EPTIm tired of helping, I've spent the last 48 hours helping only to have the assassin who wants the town to medic him step in here and try one last desperate gambit, which *should* have been laughed off, in any reasonable world. Instead the town is sheeping him. Fine, I'll hold off from posting till I have something constructive to say.
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GMarshal
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Im tired of helping, I've spent the last 48 hours helping only to have the assassin who wants the town to medic him step in here and try one last desperate gambit, which *should* have been laughed off, in any reasonable world. Instead the town is sheeping him. Fine, I'll hold off from posting till I have something constructive to say. | ||
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What we know from today is pretty clear. FW has been caught lying of being a dt. His fake claim of his role was debunked and yet he is still being listened to. The general consensus is that he is indeed an assassin. Now. Why would an Assassin push to have someone killed? Because his only shot at winning is getting one lynched, and killing the other in the night. The person accused not only role claimed a blue role, He claimed a blue role easily proven. Now for clarifications sake, and to point out the massive stupidity of the people reading and going “coag is deff mafia, the assassin says so.” On April 15 2011 09:08 Protactinium wrote: Please read my post. You're just ignoring logic and are building cases off of false assumptions. You were elected based on the premise that you think for yourself and don't sheep town. But clearly you are being tricked by GMarshal's and others' statements and have not taken a step back to evaluate the situation objectively. Let me prove it to you. Right now, you just stated 4 possibilities in your plan: However, there is 1 option you left out. Lets go with your stubborn assumption that I am not a DT, and that I in fact do not know Coagulation's role. If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT. You did not consider this situation, which shows that you subconsciously believe my DT claim. I have already proven why GMarshal is blatantly lying about being DT. Please evaluate this situation objectively before jumping off a cliff in an attempt to be the town hero. You're trying to convolute things too much. The simplest answer is: I'm a DT, I checked Coagulation, and he is red. Now let us look at this very very carefully. FW has been caught lying. He has also shown to be tunneling a target (which is uncharacteristic of him). He also mentions the possibility of coag being the gf. Now. IF he was a dt, this option would never have to be described. He uses it as a convoluted method to attempt to prove himself. Why, if he was a dt, would he even describe the potential of coag being the gf? He would know for a fact. But you ask yourself, why would I mention this? because he uses the example to prove occams razor. ISSUE BEING. He has been caught lying and fake claiming. The simplest explanation per Occam's razor is that he is scum/assassin. Town has no reason to lie. Especially with a power role such as dt. If your still going "but but" think of it again. Since when would a "DT" in the hands of an experienced player such as FW create a convoluted plan that if he was not elected guarenteed he died. No matter what happens with this lynch, assassins are obligated to hit him. Town vigi's might hit him, mafia might hit him. No matter what, he dies. Who in their right mind, would operate on a plan thats only gain is to get in office. Factor in that he ran for Pardoner. A role that in the hands of an anti town player would lead to potential disaster. Now, normally with all this evidence stacked against someone, you would LaL policy. But since the consensus is that he is an assassin, he gets to live (seriously the fuck?) based on him dying at night. Ok say he dies in the night, that still makes me wonder. Why are we lynching the target of a liar? The target who's alignment can be easily proven by a dt/vig. If he's legit, mafia have to waste shots shooting a veteran, if hes mafia he dies. However, lynching based on the word of a known liar / word of an anti town is simply stupid. Now you would think this would lead to a day of scumhunting. Instead the people who are challenging this obviously anti town movement are viewed as scum. Are you guys seriously not following this? Step back and think this through. But now its too late for that. You have let a third party derail the thread for an entire day while getting no closer to actually lynching anyone. Its up to me to save you from yourselves again. I'm not going to allow a lynch led by anti-town forces go through. No chance in hell. If you persist in this you leave me no choice. You wanted an interdependent mayor and pardoner, you got them, if town persists with this stupidity I will pardon coag, and see the assassin flip tonight, when he flips black you will thank me. I've discovered I'm tired of fighting for sheep. Become wolves or let them devour you. | ||
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GMarshal
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I'm done discussing, you have till midnight to reconsider. ##Unvote: Coagulation ##Vote: Airblade Orange | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:47 kitaman27 wrote: GMarshal, if you pardon, you are guaranteed to get lynched tomorrow. Don't even think about it. I'm not letting the assassin win. Hang me if you must. I ran on policy and principles. I will uphold those now. FIGHT FOR THE TOWN! | ||
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On April 15 2011 10:51 LSB wrote: Don't pardon. Let coag die, it will green me and you, and red Flamewheel I'm not willing to be reasonable about this. I am sticking to my guns, if it means I die then so fucking be it. See you in hell fw! I do not lynch on the words of someone who is anti town I do not follow a liar I will not allow the town to do the same while it is in my power to prevent it. This isn't about weather or not coag is scum, I dont give a damn if protac guessed right. This is about fighting for my principles And I will be damned, to the pits of hell, if I go back on my principles. | ||
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At least I will have played correctly. Sometimes its about more than just winning. | ||
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On April 15 2011 11:18 kitaman27 wrote: Are you trying to get on Ver's "TL Mafia Quiz" or something, because this is not the way you do it. No, the thought didn't even cross my mind. I am not stupid, there are reasons behind what I am doing | ||
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On April 15 2011 11:22 Protactinium wrote: How hypocritical! To you its all about winning. Pardoning is anti-town. That's a principle. Yet you're willing to break it. The reasons for LAL are usually bad. Just look at how you played in XXXVII. And now you decide you're the one who has the moral authority to teach town how to play? Lol. Although I guess since you're mafia I can accept this more as a "I want to win" rather than actual advice. Please try not to pass it off that way though. You'll give people the wrong impression. You will *not* talk to me about principle. Not you. | ||
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My policy is fuck over cheaters and then worry about my win condition, screw LaL, screw survival. When people cheated the game stopped mattering. ##Pardon: AirbladeOrange. Goodnight, sweethearts, I hope the taste of victory snatched away from you is as bitter as the taste of having the game ruined is for me | ||
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I played more pro-town this game than when I'm town. But you people are blind GG | ||
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On April 15 2011 13:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He tried to pardon himself based on a loophole in the rhetoric of the pardoner description. A literal interpretation of the rules. Save it for the postgame. | ||
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On April 20 2011 02:38 bumatlarge wrote: Oh dude, steam account > bum_at_large Add me broski [spectral voice] Solace19 on steam [/spectral voice] | ||
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On April 21 2011 11:24 ilovejonn wrote: Still 3 hours til night. This is getting boring fast. [spectral voice] this is why you don't lynch me, I keep things interesting!  [/spectral voice] | ||
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GMarshal
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Anyway, I dont mind the screwup with the pardoner, mistakes happen, the important part of it is that we learn from them. If its any consolation, I like this new pardoner quite a bit, and I'd like to see it in another game, its fun to have in there, although I'd prefer that it lynch the runner up rather than end the day entirely. Also, awards to chaoser for having me pegged from the start, DropBear and AO for trying hard for me, which is not always easy in a situation as demoralizing as this my lynch seemed day two, and an award to bum for being a battle-medic, I was convinced you were a vet trying to get me to shoot you. Either way gg wp. Its a shame my first run as a mafia team leader ended up with my team being crushed. EDIT: Huge thanks to BC for advising me thought, his advice and guidance kept me from messing up any worse than I did | ||
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On April 24 2011 12:42 Jackal58 wrote: I had you and Coag both pegged. And then Proact totally fucked over my ability to proceed. I simply could not go along with a liar with 3rd party motivations. Damnation he pissed me off. If he had picked anybody but Coag. Coag wanted me to lynch you if I got mayor and shoot you night one otherwise, I thought it a poor idea. As far as allying with the assassin, I couldn't understand how any townie in his right mind could even think of it, it was just mindboggling that an assassin got *any* support, at all. | ||
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On April 24 2011 12:49 kitaman27 wrote: I'm still kinda confused on how the pardoner ability was supposed to work. It said in the description the pardoner was not immune to lynch, but from how BrownBear described it, it sounds like it would be impossible to lynch the pardoner with his pardon in hand. Just curious, why the dt claim? Did you have plans for it? Seems tough to pull off. I needed to prove 100% protac was lying, and that seemed to me the only way I could "know" that was how DTs worked, and yes I had plans for the DT claim, including bussing one of our team members and proceeding to lead the town in circles. Really though my only mildly successful plan was "clearing" AO by accusing him multiple times | ||
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On April 24 2011 12:53 chaoser wrote: I'd rather have an assassin in office and have control over his KP/check over a red. Simple as that And this is where I disagree, you have no control over his KP or his check, he is going to use them however he damn well pleases, what are you going to do if he dosn't follow your orders? lynch him? Thats a wasted town kp which you *need* to use on scum, not on 100% guaranteed not mafia. Thats why I thought it was utter madness , you just ensured 3 kp are going to play out with no way of controlling them, more likely than not they'll end up hitting lurking blues. | ||
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On April 24 2011 14:34 AirbladeOrange wrote: GM - Thanks for pushing to get me lynched so hard. It probably helped me survive as long as I did with good town cred. I figured I'd either get you lynched before I died and then I'd be able to use it for town cred "see I've been trying to get him lynched since day 1, since when does mafia tunnel on teammates?" or I'd die before I got you killed and then you'd look good In retrospect I'm glad I died first, I hate bussing teammates ^_^ | ||
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