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On April 12 2011 13:34 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:32 chaoser wrote:
GM, who are you lynching again if you're elected mayor? Not ON but airbladeorange? I'll let you choose, which one do you think is a better lynch? AO's posts are coming off as super scummy to me, but I have a personal bias towards ON as I liked him when we were a scumteam in factory mafia, and I think he is playing his usual poor town game.
I'm purple on airbladeorange. I wish we could PM each other but could you post a full case for him please? He's one of the few players I haven't analysed fully and if your case is good I'd consider lynching him over Bdar.
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On April 12 2011 13:34 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:32 jaminz wrote:
I realize I've been inactive for pretty much the entire game so far, and I don't really have a great excuse other than that I've been a bit busy lately. However, I'm working my way through the thread right now, and plan to be completely caught up by the end of the night.
I've only played one game of Mafia before (Haunted Mafia this past Halloween - put on by Doctor H), so I'm still fairly new to the game, but I'm doing what I can to take everything in. Thanks in advance for everyone being patient with me. Claims he needs to catch up. Voted DrH hours in advance
proof im scum
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My socks are pretty warm right now.
Well as far as I see it, there was a switch off Gmarshal to me (bandwagon gets split) and at the last second it goes back to GMarshal giving him the small push he needs to be mayor.
This is exactly how i ran my first scum mayor campaign. This is a WIFOM argument but if you think I'm scum because people switched votes to me, you should think GMarshal is scum for the same reason ; /
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On April 12 2011 13:38 Kavdragon wrote:
Dr.H, GMarshal and Aidnai have all said that I have been acting scummy.
This is based off of posts that stated obvious facts in an atempt to make not obvious things obvious to newer players. This IS helpful to the town. I will say it again, it is pro-town. It does NOT mean that I am town because I post it however. Scum can say stuff like that too. It does NOT mean that I am scum though. To this point in the game, those posts are the reason people have called me scum.
However, the stances I have taken, against Protact and Dr.H, are both definetly pro-town. Even Dr.H adimited that I had a good point when I told him to cool down with his posting. An Assassin in office has some upsides, but not enough to cover the down sides/risks. (Like a high likelihood of the assassin actually being scum)
I have played pro town this game. I'm not referring to my posts for noobs. I'm referring to my stances against Dr.H's aggressive and alienating play, my overall direction and goals for the town, and to some extent my stance against Protact.
I'm not 100% sure that GMarshal is town, but right now, it's him, Dr.H or Protact. That still not enough people running to keep Dr.H and Protact out of office. I'm still running for mayor. Laugh at me if you want, but look at my play, think for yourselves, and you'll see that it's not a ridiculous idea.
Again you contributed nothing with this post. The only goal of this post is to make yourself look as pro-town as possible when in fact I stated I was considering NOT lynching you, when most people have been supporting you, and I've fallen behind in the mayoral race.
I find it funny that you said those kind of posts you immediately realized are the best scumtell and that you'd stop doing them and start contributing, and now you're back with this kind of BS. It's really obvious kav.
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On April 12 2011 13:40 Kenpachi wrote:
THEN LYNCH HIM DrH?
why you lynch Barundar.
Kavdragon has 1 post that came off as pro-town to me whereas Barundar has 0 and I am also pretty sure is scum.
The difference is if I'm wrong about Barundar, it's no huge loss to town. Kavdragon is a potential power player. The problem is not getting him now means he can probably weasel his way out of future lynches (see Pandain in Insane Mafia 1) .
So I'm a bit conflicted at the moment.
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On April 12 2011 13:43 Protactinium wrote:
It's very interesting to see how much panic there is at the thought of me getting office. I'm not the serial killer lol, I don't have to kill the town to lose. If I'm in office I actually want to lower mafia KP because I don't want my bodyguards dying because when that happens it's game over. But things are always a little deeper than they appear at the surface.
If you think about it, you'll actually find that really there isn't any way I can effectively screw town and win. So the only question is, will I screw over the town just because? No that would be stupid because playing against your win condition is a modkill offense. So basically your only other argument against me is that I might screw up the endgame (chaoser proved that was nonsense). Now, as I have established that I have no reason not to cooperate with the town, the question is, what does the town get from me being in office? Simple.
First of all, there is no suspicion against me of being mafia so you won't mislynch me. I won't even bother addressing anyone who insinuates that. Please consult a coach if you really think that and take whatever they say as the word of god. Secondly, you get 2 extra vigi shots and a fully public DT check, which totally breaks the blue balance (I imagine we should use them as a second lynch type vote during the day and I would shoot the highest pick). Town gets those benefits and loses what? The pardoner office dies when I leave the game? Who cares, town doesn't need pardoner.
Look closely at what people are saying. The anti-Protact rhetoric is inflammatory, panicky, and illogical.
no man coagulation is the paragon of logic and cool
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On April 12 2011 13:44 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:34 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 13:32 chaoser wrote:
GM, who are you lynching again if you're elected mayor? Not ON but airbladeorange? I'll let you choose, which one do you think is a better lynch? AO's posts are coming off as super scummy to me, but I have a personal bias towards ON as I liked him when we were a scumteam in factory mafia, and I think he is playing his usual poor town game. I'm purple on airbladeorange. I wish we could PM each other but could you post a full case for him please? He's one of the few players I haven't analysed fully and if your case is good I'd consider lynching him over Bdar. Oh man, I would LOVE to see your "full" analyses of everyone else Dr.H. I know that I may not have been playing the most obviously pro town game per say, but there's no f'ing way that after analyzing everyone, that I am your #1 scum read. I know you're better than that.
Yeah you're the most obvious followed by Barundar
You're the only 2 I feel really good about after Day 1. On my purple list (leaning toward mafia/assassin) i have coagulation chaoser redFF and metalface
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On April 12 2011 13:45 GMarshal wrote:
Dr.H the abridged version of my case since it isn't written out. Votes for me becuase I am "flashy" and have pics in my campaign, proposes you as a lynch target which I think is unwaranted, wants you to kill him, which to me seems like the argument a scum would try to pull to look either town or stupid. he throws around some wifom arguments about what it means if you were not elected and got hit by scum. Argues against hitting inactives/lurkers and most of his posts scream filler at me, his post about the mayoral candidates is substanceless yet long. The other bulk of his posts want to lynch m0nster or ON, which was an easy thing to ask for .
He just strikes me as scum.
Sorry for not actually writing it PbP, no time
Yeah I thought his village idiot claim was very strange, seemed like he's trying to play that "Oh I'm too crazy to be mafia!" sort of card.
Also I'm not happy about the people tunneling ON/m0nster, meaning mostly redFF although now there is a link with AO. I'll give his posts a look-see.
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On April 12 2011 13:47 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:38 Kavdragon wrote:
Dr.H, GMarshal and Aidnai have all said that I have been acting scummy.
This is based off of posts that stated obvious facts in an atempt to make not obvious things obvious to newer players. This IS helpful to the town. I will say it again, it is pro-town. It does NOT mean that I am town because I post it however. Scum can say stuff like that too. It does NOT mean that I am scum though. To this point in the game, those posts are the reason people have called me scum.
However, the stances I have taken, against Protact and Dr.H, are both definetly pro-town. Even Dr.H adimited that I had a good point when I told him to cool down with his posting. An Assassin in office has some upsides, but not enough to cover the down sides/risks. (Like a high likelihood of the assassin actually being scum)
I have played pro town this game. I'm not referring to my posts for noobs. I'm referring to my stances against Dr.H's aggressive and alienating play, my overall direction and goals for the town, and to some extent my stance against Protact.
I'm not 100% sure that GMarshal is town, but right now, it's him, Dr.H or Protact. That still not enough people running to keep Dr.H and Protact out of office. I'm still running for mayor. Laugh at me if you want, but look at my play, think for yourselves, and you'll see that it's not a ridiculous idea. Again you contributed nothing with this post. The only goal of this post is to make yourself look as pro-town as possible when in fact I stated I was considering NOT lynching you, when most people have been supporting you, and I've fallen behind in the mayoral race. I find it funny that you said those kind of posts you immediately realized are the best scumtell and that you'd stop doing them and start contributing, and now you're back with this kind of BS. It's really obvious kav. You're missing the point entirely, and I did contribute with it. I said I'm not happy with two of the three candidates that we have. Since we have to pick two, I'm going to run because I don't want you OR Protact in office.
Because you think both of us are mafia. I also know you're not bad enough at this game to get a red read on me, so that just makes me more sure tbh : /
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Well it's pretty obvious at this point protact isn't getting anywhere. I think you should vote for me chaoser. It's too late at this point for a significant shift from Gmarshal -> protact to put me and him in the lead. If you don't trust him your best bet is to cut your losses and ensure he doesn't get mayor.
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On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote:
Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake.
Well it's because you don't really post anything else and now you only show up out of NOWHERE to defend yourself as soon as your name is brought up again. That doesn't look good for you, just sayin.
But kavdragon is the real problem here
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On April 12 2011 13:52 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:44 Kavdragon wrote:On April 12 2011 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:34 GMarshal wrote:On April 12 2011 13:32 chaoser wrote:
GM, who are you lynching again if you're elected mayor? Not ON but airbladeorange? I'll let you choose, which one do you think is a better lynch? AO's posts are coming off as super scummy to me, but I have a personal bias towards ON as I liked him when we were a scumteam in factory mafia, and I think he is playing his usual poor town game. I'm purple on airbladeorange. I wish we could PM each other but could you post a full case for him please? He's one of the few players I haven't analysed fully and if your case is good I'd consider lynching him over Bdar. Oh man, I would LOVE to see your "full" analyses of everyone else Dr.H. I know that I may not have been playing the most obviously pro town game per say, but there's no f'ing way that after analyzing everyone, that I am your #1 scum read. I know you're better than that. Yeah you're the most obvious followed by Barundar You're the only 2 I feel really good about after Day 1. On my purple list (leaning toward mafia/assassin) i have coagulation chaoser redFF and metalface I didn't ask for your scum list, or your purple list. You very clearly said that you had "full" analyses on almost every player. I call BS. I want to see it. Not a list of your reads, Analysis. You are talking about lynching a player when you haven't done analysis. No one who lynches without analysis should be mayor.
When did I imply I had anything written down. I've looked at most players entire post historys and placed them in a color coded list based on my conclusions. I did this in the early afternoon today.
Analysis is when you break information into smaller parts to gain a better understanding of it. That's what I did when I read peoples entire posting histories. You've come back with more scummy posts so I think I'll just end up lynching you anywho. And I've already made my analysis and case on you, so you can't really complain there.
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On April 12 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well it's pretty obvious at this point protact isn't getting anywhere. I think you should vote for me chaoser. It's too late at this point for a significant shift from Gmarshal -> protact to put me and him in the lead. If you don't trust him your best bet is to cut your losses and ensure he doesn't get mayor. I will do no such thing. Prot is, in my opinion, the best choice and I intend to stick by it. He's making great arguments and people are drowning him out with hyperbola and inflammatory rhetoric. I'm calling the bullshit out. He's explained the situation and it makes logical sense. People come in throwing out hate and a mud slinging campaign against him saying "HE'S BLACK HE'S BLACK BLACKKKKKK" to scare all the newbies into not voting him when his positive far outweigh his negatives (Already said this multiple times)
And it's very doubtfully going to happen. Unless 2 switch off gmarshal onto me and all the random voters go to protact. I can respect that you are sticking to your convictions though.
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On April 12 2011 13:55 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote:
Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. Well it's because you don't really post anything else and now you only show up out of NOWHERE to defend yourself as soon as your name is brought up again. That doesn't look good for you, just sayin. But kavdragon is the real problem here I dare you to lynch me. You are so sure that I'm mafia, eh? I know you won't. You know why? Because you're mafia. There's no need to lynch me and draw suspicion on yourself when you can just kill me tonight.
I promise I will lynch you if I am elected mafia and if I go back I encourage the town to lynch me for it.
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On April 12 2011 13:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:55 Kavdragon wrote:On April 12 2011 13:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote:
Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. Well it's because you don't really post anything else and now you only show up out of NOWHERE to defend yourself as soon as your name is brought up again. That doesn't look good for you, just sayin. But kavdragon is the real problem here I dare you to lynch me. You are so sure that I'm mafia, eh? I know you won't. You know why? Because you're mafia. There's no need to lynch me and draw suspicion on yourself when you can just kill me tonight. I promise I will lynch you if I am elected mafia and if I go back I encourage the town to lynch me for it.
lol elected mayor not mafia
inb4 people try to read that as a "scum slip" because they are stupid
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gmarshal you admit you're bad at scumhunting so can you trust me and just lynch kavdragon or at least barundar
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On April 12 2011 13:58 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:55 Kavdragon wrote:On April 12 2011 13:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote:
Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. Well it's because you don't really post anything else and now you only show up out of NOWHERE to defend yourself as soon as your name is brought up again. That doesn't look good for you, just sayin. But kavdragon is the real problem here I dare you to lynch me. You are so sure that I'm mafia, eh? I know you won't. You know why? Because you're mafia. There's no need to lynch me and draw suspicion on yourself when you can just kill me tonight. I promise I will lynch you if I am elected mafia and if I go back I encourage the town to lynch me for it. Unvote: GMarshal
Vote: Dr.HelveticaI do this because I know that I don't have the time or the skill to argue with Dr.H. He's really good with words. Don't let him out of this one, town. Lynch him tomorrow.
on what case
the terrible one you made? lol if you're trying to scare me out of this it isn't going to work.
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On April 12 2011 13:58 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 13:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
gmarshal you admit you're bad at scumhunting so can you trust me and just lynch kavdragon or at least barundar Sticking to my guns, AO is scum and I will kill him, I thought you wanted an independent mayor, Dr.H?
Can't argue with that.
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On April 12 2011 13:59 kitaman27 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Kenpachi
dude seriously
oh wait i forgot you're an assassin so you don't really care whats best for town huh 
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On April 12 2011 14:00 Kavdragon wrote:
I will say it again, there is absolutely no way that someone of his caliber of player would make a mistake and lynch someone who is a veteran player, a known scum hunter, and an active (but not spammy) voice in this game.
Dr.Helvetica is Scum. Lynch him.
voice of absolutely zero contribution scum hunting
all you've done is defend yourself (badly) and you ignore obvious occurrences like the pandain fiasco and really only seem concerned about your image, not whats happening in the town
if you are green i hope you take some time to seriously reevaulate your town play
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