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On April 12 2011 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:00 Kavdragon wrote:
I will say it again, there is absolutely no way that someone of his caliber of player would make a mistake and lynch someone who is a veteran player, a known scum hunter, and an active (but not spammy) voice in this game.
Dr.Helvetica is Scum. Lynch him. voice of absolutely zero contribution scum hunting all you've done is defend yourself (badly) and you ignore obvious occurrences like the pandain fiasco and really only seem concerned about your image, not whats happening in the town if you are green i hope you take some time to seriously reevaulate your town play
also this is a classic mafia technique meant to fool town into pussying out of a lynch
"well if he was mafia he would just shut up and die right?"
nah. if you're mafia you insist to the bitter end that the person who wagoned you is scum and that when you die and flip green/blue town better lynch them. because it sows seeds of doubt. it's a technique that a real townie wouldn't use, they know that just becuase someone got a wrong read it doesn't mean they are scum and very rarely use this kind of chainsaw/OMGUS defense at the last minute
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On April 12 2011 14:02 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:01 Kenpachi wrote:On April 12 2011 14:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:59 kitaman27 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Kenpachi
dude seriously oh wait i forgot you're an assassin so you don't really care whats best for town huh  whats best for town is a fit leader. KENPACHI FOR MAYOR.. too late  I tried my best Kenpachi. lol am I your secret assassin suspect DrH? <3
i think it's
you/protactinium/coagulation
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On April 12 2011 14:03 GMarshal wrote:
The fuck?
Dr.H won, right? At least I kept the assassin out of office and made sure the pardoner wasn't in the hands of scum. I'll consider that a victory.
And you're 100% sure I'm not scum why? You speak so assuredly :3
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##Lynch Kavdragon
execute kill whatever
lynch him and get the night started.
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On April 12 2011 14:05 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 14:00 Kavdragon wrote:
I will say it again, there is absolutely no way that someone of his caliber of player would make a mistake and lynch someone who is a veteran player, a known scum hunter, and an active (but not spammy) voice in this game.
Dr.Helvetica is Scum. Lynch him. voice of absolutely zero contribution scum hunting all you've done is defend yourself (badly) and you ignore obvious occurrences like the pandain fiasco and really only seem concerned about your image, not whats happening in the town if you are green i hope you take some time to seriously reevaulate your town play also this is a classic mafia technique meant to fool town into pussying out of a lynch "well if he was mafia he would just shut up and die right?" nah. if you're mafia you insist to the bitter end that the person who wagoned you is scum and that when you die and flip green/blue town better lynch them. because it sows seeds of doubt. it's a technique that a real townie wouldn't use, they know that just becuase someone got a wrong read it doesn't mean they are scum and very rarely use this kind of chainsaw/OMGUS defense at the last minute Yo. You got elected. Are you going to lynch me? Go on. Confirm me as town. You fail at reads if you still think I'm mafia. But you don't think I'm mafia, because I'm not on your team.
terrible attempts at psyching me out
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if you're green i'm really disappointed after all the advice i've given you 
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and im gonna yell at you in pms too
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Oh well, I don't know what the fuck he was thinking with his posting. Time to reevaluate and move on. This game is built on the assumption that a townie is lynched day 1 but this is a big confidence loss for me.
But we're even more screwed if I get too upset about this. It is what it is.
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On April 12 2011 14:09 OriginalName wrote:
Good fucking job DrH Fucking amazing
Thanks
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On April 12 2011 14:11 Foolishness wrote:
If someone could find me a good picture of a facepalm I would be most grateful. The reward will include cookies.
the reason i quit tl mafia is because of the two times me vs youngminii ended up in two townie deaths
if that happens again i'll probably ragequit forever. i hate it when shit like this happens but I mean I guess it's the likely outcome. One of the bigger reasons I don't like the mayor position is it gives the mafia someone to blame for what is the most likely outcome anyway - lynching a townie on the first day.
All we can do now is reevaluate whatever information we have. Playing the blame game isn't getting us anywhere. If your only reason for thinking I'm scum is I picked a non-mafia out of 40 people to lynch, then maybe you should keep it to yourself.
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On April 12 2011 14:14 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:11 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Is anyone besides Dr. H actually surprised? Not in tge slightest Extreme Finger of Suspicion: DocterHelvetica
have any other reasons other than i picked a wrong lynch on day 1 like happens in 99% of games anyway? might as well get that out of the way before people make the mistake of paying attention to you
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On April 12 2011 14:16 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:14 Protactinium wrote:On April 12 2011 14:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Oh well, I don't know what the fuck he was thinking with his posting. Time to reevaluate and move on. This game is built on the assumption that a townie is lynched day 1 but this is a big confidence loss for me.
But we're even more screwed if I get too upset about this. It is what it is.
Dont worry man there'll be some good surprises for us. Let's get this game started. And I still believe you are innocent because mafia would never have dared attempt that in the first place. Anyone who suspects him for that flip should heavily consider that. Thats total WIFOM Mafia could expect that and go for a really ballsy move to kill off a very pro-town player
WIFOM works both ways though. So it doesn't help your argument any.
In fact all behavioral analysis is on some level WIFOM. I hate overuse of WIFOM because it discourages people from thinking.
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On April 12 2011 14:17 Coagulation wrote:
why the fuck did you lynch Kav
Jesus christ i fucking told you it was a shit move.
And im not a fucking assassin. try again.
yeah my mistake for not listening to someone who posts their ideas in all caps with no reasoning and just tries in general to stir shit up as much as possible all the time
hey man at least I know when to get my head in the game and try to post reasonably
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On April 12 2011 14:19 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 14:02 kitaman27 wrote:On April 12 2011 14:01 Kenpachi wrote:On April 12 2011 14:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:59 kitaman27 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Kenpachi
dude seriously oh wait i forgot you're an assassin so you don't really care whats best for town huh whats best for town is a fit leader. KENPACHI FOR MAYOR.. too late I tried my best Kenpachi. lol am I your secret assassin suspect DrH? <3 i think it's you/protactinium/coagulation Earlier you laughed at the idea of calling for a vig shot for me. Calling me an assassin is essentially the same, if not worse. You mentioned that your secret assassin suspect made a slip. Would you care to reveal that?
Can you quote that post directly? I was referring to eiii who after reconsideration I no longer believe is the assassin.
No it is very different because a vig hit is a waste of a town KP.
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On April 12 2011 14:22 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 14:16 OriginalName wrote:On April 12 2011 14:14 Protactinium wrote:On April 12 2011 14:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Oh well, I don't know what the fuck he was thinking with his posting. Time to reevaluate and move on. This game is built on the assumption that a townie is lynched day 1 but this is a big confidence loss for me.
But we're even more screwed if I get too upset about this. It is what it is.
Dont worry man there'll be some good surprises for us. Let's get this game started. And I still believe you are innocent because mafia would never have dared attempt that in the first place. Anyone who suspects him for that flip should heavily consider that. Thats total WIFOM Mafia could expect that and go for a really ballsy move to kill off a very pro-town player WIFOM works both ways though. So it doesn't help your argument any. In fact all behavioral analysis is on some level WIFOM. I hate overuse of WIFOM because it discourages people from thinking. i hate WIFOM as much as the next guy but really when you kill somebody who made an arguement against you it doesnt help you much. Also im sorry for my conduct earlier Im kinda biased towards kav from Insane 2 and figured the two styles just didnt line up for me to consider him scum but I still shouldnt of raged like that. Im still on the fence about you but really dont go balls to the walls on what can be valuble town assets as mayor next time.
I'm actually glad I didn't second guess myself. I was wrong but I've spent my entire "scumhunting" career never sticking to my guns and this kind of confidence is going to make me dangerous when I tighten my analysis up, I think.
Since I know I'm town I'm incredibly wary of anyone who goes out of their way to defame me. That is kind of the lynchpin of why I dislike Barundar's posting in this game. I sort of use it as a jjumping point, because I know the mafia want me out of this game.
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On April 12 2011 14:25 Barundar wrote:
Let's day one lynch one of the best analysts in the game on day 1 because he post too much advice! Ooops sry guis, lol!
laugh it up cause I'm asking to lynch you next :3
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It is night. I will now cease posting because I don't like talking at night. I will post this baseline advice once more. Detectives should read this carefully and heed it well.
On April 12 2011 08:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:yeah im feeling really bad about redFF right now but what purpose doeshe really have to tunnel ON and m0nsterchef so hard if he's mafia. his actions don't really make sense from either alignment to me (but I assume everyone is good, my main error) but he's made a lot of points I agree with so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. IMO redFF would make a great DT check. Here's one of the few times I'll give advice for blues in this game. DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS i accidentally hit enter woops DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS INSTEAD:Let's say you investigate your target and you get a hit! They're scum! Well, is it time to roleclaim and reveal your results? Hell fucking no it is not. If you do that you will die and now have no worth in the late game.But DrH! I can just request constant medic protection!And now the medics are busy protecting you and not someone else who is gonna get hit. If the mafia know for sure who medics will protect, it doesn't reduce their KP. You WANT the mafia to hit those targets, you WANT them to guess wrongly about where medics are going. Ok so what do you do with your result? Well go look at their posts. Go to their profile, go to their posts, and read fucking eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything they've posted. Come up with a case. Now you have the confidence to call them out, use their posts as evidence and support. Now take your case and sit on it for a while. Because some good townie (or another DT) will probably FoS that person. This is a great jumping off point for you to introduce your case. If there is already suspicion, let that suspicion grow, add fuel to the fire, then introduce your stronger points (the fact that they are scum is made much more obvious in your posting now that you have your check for confidence) and make a strong case during this aggression to nail the lynch. If YOU cold start the bandwagon and are really the only one making all these great points, the mafia is thinking "Well I guess we found our DT" and you're dead. If you're lucky you get medic protection but if the mafia is sure you're the DT I wouldn't be surprised if they doublestacked. I don't suggest using code/hints/breadcrumbs because the mafia can decipher this juuuuuuuuust as easily as the town can. In fact, they can decipher it better because they are in contact with each other.
MEDICS
Don't protect protact, that's all.
WATCHERS -
Go for people you think will be hit. If you are a fucking genius and think you can predict the roleblocker then go for that, but stick with that. Pretend you are a medic.
TRACKER -
Go for people you think are scum. Your job is NOT TO CONFIRM BLUES. Your job is to track scum targets and see if they are implicated in someones death.
If a mafia is tracked, will he automatically show up as "visiting" someone who was killed? Can you elaborate as MUCH as possible on how mafia kills are determined?
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On April 12 2011 14:34 kevconsim wrote:
i have an idea
Watch protact so that if someone kills him you can out that they are assasins so there are less random kp's in the game.
read the rules again
this is an impossiblity
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On April 12 2011 14:38 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:It is night. I will now cease posting because I don't like talking at night. I will post this baseline advice once more. Detectives should read this carefully and heed it well. On April 12 2011 08:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:yeah im feeling really bad about redFF right now but what purpose doeshe really have to tunnel ON and m0nsterchef so hard if he's mafia. his actions don't really make sense from either alignment to me (but I assume everyone is good, my main error) but he's made a lot of points I agree with so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. IMO redFF would make a great DT check. Here's one of the few times I'll give advice for blues in this game. DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS i accidentally hit enter woops DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS INSTEAD:Let's say you investigate your target and you get a hit! They're scum! Well, is it time to roleclaim and reveal your results? Hell fucking no it is not. If you do that you will die and now have no worth in the late game.But DrH! I can just request constant medic protection!And now the medics are busy protecting you and not someone else who is gonna get hit. If the mafia know for sure who medics will protect, it doesn't reduce their KP. You WANT the mafia to hit those targets, you WANT them to guess wrongly about where medics are going. Ok so what do you do with your result? Well go look at their posts. Go to their profile, go to their posts, and read fucking eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything they've posted. Come up with a case. Now you have the confidence to call them out, use their posts as evidence and support. Now take your case and sit on it for a while. Because some good townie (or another DT) will probably FoS that person. This is a great jumping off point for you to introduce your case. If there is already suspicion, let that suspicion grow, add fuel to the fire, then introduce your stronger points (the fact that they are scum is made much more obvious in your posting now that you have your check for confidence) and make a strong case during this aggression to nail the lynch. If YOU cold start the bandwagon and are really the only one making all these great points, the mafia is thinking "Well I guess we found our DT" and you're dead. If you're lucky you get medic protection but if the mafia is sure you're the DT I wouldn't be surprised if they doublestacked. I don't suggest using code/hints/breadcrumbs because the mafia can decipher this juuuuuuuuust as easily as the town can. In fact, they can decipher it better because they are in contact with each other. MEDICS Don't protect protact, that's all. WATCHERS - Go for people you think will be hit. If you are a fucking genius and think you can predict the roleblocker then go for that, but stick with that. Pretend you are a medic. TRACKER - Go for people you think are scum. Your job is NOT TO CONFIRM BLUES. Your job is to track scum targets and see if they are implicated in someones death. If a mafia is tracked, will he automatically show up as "visiting" someone who was killed? Can you elaborate as MUCH as possible on how mafia kills are determined? One mafia will visit each of the targets they kill. Roleblockers will visit who they roleblock.
So that means there are a certain amount of mafia who are "idle" at night correct?
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Bumatlarge makes good points against Gmarshal and rereading Barundar's posts, his meta read on me is pretty valid. Although I disagree, he has no way of knowing what I'm thinking or reading my mind so I would probably think the same thing if I were him. There are a few of his posts that I thought were scummy and I'll point them out.
I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that.
This is my conflict:
Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually.
But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles.
That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction.
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