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DoctorHelvetica
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why not do that LSB and ilovejonn? | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:28 ilovejonn wrote: I know GM claimed DT, but can we really trust his claim as well? He has bodyguards and no one can check GM. He also hasn't revealed who he checked Night 1 in order to protect him, but I can understand that. because gmarshal proved mechanically that protactinium wasn't the DT. IF he was scum gambling to save coag he wouldn't do it in that nature, he'd say "bullshit cuz im the DT and i checked coag and he's veteran" or something like that. But he went into specifics about the way the DT works that only a DT would know. That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes. Also last game I was in (not tooo long ago) Gmarshal was the wishy washiest and most inactive lurker scum I've ever seen. Totally not how he's playing this game. Shit he gunned to get me lynched. He's just a bad scumhunter. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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because: this plan can "fail" and mafia can simply stack a hit on somebody tonight. when that happens coagulation claims "i took a hit" and seeing as there are only 2-3 deaths, the town believes the claim. The "vig check" can be manipulate to make coagulation look a veteran if he is mafia and his claim could just be a set-up. Why would he have to claim Veteran in the first place? How does that help his "case against prot" at all? He says he can "prove it", is this plan by LSB the "proof" they had planned on? This puts in my mind two scenarios: LSB/ilovejonn are mafia trying to waste a vig hit on BLUE coagulation and a lynch and protactinium LSB/ilovejonn are mafia with coagulation and trying to save him with an indirect defense The GMarshal check is the safest and most pro-town way to resolve this situation. I say we look for a good analysis elsewhere and have a new lynch. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:34 ilovejonn wrote: Actually LSB's post ninja'd mine while I just came back, and when you bring a better case to the table when there are wayyy more people scummier than me to be considered a lynch target for today (Rean, Serejai, etc.), I might consider defending myself. Actually I just did. Would you rather lynch a target 70% likely to be scum or 50%? i seriously doubt serejai is scum and after reconsidering aidnai's analysis of rean he does look sort of suspicious but more like just a bad newbie LSB is not a bad newbie, this is deliberate misleading of the town and I'm calling it. Lynch LSB, check coagulation. If LSB is red/Coag blue lynch ilovejonn. If LSB is red/coagulation red lynch Coag and hit ilovejonn imo. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:36 ilovejonn wrote: Huh... I actually would have assumed he PM'd the host to ask specifically about how a DT works. His claim is as trust worthy as Prot's, and Prot even explained why he just said Coag is mafia, why go into specifics if he is not a Roleblocker and just a Goon? Look, I am not here to defend Prot or push GM. I still stand that I feel Rean and Serejai are scum. You assumed the reason that would lead us to distrust GMarshal's claim because you don't like the idea of an invincible DT do you? That sort of breadcrumbing strategy, this much manipulation, it's not how Gmarshal plays scum. This is one of those things it's very easy to say scum might do but they probably never would. He didn't come right out and say it, he breadcrumbed and asked about it for a bit before he revealed the information. He didn't want to claim. Scums goal is to get the claim in right away. He didn't claim until I actually pressured him to. It sounds like you have a preset agenda, you don't want to analyse the information to come to a conclusion, you want to manipulate the information to come to your conclusion. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:38 chaoser wrote: Even I figured out that DT gave back alignment from the OP and I ain't a DT. That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes. wut lol He isn't inactive. He's contributing but he isn't good at it. The game I played with him he said nothing and just asked other people to make decisions for him basically. Very different play overall. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:40 ilovejonn wrote: Wow Dr. H. Yeah, go ahead and lynch/hit me. Once I flip green you'll REALLY have to reconsider what you are looking at to find scum this game. AND STOP NINJA REPLYING TO MY POSTS, you are too fast. Why don't you defend yourself properly instead of this guilt trip/sob story/psych me out bs | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:38 chaoser wrote: Even I figured out that DT gave back alignment from the OP and I ain't a DT. That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes. wut lol er you mean "didn't give back" right? i like that you appear minutes after i start pressuring lsb/ilovejonn to try to shut down my check plan if gmarshal is lying about being the DT then this puts pressure on him to actually make something out of it. if he's mafia, this actually puts a ton of pressure on him. especially if a second DT does the same check. | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:42 chaoser wrote: You said he was wishy washy. and now you're saying he's not wishy washy. Which is it? inactive !=wishy washy | ||
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On April 15 2011 07:53 ilovejonn wrote: Okay, look. I don't like where this is going. If you think I am scum and want to build a case around me fine. I will defend myself when I need to. I will let you have the last post on this matter if you will, but for now I will shut up and think about the situation and think of clear lynch targets. I still FOS Rean and Serejai. If you are a newb Serejai please read some games and post better. You have not responded to any attacks towards you, whether you realized it or not, and are making people believe you are scum trying to coast along as a newbie more and more. Last game in Insane mafia 2, Lemonwalrus said it was his first game, Coag believed him to be a townie trying to learn the game when in fact he was scum, I will not tolerate people coasting by as a newb. Does it really take 3 posts for you to tell me "if you want to call me scum build a case around me" On April 15 2011 07:47 chaoser wrote: I'm not asking about the inactive part. I'm asking about the wishy washy part. Yes he is and I think that's just bad town play on his part. He admitted himself he isn't a great scumhunter and it shows in his poor analysis. But he's a lot less wishy washy. He didn't have the courage to even TRY to make a scumcase when he was scum before and in this game he calls me out and I'm the most vocal poster. Big difference. Also noted: you show up at the same time I pressure LSB/Ilovejonn to indirectly defend them by discrediting Gmarshal. Here's an important thing I realized while I was on my way to take the bus home: Ilovejonn is completely willing to reject GMarshal's claim based on the idea that "oh he probably PM'd BrownBear to find out" yet insinuated Flamewheel could VERY WELL be the detective. This is completely contradictory logic. This is not the mistake of a townie who isn't thinking this is the mistake of someone who has a GOAL (to discredit GMarshal and block my plan from going through) and fucked up trying to achieve it. Trying to discredit GMarshal's DT claim while ignoring the fact that Protactinium 100% CONFIRMED lied about his claim is ridiculous. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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On April 15 2011 07:53 ilovejonn wrote: Okay, look. I don't like where this is going. If you think I am scum and want to build a case around me fine. I will defend myself when I need to. I will let you have the last post on this matter if you will, but for now I will shut up and think about the situation and think of clear lynch targets. I still FOS Rean and Serejai. If you are a newb Serejai please read some games and post better. You have not responded to any attacks towards you, whether you realized it or not, and are making people believe you are scum trying to coast along as a newbie more and more. Last game in Insane mafia 2, Lemonwalrus said it was his first game, Coag believed him to be a townie trying to learn the game when in fact he was scum, I will not tolerate people coasting by as a newb. of course you don't because i'm sayin you and lsb are scum | ||
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On April 15 2011 08:31 TranceStorm wrote: I just got back to this thread, and jesus christ I have missed so much. Personally, I feel that Serejai is definitely mafia because of his almost complete lack of comprehension in his posts. If you read his comments in some other threads, they seem rational and well thought-out as in he was definitely trying to understand the situation at hand. Here, however, he doesn't act like he's actively trying to understand whats going on and blatantly makes statements that defy logic What motivation would he have for doing so if he were town? From my cursory glance at the thread, no one has seemed to step up and deny that Serejai is probably a mafia, but everyone seems to glide over the issue to focus on other lynch targets. I think this is currently misguided, we can't know for certain if any of those people are mafia or not so we should wait for a few more night actions. On the other hand, we have an almost guaranteed mafia in the form of Serejai. The likelihood that Serejai is mafia is far greater than that of any of the other players, each of whom seems to have lots of supporters and detractors. I think Serajai is definitely town aligned. I have an issue with Serajai that must be resolved with the mod first though. | ||
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On April 15 2011 08:37 TranceStorm wrote: Really? If you read his posts, they just seem to ignore all possible notions of logic meaning that he is deliberately putting on this facade of being new. No person would ever say that they believe that someone is correct because their icon is that of a DT unless they were deliberately acting in an illogical fashion. Yes, I think he is town aligned. No one is taking his posts seriously, he isn't doing anything to affect the lynch/mislead town, he's essentially just posting jokes. It's hard to read that and I think there are bigger fish to deal with. i.e scum actively trying to mislead lynches/town i.e lsb | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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DoctorHelvetica's Plan -GMarshal and the other (or if there are three all of them) check Coagulation on Night 2. -GMarshal announces his results. -If his results are incorrect, the other DT will claim and out him (and get medic protection that night) This is undeniably a winning scenario for town. Look at each scenario. GMarshal and Coagulation are SCUM. -GMarshal is forced to bus him. -If GMarshal lies about his claim to save Coagulation, the other DT calls him out and we lynch GMarshal and VIG HIT Coagulation. Netting a double scum kill. GMarshal is DT and Coagulation is scum -We lynch Coagulation and get a mafia kill. GMarshal is scum and Coagulation is blue -GMarshal is forced to lie and he will always lie that Coagulation is the veteran. -If Coagulation is actually a different green/blue role or an assassin the real DT will claim this and we lynch GMarshal. Both GMarshal and Coagulation are the roles they originally claimed. -We now have good information we can use to reevaluate Day 2 and we avoid wasting a lynch on Coag or Protactinium. | ||
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On April 15 2011 08:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: DoctorHelvetica's Plan -GMarshal and the other (or if there are three all of them) check Coagulation on Night 2. -GMarshal announces his results. -If his results are incorrect, the other DT will claim and out him (and get medic protection that night) This is undeniably a winning scenario for town. Look at each scenario. GMarshal and Coagulation are SCUM. -GMarshal is forced to bus him. -If GMarshal lies about his claim to save Coagulation, the other DT calls him out and we lynch GMarshal and VIG HIT Coagulation. Netting a double scum kill. GMarshal is DT and Coagulation is scum -We lynch Coagulation and get a mafia kill. GMarshal is scum and Coagulation is blue -GMarshal is forced to lie and he will always lie that Coagulation is the veteran. -If Coagulation is actually a different green/blue role or an assassin the real DT will claim this and we lynch GMarshal. Both GMarshal and Coagulation are the roles they originally claimed. -We now have good information we can use to reevaluate Day 2 and we avoid wasting a lynch on Coag or Protactinium. This will either: -Put huge pressure on GMarshal if he lied about his DT claim. -Get a scum kill -Confirm Coagulation without wasting vig hits/lynch and "give information" the proper way instead of the scum way (lynching/viging people) | ||
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On April 15 2011 08:56 Rean wrote: LSB is a waste of a lynch. He's on a crusade to get Protactinium lynched when mafia would just leave him to die to the assassins. I think it's pretty clear LSB is scum, but not the red kind, and hence not the kind worth wasting a lynch on. And to get town to waste a vig and to save coagulation and to get the town to waste a lynch overall getting an assassin lynched is a success for mafia especially if he's pressuring one of their teammates. | ||
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You have no real reason to tunnel Coagulation though I guess unless you are the DT. I hate second guessing myself but I have to rethink. There is the fact that there are no other veteran counterclaims and I think it's unlikely there are 2 vets thats a really weird number. | ||
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