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The more I look over Protac's case, the more I disagree.
He's silent during the time between DrH winning and Kav getting flipped, even though he was conveniently defending Kav strongly before this time. And guess what? Although Coag was adamantly against the lynch earlier and attacks the lynch right after it occurs, he is mysteriously silent right before the lynch and doesn't bother saving Kav at a moment where his arguments could be critical. It didn’t look like kav was going to get lynched until the last minute vote switch by prot himself and chaoser. The situation 5 minutes before night time was:
1) GMarshal was ahead with no intention of lynching kav.
2) DrH talked about lynching me over Kav
Prot and chaoser last minute vote switch 1 minute before night time, and DrH posts his lynch post 5 minutes past. So protact’s argument is that coag should have convinced DrH otherwise in 6 minute.
The most blatant contradiction is how Protac says that Coag is useless and spam, when coag actively argued against lynching an active analyzer, while Protac himself got the active analyzer lynched.
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I'm not sure I agree with you chaoser that it's smarter to use a lynch on coag than to let protac die to assassin. But I agree with you that we shouldn't stop scum hunting.
Jaminez I want to hear your opinion on this situation and your mafia/town reads. Same for you conversion.
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Will you two stop it please and start pressuring people that are content just letting you fight it out.
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Anyone else notice how much easier it is to read this thread without DrH commentating on everything all the time? Way less emotional and hostile atmosphere.
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If you want to make an analysis cant you just [spoiler ] the quotes please? So freaking hard to read :/
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Thanks a lot GM.
I'm getting more and more tempted to vote coag. flamewheel got a point in saying coag hasn't done much scum hunting in this game. He has mainly been quiet, which made me put him as blue, but a veteran has no insensitive to avoid attention. flamewheel didn't seem overly concerned with not getting mayor yesterday, it could have been because his plan was primary to see the reactions to his assassin claim, and secondary to get the seat.
In any case, lynching coag now means clarity. If we decide to leave it to assassins, we risk them only role checking instead of hitting flamewheel, so we would have to deal with this situation again tomorrow. Coag is already outted, meaning if he is veteran, he won't be able to make use of his extra life.
The only thing that really concerns me with lynching coag now is we might waste another lynch, and day of scum hunting, but I guess the possible benefits outweights this risk.
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On April 14 2011 04:22 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 03:06 CubEdIn wrote:In all fairness, I came in as a replacement during the night, posted twice, and died. I deserve to live at least a day.  I was suppose to replace Pandain, but he died too, so I'm now ON.
Hi ON. A bunch of people suspected you day 1, but now suddenly think you are useful since you are called LSB. Have you caught up yet?
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Gotta agree with LSB here, mislynching our elected officials straight away is a great way to blow up the town. Both are active, we can deal with them later.
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On April 14 2011 14:37 GGQ wrote:
Why I have a very hard time believing any DT claim in this game:
In the OP, it states that not every role is guaranteed to be in the game. I believe that the DT is one role that is not in this game. My logic is simple; there's no millers. The miller role has been replaced by the nosy neighbour; a townie that shows up at deaths to throw doubt on tracker/watcher reports. I think that a DT with no miller is too powerful, so we probably only have trackers/watchers as our information roles. So I have a tough time believing GMarshal is a DT.
Why didn't I bring this up for Pandain or Protact's DT claims? They were both obviously fake anyways... I figured I might as well hold on to this thought until someone claimed DT and was actually believed.
However, even IF GMarshal is a DT, his little thing with Protact really doesn't change anything in my mind. To me, it's always been clear that Protact is assassin and faked DT claim. The argument about lynching Coagulation is that the only reason for him to fake a guilty on Coagulation is that he's sure Coagulation will flip red. That's what he's depending on, and his analysis should be given some weight for sure. (There is an outside chance that Protact believe Coag is black and is trying to get us to lynch him, but that's been shown to be unlikely already and if so Coag's win condition would require him to claim black to survive a little longer). And I haven't seen anyone argue against Protact's actual analysis of Coagulation, only against his DT claim. I thought from DrH's posts that he understood this, which is why I find it very strange that he switch off Coagulation after GMarshal's DT claim.
Pretty sure I'm the only one who has actually argued for and against the analysis of coag, based on analysis.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 23:52 Barundar wrote:The more I look over Protac's case, the more I disagree. Show nested quote + He's silent during the time between DrH winning and Kav getting flipped, even though he was conveniently defending Kav strongly before this time. And guess what? Although Coag was adamantly against the lynch earlier and attacks the lynch right after it occurs, he is mysteriously silent right before the lynch and doesn't bother saving Kav at a moment where his arguments could be critical. It didn’t look like kav was going to get lynched until the last minute vote switch by prot himself and chaoser. The situation 5 minutes before night time was: 1) GMarshal was ahead with no intention of lynching kav. 2) DrH talked about lynching me over Kav Prot and chaoser last minute vote switch 1 minute before night time, and DrH posts his lynch post 5 minutes past. So protact’s argument is that coag should have convinced DrH otherwise in 6 minute. The most blatant contradiction is how Protac says that Coag is useless and spam, when coag actively argued against lynching an active analyzer, while Protac himself got the active analyzer lynched.
The thing that talks for coag being mafia in my opinion is he hasn't been that active, and refuses to give out suspects, despite having a veteran role. Veterans are supposed to be vocal contributors so they can soak up a hit. Coag has been laying low in my opinion, and continues to do so.
If GM is indeed a DT,who got elected into office, then killing BG's will be a top priority for mafia before he gets too many reads off. I'm fine with you holding back townie reads, but please post if you find a mafia or an assassin so we can lynch them or let them die.
Don't switch to GM, that's just stupid. If he pardons coag we lynch/shoot both. Besides he claimed DT.
At the moment way too much points towards Protact lieing. In my opinion we can deal with coag by shooting him.
Wiggles is the only active poster I'd be ok with lynching, based on that huge useless wall of text.
Jaminez has been absent the whole day. Again, he was an active green in Haunted mafia, here he is just awol. Either he is scum, or he really doesn't have time to play this.
Conversion only comes out to post when I call him out, then goes back to lurking. He is active on the forum. But he did get modkilled for inactivity before.
I'll have a look at MetalFace's posting history.
And last but not least: Please don't claim unless it's absolutely necessary, ie. ~1 hour before you are lynched. I know it's tempting to claim because someone suspect you, and makes a case for you, but believe me it takes a lot more than that for you to die. All you achieve is drawing the role block off me. Besides the whole accusation process gives the rest of us time to judge both you and your accuser.
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I'll place my final vote tonight before I go to bed, but leaning towards voting coag. Flamewheel can't be red, so his analysis of coag has merit, whether he is black or blue. Coag has spend more time yelling "liar" at flamewheel than contributing, which could be because he knows the analysis is spot on. Coag is hardly posting to boot which is unlike his veteran claim. He seems way too content just letting others fight his war.
Will decide later.
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GM whats your opinion of Coag?
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On April 15 2011 00:21 GMarshal wrote:
As far as the coag lynch goes, I am indifferent on it, as I said I have an absolutely null read on coag, as I see it he is playing his usual capslocked ranting style, which means that as usual his alignment is a mystery to me. I think a vigi shot is still a better idea as it proves him one way or another without killing him if he is town and allows us to use our lynch on someone else.
All that said I find chaoser's analysis of ON/LSB to be compelling, still, LSB is a really good player, and I'm loath to lynch him day 2, I would at least wait till day 3 where we will have more information to lynch on. I find Rean's attitude much scummier than his usual play, which in my mind makes him an ideal lynch target.
Also I'm frustrated that I wrote two separate analysis of people and both have either postponed their answer or flat out ignored them. Seriously look at AO. he has been scooting along all game long making longish posts that say *nothing* and he just says my analysis is wrong and moves on. Why is no one jumping on this? its typical of scum to just dismiss accusations as wrong without answering them
Unless AO replies to my accusation and justifies himself he will remain on my list as scum
I read your accusation of AO, and really you are just bashing all his posts. There is no discussion of them, you are simply looking for negative points. Looking for scum tells in every post is not behavior analysis.
I don't like that you refuse to have an opinion on coag either. Like chaoser said, him lieing or not holds no relevance for his case.
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@GM Doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on him, coag's meta is no where as solid as a player like Ace. You just ignored that I critized your analysis of AO and went on a rant about coag, I guess you are more touchy on the last issue?
@Jackal Yeah we don't have to believe his DT claim. His arguments are like any other arguments though, you either agree or disagree. LSB lied so much in last game that I stopped looking at the arguments against chaoser and just wanted him dead, which turned out to be a huge mistake as you know.
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@Jackal: You have solid argumentation and clear opinions so far. I guess the moment you aren't obvious town we should lynch you asap . I agree with your argument, my counter argument would be: But why did he pick out coag? He must believe in his case. That makes it worth listening to. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that one.
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Coag we need to hear from you, if you stay silent you probably get lynched tonight. LSB you seem like the other major candidate, would love to hear your thoughts on coag/prot more than just: Lynch prot
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Going to vote coag. It's quite possible LSB is scum as well, but coag is way too happy letting others defend him. If he was town he would put up a fight.
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So I just woke up and was looking for the night post. Wth happened?
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So we are all switching to GM I presume? Do we get extra voting time?
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Jaminez makes for an excellent vigi hit, so we don't have to waste a lynch on him.
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EPT
