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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 22:14:20
April 08 2011 22:14 GMT
#244
got my role
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 08 2011 22:22 GMT
#247
On April 09 2011 07:17 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 07:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
got my role


I'll meet you in scum irc in just a second!

irc.quakenet.org

#wearethemafia
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 08 2011 22:30 GMT
#254
On April 09 2011 07:29 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Just posting so coag can get a town read on me.

##Vote: LemonWalrus
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 08 2011 23:06 GMT
#282
On April 09 2011 08:03 chaoser wrote:
Let's keep it low spam for the newbies please kthanks

I'll try my best.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 08 2011 23:17 GMT
#287
only vote for pandain if you're voting for his lynch

i have a script that just blacks out everything pandain says in game, makes it much easier.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 08 2011 23:37 GMT
#292
On April 09 2011 08:26 chaoser wrote:
DrH, who is this in your profile
[image loading]

oh i forgot about my profile

disney actress ryan newman
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2011 00:39 GMT
#305
i dont talk at night

i think silence during night is the best policy for town
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2011 01:40 GMT
#313
On April 09 2011 10:38 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 10:26 aidnai wrote:
I agree with DrH about night talking. If you talk at night, there's nothing town can do about it until day, only mafia has the power at night.


town has plenty of night action powers...

and none of them involve talking
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2011 04:10 GMT
#327
all the other detectives raise your hand
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2011 08:31 GMT
#340
lol lynch kavdragon
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2011 19:56 GMT
#378
kavdragon is saying a lot of useless bullshit trying to appear protown and basically his posts are this:

words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words

obviously no mafia would say THIS much "pro-town" stuff that everyone already knows amirite ;o????

i'm not buying it. you did this same thing in pokemafia which i hosted
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2011 19:56 GMT
#379
On April 10 2011 04:51 Kavdragon wrote:
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On April 10 2011 04:04 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 10 2011 03:53 Kavdragon wrote:
On April 10 2011 03:18 GMarshal wrote:
Also, I just realized, Assassins have a huge incentive to run as other assassins are out to kill them, and being mayor makes them really, really hard to kill


On the note of assassins, from what I understand, they are playing an entirely different game than us. Their win condition does not interfere with ours, and the only effect they will have is the collateral damage they will incur when they miss.

Do you think that we should hunt for them as well? The arguments that come to mind are that killing one will lower the KP during the night. On the other hand it distracts us from the only people that can beat us: the mafia.


No reason to lynch an assassin. Just analyze them and leave them to die by the other assassins.


Oh, and this is a really good point.

no one cares
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2011 19:57 GMT
#380
On April 10 2011 03:15 GMarshal wrote:
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On April 10 2011 03:02 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 10 2011 02:44 TranceStorm wrote:
Furthermore, since the pardoner/mayor knows who the bodyguards are, meaning that the mafia could hit those roles easier.


This part gives the mafia more incentive to run as mayor than usual. The last thing they want is two town running around causing trouble, with no way to kill them. The fact that they are rewarded for running, but coming in second also gives them a nice bonus. The pardon ability is an awesome way to completely derail town focus when mafia is in a tough spot. I would feel real unwary having a pardoner around late game if I wasn't sure of his alignment.


This means we should focus our attentions on people who run and on really analyzing the hell out of our mayor/pardoner. Also I think that the mayor's power is being understated, he has a triple vote, in the hands of scum that would be lethally dangerous, bringing lylo much, much closer than it should be. Personally I think we should only vote for players we think are probably town, because the idea of having one or both of those power roles in the hands of the mafia is pretty worrying.

So yeah, let me state the obvious, make damn sure you are voting for pro town players, as these roles are pretty damn powerful.



what happens if the mafia doesn't run
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2011 20:01 GMT
#385
On April 10 2011 05:00 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On April 10 2011 03:15 GMarshal wrote:
On April 10 2011 03:02 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 10 2011 02:44 TranceStorm wrote:
Furthermore, since the pardoner/mayor knows who the bodyguards are, meaning that the mafia could hit those roles easier.


This part gives the mafia more incentive to run as mayor than usual. The last thing they want is two town running around causing trouble, with no way to kill them. The fact that they are rewarded for running, but coming in second also gives them a nice bonus. The pardon ability is an awesome way to completely derail town focus when mafia is in a tough spot. I would feel real unwary having a pardoner around late game if I wasn't sure of his alignment.


This means we should focus our attentions on people who run and on really analyzing the hell out of our mayor/pardoner. Also I think that the mayor's power is being understated, he has a triple vote, in the hands of scum that would be lethally dangerous, bringing lylo much, much closer than it should be. Personally I think we should only vote for players we think are probably town, because the idea of having one or both of those power roles in the hands of the mafia is pretty worrying.

So yeah, let me state the obvious, make damn sure you are voting for pro town players, as these roles are pretty damn powerful.



what happens if the mafia doesn't run


Then its a win/win situation for us, mafia just gave up a shot at two really, really useful roles. I'm having a hard time envisioning a scenario where the scumteam dosn't run for mayorship. If for nothing else, if they get a guy up there he is DT proof for a while and they get the names of the BGs



and it's a lose situation if they tunnel lynches onto all the mayoral candidates using the exact same argument you just used
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2011 20:07 GMT
#389
On April 10 2011 05:01 Kavdragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On April 10 2011 03:15 GMarshal wrote:
On April 10 2011 03:02 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 10 2011 02:44 TranceStorm wrote:
Furthermore, since the pardoner/mayor knows who the bodyguards are, meaning that the mafia could hit those roles easier.


This part gives the mafia more incentive to run as mayor than usual. The last thing they want is two town running around causing trouble, with no way to kill them. The fact that they are rewarded for running, but coming in second also gives them a nice bonus. The pardon ability is an awesome way to completely derail town focus when mafia is in a tough spot. I would feel real unwary having a pardoner around late game if I wasn't sure of his alignment.


This means we should focus our attentions on people who run and on really analyzing the hell out of our mayor/pardoner. Also I think that the mayor's power is being understated, he has a triple vote, in the hands of scum that would be lethally dangerous, bringing lylo much, much closer than it should be. Personally I think we should only vote for players we think are probably town, because the idea of having one or both of those power roles in the hands of the mafia is pretty worrying.

So yeah, let me state the obvious, make damn sure you are voting for pro town players, as these roles are pretty damn powerful.



what happens if the mafia doesn't run


Then we have a bunch of analysis that says "soandso" is town. Confirming townies is very useful as well.

You seem to be working hard to put down my efforts, but the only thing I see you doing is encouraging spam, an putting down others. Why don't you put forth any of your ideas?

because i dont feel the need to write paragraphs about useless shit saying basically:
1. the mayor is important!
2. the pardoner is also important
3. be careful who you vote for!
4. mafia may or may not run for mayor!
5. we should pressure inactive people!

this is all obvious stuff. no one has said anything of value yet and because the game hasn't even started I haven't taken the time to scrutinize the game setup and come up with a plan for how I'm going to play this game or where I think the town should go. but that doesn't mean i can't smell your "look at me and how townie i'm acting!" bs right away
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2011 20:10 GMT
#391
On April 10 2011 05:05 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
what happens if the mafia doesn't run


Then all the better. The statement is said to scare mafia not to do stuff. We put the fear of it in front of them and they'll think twice about it. Though I doubt in this game not a single mafia will run. Being pardoner is too juicy a role to get that's relatively easy to get. In XXXVII even LSB posting the list of people by ranking scared me enough not to kill off everyone in tier 2. Obviously I was playing way too safe since all I wanted to do is get to LYLO and use my "townieness" but the same thing applies here. My bluff in insane led to much WIFOM for Kav and in the end iGrok's posts pushed him to call my bluff but if he didn't then I would have pulled way ahead.

idk honestly if im mafia im thinking

"lets not run and then try to keep all the pressure on the people who ran for mayor for a few days while we wreak havoc."

even if a few lynches don't go that way, it's pretty easy to keep attention on the mayoral/pardoner candidates since they usually post a lot in the beginning and townies who post a lot are likely to contradict themselves at least once so imo the mayor powers are not nearly as strong as the power to manipulate the towns focus by any means necessary

that's just my take on it
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2011 20:20 GMT
#394
On April 10 2011 05:17 chaoser wrote:
Well I do understand where that thinking is coming from, I think mayor having 3 vote powers is fucking huge and way stronger than some perceived power to manipulate town. It's basically the ability to make 4 people have to change votes to get someone else lynched (3 to tie, 1 to push lynch into the lead). Also by having someone who is a good leader+analyst can keep the rampant fingering throwing down to a minimum. I think at most we'll spend day 2 looking at the candidates and once that's passed we can, as town, consciously focus on post-by-post analysis and not fall into the trap that happened in insane mafia which was just gut hunting with almost 0 percent analysis.


Yeah but there is a trade off. IT isn't all just numbers.

If mafia wins mayor:
1. invites 10x more scrutiny onto himself
2. can't really use the power however he wants, his votes will be 10x scrutinized

basically all it is, is a potential for a faster LYLO. the mayor can really only abuse his vote power if the mafia is great at splitting bandwagons and if the mayor uses his votes to save somebody, you better bet they're both in the hotseat
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2011 20:42 GMT
#397
On April 10 2011 05:28 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
basically all it is, is a potential for a faster LYLO. the mayor can really only abuse his vote power if the mafia is great at splitting bandwagons and if the mayor uses his votes to save somebody, you better bet they're both in the hotseat


Yeah so sorry, what are we arguing over again lol? Seems like all we're doing is talking about the inherent risks of the mayor campaign and the end conclusion is that we should vote mayor is town, a mafia mayor needs to play well or he will be discovered. I figure only good players are going to be running, and in serious contention, for the mayor spot anyway. I doubt the mafia team will send in someone that they don't think can handle the pressure if there is any.

Is your main point that we shouldn't focus on the mayor candidates after the mayor has been selected because mafia can just not run and then make us focus on them unnecessarily? Then can't mafia also run and then say we shouldn't focus on the mayor candidates since mafia could have not run and so on? It's a big WIFOM that really leads nowhere except to create a WIFOM conversation topic that people will come into arguing about basically nothing since both sides are possible.

That being said, I'd rather be safe and look at the mayor candidates for at least Day 2. To not look at them would be absurd and bad play. If we sniff out anyone, all the better. If not, we place them on the back burner and if something does come up at a later day then we come back to it.


yeah that would be absurd not to look at them but if we're still arguing about mayor candidates on day 3 then something bad has happened and it's probably because the mafia wanted it to happen

i can basically agree with what you said here
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2011 21:55 GMT
#402
If you are saved by a medic will you be informed? Will a medic know if he has a successful save?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2011 22:01 GMT
#404
My last question is if an assassin wins his assassin game, the town vs mafia game will continue as normal correct? Or will this end the game?
RIP Aaliyah
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