundar was to question to roleblocker numbers and because he seemed to be fighting for GMarshal , we wanted to use this to get DocH lynched down the track and divert medic/watcher attention to Barundar while we sniped everyone else. But then Protact stepped in with the massive pressure on Coag, we reacted badly and things went downhill after that. I admit that I played poorly. In my defence, look at post 55 of our quicktopic. 4 blues and an assassin out of 7 on the first day isn’t too bad, ay? 3: MY OPINIONS ON THE TOWN PLAYERS First of all I’d like to point out that many of the early town reads were wrong. If things hadn’t imploded for us the way they did I have no doubt that we could have won. DocH's early calls in particular were all off-target. Second I was surprised at how aggressive the game got. I even found myself getting emotional at times. Thirdly it is obvious that the game was dominated by experienced players. Next time I play, either town or mafia, I will try and assert myself a bit more in the thread. Congratulations to Eiii for winning the assassin game, despite your major slip. We took out Wiggles for you so you owe us  Kenpachi, sorry for tunnelling you so hard! We needed something, anything, to get attention off Coagulation on day 2. Tnkted, I hope you enjoyed your stint in the Mafia IRC after you died. It’s pretty interesting in there as you found out! Jaminz, your analysis was actually very good! Why didn’t you start doing it earlier? You were very effective for your team and delivered the final blow. Kitaman27 was easily MVP, congratulations. Bum is runner-up. The two of you pretty much destroyed us; you were even coordinating already on night 1. Town’s worst players were their Vigilantes. Neither of the medics who died were killed by us, nor was LSB. Pandain’s claim got him killed night 1 as well. Dodgiest looking townie was probably Conversion. We were so gonna get you lynched later on. Congrats for surviving! Luckiest survivor was bumatlarge. Every Mafia wanted you dead except me, I didn’t know you were such a good player. I’ll not make the same mistake again! Unluckiest townie was definitely CubEdln. I hope you didn’t waste too much of your life reading up on the thread in getting killed twice haha. Consider it an honour. Runners-up were Mig and aidnai the medics for getting killed by their own side. 4: THE PROTACTINIUM AND PARDONER ISSUES As to the controversy, if it had been BrownBear around instead of Meapak at the crucial time much of our failure wouldn't have happened. Unfortunately it wasn't to be and shit went crazy. Qatol and was in an extremely difficult situation: he wasn’t fully informed of the setup, had to deal with three of the crucial pillars of the TL mafia community cheating, immense pressure from BC and the rest of us, cheating and modkillable aggression from two of our players, the mistake and stubbornness from Meapak, the absence of BrownBear, a desire to keep the game going and to try and be fair to the rest of the Mafia team. He did the best he could to get us to keep playing, we very very nearly conceded right then and there. I apologised via PMs for going off at you and I’d like to do so again more publicly. I almost left but I'm glad I stayed on in the end and overall this game was a lot of fun. Flamewheel and co, I don’t see why you couldn’t have just joined separately. Town already had a coach in Foolishness. What you did wasn’t fair. Meapak, you made a mistake. But whatever, I don’t hate you for it or anything. Your offer of a grudgematch, if still open, is accepted. It would make a light end to what was a bit of a headache. My sc2 skill level is approximately the same as your silver, I have no BW match experience other than the AI and against my drunken friends but if someone helps me setup all the necessary stuff for ICCUP I reckon I could take you. BrownBear, it must have been very frustrating for you to have us to implode as we did. I’m sorry we couldn’t have made your game closer. I understand the modkills completely, thank you for giving us the extra KP night 2 and for being generally fair and helpful to those who remained. You were a great host and thanks for having me. 5: TO MY TEAMMATES: Huge props to TranceStorm and AirbladeOrange for stepping up big time when things got bad. None of us really knew what we were doing but I feel we put up a fight. I’m sorry if I steamrolled over you both at times, I should have listened to you more. You’re good blokes and I'd love to play with you both again. Serejai, I am disappointed you left. You were active and funny. Your trolling the thread was very calculated and effective and was actually helping distract matters. I am still unaware of what it is you actually did to earn that warning but I’m going to assume from what your sub-out post that you posted game info outside the game. I can understand your disappointment but you did break the rules and you really left us in the lurch by bailing. You will probably get a ban out of this and may not even come back at all. It makes me sad because it could have been avoided. Coagulation, I don't understand anything you did or said in all this. Before I joined the Mafia forum I knew you as the guy who made hilarious blogs, photoshops and the hostage thread which is my favourite TL thread. I PM’d you THREE TIMES IN A ROW trying to get you to calm down and you still managed to get yourself modkilled. WE COULD HAVE SALVAGED THE SITUATION IF YOU HADN’T DONE THAT! If BrownBear hadn’t let us keep the 4th KP after your modkill for night 2 we would have been even more fucked. The fact that you handed over that bluelist as well..... Milkyst, all we heard from you was a single quicktopic post. You never answered my PMs, nor Marshal’s. Don’t join next time if you aren’t going to play. Darth, I wish you’d been talking to us earlier. Sorry I didn’t listen to you about bumatlarge I just noticed going through the quicktopic again that you advocated killing him night 1 as well lol.GMarshal, man you are scummy scum! You're a good bloke and even though your plans didn't work it was fun putting them together. Thanks for the guidance and for convincing me to keep playing after the shit hit the fan. It was fun playing with you and I’m sure we will again. Thanks to both my coaches, BC and Foolishness. BC for helping us co-ordinate as much as possible in the first 2 days, Foolishness for helping me coordinate my tunneling. Did you know I was scum as well? FINALLY Despite the dramas and my massive individual fail this was a fun and interesting experience. I will definitely play again, but I’ll probably play in smaller games and wait until I’m not in the middle of mid-semester exams next time GG Town. | ||
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On April 24 2011 13:09 Jackal58 wrote: ] I would have rather had him as pardoner than mayor. He would have been a better choice as pardoner than you turned out to be. :p And ya Coag told me he wanted me dead asap. Some git with a gun shot me instead. Why did you think it was a poor idea? Other than hoping a vig would shoot me? I would have used my belief that both of you were scum to find more of you after Proact was dead. But some git with a gun shot me.  It was us who shot you Jackal. Our night 2 kills were you, Lemonwalrus, GGQ and Wiggles. | ||
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On April 16 2011 04:38 Coagulation wrote: Protactinium - Confirmed DT bang bang MEDICS better Ptotect. Lemonwalrus - good chance hes lurking blue. kitaman27 - Has had a higher investment in this game than his usual playstyle. Jackal58 - Hasnt tunneled a single time so hes clearly laying low this game. Might be assassin but he was pretty vocal about the other assassin being elected so that leaves blue. CubEdIn - slight blue read on him. He came back into thread wanting blood so hes gonna be a good kill regardless to get the experienced players out of here. bumAtLarge - Good analyzer but I think hes just a townie. Would be a good shot if you can stop him from catching scum. LSB - Are we pretending your town still? ok you can be a blue again. (100$ says he cant resist all the role claims and claims super DT before im lynched) Whether you were just fucking around or not, every single one of these people bar Protactinium was under consideration. | ||
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On April 24 2011 13:36 Jackal58 wrote: Be back shortly. I'm going to go beat Coag about the head and shoulders. Well mostly head. On April 24 2011 13:38 Coagulation wrote: I wasnt alive night 2 it had nothing to do with me. Coag is telling the truth here, he was dead well before we sent in the kill list. Darth and myself both wanted you dead and noone argued against it so it went through. | ||
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On April 24 2011 13:56 Coagulation wrote: Wait can you please explain to me why you have a problem with me posting blue reads in thread? whats the problem here? Because they were legit. We actually tried to kill these people. Kita and bum already suspected each other to be blues going on their coordination in the first couple of days. It helped clear them and made things harder for everyone left. That's enough from me for now, I want to watch the WeMade game. I'll be involved in the ban list discussion in the next few days. I also want to allow Qatol, BB and Meapak to say their bit. | ||
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On April 24 2011 13:38 chaoser wrote: I dunno why you went after me out of all people. I'm pretty sure at that point Mr and Bum were pretty much cleared as townie and DrH was only suspected based on the fact that IF he was mafia, the mafia actually had a chance of winning so people were asking around about that. Also, I don't think the vigis were that weak at all, they cleared the table of all our suspects, making the next few day's lynches completely free for new suspects. Had the vigis not shot then we probably would have wasted a few days on LSB and whatnot I panicked lol. I completely forgot the possibility of DocH being able to visit people at night undetected, plus I read kita's claim post just before I had to leave to go to an exam. When I got back I wanted to respond quickly and didn't think my arguments through anywhere near enough As for the vigis, you're right I probably should have waited to see a action list to make such a call. Serejai did get shot night 2 after all. Someone shot mig and aidnai the medics though and neither was us | ||
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On April 24 2011 14:12 Coagulation wrote: Yeah im sure town is gonna rally around blue reads from a flipped scum as a confirmed town circle. thats funny. Well they did in the end, didn't they! | ||
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I forgot about this writeup. I studied the one for XXX extensively. I guess it got proved correct again I wanted to keep bum and kita alive to help take down DocH. It was a big mistake. Also, TranceStorm was very much in favour of killing urashimakt and jaminz night 3, we should have listened to him | ||
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On April 24 2011 16:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The situation from there turned into shite. GM was lynched, coag modkilled, serejai vigi'd and milk modkilled. I sat in the mafia irc for 2 days and only saw dropbear once, and checked their quicktopic to see very little talking that I could directly input on so I stayed back and observed waiting for messages and checked irc periodically but never saw anyone there. We should have been more active in PMing you, but I was actually in IRC almost every moment I was awake, it's just that I'm 12 hours ahead of you! TranceStorm and Airblade became very active after the Marshal lynch. There was little in the quicktopic because we were doing most of our discussions in IRC, we had several 2-3 hour discussions. | ||
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