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I know you aren't arguing for that, but I think that if we choose a mayor his scumhunting/analysis skills should be the first reason we choose him and his leadership the second.
So you're saying we should choose Coag for the mayor position? He has decent scumhunting, shooting both the GF and Underboss.
I dont think I fully agree with you Kav, leadership is vital, but I'd much rather have a strong analyst than a strong leader who is just wrong.
We just recently talked about how the most important thing for a leader to have is to be able to convince others, not to just blindly scumhunt and then say HE IS SCUM I JUST KNOW IT. I think if you're a good analyst, you're bound to be a good leader because a good analyst is someone who can write convincing arguments and thus lead. This argument about good analyst vs good leader is a nonargument since a good analyst should also be a good leader.
I'm more worried about second place. Seeing as how this allows someone to get BG protection and also know who the BGs are, reds and blacks will all be gunning to run for mayor. At the least they can get second place and get the names of the BG, which is all that the mafia needs to worry about in the case of a strong townie winning the mayor election. We should put pressure on anyone who will be running for the mayor campaign and obviously townies should pull out of the race if they feel someone else would make a better mayor than them. This way we get a small list of mayor campaigners and if red or black DID run then it's easy to find them.
Also, in regards to the assassins, I think we SHOULD apply pressure on one if we find one. We can offer them a deal for protection/DT powers in return for getting to direct one of their 3 KPs. That way they get some help and we get some help.
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On April 10 2011 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
what happens if the mafia doesn't run
Then all the better. The statement is said to scare mafia not to do stuff. We put the fear of it in front of them and they'll think twice about it. Though I doubt in this game not a single mafia will run. Being pardoner is too juicy a role to get that's relatively easy to get. In XXXVII even LSB posting the list of people by ranking scared me enough not to kill off everyone in tier 2. Obviously I was playing way too safe since all I wanted to do is get to LYLO and use my "townieness" but the same thing applies here. My bluff in insane led to much WIFOM for Kav and in the end iGrok's posts pushed him to call my bluff but if he didn't then I would have pulled way ahead.
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Well I do understand where that thinking is coming from, I think mayor having 3 vote powers is fucking huge and way stronger than some perceived power to manipulate town. It's basically the ability to make 4 people have to change votes to get someone else lynched (3 to tie, 1 to push lynch into the lead). Also by having someone who is a good leader+analyst can keep the rampant fingering throwing down to a minimum. I think at most we'll spend day 2 looking at the candidates and once that's passed we can, as town, consciously focus on post-by-post analysis and not fall into the trap that happened in insane mafia which was just gut hunting with almost 0 percent analysis.
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On April 10 2011 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
basically all it is, is a potential for a faster LYLO. the mayor can really only abuse his vote power if the mafia is great at splitting bandwagons and if the mayor uses his votes to save somebody, you better bet they're both in the hotseat
Yeah so sorry, what are we arguing over again lol? Seems like all we're doing is talking about the inherent risks of the mayor campaign and the end conclusion is that we should vote mayor is town, a mafia mayor needs to play well or he will be discovered. I figure only good players are going to be running, and in serious contention, for the mayor spot anyway. I doubt the mafia team will send in someone that they don't think can handle the pressure if there is any.
Is your main point that we shouldn't focus on the mayor candidates after the mayor has been selected because mafia can just not run and then make us focus on them unnecessarily? Then can't mafia also run and then say we shouldn't focus on the mayor candidates since mafia could have not run and so on? It's a big WIFOM that really leads nowhere except to create a WIFOM conversation topic that people will come into arguing about basically nothing since both sides are possible.
That being said, I'd rather be safe and look at the mayor candidates for at least Day 2. To not look at them would be absurd and bad play. If we sniff out anyone, all the better. If not, we place them on the back burner and if something does come up at a later day then we come back to it.
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Is your main point that we shouldn't focus on the mayor candidates after the mayor has been selected because mafia can just not run and then make us focus on them unnecessarily?
Also, it's relatively easy to see when focus on someone unnecessarily is being done by someone else. That leads to a FoS on the person doing it if it happens and if the person lynched flips green then there's huge pressure on the person who did a shitty case of tunneling/gut read/bad logic on the green townie that just got lynched.
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I noticed that the KP for mafia wasn't listed in the OP, do we get to know how many KP they have or is that hidden from us?
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Hey im red
Hey im red
Hey im red
Hey im red
WE GOTS YOU!!!!
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Day 1 is starting soon right? in half an hour
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ok that's pretty fucking epic for a Day 1 post
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OBJECTION!
Kita is a weak person who can't handle tough cases. A person prone to failure and easy to trick. A peson easily swayed by the mafia to do their bidding. A person that could very well be scum. He runs on a platform of fear and timidness, stating that he is merely running to keep the role of pardoner out of other's hands because he is "town" and that he will only use his powers in situations where it is clear cut from town that it is a mafia bandwagon. WEAK! SPINELESS!
I promise to be different, fearless, a force against which the red scum who have so viciously killed Plexa will not want to go up against.
- I will work closely with the Mayor to help find mafia as well as to keep our bodyguards safe. If I suspect anything at all about the Mayor, I will immediately bring it to the town's attention.
- I will work closely with the town as well, while I don't have the triple vote power of the mayor, I do have the power to pardon and I will use it if needed
- I am willing, unlike Kita, to make the difficult choices. If I feel an unjust lynch is being made and that the second highest person being voted on is actually mafia, I will make that call and I will pardon. It will be an informed decision and I will explain my actions in a satisfactory way but I will not sit around twiddling my fingers when I think a wrong is about to occur.
I'm a good player that has a good head between my shoulders. In Insane I pushed for Darm's lynch before even Bum posted on it. On Day 2 I tried to move the vote off Tackster, who was green, onto LemonWalrus, who was red and almost succeeded. Had I had the power to pardon, we might had 3 confirmed townies instead of only 2. Finally, I am willing to take risks if I think they will help town. My bluff of King gave Kavdragon much WIFOM to think about and would have certainly worked if it weren't for iGrok's fake breadcumbs.
Vote For Courage!
Vote For Tigerblood!
Vote to Bi-Win it all!
Vote For chaoser!
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In regards to voting for Mayor:
I will be voting for GMarshal and here is why:
I know GMarshal's play
I have been in two PM circles as well as 1 game where he was mafia recently.This means I probably have the best read on GMarshal out of everyone. His Town Play is far superior to his Mafia Play. It is very easy to tell when he is Mafia and unless he has improved his play for it in just 1 game, I am pretty sure I can sniff it out.
GMarshal knows My play
In the two circles we have been in, I was Mafia in one and Town in the other. He has seen up close my play on both sides. If I am red and he is green, he will out very quickly.
This of course is all moot if both me and him are Mafia but look at my posts in this thread already and ask yourself if they are townie or not. I have tried to clear up easy conversations for mafia to blend in on as well as promoted townie play.
##vote: GMarshal
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wow, protact got balls lol
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On April 10 2011 13:22 tnkted wrote:
Is it just me or was this extremely stupid?
It's ballsy. He's probably Assassin so it all depends on whether we want him in office or not. We get 2KP and a role check. He gets to live until both bodyguards are dead. We don't get a proven leader/analyst protected.
##Vote Protactinium for now. That was ballsy as fuck.
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On April 10 2011 13:28 tnkted wrote:
Hmm... On the other hand this would give mafia incentive to be hunting for assassins as well...
question for the vets: in games with assassins are assassin targets typically reds or greens? ie, do most assassins act like classic red, with lurking and trying to avoid attention, or do they act like classic greens with analysis and debate?
In this game they don't care. They just want to kill black. This deal is a win win for both parties technically. He's not red,we get 2 KP and a role check.
The loss is that we don't have a leader/analyst in a 100% protected position.
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On April 10 2011 13:32 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 13:29 GMarshal wrote:
urashimakt, voting is done in a separate thread, but its tradition that we also vote in here to make it evident we are voitng, this way we avoid people ninja votingn and no one noticing till the lynch has gone through, sure votes here aren't counted, but they *Are* made evident to the rest of the players.
Make sense? I saw that was the rule in XXXVIII, but it was specifically mentioned as being an unusual situation. In the rules here, it says to only place votes in the separate thread. I'm just looking out, BrownBear's the only one I'm going to trust to say otherwise. O_O
lol, there's no reason to lie about this...it's game mechanic...no reason to trick you. If a vote thread comes up we'll obviously vote in it. But it's good to also vote in here so people can see your vote attached to your name. Makes it
1) easier to analyse your vote
2) easier to see where on the timeline of the day you placed your vote
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On April 10 2011 13:24 GMarshal wrote:
Protactinium I applaude your ballsy move, I however hate to have to condemn you to a painful death, since not having a townie as mayor hurts us, frankly the mayor and pardoner roles are extremely strong and we need them in the hands of the town. Also as an assassin you are likely to want to aim the lynch at other assasins.
I offer you a counter deal, you put your kp/DT check at the service of the town and we will have medics protect you. Is as good as being the mayor, but it dosn't cost the town those roles.
Still kudos for your balls of steel in making that claim
The problem with this is that we DON'T know if there are medics or not. Hosts can pull a lawl give em all vets only thing again.
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lololol eii....was that a slip =[ if it is, you're pretty much dead tonight
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sigh, guess I'll vote for myself
##vote chaoser
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On April 10 2011 14:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
medics shouldn't protect protactinium just let him die
lol what a douche...
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