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On April 11 2011 03:59 chaoser wrote:
There's no way Prot is mafia btw. He says he has 2 KP and a check. He can't be roleblocked. He either does it or he doesn't. No way mafia would claim assassin to be sent into office only to be proven he can't do the things he says he can do.
Are you sure assassins can't be roleblocked? I went back and double checked that and I can't confirm it.
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On April 11 2011 06:01 Pandain wrote:
actually you know what.
IT would still work.
I just don't run.
I'm not dt
After reading through Pandain's flight of fancy, I just wanted to give my two cents. Assuming Pandain is either green or scum, which I'm going to because anything else is going to break my brain/heart/misc vital organs, I still believe protecting Protact with the Pardoner position only is a good idea. Arguing about assassin business is not. Just forget he's an assassin imo, which is why I don't endorse him for Mayor. That would make it impossible to forget he's black.
I have no idea about who should be mayor. I want someone who's calm, collected, and proven a good analyst. Someone people can get behind and argue with without creating a mess for scum to hide behind. The more vets post about each mayoral candidate and their thoughts, the better reads we newbies can get on the whole thing.
Sorry if any of my points are disagreeable, I am admittedly new at this.
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On April 11 2011 06:26 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:24 The_Roist wrote:On April 11 2011 04:54 Jackal58 wrote:On April 11 2011 04:51 The_Roist wrote:
I've never seen a game get so worked up over a ninja/witch hunt before. Never one that the town has won anyway... We always brawl on day 1. Do you guys? Its my first time playing Mafia with TL, you guys are far more...aggressive? Then the guys i'm used to playing with. Just don't lurk and you should be fine ^_^ Thoughts on the mayor race?
Just to keep it posted, it's currently
GMarshal: 4
Protact: 3
DrH: 1
tnkted: 1
kitaman27: 1
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I'm actually a bit afraid of how much quick popularity GMarshal received in the polls. It could just be people innocently bandwagoning onto his case since he campaigned first, but is it very unlikely that the mafia wouldn't try to instigate a bandwagon from the get go?
Even though my gut reaction says that he should and probably will be mayor, I'm so seriously wary of it backfiring. Is there any merit to handpicking someone who hasn't proclaimed their candidacy, but has received pro-town reads from most people?
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Wow, that's a good question. I can't believe no one bothered to ask that. Although, if he's lying about assassin, is it gonna be super helpful?
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As has been pointed out and discussed so far, the weird voting pattern for GMarshal so early on puts a lot of doubts on his probability of being a pro-town mayor. I don't think it's a chance we should take, and in order to secure a green mayor we should probably shift all the votes on GM to DrH (even if he has been a bit rude to you inidividually, I think it's still in town's favor). Leaving any votes on GM could lead to a situation where at the last moment he snags Pardoner, which (if he is red), still gives him access to the BGs, which is still super bad.
So if you're not scum and you're currently voting for GM, I think it's probably a good idea to move that vote elsewhere (probably DrH). Try not to scatter too much, cause that could leave Pardoner open to sniping.
I still strongly support Protactinium as Pardoner and will not personally be shifting my vote. Sorry, redFF.
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EBWODP and similar acronyms: can someone explain them please? Thanks.
So we're coming down on 3.5 hours until the voting booths close, and while I'm not certain on who to point a finger at or suggest to lynch, I am very sure that we have a potential danger in the election. Currently, the stats look like this:
DoctorHelvetica: 13
DoctorHelvetica
Mr. Wiggles
TranceStorm
redFF
aidnai
The_Roist
Mig
darmousseh
tnkted
Rean
kevconism
jaminz
Conversion
Gmarshal: 11
Lanaia*
Robellicose
Coagulation
OriginalName
AirbladeOrange
M0nsterChef
Kenpachi
Serejai
Barundar
Lemonwalrus
Kavdragon
Protactinium: 5
chaoser
urashimakt
GGQ
MetalFace
Jackal58
Yet to vote: Barundar, Protactinium, Latrommi, Tackster
Have their votes on an a lost cause: ilovejohn, GMarshal, Eiii, DropBear, kitaman27, Pandain, DarthThienAn, Milkyst
*Lanaia has requested to be replaced and is not likely to be changing her(/his?) vote anytime soon
Presumably the big movement to support DrH spawned out of a suspicion of GMarshal's strong snap support that couldn't be ignored. If this still holds true, anyone still voting for GM who is either not absolutely sure he's pro-town and the best choice for mayor or (and I'm not accusing anyone specifically, because I've got no firm reads) they're mafia supporting him for whatever reason should change your vote A.S.A.P.
Right now we have a pretty even split open to sniping and, if the suspicion many have about GMarshal's support is actually true, bodyguard information could still fall into mafia hands even if mafia don't make an outright grab for the mayorship.
At this point I think the most likely outcomes are, in order: { (DrH, GM), (GM, DrH), (DrH, Prot) }
So, if you're town and still voting for GM, I want you to be absolutely sure that you believe that voting for him and granting him access to bodyguard info or allowing the vote to be sniped so that he is mayor is the best result for town. If it's not, I urge you to switch from GM to Prot, who I believe to be black despite some fleeting suspicions.
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I think I confused myself writing the sentence that's in italics, it felt long. It should read that if you're not certain that GM is the best bet, don't choose him. It also was meant to suggest that mafia wouldn't care either way, but that probably wasn't even necessary to try to fit in there.
Sorry for overcomplicating it.
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On April 12 2011 10:37 GMarshal wrote:
Right, people listen to the wisdom of this man who want to put an assassin in office. Great wisdom and Joy await us for electing a *known* non-town into a protected role. Perhaps you would like to invite the mafia in as well? That way we ensure a fair and even split, they might even promise to use their KP in the service of the town! Wouldn't that be *lovely*?
/end sarcasm
I wouldn't expect a positive reaction to saying not to vote for you whether you were red or green, but I do know that I'd rather have a black as pardoner than even the slightest chance of a red as pardoner.
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Changing my vote to make the race less likely to be so close/sniped. If somehow everyone gets active in the next couple of hours and votes change up a lot, I'll go back to Prot.
##Unvote Protactinium
##Vote DoctorHelvetica
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A little more depth to your guys' reasoning why DrH reads scum other than "a lot of switch votes to him" would be helpful. I feel like those switches happened because GM was suspected for the same reason: "too many votes straight to him".
If we keep having one or two persons say "Dr. H is the lesser of two evils, I'm switching to him" and then one or two persons saying "Dr. H seems scummy, I'm voting GM", all we do is create a balanced platform that gives two shots for red to score a mayor GF, if either one turns out to be red.
It may be too late to do anything about it now, but the more that's out in the open now the more we'll have to work with Day 2.
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On April 12 2011 12:41 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 12:39 GGQ wrote:On April 12 2011 12:32 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 12:32 Conversion wrote:
Didn't most town want proct as pardoner?
Unvoted and voted proct. hoping for some kind of vote switch before day ends... If most of the town wants the assassin as pardoner then they really deserve to lose. Now that you know how weak (and even anti-town) the pardoner role is, why do you think that it's a bad deal for town to trade it for two kills and a role check? BECAUSE ITS ANTI TOWN if we are going to lynch the last mafia then Protac *has* to use it to by himslef an extra day to hunt out the last assassin If we are in a position to win with a lynch he has to disrupt us so he can still win, *and* we can't afford to lynch him for it
It's apparently a pointless argument. He has less to vote and is pretty much out of time, so he's probably going to be modkilled, not to mention he is way down in the poll.
If you're voting for him and want to vote for either GM or DrH instead of nobody, I'd hurry up and switch.
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I think I'm sleepy. That should read:
He has yet to vote -
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And he's back, lol. Forget all of that.
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On April 12 2011 12:49 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 12:48 kitaman27 wrote:
GMarshal, you should change your lynch candidate to the most scummy person that votes for Protactinium within the next hour. Next 11 minutes you mean?
BrownBear's last update in the voting thread indicates there's 70 minutes remaining til voting closes.
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As mentioned a bit ago, I'm switching my vote back to Prot now that he's here.
##Unvote DrH
##Vote Prot
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On April 12 2011 13:03 Coagulation wrote:CAUSE HES NOT ASSASSIN HES MAFIA. IT WAS A FAKE CLAIM TO GAIN CRED ITS SO SAD. LOOK AT THIS SHIT Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 12:59 urashimakt wrote:
As mentioned a bit ago, I'm switching my vote back to Prot now that he's here.
##Unvote DrH
##Vote Prot 100% Wishy Washy Last minute scum bandwagon switch. Hes gonna pretend to fucking vote DOCH LOL And switches at last second. BUT HE SWITCHED TOO SOON THIS IS A LAST SECOND BANDWAGON TO GET MAFIA MAYOR.
It's fine if you accuse me, but please calm down.
I moved my vote from Prot because it was a couple hours before showtime and he was probably going to get modkilled. Now that he's here, I still support him for pardoner. I don't have anything else to tell you beyond that.
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On April 12 2011 13:30 BrownBear wrote:
Can we cut the allcaps posts please?
This is completely out of character, but since I'm shortly going to be seeing my first mafia election and complete my first mafia day 1, I just wanted to say thanks for hosting and thanks to the players regardless of affiliation. It's very neat.
I'm gonna go make some macaroni for this.
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I suppose this is when we find out what Kavdragon is made of?
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Do bodyguards flip bodyguard when they die?
I'm not going to be placing my vote on a lynch target until some of the veterans post their take on the situation over the next day, but I felt like posting why I'm most suspicious GMarshal now that we're out of the night.
+ Show Spoiler [Asked for specific night actions] +
Also Blue list coming
Medics
Jackal- I want him lategame
Chaoser- he is thinking, even if he is wrong about me, I want a wolf not a sheep
Bum- same as chaoser
tnkted- looked pro-town to me
kitaman27- he argued against the assassin and seemed generaly helpful to the town, protect the man
DTs
bum- as much as I like him he's come in throwing alot of accusations, I'd like for someone to know his alignment
ON- we could just lynch him, but if he isn't scum I dont want to waste a lynch
redFF- Kav suspected him, he needs a check
Barundar- Dr.H top suspect, a check is called for
Conversion- duh
Lattomi- last minute vote snipe and lurker, going to consider lynching as well
Trackers
jaminz
Milkyst
MetalFace
M0nsterChef
AirbladeOrange
Mig
As far as I can tell, asking for specific night actions was/is detrimental to town. It openly tells red who they should avoid hitting or visiting, just in time for them to do some night actions. It is worth noting, though, that he suggested using a medic on tnkted and tnkted still died. I'm still not convinced that's a point of absolute redemption.
Jackal58 posted a protect/watch list on page 81, but it was pretty generic and just listed veterans as what appeared to be a suggestion. Also worth noting for people better at analysis.
On April 13 2011 03:19 GMarshal wrote:
So I guess you all decided to throw away the extra 24 hours we have?
I'd like to see some opinions on things, some accusations, something!
Who do people think are the best DT targets, who do they think medics should protect?
Does anyone find my list entirely disagreeable?
GMarshal seemed very favorable to the idea of continuing the open town discussion on "who should mafia not bother hitting tonight?" He stated his stance on this before the game started, but some time after role PMs had been sent out. GM's quote bolded as follows:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2011 10:20 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2011 10:10 GMarshal wrote:On April 09 2011 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i dont talk at night
i think silence during night is the best policy for town I completely disagree with this statement, I think the additional 24 hours of information are really valuable, its like extending the day by 24 hours. I dont think the additonal information we end up giving the mafia that way outweighs that at all. I mean look at Ver's analysis in XXXVII, they were all posted at night. I actually disagree as well. Having someone flip gives a lot of new information and can give posts by people a new light. Why would you not want to analyze before the end of night where you might possibly die? Ver said he was afraid he'd be shot every night so he posted his thoughts during the night and that helped town greatly.
These are actions I considered pretty suspicious. I'll be reading what the better players have to say about the night occurrences later on today before I place my own vote.
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