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On March 13 2011 03:45 OriginalName wrote: /in FOR AUTOLYNCHING JUSTICE Hey, I have an idea! I can run for mayor, and then lynch you day one! | ||
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Edit: Saw the FAQ. Thanks. | ||
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On March 16 2011 06:24 Amber[LighT] wrote: Can I get in on this? My spring break went to shit so I need something to do lol Oh good. Haven't seen you around for a while. | ||
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On March 16 2011 08:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: quick someone get Ver set up on the NASL page so we can vote for him! I actually already tried this. It's awaiting mod approval. On March 16 2011 09:59 Jackal58 wrote: We tried that once. He pulled a bait and switch on us and we ended up lynching the pope. It was an awkward moment in Vatican City. Lol, you and Kita... | ||
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Anyone who doesn't keep up the level of activity that they have shown pre-game will receive my wrath. Also, whoever said that this wouldn't reach the amount of pre-game spam as RoL's game? I'm pretty sure this just blew that record out of office. I will announce my possible campaign upon receiving my role PM. + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2011 06:57 Mr. Wiggles wrote: If I am elected mayor, I promise to cut taxes while increasing public spending. I also propose a system of complete transparency except where this may interfere with National Security*. In addition to Top Hats, I will also promise you monocles, canes, fine suits, cigars, and alcohol of your choosing. Also, everyone gets cake and kittens. Any questions, or should I walk into my office? + Show Spoiler + * Decided at mayor's discretion Most tempting campaign yet. | ||
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Let's have a preemptive hour of silence in memory, honor, remembrance, reverence, and memory of All. + Show Spoiler + See what I did there? + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2011 10:05 Mr. Wiggles wrote: IT'S A TRAP!!!! Only one more person can post or we have to wait another day! On March 24 2011 10:11 iGrok wrote: Kavdragon lynch d1 anyone? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/kvwfv.jpg) | ||
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Dear Liquidia Four score and seven minutes ago our hosts brought forth in this fourm a new thread conceived in awesomeness and dedicated to the proposition that all men should post a lot. Now we are engaged in a great Mafia game testing whether this thread, or any thread so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great postingfield in honor of previous games. We have come to dedicate a portion of this thread as a final resting-place for those who here were active that that thier game might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, posting and dead, who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The TL Mafia forum will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this thread under Node and LSB shall have a new birth of activity, and that my mayorship of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the thread. Now we must move onward, with the memory of these invaluable players emrasened in out minds. But who will lead us to that play that glorious and active game? I humbly submit myself to the public office, willing to server the thread, of the actives, by the actives, and for the actives. Under my leadership, the attacks of the enemy will be rebuffed, the confusion sown by the mafia will be scilence! Inactivity banished, and analysis rewarded! I stand for a town, united in activity and lynches for all scum! So come to my banner fellow Liquidians, let us run a race that will likely be quickly forgotten! Vote for activity! Vote for Scumhunting! Vote for Victory! Vote for KAV! Be convinced, if not by my words, then by the words of those who came before me. If not by words than by the pictured I created for the occasion. If not by pictures, then by the epic music I wrote! + Show Spoiler [Text Endorsments] + From my last game: (I was mayor) On February 11 2011 10:49 Jackal58 wrote: My life for you Kav. On February 11 2011 11:46 GMarshal wrote: I vote Kav for MVP this game On February 11 2011 11:49 LSB wrote: Kav too. On February 11 2011 11:51 OriginalName wrote: Kav MVP On February 11 2011 14:15 bumatlarge wrote: Kav was the MVP by far. No one on town came close, and without him, we would still be in the game, everyone would have though me a DT still and I think it would be lylo. On February 11 2011 15:59 Barundar wrote: Town MVP: KavDragon. Ballsy to run mayor as medic! + Show Spoiler [Pictoral Endorsmants] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rYprY.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uPQtV.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xP1gN.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xk6JX.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CzzTt.jpg) + Show Spoiler [Music] + Vote for Victory. Vote for Kav. | ||
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First order of business: COAG! WILL YOU BE MY BFF? Second order of business: Jackal, I had town select the vote day one when I was a blue mayor. It's not scummy. Yes, it makes it easier for scum to influence it, but the mayor needs to be very, very transparent so that the town can analyse him/her. Thus, letting the town weigh in on the lynch keeps the mayor honest. | ||
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Kav's opinions and advice: Round 1 Analysis, analysis, analysis. Insane is perhaps the most themed game of themed games, and there are going to be a lot of really weird roles and such. Because of this analysis won't be quite as effective as it usually is, BUT this in NOT an excuse to not do it. I repeat: ANALYSIS IS NECESSARY. NOT OPTIONAL. Inactives: We are hurt by townies (and blues) going inactive more than ever in this game, because everyone has a role. The stakes are higher, so PLEASE stay active. Not spammy, but active. Mayor: Bum, this is directed at you. Your campaign revolves around making sure that the mayor does not fall into the wrong hands. This is evidenced by the fact that you are selling your self as blue, and having a circle of confirmed persons. You are NOT selling your scum hunting abilities. You are taking a very passive approach by using the mayoral protection for a blue. The problem is, we need active scum hunters. The game is won with analysis and scum hunting, NOT blues. As per the advice of the vet's in the previous game, Mafia will likely be shooting for the active leaders of the town, not blues. Thus the protection would be better given to them. I'm not saying that I doubt your townie-ness, but I am saying that the mayor needs to be a leader, and a good analyst. If you can step up to the plate and deliver those things I'll throw my vote in behind you, but so far you've not shown great analysis. The fact that you didn't see this problem with your plan, and revealed yourself that way is evidence that you are not analyzing things very well. Because of this, I'm keeping my name in the pool. One more thing to be very careful with is the confirmed townies. Don't get me wrong, this is a good thing, but only if it's used the right way. There have been countless games where people have followed an innocent townie's advice only to find it wrong. It is important that we remember that your (and all the blue's) views are innocent, but not 100% correct. There is one good thing that has come out of your claim though: We now have a mouthpiece through which the police force can speak, and someone who wouldn't be a bad medic target... | ||
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If no one counterclaims, Bum is blue. If bum is blue and mafia/sk counter claim, we lynch them both. It's a 1-1 trade, and 1-1 trades are always town favored. If bum is mafia/sk, real blues counterclaim, we lynch them both, it's a 1-1 trade. The worst scenario is a 1-1 trade, and that's good for town. Because of this, I will trust that bum is blue until a counterclaim arises HOWEVER. I will restate that simply protecting a blue role is not good enough. We need to protect the people who will actively hunt scum. Vets and scumhunters cannot tell the mayor who to lynch if they are dead! Beyond that, the mayor only controls the day-one lynch, something that is a crap-shoot anyways. I strongly believe that blues should be helping the analysts, not the other way around. As has been said by Ver, BloodyC0bler, Ace, and many more Town wins because of analysis, not because of blues. Blues are very helpful, but we cannot rely on them. | ||
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On March 24 2011 14:13 iGrok wrote: There also the fact that the mayor can choose the lynch, and can rely on active scumhunters' advice. The leader in this case only has to make the final decision, and I'd rather that be a confirmed town who will listen to scumhunters than an unknown or even probable town. On March 24 2011 18:41 deconduo wrote: Kav's argument is pretty meh also. Why not elect a confirmed town mayor, and he can listen to all the vet's scumhunting. Its not like bumatlarge is bad either,,, iGrok might be excusable because of he's newish, but I'm inclined to disbelieve that you would fail so hard on your logic Decon... Scum hunters cannot tell the mayor what to push if they are dead. Besides, it's not like the mayor has some magical ability to bend the town to his will. When I was mayor in XXXVI, I was able to control the lynches because I was one of the only active scum hunters, Not because I was mayor. Mayor was only the shield I used so that I COULD hunt scum without dieing. This is about protecting the people that are going to be hit by the mafia early and often. Read the pre-game, we already had the discussion about who the mafia would hit: If they don't hit the vets/analysts they will be caught. If bum cannot analyse then the mafia would LOVE to see him as mayor, because it's protecting someone who they wouldn't have hit anyways. I want to stay active, and bring the pain to the red/black teams. I can't do this if I am dead. Vote for Kav. If this doesn't make sense, please let me know and I'll try to explain it more simply. | ||
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On March 24 2011 23:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: As logically sound as your points are there is one part that kind of irks me. You are dismissing that bum could be an analyst, which I am pretty sure he is capable of. As stated before, what he is doing would fall through from the mafia so assuming is town is fine by me. I don't see why you wouldn't want a pseudo confirmed townie in the mayor position who has also been an active player. You say you want an active scum hunter, well by putting Bum in the mayor position you are getting the power of his circle which may or may not have a more active "scumhunter" as you put it. And on top of that, he said he would listen to me on who to kill. So you get what you want no matter how you look at it! Why kavvy gotta hate? Firstly, yes. If bum can be an analyst, then he'd be a good mayor. As I mentioned before, I'd vote for him if he showed some of this analysis. (No, I don't expect much this early, but I'm just getting the feeling that he's relying on his blue circle too much. w/e) The reason why I'm pushing for my mayorship over Bum's is more or less selfish: I want to do analysis, and I don't want to die because of it. So I will push my mayorship over his until he proves he can hunt scum better than me. | ||
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On March 25 2011 01:42 deconduo wrote: So you claim that its better to have a unconfirmed good scumhunter as mayor as opposed to a confirmed good scumhunter with an entire confirmed circle of scumhunters behind him. While we don't know if that team is good or not, surely there is no contest here? No, my argument was that Bum would/will not be a good scum hunter. I am/would be. If he's a good scum hunter, then he is the best choice for town. At this point, I don't think the town wants to take a risk on electing anti-town, and I don't have the time to prove that i'm anti-town. I submit my campaign, but I hope that people with protection abilities will seriously consider me for protection. (Hopefully my play will make me a good/obvious choice by the end of the day, so don't take my word for it.) Best of luck Bum! | ||
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Town's number one enemy at this point is Annul. He has single handedly wasted over 100 posts on stupid arguments, and done a royal job of distracting the town. I will say it now: If I am elected mayor, I will lynch annul. Regardless of his alignment, his play is detrimental to the town. I'm sorry annul if this is your style, but it's not acceptable here. I'm entertaining the idea that he's scum again, and the scum team is so fed up with him, that they just said "Go throw fit in the thread and see how many people you can drag into the fight." Annul, you have some good points, but you have others that shouldn't have ever been brought up. The way you argue is ridiculous. I say this objectively, only looking at how your arguments are received. Above all arguments are made to convince people. You are failing at that, therefore your arguments are bad. This has already started in some respect, but people, please ignore Annul as much as you can. At this point arguing with him has proven fruitless, and it's only trashing the thread more. I'm going to call out my BFF coag, and plead that you keep the spam at a minimum. As far as elections go, I think we need to shelf the argument about Bum's alignment for a day. Let the blues out there take a bit of time, and then decide what to do. (I personally believe that he is Blue, but again, let's stop arguing about it, because time will show us more clearly than any argument would.) So what do we do if we ignore annul, and stop talking about bum for a day??? From what I can gather from pre-game info-gathering, town will almost certainly have more than the 1 KP from the lynch. To be clear, I believe there to be KP roles amongst the greens. (I have no proof, only an educated guess because this is Insane) On that topic, what are your thoughts on the direction (or lack there of) for these extra shots? + Show Spoiler [My opinions on the matter] + I think that the mayor should put together a que of people that should die. This list should be built with the town, but influenced by the circle of blues (assuming a bum mayor). This would give players with KP roles advice on who they might hit. Obviously the choice will be theirs, as it should be, but I think that building a list cannot hurt their decisions. Above all, it generates discussion on who wants who killed, which will give juicy information to the town. To further give solid opinions, a few people I want on that list include: Annul: Reasons stated above. Deconduo: General scummy feel (Obviously I need to explain this further, but I'll do that when i get the time.) iGrok: More scummy play, including apposition to clearly town plans, putting down of plans without putting forward alternatives, and fanning arguments. (More on this to follow) | ||
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On March 25 2011 14:38 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: But Kav, are you still against voting for Bum because you want a "Strong" scumhunter in the mayor position? I wouldn't mind a summary before reading 9 miles of shit. RoL: My argument for Kav>Bum rests on Analysis > Blues. If he proves he's a good analyst, then my argument turns against me, and I agree that he's the better candidate. So far, he's not provided anything to convince me otherwise, so I keep my name in the running. I think that the only two legitimate candidates are Bum and myself at this point. Bum: If I understand you correctly, you think that annul should be pardoned because he can shape up. I can understand this. If you are pardoning his previous actions, I disagree. It made people give definite opinions on pretty obvious things, and the net result of the argument was to figure out something that should have been obvious from the beginning. Yes, there were a few good things that came out of the argument, but I think the amount of useful information is very little considering it took up roughly 20 pages. We could have discussed much more useful things imo. The reason I want to lynch Annul is because I don't want this to happen again. I don't want a gryphindor in this game. I don't see enough of an indication that he is going to change his posting style to make me want to give him a second chance. Now, if a better target presents it'self, then sure. I'm not going to tunnel Annul. I just think that he's the best lynch right now. Annul: I never said that I thought you were town. The truth is, I have a hard time reading you, because you always look scummy to me. Unfortunetly, most of the time, you have been scum. This makes you a hard to read player who is actively distracting/diverting and wasting a lot of town's time. Someone who is worth a day-one lynch. It's a harsh condemnation, but I'm not going to go easy when the town's best interests are at stake. You have 10% of the posts in this game (5 pages worth!), but you have NOT contributed 10% of the information/ideas that we have now. Find a better way explain your points so you don't have to repeat them. It will save everyone a lot of time, and the town will benefit. | ||
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I do not have the time that I thought I would have coming into this game, so while I still expect to contribute, I do not have the time needed to be Mayor. I've still not had the time to put together an analysis of iGrok, but I did manage to read his posts, and I can say that a preliminary glance tells me nothing. There are some stupid things, but I haven't found him hiding anything yet. (YET.) Deconduo will be my next object of scrutiny, followed by Meapak. | ||
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My case for Insanious v1.0 Insanious has exhibited scummy play on several fronts: He has held extremely wrong, scum favored opinions on the nature of PM’s. He has aggressively and exclusively defended one person (tackster), which makes no sense from a townie’s prospective. He has shown contrasting weak opinions as to the alignment of others, despite the fervor of the arguments he made against them. All of these things point to one thing: Insanious is Scum. + Show Spoiler [WrongOpinions] + As has been explained by many veteran players, wrong opinions do not necessarily mean scum. It’s only when those plans consistently favor scum that they become a clear indication that the player is scum. Insanious has shown just that: On March 25 2011 02:21 Insanious wrote: The only reason why I don't want an irc channel is because it will make it harder for me to keep up with the game. I don't get to sit infront of the irc channel all day, I catch up on mafia games over a few hours in one chunk usually. As such, I don't have access to irc during the day, and reading logs will take for ever and analysing them will require more time to format properly. This makes it harder for me to play... Not to mention I would most likely not be able to join the irc chat often. Not to mention how cluttered the thread will look once the logs are posted... I guess if everyone else wants one I don't mind... Just don't call me scum if I donKt participate in it very much. The IRC was a good thing for town, and the mafia/SK realized it faster than the town did, and shut it down. People who have something to hide are terrified of PM’s/irc because they have to make snap decisions, and things slip out much easier. I repeat: ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE DO NOT WANT PM’S AND IRC WITH ANYONE OTHER THAN THEIR TEAM. Insanious opposed this plan, saying “I don’t want to have to read through all of them…” So don’t. No one is saying that you have to read them. Can you think of any ill effect this would have on the town? NO. It can only help us! This is a WRONG opinion, that is SCUM favored. On March 26 2011 12:27 Insanious wrote: So your saying this is scummy? This is the most TOWN oriented thing a new player could do... Scum will try to manipulate the town circle to do their bidding... A new player, will be easily persuaded. A new player on a scum team, will have the scum team to talk to to help them out. No scum would ignore PMs, unless their whole scum team is terrible. You have this completely backwards. Town loves PM’s because it’s much easier to find scum in them. Scum hate PM’s because it’s really easy to slip up in them. If you want me to, I can find several veteran players who agree with this. This opinion is so blatantly wrong, that you are either a terrible player, or scum. Even if you are scum, you’re not good at it if you think you can get away with this sort of thing. Based off of previous games, you are not inexperienced, therefor you are Scum + Show Spoiler [Defense of Tackster] + + Show Spoiler [Wall of defense] + On March 26 2011 11:43 Insanious wrote: :/ killing new players is awesome... can we at least let Trackster play till day 2? I mean seriously, this is his first game isn't it, at least let him get a taste rather then kill him instantly... just my $0.02. I also play on .Org, and they don' kill new players before day 2 simply because it doesn't foster a good environment for them, and they don't usually come back... at least giving them a taste gives them a chance to play more. Although, if Trackster isn't new (i just assumed he was) then we can just kills him... On March 26 2011 11:49 Insanious wrote: I'm just saying... we are here to build a community, and if I had been lynched day 1 when it was my first game, I wouldn't of come back. Most others would feel the same way. Lynching day 1 or day 2 is pretty much the exact same thing, just let the newer players have some fun, while killing others that look scummy. I know I won't be voting for Trackster simply because I can't in good conscience know that I might be ruining someone's possibly becoming a regular in TL mafia by this... I have no problem killing him after he gets a taste of what mafia is like... but he hasn't even lived a night cycle, or lynched anyone yet... but thats just me. On March 26 2011 11:52 Insanious wrote: TL has a problem getting larger games going, lynching new players doesn't help. Look at Death Factory, where we only had 17 people... Trackster doesn't even look red. People are lynching him because he doesn't post... I would rather kill someone who usually posts but doesn't, then ruin the chance of having a new TL regular. On March 26 2011 12:01 Insanious wrote: You have 0 analysis of Trackster... yet you are 100% sure he is red or black. He is brandnew, so you can't even Meta him... so please, tell me why he is scum? All I see is a new player, that is trying, but still a little lost. Paint me a picture that will make me think he deserves to be lynched. On March 26 2011 12:13 Insanious wrote: I'm defending a new player, that doesn't look scummy at all... from getting killed night 1 their first game. Its a matter of values for me. Unless someone could show me something where he is 100% red, 0% chance of not being red... then he doesn't deserve to be killed for not being experienced. On March 26 2011 12:20 Insanious wrote: You can PM pevergreen, and ask him about Totalwar.org and their policies on killing new players or anyone who has not played mafia in a while. Hell, go over to Totalwar.org and go ask some of the players that play mafia... They don't kill new people day 1 or day 2 simply to help foster a good environment for the community to grow. For players to come back and play more games. Just something I liked and picked up... I mean, I wouldn't of been back if I just was killed outright day 1 my first game... Its not motivated by any alignment, its motivated by the fact that mafia is a community game, and without a community we don't get to play games. TL has TERRIBLE activity. I mean look at most of the past few games where only half the people post... Or look at Death Factory where 17 players signed up when he wanted 30... We need more players, and killing them day 1 doesn't get new players. Bigger picture then a single game of mafia... On March 26 2011 12:23 Insanious wrote: I'm trying to defend someone you are trying to get lynched, very different then steering the game in a different direction. We are still talking about Trackster. This isn't me trying to talk about something unrelated. Don't try to spin this into anything else than it is. On March 26 2011 12:27 Insanious wrote: So your saying this is scummy? This is the most TOWN oriented thing a new player could do... Scum will try to manipulate the town circle to do their bidding... A new player, will be easily persuaded. A new player on a scum team, will have the scum team to talk to to help them out. No scum would ignore PMs, unless their whole scum team is terrible. On March 26 2011 23:56 Insanious wrote: The counter bandwaggon is Tackster... Also, you are defending him now. On March 27 2011 05:30 Insanious wrote: WOW, so now it goes from "Tack is 100% scum" to "Tack is probably scum, im pretty sure... not really" We are hanging the towns hopes of killing a scum, on someone who continuously lies to town to try to get them to do what he wants... Jackal is scummy scum scum scum. Ok, we need to lynch jackal tonight. He says he has the towns only KP, and is going to use it WITHOUT TOWN INPUT. This is just as dangerous as a scum. - - - - Not to mention, coag said he had a weapon... doesn't that mean KP? Is Jackal lying? - - - - As well, it would be very easy for Jackal to say "I am town KP" while being mafia or 3rd party and using their KP to look like a vig... - - - - Jackal looks more and more scummy as the day goes on. On March 27 2011 05:45 Insanious wrote: Because insulting the people your trying to convince is a good way to get people to follow you... give us something to change our minds. Give us PMs, give us proof... The only thing that I can go on when looking at who to lynch is the stuff in thread. In thread Tackster looks town and you look scum. If you want to change my mind you have to prove it... give me PMs. Give me something to change my mind. Because you NEVER will sway ANYONE simply going "guys... believe me, I'm town I swear!" On March 27 2011 06:24 Insanious wrote: I love how jackal and coag have been all "We have proof, Tack is scum, kill him!" When it’s really just "Tack is the least popular out of us 6, and one of us 6 need to die... so it might as well be Tack" Funny how basically the reason you are killing him is that he is new to TL :/. Holy crap. He spent more time defending tackster than doing any other thing in the game! When tack was a lynch target, he suddenly because MUCH more active, and spent all that time defending him. Why? I can understand defending someone, but unless he has more information than the people in the item game (he doesn’t. It’s day one) then why is he so opinionated about it? I’m not saying anything about the strength of the arguments he makes in defense, some of them I agree with, but I cannot see a townie putting this much effort into defending someone they cannot be sure is innocent! This makes much more sense from the mafia prospective however: If he, as mafia, can find legitimate arguments as to why his scum buddy should NOT be lynched, he would totally go all out to save an "unjust" lynch of a scum buddy. + Show Spoiler [The strange case of Jackal and Mr.Coag] + + Show Spoiler [Accusations] + On March 27 2011 06:44 Insanious wrote: Everything Jackal and Coag have said is basically a lie. Has no basis in anything, and we are basing our kills on it. Hell, they cant even defend themselves against simple questions like "what makes you think this?" which is a basic question for anyone when calling scum. On March 27 2011 07:17 Insanious wrote: Basically for me... Track has given town over 100 posts to analyze for later Jackal/Coag have given few posts. The posts they have given... half of them contradict the other half "Tack is 100% scum" vs "I'm not 100% sure he is scum" "Jackal, Coag, Lemon are confirmed" vs "We will be confirming Jackal, Coag, and lemon by day 2" "Tack isn't responding to PMs" vs "No one sent Tack PMs" "Tack was inactive" vs "Tack being active the whole time with over 100 posts" Everything Coag and Jackal have said is a lie... so how can I support anything you do? You lie, and then contradict your selves later in your posts... I don't understand how you can do that and still think we will follow what you are doing. On March 27 2011 07:25 Insanious wrote: Dude, don't even try this with me, you want me to go through every post of yours and line them up? If you say 12 hours ago "Tack is 100% scum" Then a hour ago "not confirmed scum, just most likely scum" Still a lie. Doesn't matter if it was 12 hours ago, or 24 hours ago. You said it was confirmed and it wasn't. Just like you said, when you first posted that Jackal, Coag, and Lemon were 100% confirmed. Yet just now, Coag posted about a Plan to confirm you guys. This means you lied. You said Tack didn't respond to PMs, yet then Tack said you guys didn't PM him. And you said you left him out of the PM circle. Another lie. Then you were just caught in a lie saying Tack was inactive, when he never was. You have LIED, stop LYING TO THE TOWN. jesus, if you are town, you are the worst town in the history of mafia. On March 27 2011 08:01 Insanious wrote: Fine, lets start here... This DOES NOT allude to Tackster being anything but SCUM. #2 says he is scum black or red #3 says you will shoot the other scum when tackster flips red/black You do not say anywhere that you might be wrong. There is 0% interpretation where you allude to not being 100% sure Tack is scum here. If you can show me exactly what lines allude to that.... Here's you saying he is 100% black or red Again saying he is 100% red or black First time you said Tack wasn't 100% Scum... so now you are trying to weasel your self out of what your previously said. For 17 pages before this post, you said Tackster was 100% scum, 0% chance of not being scum. Now, since we are attacking you. You are saying "oh wait... he is just 2/3 chance, not 100% chance" Very scummy. Scum like to leave backdoors, you are making yours very late, then trying to weasel out of it later. Now, as people start to question your plan. Tack goes from 100% scum (AS seen in point #2 and #3 of your plan) To only being 66% scum... you think. Wait, now your saying you could be wrong... look at the first post here, you linked it. You NEVER SAID YOU COULD BE WRONG. You said Tack could be red or black. You NEVER ONCE said he could be green. LIER! HELL, now you are saying that you don't even have proof to say that track is scum or not... you are just guessing. Before you confirmed he was scum, now you are saying he might not be? That its just a hunch... - - - - So your plan was built on a LIE (Tack being confirmed scum), because you LIED saying he was scum (see posts above)... then you LIED saying you didn't LIE. :/ Time to look into your other LIES. On March 27 2011 08:12 Insanious wrote: Let's start with a short lie, that deconduo caught you with Lie caught 6 minutes later... Now into another lie, that ties into this one... Wait WHAT? You said he never responded to PMs... that you never sent. NO SHIT. Doesn't make him scum, YOU LIED TO MAKE HIM LOOK SCUMMY. You left him out of the PM circle, you didn't even PM him, and then you oust him for not PM'ing you, wow... LIER LIER LIER. On March 27 2011 08:13 Insanious wrote: Do I need to actually go and look for you confirming 3 town VS Coag saying that people aren't confirmed, that you are going to confirm them during the night? It only happened like 2 pages ago... On March 27 2011 08:25 Insanious wrote: Yes I can. If I said: The earth revolves around the sun and you said: No the sun revolves around the earth Then I would be lying, and you would be proving it. He said: You, Himself, and Lemon were confirmed 100% town You said: We are going to confirm You, Jackal, and Lemon on Night 1. You proved that he lied about people being confirmed. He was caught in a lie. You caught him in the lie, then never called him out on it. On March 27 2011 08:27 Insanious wrote: Then its 3 lies for Jackal, and 1 lie for you... maybe you are the other scum. I don't know. On March 27 2011 08:32 Insanious wrote: I'm interested in killing scum. Tack doesn't look scummy to me... Jackal does. Has nothing to do with Tack. I haven't even brought up the Tack lynch in a while. I've been talking about killing Jackal, where he lied. He was lieing while talking about Tack. Don't try to make a link where there isn't one. There is a big difference between me defending tack and attacking Jackal. You can't seem to see that. Hopefully the rest of the town can. On March 27 2011 08:42 Insanious wrote: In my eyes, you and Jackal have done absolutely nothing. You have shown nothing to support that you have done anything. You talk... amongst your selves. You tell town to trust you. But you haven't acutally tried to tell me you've done anything. Tack has at least participated in the game. He laid out ideas for the town to look at. He gave posts for the town to analyze. And he looks green. The rest of you IG players have not done that, you play in your own little world... and guess what its biting you in the ass. As town, you need to share info, so that we don't kill you. Its how it always works. Mafia work to keep info away from the town. Thats how it works. By being secretive you are shooting your self in the foot. Now Jackal is caught up in lies, with no way to explain them, and he looks 100% scum, You are out here defending him simply because you put work into making some sort of plan, that I assume exists or you wouldn't be defending him... but I don't know if it does... You have vested interests that are clouding your judgement. If you actually want to help Jackal and the town. SHOW ME HOW HE IS NOT SCUM. Don't just tell me that he isn't. As I read through all his posts, I found something very interesting and telling: He argues extensively with jackal/coag, but never once does he call them scum! He calls them liers, condems their actions, and otherwise defaces their plans. Towards the end he says that “maybey [coag] is scum” But never calls him scum. Long into the argument, he states that jackal “looks scummy”, but he still hasn’t called them scum! He holds just strong opinions about their play, but he is extremely weak when it comes to the actual accusation! This is such a scum thing to do! 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On March 27 2011 15:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Might as well do this tonight since I will probably get hit. ##Shoot Annul I have no love of Annul. That part of me <3 you. I wish I had posted my analysis of Insanious earlier. That part of me D8 you. | ||
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On March 27 2011 15:34 Coagulation wrote: LOL he just narrowed down scum to Tack if your not scum. This would explain Insainious's actions pretty well. | ||
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Not working with Annul until he's "confirmed"? Wtf? That's not how it works! You PM people, and make plans so that you can analyse what they are doing! You don't ignore them, waiting for some magical confirmation that they are town! | ||
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On March 27 2011 16:23 kevconsim wrote: doesnt everyone lie at some point in this game? Who here can say they have never lied? Gmarshal. | ||
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On March 27 2011 23:42 Tackster wrote: That's the entirety of my stupid item. I mean yes a DT check is pro town but I've seen an exploding potato and a stun gun with multiple abilities so i feel pretty annoyed that i'm a detective that probably won't get to detect... On March 27 2011 11:00 LSB wrote: Magnifying Glass - Ooh Sherlock! You got the magnifying glass! You can use the Magnifying glass to investigate another player’s role during the night. REDACTED Given what we know about the items in the item game, does anyone else find the similarity between a known scum's item and Tacksters a little condemning? | ||
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If Tackster is scum: (And I'm pretty sure he is) Insanious defended Tack a good deal. Meapak defended Tack in one of his few posts. Oh, and just because I'm in the mood to divulge my opinions, and it seems scum see me fit to hit already, I'll add that Eiii is on my suspect list. I'll try to put together a analysis/reasons on this when I get the chance. | ||
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On March 28 2011 13:00 Lanaia wrote: @Kavdragon Will you be sharing with us the reason you think you were hit or would you prefer not to? Because I'm one of the few people doing analysis, and I've named two of their members already. I said that I would post an analysis on meapak earlier, and I already posted on Insanious. They didn't want me adding anyone more of their buddies to that list, and they didn't want my analysis on meapak to ever happen. | ||
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On March 28 2011 14:17 orgolove wrote: Ok. I keep confusing. The bodyguard died, not the mayor. Sorry. I still can't see a real black or red working so hard to get a pretty clear pro-townie being elected as mayor: These are really intense, high information posts that I can't believe would come from a red or black. They'd have happily wanted the argument between whether to trust bum or not, but he tried to clarify all this. Especially considering how he repeatedly said he's a mafia newb... I'm really hesitant about voting for him... Let me get this straight: You haven't read the thread well enough to understand that Bum is our mayor, not Annul, and that GMarshal the BG died, not the mayor. Yet you are coming back from your hiatus to defend someone? Why start posting now, and why start defending someone who you clearly can't have read enough about to understand? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Math] + Pre-game: 18 of 317 posts = 0.056% of posts Post-game: 30 of 1990 posts = 0.013% of posts 0.056%/0.013% = 430% change Bum, you're being quiet. I assume that you guys are paying attention and analysing this stuff, but town needs some direction and leadership. Give us something to do. Anyone you want analysed/pressured? | ||
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On March 28 2011 16:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: This math is completely pointless, and I know you are better than that. It is much easier to hold a higher percentage with a smaller number of total posts. Also I don't see how youa re doing this. 18/317 should be around 6% of the total posts in game while 30 of 1990 should be like .03 percent or something else I am too lazy to care about. So why are you posting completely meaningless numbers? lol. I try math to point out something and I sill fail. The point was that Meapak has not been posting as much since the start of the game, hence the spoiler. This isn't really a reason for or against him though, I now realize. I posted it because it was going to be the first part of my analysis on him, but then I read the rest of his posts, and didn't pick up on enough to justify calling him scum. So I scrapped the argument, but decided to put that up with my retraction of his name from my list. + Show Spoiler [math fixes] + It should have read 0.056 or 5.6%. 30 out of 2307 is .013 (or 1.3%), I forgot to correct this to 30/1990 is about 1.5% The end product should be something like 370% decrease Remind me to check my math next time I use it. | ||
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On March 29 2011 01:30 Jackal58 wrote: Annul X 2 I meant for Tackster. Gmarshall X 1 Kav X 1 4 kp 4 shots. You're freaking insane. This. I'm not entirely sure why you think that bum was hit, not me. [green]If bum were hit, would he be notified?[/b] | ||
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On March 29 2011 04:49 Tackster wrote: Now to point out something about Kavs posts: Kav said he can prove if I stole: This implies kav either: - Is a Vet AND can check item steals (wtf?) - Is on a PM circle where someone can make the check (still unlikely) - Is lying again This isn't looking good Kav - please reply to this. Firstly I retracted my statement about being able to figure out if you stole an item. It was never about an ability, or access to someone through PM, only logic. Hence my "Nevermind, I have fail logic" post. The rest of your points are implications based off of assumptions that are not true. I didn't lie about being hit. | ||
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On March 29 2011 16:49 CubEdIn wrote: HOWEVER, I'd like it if someone (preferably coag, since he's been dismissing this a lot) could explain to me why we are not even CONSIDERING the fact that Lemon could be the scum? He knew Coag had the gun so they could have used him against annul, just in case. So I don't know, I see the reason why it's more likely that Tack is scum. I don't see why we are completely dismissing Lemon though. Mafia likely hit Annul, so why would they also redirect coag's bullet into him? | ||
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On March 26 2011 07:47 Kenpachi wrote:  .. and i still retain my title of never being rightbut im persistent. IM COMING FOR YOU GROKKEN No townie go out of his way to point out that he is always wrong. The only thing that something like this could serve to do, is make people ignore their opinions. The only people who want this are scum. Kenpachi is scum In his first (and only) analysis, he concludes that iGrok is scum because of a number of spam posts. After posting replies to comments on his analysis he starts doing the very thing that he based his accusation off of: Spam: Note: These posts were made one after the other. I didn’t edit out any posts in-between them. On March 28 2011 10:25 Kenpachi wrote: I believe i will die because no one would bother to protect me and stuff. + Show Spoiler +  On March 28 2011 06:34 Kenpachi wrote: Im coming for you iGrok but im busy today so ill be back at the night post Why post this if you aren’t going to add anything? On March 28 2011 11:00 Kenpachi wrote: oh snap~ On March 28 2011 11:01 Kenpachi wrote: -_-...... On March 28 2011 11:05 Kenpachi wrote: Coag. theres an error. 10 SCUM On March 28 2011 11:07 Kenpachi wrote: im greener On March 28 2011 11:07 Kenpachi wrote: oh snap On March 28 2011 12:42 Kenpachi wrote: ##vote: Tackster so hilarious. He’s called someone out for being scummy because of spam, yet he spams. This clearly shows that he doesn’t hold strong convictions about spam being scummy. No townie would make an analysis based on a conviction they don’t hold. Only scum would do something like this to make it look like they are contributing. Kenpachi is scum On March 29 2011 06:29 Kenpachi wrote: im always around to be analyzed. faithful bodybag Kenpachi but seriously you guys completely lost me when i was reading the last 20 pages. I think Kavdragon has the most data piled up on him but really, im lost. Tackster is accused. Something happens and LW is actually the real culprit no wait Jackal. nono its kav.. fuck you guys its GGQ or Kenpachi. no dude its Tackster/LW/Jackal/Kav. imo, lets just kill Kav because hes not an IG player and everyone is just so fussed up about mylo on IG players Scum hit me last night, and it didn’t work. Scum will try to kill me again. This obviously didn’t go very far, but there’s no way in liquidia that a townie posted this sort of crap. "I'm confused, but let's just kill kav, kk?" There is no way that a townie would see more red on my name than on Tacksters name. There is no way that Kenpachi is a townie. Kenpachi is scum To borrow the line that you borrowed from | ||
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On March 29 2011 16:59 chaoser wrote: Ugh....GGQ explains it. Mafia thought Coag had stun gun which would have disabled annul's bomb, making it safe to hit him. So they mind control Coag to "disable" bomb. What really happened was that Coag had a real gun and shot annul instead. Mafia didn't expect this. Pardon me if I'm misunderstanding, but Lemon knew that Coag had a KP gun, correct? If Lemon was mafia, they would know that Redirecting coag's shot to annul would result in a double hit on annul. Since there would be no reason to double stack annul, it is unlikely that Lemon is mafia. That's what I was trying to say in answer to CubEdIn. | ||
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Deconduo, as you have realized, I never claimed veteran. I only claimed that I was hit. I saw no need to give red/black more information on how to kill me, so I left out why I survived. lol at me being black. I'll take that as a compliment, as they are often some of the most pro-town people in-thread. Bum, do you remember the entire argument that we had in XXXVI? This seems just like that. (minus me actually being SK ofc.) For everyone's sake, let me recap: LunarDestiny was an SK, and the mafia found out about it. Bum was mafia, and wanted to knock off LD because he was being very pro-town. So he claimed DT, and said that LD was black. The problem is, SK's are very pro-town players so why would you expose one before you needed to? The general strategy for SK's is to act like town, because they can only be killed with a lynch. Now, there was one good point to Bum's argument however: If we killed the SK, then we would have less KP out. In this game, killing another black will almost certainly not lower their KP! In the end, this is what clued me in to Bum being Scum, and it got him lynched. I had a hard time arguing the point back then, but now that there is precedent, I hope people understand how this argument is correct. Let's pretend that I am black. I've been playing very pro-town, so REGARDLESS of the possibility that I was black, why would you out me at this point? I'm now pissed that my cover is blown, and I want to kill everyone. Why should I help the town if I'm going die soon? If I was black, you would have eliminated one of the most helpful people in this game so far! In this game, the timing was even worse: we have a lynch set up on Tackster. Why bring this up now? Why not bring up something like this after the lynch? Calling out an SK now would only hurt the town. Deconduo, I'm quite honestly confused by this play. You've played enough that I would have thought you'd think of this. Everything about it makes me think you are scum, but your vet claim/PM looks ligit. Would LSB give a vet role to Mafia? It seems unlikely, but it is insane... | ||
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On March 30 2011 02:00 Jackal58 wrote: Bum got lynched because he claimed to have 3 reads and forgot he claimed he was role blocked on night 2. Sort of. People bought his story for a long time. I was one of the only ones argueing against him and brining his claim under scrutiny. The final blow was actually him reporting the wrong name for Beneather the Bodyguard. It should have come back as blue or something, and he put it as green. | ||
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On March 30 2011 02:44 bumatlarge wrote: There is a possibility the blacks could have shot annul. I just know that a KP was used on annul, and the opposite faction probably used the mindcontrol thingy jigger. And kav it isn't important to start defending yourself right now, we can discuss that later, because even if you might be black, it isn't as important since we know the red in the IG is close. And of course I remember that game kav... -_- Tackster, you are also quoting wrong references, at least form me. That KP list was flawed in regards to you and coagulation, I corrected it with some help from townies. The purpose of that post was partially to defend myself, yes, but the important part of it was that I was questioning why he would post this information now. He claimed that he's vet. This hurts the town because he probably won't take a hit now. He thought that he was revealing a black, which could have hurt the town because it would have likely stopped the scum hunting from the black. I question the timing. | ||
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In XXXVI I was positive that Impervious was scum. I did an analysis on him, and he it looked like a closed case to me. However, as the votes fell, there was very little resistance to his lynch. I still thought that he looked scummy, but I couldn't ignore the evidence that was in the votes. This looks very similar to me. Deconduo is totally right on this. The fact that the votes are so lopsided should be a big hint. Yes, it's possible that they are busing him, but it still looks really odd, and I don't feel comfortable with this lynch anymore. Look at Tackster's defense. He's put a tremendous amount of effort into it, even though the town shows no sign of relenting. I can't think of a scum player who has put more effort into his defense in the face of such odds, especially not a new one. In my experience, most of them defend themselves a little, but mostly they just clam up. Now let me be clear about what I'm saying here: I am NOT refuting the points against Tackster, I am pointing out that his response, and the votes both point to him being town. In light of this, and the fact that we are at mylo in the IG, I suggest that we not lynch Tackster today. I suggest we lynch Kenpachi, who is clearly scum. + Show Spoiler + On a side note, Deconduo brought up some really good points about lemon walrus, and everyone is ignoring them. | ||
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If you'll just listen to what he's saying, you'll see that it doesn't matter which of the two is scum! If you have a plan for both possibilities, why would you waste your time trying to figure out which one is more likely? If the outcome is the same either way, why spend the effort figuring which way to do it, when you could spend that time doing something else! No one is perfect, so quit with the personal attacks. Remember who voted him in. Just because he doesn't spam incessantly and posting stream-of-concious all the time doesn't mean he's not here and working. You gave him your trust, so don't callously throw it away. /rant | ||
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On March 30 2011 09:26 Insanious wrote: because if we get the red now, then we don't need to waste the KP and can kill other scum at night... or try to. At what cost? Look what we've done all day. We've argued about who is scum in the Item Game. The end result is that we are still not certain about who to lynch. Once we make this lynch, what scum hunting have we done? Almost nothing! I'm not convinced that the trade off was worth it, so I don't think that Bum should be criticized for not spending all his effort on this lynch. Whatever. What is done is done, let's move on and start scum-hunting. | ||
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On March 30 2011 10:27 Kenpachi wrote: if im counting right, (14)Tackster vs 11(LW) takes 2 people to unvote Tackster and vote LW for Tackster to be safe. Okay fine then 15-11 I think. If two people move, Tack is still the first person to 13 votes. We need three. | ||
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On March 30 2011 10:54 OriginalName wrote: Once again mafia breaking my f5 key T_T This. It's times like these that get grind down my f5 key. | ||
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On March 30 2011 11:13 Insanious wrote: You analyzed me calling me scum for defending Tack... So now I'm scum for defending and killing him, i can't win, awesome. You're right. Lol fail. Sorry bout that. I think i was mixing you and kenpachi together or something. | ||
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"It helps Mafia pick targets" uh...Or it lets the people who need to live hide. "It's the mafia's hour" Nope. We still outnumber them last I checked. Talking at night is like giving us 72 hour days. It's a good thing. On that note, I still suspect Insanious, but he's nowhere near as high on my scumdar as Kenpachi. If you haven't read my analysis, please do so. Let's get this scum lynch rolling. | ||
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On March 30 2011 11:19 Kenpachi wrote: i think you're black actually. you are going to die tomorrow. Unless LW didnt die overnight Why am I going to die tomorrow? Scum slip anyone? Also, it's night now. LW is still alive. | ||
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On March 30 2011 11:25 Kenpachi wrote: oh well, i meant i was going to lead your lynch lol really, id kill you if i had KP though.. Why would you kill me? Please, point out my scummy and anti-town play! I can't wait for this. | ||
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On March 30 2011 21:07 Jackal58 wrote: Decon kiss my ass. If tackster wasn't your room mate you wouldn't give two shits. Dumb and dumber indeed Mr I'll bus my entire Mafia team cause they think I'm town.  Dude, settle down. You've already received a ban for this type of behavior, and we don't need modkills this game, regardless of the bots. On March 09 2011 20:32 Jackal58 wrote: I'm sorry guys. I owe you all an apology for being an ass. If you were really sorry about that incident, then start looking at this game. Regardless of Decon's alignment, there's no reason dive into this kind of attitude. If you think he's scum, then build an argument, don't start a fist fight. | ||
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On March 31 2011 04:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Sorry, this isn't intentional inactivity. Yesterday I slept from 4:30-6AM then went to work from 8AM to 10PM. I got home and slept. Right now I have class in around 2 hours and should really be trying to do corrections on a test, but instead fort he next hour I will probably end up trying to catch up. My delay is currently back to page 137ish. Here's what happened: Deconduo called the town sheep for voting Tack. People ignored him. I said that deconduo was right, a few other people chimed in, and then people started listening to decon. Tackster's lynch felt way too lobsided, so we started voting for Lemon, and got the votes to a tie, right before the deadline, then a few people shifted votes, and tackster was lynched green. Since then, not a lot has happened. Meapak has two or three analyses that are worth reading. Oh, and Chaoser claimed King. | ||
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On March 31 2011 05:48 Kenpachi wrote: or Black. We could be 3rd Party. I know Kav is one. Lololol. Cause blacks are totally going to stick their neck out for reds. Really Kenpachi? | ||
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On March 31 2011 06:55 Lanaia wrote: Do you guys think we could cut down on the swearing/spamming/caps/being obnoxious in general for at least a little while? This. People need to not get so emotionally invested in this game. If you do, you're bound to get mad, and this game is about fun, not fights. I've not been around for a long time, but I've read at least 7-8 games, and this has been one of the most hostile games I've seen. Above all else, this game is about having fun. Don't forget that. | ||
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On March 31 2011 07:05 tnkted wrote: Heh, you're welcome. I dunno what was in the coffee though, I feel a little funky right now. :r Well its difficult to define, because as Kav (or one of the other mafia vets) described, blacks tend to be extremely helpful because they have to appear so pro town for such a long time. I mean, for all we know, you could be black. Helpful, thoughtful commentary and support for town are precisely the sorts of things that black have to do, and they can avoid getting killed by the mafia because they have bulletproof vests. However, blacks are also aware that they have something to hide, so they have a strong urge to blend in the crowd. So my blackdar tends to pick up people who give brief, extremely illuminating posts, and then immediately disappear into the shadows. You're almost right. That last description would also describe blue. The key thing is that Scum (regardless of color) will have something to hid. Picking up on someone hiding something is hard, but very rewarding. | ||
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On March 31 2011 07:11 tnkted wrote: Yes sir, fearless leader. I'll use it. I'm not going to tell you who I'm switching jackal with though, so I would avoid killing that person just in case they are town or something. A DT check would probably be fine however. FYI, I probably won't use either of the two people you mentioned. I have an alternative plan where I could use the regular mode and avoid MC, but it would rely trusting that somebody else knows what they're doing. If this person knows what they're talking about, they should drop me a breadcrumb somewhere because I'll have to switch my plans pretty quickly. I was going to use this plan originally until you told me to do the anti-MC one, so post that shit ASAP friendly person! I think I know who you are. Don't put the crumb in a reply to me or this post though! The best way to do this is to make scum dive into wifom to figure out what you are going to do. | ||
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Also, Wifom is needed because simply bussing Jackal with mafia won't pervent Mafia from hitting mafia in order to kill Jackal. He cannot publiclly say who he is going to bus, or IF he i going to bus. This way Mafia cannot hit Either Jackal OR mafia without a chance of hitting mafia. | ||
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Mafia = Group mafia = single person Sorry if that was confusing. | ||
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On March 31 2011 13:23 Pandain wrote: AWWW SHIZZLE NIZZLE. Looks like the time is ripe for me. Some fun notes! "Im not going to spam. I'm just going to post worthlessly". really useless post. Just says that people are talking, makes a slight judgement on lemon, and then tries the age old "omgomgomgomgomgomgomg im spamming, but just so you don't think I am, here is why" mafia tell. PREVIOUS GAME TIME Hmmm... whats this? Previous game? Now theres 100 O_O This was in the previous insane mafia. Why don't we see more of these quotes? Also Insanious and the other vets should know more than to let, and even be a part of all this spam. If I was actually trying I'd do something, but I'm a panda so who cares. Furthormore, Lemonwalrus what's with the "Yeah, you guys all think I'm scum, but..."? Just makes you sound like you actually are scum and have just resigned yourself. Still waiting for a link to an analysis on him but major FoS on you. You do know that he's confirmed Blue, right? | ||
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I'm awaiting an explanation of why Lemon is still alive from Bum. Obviously some stuff got screwed up, but It didn't say anything about a KP failing. The assassin kill definetly came afterwards, and should be considered a separate KP. Unless Coag's gun is actually a day-vig, we are missing two KP by my count. Coag: Who did you shoot? Since it is unlikely that he would have shot Rean OR Chaoser, I think it's safe to say that scum hit them. The post didn't say anything about KP failing, so it seems that there were only two shots fired. LSB was asking for night actions right before the day came, so it's possible that one of the two scum factions forgot to send in their actions. Black has only one KP, so they couldn't have pulled off both hits, which means they must have forgotten to send in their actions. I think I know why iGrok was hit, though. I saw this earlier, but it obviously couldn't say anything about it without alerting e Gmarshal's PM: You are the Bodyguard. You have the thankless job of being a meatshield for the king. However, the king promises to reward you if you manage to kill the assassin. I wonder what he will teach you... On March 29 2011 03:44 iGrok wrote: This quote was from Return of the King. Looked like a breadcrumb to me, so I thought that he was the king. But then Chaoser came out with his claim and GMarshal's breadcrumb looked pretty legit. Chances are the assassin was looking for this sort of thing, so if I saw it, he probably saw it too. Once Chaoser was revealed to be the bodyguard, the king would have been vulnerable, and the assassin probably took a shot at iGrok. Though I'm still confused as to why iGrok would breadcrumb that... Anyways I'm tired, and i'm trying to do logic to stuff. Never a good idea. | ||
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On April 01 2011 05:09 Lanaia wrote: I know this is unrelated to the game, but why isn't the mafia forum open to everyone without asking for access? Is this because it would be a pain in the ass to take care of? Jeez, I'm so bored and no one's here to talk about/with. They probably don't want people coming in and spamming the mafia threads. If someone here does that, they can remove access to the thread. | ||
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On April 01 2011 15:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: + Show Spoiler + Obviously there will be no analysis of igrok as he died so instead I plan on analyzing ilovejonn or someone similar. A note on activity: Lanaia is right, we are currently failing pretty hard as town. The thread has ground to a standstill and that's a huge red flag that the town is in trouble. I'm not asking for spam like the first 180 pages, I'm asking for meaningful contributions, however length is not a problem for me; I'd be more than happy if the thread grew 40 pages a day IF it was all good posting. Honestly I feel like tnkted, Lanaia, deondou, and to a certain extent GGQ are the only people really playing this game any more. Things I find odd atm: why isn't Coag driving for Lemonwalrus to be lynched. I know jackal quit so I'm figuring he's not mafia but the only information we have on Coag is his own word. The IG game is getting pretty small and its most vocal participant has gone silent. The scum didn't seem to shoot into the IG last night which I found odd because if walrus was scum it was their last night to win it because they should have known walrus was most likely the next lynch once Tackster flipped. The only explanation I could think of is if they thought they already had the IG won because of "confirmed" townies. I dunno, I'm sick of the item game and I'm confused about the new game and have no idea where the hell pandain came from and I'm pissed at the towns play and I wish I didn't feel like I was the only person actually trying to scum hunt rather then just let the roles win the game. Did anyone ever actually analyze tack and say "yep he's been playing scummy" how about walrus, has anyone anlyzed him? I didn't do it because I kept waiting for the IG players to do it themselves because I dont have access to their PMs and therefore couldn't get the whole picture... Maybe I should have tried anyway. Town is just sheeping and lurking and it fucking pisses me off. Analysises take a long time to do and take a lot of work but if the town is unwilling to use them then I don't see what the point of me making them is. We're not going to win this game with roles people, the blues are half dead so we can't rely on them to magically win the game. I'm doing one more analysis tomorrow and if the town can't get their act together then I'm done putting effort into this game and I'll just sheep along with the rest of you. Please don't give up. Your analyses have been good, but I think there's a fundamental flaw in your play: The town only has one lynch a day. I've made this mistake before, and I still forget it, but you have to remember that we can't take more than one thing at a time. You need to spend more time aggressively pushing for someone that you are sure it scum. Heck, even if you aren't sure, press them aggressively, because their reactions are really telling. I have a feeling that people aren't saying much because the lynch is more or less set, and they feel like they have nothing to do till day 4. I've not had a ton of time to contribute as much as I would like. I'm going to really try to contribute more though, because I'd hate to see you join the sheep. First off: Coag. Coag, you said that you didn't shoot because you didn't want them to MC your shot. This is a problem. We cannot let MC bully us out of our one KP. To this end, I think we need to theory craft how we can stop them from doing that. If everyone is quaking in their boots because they are afraid of MC, we will lose. Flat out. We must use our abilities, they can't MC us all. A thought that just occurred to me: What if Tnketd busses you with some random person every night. That way they can't mind control your shot. (They would have to MC the bus, but then they wouldn't be able to MC you...) This could be defeated if Tnked is RB'd, but again, we cannot be indecisive because of a small possibility of the mafia manipulating it. I'll post more soon, but I wanted to get that out for you Meapak. | ||
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I realized one problem with what I was saying earlier about only focusing on one person at a time. This is insane mafia. Town has more than the lynch. To that end, I think that we should set up a unofficial system where we use Coag's KP as another lynch. Even if people dissagree with it, it should still help the town: We need to be able to pressure people to get reactions. This is a problem because NO ONE is going to feel pressured at the moment, because Lemon's lynch is so set in stone. However, we can still kill people with Coag's gun! This means that we can use the unoficial system to put up people to hit, thus pressuring them. I used a similar tactic to great effect in Mafia XXXVI, where I called on vigs to hit certain people. Some people who were lurking hard-core popped up right away. Turns out there weren't any vigs, but it didn't matter: The threat is all that is needed. Now, of course we need to be ready and willing to carry though with the threat, or it holds no weight, but I don't think that that will be hard. Right. Now that I've said that, Ima call on coag/vigs to hit Kenpachi tonight. I've already done an analysis on him, and his response was essentially a big OMGUS. If anyone doubts, feel free to read my analysis, or just read his posts yourself. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, onto your concerns about people going inactive: I completely agree. there's one post that I think sums it up quite nicely: You seem to be around more recently ON, but your not contributing that much. If you are "around" why aren't you contributing? Do analysis on someone! Just sitting around doing nothing is really anti-town. | ||
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I just realized that we have the fighting ring too. We need people to do analysis on those in the ring. We may not be able to fight directly, but we can still direct those who can. I see no reason why we should leave the decision of who dies solely up to those in the ring. Otherwise mafia just get two guys in and kill everyone who enters. Thoughts on this? | ||
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On April 01 2011 18:59 CubEdIn wrote: EBWODP: the "it surely came from scum IMO." part was directed @ kav. Us blues did not RB you afaik. No, I'm not saying no one claimed roleblocker, I'm saying that no one claimed that they were roleblocked. I was RB'd. This confirms that there is a RB'er. So who did he RB the first night? | ||
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Seriously, this is a problem. I'm not saying that BB had many contrabutions, but the fighting ring is NOT about just making aliances and killing random people. It's another way for town to kill scum. I want to hear reasons as to why BB was picked by Pandain and Insanious. You guys didn't post ANY reasons iirc, and that's not acceptable. Personally, I would have killed either of the other two over BB, because Insanious was scummy, and Pandain has been somewhat spammy and not helpful in the short amount of time that he has posted (In addition to the fact that RoL was similarly unhelpful). We also need to decide who they will vote in tonight. We cannot let them make all the decisions. Scum will have influence in and out of the ring. This is essentially a PM circle with the power to lynch. We need to use this like a double lynch. With that in mind, I suggest that Kenpachi get's voted in. I really doubt that LSB would put three townies into the ring, and make us auto kill a townie because we didn't have a chance to vote a scum in. Because of this, I strongly believe that one or both of the remaining fighters are scum. It could even be a black and a red, thou I kinda doubt it. I'd like to see some analysis done on those in the ring. I've already analysed Insanious, and thought that he looked scummy, but that was a while ago, and I need to re-evaluate him. I will probaly analyse Pandain first though, because no one has done any analytical work on rol/pandain. | ||
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The arena: Town's second lynch. Past: Why did BB die? Insanious, you are fairly cleared as a townie, but I want to know why you voted BB. Pandain, You are not cleared, so you'd better have a damn good reason for voting him. The only analysis that i remembered being done on BB was by meapak, and it showed him as most likely being town. (HERE) Why was there no real discussion amongst yourselves? Were you active in PM's? Present: Who should die now? Right, Pandain seems to be the obvious arena lynch, here's why: Three people are in the arena to start. It would be stupidly unfair to us the town, (especially if we are behind like the Cubedin is saying), if all three of them were townies. I seriously doubt that LSB would force us to lynch a townie with that. This means that of the three original people in the ring, one almost certainly scum. BrownBear was killed, and flipped green. He's as clear as they get. Insanious had his whole Villiage Idiot thing, and then his role was switched. We are still at 6/6 Mafia according to the OP, so I'm pretty dang sure that this clears him. Pandain replaced a lurker veteran player, and procceded to post spam. (Halarious spam, but spam nonetheless). He FoS'ed Cubedin (lol), and otherwise has made no contributions to speak of. Even without taking my theory of scum being in the original fight into account, he still looks scummy. ## Fight: Pandain Future: Who do we add to the ring? This is actually kind of a nice mechanic, because it will give us something to talk about at night. I think that we should approach this as a second "night lynch". It will be different in that the person will have a full day cycle to defend them self once they are put into the ring (assuming pandain is killed tomorrow, the addition will have that whole day to defend himself, and the next addition the next day and so forth.) This will be an excellent way to pressure people, because we show that we are ready to lynch them by putting them into the ring, but they will still have time to defend themselves if they are innocent. At any rate, I think that we should decide by discussing it in thread, then letting the blues make the final decision. They will be with us for tonight at least, so that will work for now. After then I'd say that we should turn final decisions over to confirmed townies, but i'm hesitant to give that power to jackal or eiii. Oddly enough, I'd be half comfortable with coag, as I've seen him build pretty good scum lists early in games before. He can be a little over confident, and he's not great at making a case, but his scumdar is better than many people. We should discuss amongst ourselves, and let the blues make the final decision tl;dr Brownbears killing needs to be explained Pandain should be killed tomorrow We need to decide TONIGHT who to put into the ring. | ||
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I think that he's certainly worth putting into the ring. Other people who I think might be worth looking into are Amber[light] and Kevconsim. I believe someone claimed Kev, but if it's not out sooner or later I'm taking it. FoS those who think that Meapak is mafia. It's possible that he's black, but if you even half of the analysis he's done, it's glaringly obvious he's not scum. | ||
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On April 02 2011 16:12 Coagulation wrote: well i think meapak is suspectable and IM UN FOSABLE and i will probably die tonight if i dont get med prot -_- I see what you did there. W/e. I've not done an analysis on him, but he's done more analysis than anyone else, so he gets a clear in my book. On the topic of analysis, I'm trying to compile a list of all the analyses that have been done thus far. I don't have the best memory, so if people can point out those that I've missed, I'd appreaciate it. Link to Analysis Analyers read: Confirmation of read Eii by Meapak Scum: Unconfirmed Amber[light] by Meapak Scum: Unconfirmed BrownBear by Meapak Green: Correct Annul by meapak Scum: Incorrect Kenpachi by kavdragon ScumUnconfirmed Insanious by Kavdragon Scum: 90% sure it's Incorrect | ||
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On April 02 2011 16:39 Eiii wrote: Ken's meta is pretty important to take into account-- he ALWAYS spams the thread with short, useless posts. I've been in a few games with him, and the only weird thing about his behavior this time around is that he made an attempt to put up a formal analysis post. Is that him trying to play better or scumbuddies pushing him to contribute more to town? Hmm. This is a good point. I don't remember playing with him, so if there's a meta history that I'm missing, please let me know. | ||
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On April 02 2011 16:42 Eiii wrote: Heh, claiming village idiot and then getting thrown in a subgame gets insanious 90% green but after I get confirmed by a blue I'm still 'unconfirmed'? also three 'i's! Heh. Fail. I was only confirming those that died, then I decided to throw in insanious. I missed you. I'll update that for the next time I post it. I'll take the blues word as at least a 90% confirm. (Cause it's INSANE, i'm not getting higher than 90% till death.) | ||
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Oh snap. I just realized what i was suggesting earlier: If pandain is actually scum, and we vote in another scum, the will be able to kill the townie. I mean, it would give them up, but still...That's a dangerous think to do. I think that given possible meta explinations, we should kill amber and vote kenpachi into the ring. Hmm. The more I think about two scum in the arena, the more I'm wondering what they could do... LSB, If we lynch someone in the arena, and kill another with the fight, does the last man vote in two people? | ||
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On April 02 2011 16:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Kav I also did an analysis of Beneather (although you're excused for missing it, it was minuscule lol) Link please? Anyone else who points out an analysis, please give me a link so I can add it to my list. =D thanks. Also, I'd suggest going over the analysis done on those who we are talking about. Amber by Meapak is something worth looking at. I agree with it's judgment. | ||
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Also, there were two townies with alternate win conditions already, as unlikely as it may seem, there might be a fourth-day village idiot. I mean, I did do a troll post about that sort of thing when LSB was making the roles, so it's possible. Anyways, I think that Amber[light] and Kenpachi should be killed. Coag, are you on board with killing off of Bum's list? Also, bum, do you have any thoughts on who we should vote into the arena? Pandain still hasn't said why he voted BB, and I won't accept "Because I wanted to dual Insanious" as an answer. He could have done that yesterday. Pandain, you've been rather quiet since you first got in. Why aren't you contributing/posting? If you didn't have time to do this in RL, you wouldn't have signed up as a replacement, so why so little activity? | ||
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My point was that we have more analysis on Kenpachi and Amberlight, so we should kill them. | ||
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On April 03 2011 09:56 ilovejonn wrote: true that. Right, so I move that we don't lynch him on grounds that he is either breaking his play to win condition, or he trying to get himself killed as part of his win condition. If we do NOT lynch him, he'll get mod-killed if he is scum(for playing against his win condition), and he'll not win if it IS part of an alternative win condition. | ||
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Who was roleblocked? CubEdIn, you're a DT, right? Who did you check? Jackal, did you already post your check? There were two DT like items in the IG, Coag, did you check anyone? | ||
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Eii by Meapak Scum: 90% sure it’s incorrect Amber[light] by Meapak Scum: Unconfirmed BrownBear by Meapak Green: Correct Annul by meapak Scum: Incorrect Kenpachi by kavdragon ScumUnconfirmed http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=200702¤tpage=163#3243］ Beneather by Meapak[/url] Townie: Unconfirmed Huh. Meapak played me like a fool. Guess I'm a sucker for analysis. w/e. Back to work. This list is all of the GF's analyses. There's wifom in there, but i think it's still worth looking into. Beneather got voted in. Was beneather voted in, or was he the default because no votes were sent in? | ||
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On April 03 2011 16:27 Kenpachi wrote: Yo Jonn. lets go down together. ##suicide Good Bye. Kavdragon ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/hsVkQ.jpg) Seriously? Did you even analyse me, or is this a gut feeling? Fail. | ||
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Based off the information we now have from the black market, it is apparent that blacks are ahead. We need to know more about the items they now posses. Firstly, Cubedin, you guys had the RPG's, can you confirm that they are a KP? Is there anything special about them? Second, do we know how many vests there are? Regardless, it seems very unlikely that will be able to kill blacks with KP other than lynches. On that note, our NUMBER ONE priority is to LYNCH BLACKS. Thankfully LSB gave us a beautiful gift: the double lynch that is the Arena. Now, as long as you guys concentrate on using the lynch for Blacks, and using your Night KP for reds, we can still pull out a town victory. Town came from behind with some solid analysis and good hunting in XXXVI, and we can do the same thing and win here. However, this will require effort on everyone's part. Now, I've been thinking about blacks since Meapak died. I defended him because he was doing analysis, but he was on my black list also. Now that he's flipped red, I've had to re-evaluate how the black team is likely to play. Meapak and I were the two people doing analysis, and he flipped red, and I know that I'm green. I cannot accept the heuristic that I have been using for black any longer. There's a crucial problem that I hadn't thought of: SK's are super pro-town because they HAVE to survive till the end, and they cannot be roleblocked. This means that they must avoid the lynch at all costs. This game is much different than that, because they have a team of players, who can influence and help. This makes them similar to a mafia team, with less members but with BPV's to make up for that. It seems to me, that this game will function more like a game with two mafia families in it. So how do we figure out the mafia from the blacks if they are both acting like mafia? The first way that i can think of is analysis on the connections between known scum. I don't mean things as obvious as support/callingout, these things could be set up of course, I'm talking about the tone people take with others, do they FoS some people differently than others? Find unusual connections. The second way is back checking people to see if they were making decisions or revealing information that they shouldn't have. For instance, assuming that the blacks actually gave us the names of scum, we know that they knew that before hand. Was anyone overly suspicious of Amberlight and Orgolove? Did they have good reasoning as to why they were their number one suspects? Assuming that bombs do NOT kill blacks, lynching ilovejohn seems like a bad idea at this point. Heh. Call me scum for opposing your plan, but i don't care I'm going to die in few hours and you'll see. As a townie, I will say that lynching ilovejohn is the wrong call right now. We need to lynch blacks, and if bombs can't do that, then we should have Coag shoot him or something. It's 4-3 right now, and if we kill many more scum, the balance will be upset badly. CubEdIn is dead on when he says we need to whittle them down evenly. The only way that we can realistically kill black is by lynch now, this means that they are practically guaranteed to survive for three more days, and every day we don't lynch one extends that. I wish I had more time to do analysis, but since I've been cut short, I'll simply say that i suspect Tnkted is black, and I suspect that Lanaia is also black. Meapak did analysis and he was scum. This does not mean that analysis is scummy. Analysis is, and always will be the key to victory, and I hope you guys start using it more. GL town, looks like you'll be needing it. | ||
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On April 03 2011 17:19 GMarshal wrote: BOOM! Kavdragon the Planeswalker from the seventh dimension is dead This is his role PM Sigh. Never thought I'd see a troll post for me. Thanks GM, hopefully I won't actually see you soon. Wait. Quick! I use Dimensional Jump! That works still, right? | ||
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On April 03 2011 17:33 Kenpachi wrote: Lanaia youre asking dumb questions. Says the guy who put his bombs on two townies. | ||
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On April 03 2011 17:39 Lanaia wrote: Please explain. I was asking how it was lost. I don't necessarily fully understand your role. I was merely asking kevconsim for some reasoning. That isn't dumb. If a mad hatter puts his bomb on someone, and that person dies (not to the bomb) they lose the bomb. He's probably saying that he had a bomb on iGrok, but the assassin killed iGrok, so he lost his bomb. (They usually have two) | ||
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Well huh. I've been thinking I was dead for a day, and when I finally get a connection again, I'm alive. I see no reason to hold this out any longer unless bulletproof keeps you from being lynched...0_0 Oh man, I'm going to have so many lols when you lynch me, because there's no way you're going to believe me, but meh. I'm dead in my mind anyways, so here you go: I'm bulletproof. Or at least i was, until I said that I was... Original Message From kitaman27: You are the Bulletproof-Bob. Your rough riding experiences during the war have sadly left you so terrified and suspicious that you have borrowed a used bulletproof jacket from your Vietnam buddy. Unfortunately, he was were shot with a cannon in the war, so there is a rather large hole in your vest. If you tell anyone about your vest, they know about the hole, and can shoot you through it. I was going to try to breadcrumb it, but LSB said that if he saw any sort of breadcrumb he would consider it a claim, and he would remove my protection. | ||
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I've been moving to a new house, and haven't set up the ISP for it. The only way I can post at all is by walking to a library near by, and even then, that library has a limit of one hour of internet per user. (Though I stretch that by logging off when I'm writing responses.) I'm honestly sorry that I wasn't able to contribute as much as I did in XXXVI, but you will remember that I was the mayor, and mayors need to stay really active. When I have contributed it's been good contribution. I should be able to post a bit more today because I'm back in school (as of today) so I have internet till around 3:30. I'll probably go to the library for the lynch too. | ||
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On April 05 2011 01:38 CubEdIn wrote: What about the bomb? You can't explain that! Lol, that's why I was confused. BP-ness has traditionally not worked during the day, and hasn't stopped bombs, no? As far as blacks go, I'll try to make some time today to get in analysis, but Jackal has already mentioned several of the points that make me think that Tnkted is black HERE. | ||
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On April 05 2011 06:37 Pandain wrote: Haha broski, bit hasty there? I've been gone for Youth in Government for the weekend, and sure as hell ain't gonna analyze anyone when everyone has like 50000000000 posts. Plus so much latin I have to do Why did you replace if you aren't willing to do any work to help us catch scum? You wouldn't. So why aren't you helping? Because you are scum. However... Guys, what do we think about Beneather? It's possible that he's black. The first thing that his clues reminded me of was a BPV, but that might have been because i was wearing one, and so it was in my mind. There are a few things that don't quite work out, like a BPV being comfortable, but I'd be interested in hearing what your thoughts are on the matter. | ||
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On March 24 2011 13:51 OriginalName wrote: What do Blacks come backs to DT checks? LOL. This was OriginalName's first post after alignment roles went out. On another note, to those who said I wasn't posting enough to get myself hit (which is what BP person should do): Why do you think I ran for mayor? I asked before the game started if Blues would be allowed to PM eachother, and if there was any chance of traitors among them. Based off that information, it was obvious that only a blue would get elected. I ran because I knew that i would lose while drawing attention to myself. I then started posting analysis and extremely helpful plans for town. Guess what. Scum hit me. If I were black, why would I run for mayor, and attract all that attention to myself. I was practically begging to be hit by scum with my pro-town posting. That's the LAST thing a black would want to do! They want to avoid being lynched of course, but they also have to make sure that they aren't going to be hit by mafia, so that the mafia don't figure them out. Think about it. All my play early on was very pro-town, and even though my analysis was wrong, I knew it didn't matter, because scum would know that I was serious about analysing. Think of the discussion at the end of last game, and the discussion at the beginning of this one. Everyone was saying "Kill the analysts early. Don't wait till they peg your whole team." Why the hell would I play that way if i was black? It doesn't make sense. | ||
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On March 24 2011 13:51 OriginalName wrote: What do Blacks come backs to DT checks? LOL. This is his first post after alignments are sent out. Now this wouldn’t stand out to me as being a giant scum slip if he was asking questions about lots of things, and different factions, but he’s not. In fact, having gone through all his posts, Every single question he has asked in the game DIRECTLY relates to blacks. If that’s not a scum slip, I don’t know what is. On March 25 2011 10:25 OriginalName wrote: My opinion of town at the moment -_- ![[image loading]](http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/3/24/d7e3b6c2-285b-42a2-b6e1-d02c403bf1ce.jpg) He refers to the town from a third person’s point of view. This one post in itself doesn’t scream scum at me, but throughout the game he frequently writes about the town as if he is not a part of it. On April 01 2011 05:30 OriginalName wrote: 1. Pandain 2. Jackal58 3. OriginalName 4. Kenpachi 5. deconduo 6. Kavdragon 8. bumatlarge 10. Coagulation 11. orgolove 13. Meapak_Ziphh 15.kevconsim 16. Mr. Wiggles 17. CubEdIn 18. GGQ 19. ilovejonn 20. Amber[LighT] 21. BrownBear 22. Lemonwalrus 24. tnkted 26. Lanaia 28. Beneather 29. Insanious 30. Eiii Red is Scum in general black is no real read Green/blue is town On top of the point above, he rarely specifies between the two types of scum. He almost never says “You are Mafia” and he’s Never said “You are black”. This distinction would be hard to publish for scum because it reqires lieing about what they believe. I would say that this indecision points to him being scum in general (lol, ironic), but the rest of his posting points to black. On March 26 2011 13:28 OriginalName wrote: Alright guys first off: Why are we scumhunting using role PMs? Sure a scum could conceivably slip when referencijg such a thing but using the to "confirm" yourself is stupid and honestly who knows if all the PMs were written the same, it just seems irrelevant. My second point is on the word "confirmed": The next person to used aforementioned word to describe another player especially if they are town should be lynched (and i realize ive used it too but when i think about i was being an idiot) nobody and I repeat NOBODY is "confirmed" until they're experiencing a bullet through the head or a short drop and a sudden stop. Do you know what happens when people are "confirmed" and they turn out to be GFs or Framed townies? We get ourselves into worse and worse situations. This post (and many that followed if you remember) argued heavily against the idea of a confirmed townie. He comments several times on how there’s no such thing. This marks him as scum in general because there is nothing more scary to scum, than a confirmed townie, much less multipul confirmed townies. On March 30 2011 12:36 OriginalName wrote: On the contrary if we take this logic Did Coag ever waver? fuck no he didnt! While im not saying this is enough to indite him of being scum it certainly is a possiblity. If we want to play it risky we keep coag alive via med stacking or something if we want to play safe we kill them all and leave the item game for dust. Bus Driver fail is my last addition. LOL. The only party who is out of the IG at this point in the game I Black. They are the only ones who want the item game to die, and no one to get items. Ridiculously obvious? Check. On April 03 2011 11:48 OriginalName wrote: What the fuck are you smoking? Bum nor any of the other blues were in the item game. On top of that the blacks are fingering you as scum? Why should we listen to anything you have to say when your basically mod confirmed. LOL. The list that the blacks gave us in the BM was never, and still isn't "Mod-Confirmed" the only way that it could be mod-confirmed is if a mod told you, and the only people who were told the red names by a mod were the blacks. Why you so trusting in the blacks OriginalName? More obvious? Check. Do I need to say more? OriginalName is the clearest lynch we have people, don’t let the scum bandwagon me to death. Remember what happened last time we lynched someone who had this majority of votes on them? (Well. Ok, who also didn’t flat out admit to being scum) ##Lynch: OriginalName | ||
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On April 05 2011 08:18 Eiii wrote: you know blacks are bulletproof, right? Yes, what about it? | ||
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On April 05 2011 08:25 CubEdIn wrote: Come on guys, how convenient is that? The one guy who scum thinks is black and who survived a bomb is bulletproof. That's a big freaking coinkindink. Let's just lynch him. We did coag's lynch when I was trying to switch it, now do mine. I earned it damn it, I had bum as a team mate!!! Are you serious? You are pointing out the very lynch that we are about to repeat! "Those who do not learn from history are damned to repeat it." I finally get to school where I have a connection and can start helping/leading, and I'm going to get lynched? I am the lazy lynch right now. If you guys put any analysis into it, it would be obvious. But no, I had the misfortune of being gone for a whole day, during which the scum piled on me. And now the you guys are too lazy to look at the facts and stop my lynch? I'll say it now. We are going to lose because no one else is willing to put in real time and effort into analyzing people's play. Look at my analysis of OriginalName. How is that not a better lynch target? | ||
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On April 05 2011 08:44 CubEdIn wrote: Dude, every red is a better lynch target, if things were normal. We have 2 confirmed and we know 100% that ON is scum. So make that three. But we don't want to aim for reds. We want to aim for blacks. His analysis doesn't confirm his black as much as it confirms his scumminess. You survived a bomb and a bullet, that's extra scummy in my eyes. Plus, you've only started to defend yourself when people started questioning it. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. It may be an unfortunate set of happenings that lead to this point, and I swear I'll push ON as the next lynch, but right now, I don't believe you're bulletproof. How many freaking bulletproofs are there? 4 black, + vest in IG, + you, + deconduo's "vet". Can nobody die in this game by a single fucking KP? No. You're not changing my mind. And if you're town. I'm sorry, I really am, but now is the worst time to start being active. Good God, CubEdIn: Did you read my analysis? He only asks about blacks. He calls the black's list of red's "Mod Confirmed." He's black, that's what my analysis says. I'm not going to lie and say that things that are not black slips are not black slips. I'm a townie. I don't do that. But there are so many other indications that he is black, that it's obvious! | ||
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Do you remember what it was that nailed your scum team in XXXVI? It was analysis. If I had relied on events, Bum would have gotten away with his claim, and the town would have lost. You've already proven that you will not do analysis, and no one else looks to be stepping up to the plate. Once I'm gone, what are you going to do? Look at OriginalName. He's been useless this entire game. I've been helpful as much as i can given pretty damn trying situations. Is it really worth the risk? Who would to rather lose if you made a mistake? | ||
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- way less chatty than normal Did I mention that I have to walk to a library to post anything? - described as "pro-town, but with an alternate win condition" by bum Did Bum ever do any analysis? No. He was basing that off of my low activity, (explained above), and the fact that the mafia suspected me. - survived shot + bomb Yes, because I'm bullet proof. - claimed bulletproof, which is the only possible way you're not black, big freaking coincidence Not a coincidence. Look: I got the attention of the town, in order to draw a hit on me. I got hit, but didn't die. This aroused mafia's + Bum's suspicion that I'm Black. Mafia say that they think I'm black to town. Kenpachi bombs me off of this. People say I'm black because I survived. See? You have it backwards. The reason why I've attracted all this attention, the bombs and the mafia shots, was because I was BP from the beginning. The fact that i'm BP is what caused all the events to happen. I didn't claim BP because they all happened. Even now, when I ask you to lynch ilovejohn, something that would kill me AND a scum, you won'e accept it. I'm sad, CubEdIn. You had great plans and good advice, but you can't see this. LSB, I told you this role was broken. To be fair, it wasn't for the reasons I had thought, but still. It's broken. | ||
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On April 05 2011 09:08 CubEdIn wrote: Lol. I'd rather lose a town, then 2 towns and a red. Don't worry, the reds will die in numbers tonight, due to hatters, blacks, and vigi. Why trade a townie for a red now, when blacks will have to waste a KP or RB on him during the night? And said red will die as a result anyway. No, if ilovejohn dies tonight, you can bet that he'll be roleblocked. You wonder why there's no one other than jackal sticking up for me? Cause you're doing exactly what the scum want. | ||
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On April 05 2011 09:24 deconduo wrote: It would be nice if you guys made up your minds on who to lynch. If theres any ambiguity the blacks will rape us with vote manips Oh lol. You are so scummy Decon: If blacks have vote manipulation powers, they'd have won already. They won the black market, and we KNOW that there was at least 20mill in there, for them to have bought out the BM. Votes cost .5 mill, which means that they would be able to out vote the entire town for something like 4 days. In addition, if the vote is not close, then the list cannot be analysed. CubEdIn of all people should know this. He was the first to point out that a completely one sided vote leaves no clues as to who wanted what. | ||
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On April 05 2011 09:25 CubEdIn wrote: I've gone out of my way to explain why trading town (jonn) for scum is a stupid idea several times. LET SCUMS DEAL WITH IT. 1. They have to waste KP on him and/or Role-Block. 2. This is nothing but beneficial to town. 3. Reds are gonna die anyway. In my eyes, only a black would want us to lynch a townie, so they can use their KPs on other targets. I mean, fuck, if I was black there'd be nothing better than two of my enemies to go down in one lynch in this scenario, am I right?! The fact that you're advocating this, alone, makes you 100% black in my eyes. Please tell me the BENEFIT of trading jonn for scum tonight. Please do! And again, you don't really have to convince me, convince anyone else. I'll believe you're town when you flip. I promise. Point conceded. If you are 100% sure that I'm black, than yes. You are correct. However, if you have any doubt that I'm black (there should be, cause I'm not) the safer path is to lynch ilovejohn. I just wish the rest of the town saw this/didn't owe you favors. Oh, and look: You're own plan to check role PM's? On April 01 2011 18:51 Kavdragon wrote: Your the you that. used your redacted. 5,10,15,20, 25,30,35 respectively. Original Message From kitaman27: You are the Bulletproof-Bob. Your rough riding experiences during the war have sadly left you so terrified and suspicious that you have borrowed a used bulletproof jacket from your Vietnam buddy. Unfortunately, he was were shot with a cannon in the war, so there is a rather large hole in your vest. If you tell anyone about your vest, they know about the hole, and can shoot you through it. If I had this roleclaim set up earlier, why wouldn't I have claimed it? | ||
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Every post that I have made has been trying to put me in as much of a pro-town light as possible. My actions are those of a townie who has been trying to draw hits. Not a black, who should be trying to avoid being shot. OriginalName is a MUCH better lynch. Read my analysis of him. It is CLEAR that he is BLACK. Not just that he is scum. Which of us two would you rather lynch? The guy who was unanimously dog-piled with votes, who has played a helpful role in the town, or the guy who is lurking, not helping, and otherwise being really unhelpful. The choice is obvious. If you are that concerned with killing me, or if you still think that there is a chance that im black, put me into the ring, and have me lynched. Insanious is town, and beneather will follow your vote. Killing a black right now won't lower thier KP, so putting me in the ring if I'm black doesn't hurt the town at all. Who else would you put in? OriginalName? Would you deley the lurker's exicution in order to kill the active person faster? No! Lynch Original name, put me in the arena! | ||
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On April 05 2011 11:54 Coagulation wrote: kav might be black.. but he might be town also.. someone should dt him This would be helpful as I may or may not be around to defend myself. If scum think that I'm going to get a few more analyses off, I might get offed by them. Who knows. @Lanaia: Why you do you hate me? It wasn't a breadcrumb. There was NOTHING that could have told someone that I was BP. Otherwise claiming that I'm a townie could be considered breadcrumbing. | ||
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Anybody get roleblocked last night? + Show Spoiler + Come on, you know you want to claim. | ||
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On April 06 2011 11:18 LSB wrote: Oh yeah I should add to the night post Someone was about to go outside to kill someone but he was wrapped in duct tape. Another person drove around a bus, but it didn't matter. And there was a loud explosion in the distance The person who was RB'd was going to use a KP. The people who had KP were Coag (accounted for) Reds (Unaccounted for) and Blacks (RPG's Accounted for) Since reds were the ones who had the RB'r, and they wouldn't RB themselves, there must be someone else with KP. | ||
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Original Message From kitaman27: You are the Veteran! You have one extra night life! By one extra night life I mean if you die you get ressed as a zombie Where does it say that you kill the person who kills you? | ||
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Funny how that letter got cut out of the middle of the sentence. | ||
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Yeah, cubedin. The plan looks good to me. | ||
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Please don't go. =( | ||
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Come to think of it, I'm pretty OK with this game being second in size. That's a freaking LONG game. | ||
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The ability that you have described has almost the exact same effect as the Ninja Apparant, except that you don't have to activate your role, and it goes through BP. The fact that it's so similar, and that much stronger than the Ninja Apperant is really suspicious. | ||
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On April 07 2011 07:23 CubEdIn wrote: wtf no, the underboss had the role-block. ON was the puppeteer. wtf is going on here y mess with my head amber! Pandain was the puppeteer. ON wasn't anything I don't think. | ||
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On April 07 2011 06:56 deconduo wrote: I already explained why Kav would have come up with a fake PM on day 2. Also he's the best player in the game so of course he came up with a good PM. As flattering as you are, I'm not that good. There are a lot of things that make your claim so hard to believe. Take your claim for instance: You claimed vet day 2. The purpose of vets is to draw hits to themselves, and claiming vet more or less defeats the purpose of the entire role! Anyone who was actually a vet would have spent the time to look over my posts to check and see if I actually claimed vet. You've played long enough to understand this, and yet you made a mistake, cause I didn't claim vet. It just doesn't make sense. I wasn't being really spammy, so it wouldn't have taken very long to look through my posts to see where I claimed vet, yet you didn't. It just doesn't make sense from a vet's perspective. However, if you look at it from a black's perspective, it makes a ton of sense: You pretend to be a vet that made a mistake, and in an accident, you tell people that you're a vet. This would make anyone with KP shy away from hitting you. It wasn't a bad plan for a black, I mean, you haven't been hit yet, have you? And even if you were/are hit, you've got your explanation all set up for you. | ||
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On April 07 2011 08:48 deconduo wrote: I claimed to get you lynched, not to draw hits. It wasn't a mistake. If I was hit I would be dead. Read my claim. Your claim says that you have +1 night life. lol, so you're saying that your role PM doesn't actually do what it says, but it does this other cool thing. | ||
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On April 07 2011 08:48 deconduo wrote: I claimed to get you lynched, not to draw hits. It wasn't a mistake. If I was hit I would be dead. Read my claim. Original Message From kitaman27: You are the Veteran! You have one extra night life! By one extra night life I mean if you die you get ressed as a zombie Oh wait, lol, cause you would be a ZOMBIE!? | ||
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You're trying too hard for you to not actually hate me. I was roleblocked night two, dear. Good luck all. | ||
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On April 07 2011 19:43 deconduo wrote: For example: -Decon proves kav is lying about being vet. How many times do I have to tell you? I never claimed ANYTHING about why I survived. Only that I was hit. If you were a real vet you would have checked this to be sure. On April 07 2011 19:35 deconduo wrote: Lets throw away the fact that the timing of my roleclaim makes perfect sense for a green and no sense for a black. On April 07 2011 08:27 Kavdragon wrote: You claimed vet day 2. The purpose of vets is to draw hits to themselves, and claiming vet more or less defeats the purpose of the entire role! Anyone who was actually a vet would have spent the time to look over my posts to check and see if I actually claimed vet. You've played long enough to understand this, and yet you made a mistake, cause I didn't claim vet. It just doesn't make sense. I wasn't being really spammy, so it wouldn't have taken very long to look through my posts to see where I claimed vet, yet you didn't. It just doesn't make sense from a vet's perspective. However, if you look at it from a black's perspective, it makes a ton of sense: You pretend to be a vet that made a mistake, and in an accident, you tell people that you're a vet. This would make anyone with KP shy away from hitting you. It wasn't a bad plan for a black, I mean, you haven't been hit yet, have you? And even if you were/are hit, you've got your explanation all set up for you. Even if we take into account that you kill your killer instead of surviving the shot, your "role" is still one that is designed to take a hit: You die, your killer dies. A green for a scum is a good trade any day. No matter how you look at it, any role who's power activates on death is NOT a role designed to make it to the end of the game. You were meant to be hit, you claimed at a time that didn't make sense for a green, but makes tons of sense for black. | ||
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On April 08 2011 09:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote: There's a guy called Wiggles88. Expect a deathmatch. lolololol. Seriously? I swear, that number is everywhere. + Show Spoiler + You have no proof that it was me. Innocent till proven guilty was one of the best rules ever invented. | ||
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On April 08 2011 03:58 deconduo wrote: 'Sup kavvy boi, what was the word you intended to redact and why? You were correct. The words I claimed actually lined up with the REAL role PM I had, which was ASSASSIN! Original Message From kitaman27: You are the Assassin. Your mission is to kill the King. To do this you are given one dagger that can be thrown. Once used you will not get your dagger back. Beware! The King (<-- Redacted) has two Bodyguards you must eliminate first! If you kill the king, you will retrieve your knife and be able to use it again. You called most (but not all) of my bluffs Decon, the only problem you had was making yourself look like town. I honestly hold to all my arguments as to why you look black, btw. (Mainly that your role-claim didn't make that much sense for green.) | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote: And you thought you were gonna lynch me. :p Not while I have a knife that says differently. Also, post is late by my watch. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:01 Lanaia wrote: I knew it. Haha, you were way more right then you had a right to be. Black, and assassin. Guilty as charged. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:04 GMarshal wrote: [spectral voice] I laugh at Kav thinking he won, did you miss the fact that I haunted someone tonight Kav... specifically the king... [/spectral voice] What!? NOOOO! I was supposed to be the sole winner! Oh wait. Not actually a win condition. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:05 ilovejonn wrote: Ok guys, remember never to give Kav the benefit of the doubt for not posting alot because he has to go out to use the Internet. Lynch him either way regardless of irl issues! Heh. that was mostly true. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:08 Coagulation wrote: yeah i dont see how town could possibly have lost. we nailed scum all game. and it still wasnt enough. Bum was going to shoot me with two rocket launchers. If his hit wasn't five minutes late, there would have been no contest. EASY town victory. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:09 CubEdIn wrote: I'm just confused because LSB said that the assassin killing the king would not end the game. O_o It wasn't a win condition. The game's not over. Yet. I just need to kill one more person. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:10 ilovejonn wrote: oh someone kill me so my bombs can blow up, MY BOMBS DAMN IT, i don't want them to go to waste Your wish is my command. Hope you like your death. I wrote it. =D | ||
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WTF town? You did NO analysis? | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:13 ilovejonn wrote: Bomb1: Kavdragon Bomb2: Kavdragon DIE DIE DIE NO NO NO! you can't do that! It'll ruin everything! Wait. I sent in the command before you did that, so theoretically it should be done before the bombs are blewn... | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:15 ilovejonn wrote: wow really 2 bombs into a vest with a hole and its still not enough = = also kav, no one wants to do analysis when there's 1000 posts per player to read. this is why i hated the spam in the beginning. Lol, no. The bulletproof-Bob thing was a fake claim. Totally made that up the night I posted it. Just had to work a little harder to make it fit the words that I claimed. | ||
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Yeah, town can say that BP is OP all they want, but Confirmed townies are almost as OP. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:19 GMarshal wrote: Where is my best Ghost award? I even made an IRC for us and everything T.T (hell I had more posts after death than half the scumteam) G-G-G-GHHOOOOOSSSSTT AWARDDDdDddddd... GMarshal | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:22 bumatlarge wrote: I did analysis on darm lol, in my head Who needs to prove anything to anyone when everyone believes you and you have the power to do what needs to be done? You do. If you cannot maintain the trust that was put in you when you were elected, you will find yourself without any power. Ask anyone if they were happy with the way that you led. | ||
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Hahah, I never stopped wondering if there was some sort of ability where you could sense the assassin and try to get him lynched. I swear, you were onto me worse than Cubedin was before my defense. | ||
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In Memoriam ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/wufdZ.jpg) Brother, rest, thy warfare o'er; Sleep the sleep that knows no breaking; Dream of battlefields no more; Days of danger, nights of waking. In dedication to those we lost along the way: Darmousseh OriginalName We will always remember you. With pictures of cats in top hats and monocles. Thank You. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/vovIz.jpg) | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:30 Lanaia wrote: It was nice, and I accidentally revealed my role but I didn't actually say what I was called and then they all knew and it was an accident and askfdljhdfkh3ofje. If Jackal hadn't know what my role was, I'd likely have been more careful there. I didn't like how the blacks did get to use RPGs after the pm appeared to say otherwise. @ mod Do I get to know what woulda happened to my powers had I been mayor? Jackal gave away the fact that you were king really fast. I suspected it as soon as he said that he would reveal, but when he did the fuc[b][/bking thing....Lol, that was too obvious a breadcrumb for someone who was looking for the king. As far as the RPG's go, all items that we won had their restrictions lifted after we won. It was part of the rules, just not in the role PM part. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Lol, I already did it. :3 Something like that shouldn't be spoiled. (Uh...I totally posted it again on purpose...heh.) | ||
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Tell me about it. LSB told me that Bombs couldn't penetrate BP. (I actually specifically asked if a bomb + KP or bomb could do it, and he said no. But w/e. Didn't matter in the end) | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:35 Jackal58 wrote: CubeD outed her first. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I won't question it. Also, Chaoser, you have no idea how much wifom we went through before finally decideing to kill you. You put up a good fight, and didn't even know it. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:37 Lanaia wrote: He said that after you knew my role and after I'd accidentally outed myself. I'd almost outted myself when iGrok was killed. No king would intentionally breadcrumb as hard as he did, would they? Well I managed to miss that like a pro. Not that it mattered in the end. Killing Bum the next night was more important than you. (Cause of the RPG's ++) | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:38 LSB wrote: Are you guys going to expose the IRC? Because this was an insanely active game for dead players I knew about the irc since...day 4? Something like that. GMarshal wasn't all that careful about signing into multipule channels. I never went in (promise), but I knew bout it. What'd you guys talk about anyways? | ||
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Day 5.1: Requiescat In Pace ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/JurYW.jpg) The last five members of the town gathered in the town circle to carry out the bidding of Cubedin. Per his orders, Deconduo and Kavdragon seized Mr.Wiggles and started to drag him up onto the platform of the gallows. Wiggles chuckled as he let his weight fall onto the arms of his captors, and kicked his feet about in a frolicsome fashion. “Stop it!” shouted Deconduo, delivering a kick to the shins of Wiggles. Wiggles only laughed louder, and began taunting Deconduo. “You really thought it would be so easy?”, he giggled, “You think I’d let myself die, just like this? If you apologize, maybe I won’t kill you”. “To bad you couldn’t save Tackster!” he continued, “I wonder who you will FAIL at saving next? Your useless little neck,I hope?” Finally, as they got to the top of the platform Deconduo screamed “I’VE HAD ENOUGH”, and threw Wiggles to the ground. He began kicking Wiggles brutally until Kavdragon said in a quiet, but commanding voice “It would be in your best interest to stop that Decon.”. Decon spat in Kav’s direction, and then froze as he eyed the blade Kav had pulled out. Decon’s eyes went wide as he recognised the blade. A blade that had only previously been seen in the back of iGrok. “You! You killed iGrok!? You.. You are the assassin!?” Enraged, Decon charged at Kav, who calmly stepped to the side, then threw his knife with deadly accuracy. Decon paused his charge, and looked at himself briefly before beginning to laugh. “You missed! Ha HA!” “YOU MISSED YOUR SHOT BLACKY”. Suddenly there was a loud THUMP as the attention of all was drawn to ilovejohn. He lay on his side, knife plunged into his heart, clutching a ticking clock. Realization shot into Decon’s eyes, and then quickly left. “But his bombs are on Wiggles!” “You would kill your own friend?” he said questioningly. Knowing what would happen next, Kav didn’t bother to reply as he leapt off the platform as it exploded in a large fireball that threw Decon into the arms of Cubedin, who had been simply standing there, wide eyed at the events as they unfolded. As the smoke began to lift from the remains of the platform, a low chuckling sound was heard. As Cubedin got up and dusted themselves off, a sudden gust of wind blew the cloud to the off the platform debris, and from the darkness a figure emerged. “It’ll take a lot more than that to kill me, boys”. “But...but..” stuttered Cubedin. Wiggles smiled, “Let’s just say our financiers like to protect their investments”, and with that pulled open his jacket to reveal the layers of Kevlar underneath. Panic stricken, Cubedin shouted at Decon to lynch Wiggles, but the cries fell on deaf ears. “Don’t you see?” said Kavdragon and Wiggles in an eerie unison. “You’ve lost, old man.” “Bu..but...We...we voted for wiggles first! He should be lynched!” said a dismayed Cubedin. “Yes,” replied Kavdragon, “but you see...This is INSANE.” With that Kavdragon wrote in the dirt with the toe of his boot “##Vote:Cubedin.” Wiggles followed suit, writing “##Vote: Cubein”, and drawing a pistol from his now tattered suit. “LSB” Wiggles shouted, eyes never leaving Cubedin, “I believe we have a tie in the votes.” “Oh. Hrmm. Yes, I see.” came the reply from overhead. The sun suddenly sped below the horizon, and the moon shot up. “There we go. Carry on.” finished LSB. Wiggles grinned. “Nothing personal, just good business” he said, then aimed his pistol at Cubedin, and fired. Black team has achieved Victory! Prologue: Dulce Et Decorum Est Pro Patria Mori Decon looked up from his kneeling position on the dirt, clutching his recently broken arm. “So what then? Will I die because this town failed to heed my warnings?”. He said sadly. “No.” replied Kavdragon. “No, I know no greater anguish than to see the town you fought so hard to defend, crumble when victory was in it’s grasp.” With that, a black cab pulled up, a small cloud of dust following. A man with dark glasses got out and opened the rear door, then stood at attention to the side. Deconduo fell forward into the dirt, feebly trying to grab at his assailants, but to no use. “Good bye, Decon. It truly was a pleasure meeting you.” said Wiggles, as he got into the car, his face disappearing behind the blackened glass. And then they left, leaving Deconduo with nothing but the small cloud of dust stirred up by the wheels of the sedan on the dirt road. + Show Spoiler + In Memoriam Brother, rest, thy warfare o'er; Sleep the sleep that knows no breaking; Dream of battlefields no more; Days of danger, nights of waking. In dedication to those we lost along the way: Darmousseh OriginalName We will always remember you. With pictures of cats in top hats and monocles. Thank You. | ||
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Kavdragon
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Town: Allowed to post PM's from MODs Instantly confirmed six townies (Blues + BG's) Plus those in the item game. Tons of BA roles (like Beneather) Black: BP Red: NOTHING (Sorry guys, you kinda were screwed) The black market could have been won by anyone. While blacks may have had an advantage because of the BP, they also had BOTH factions trying to kill them. (Reds and Blues had to kill Black to win BM) The fact that we got away with selling out RPG's and not having them shot was a BIG fail by town. You're mistakes made us OP. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:52 CubEdIn wrote: No offense kav, but this is why I thought you were telling the truth in the role PM You spell "you're" instead of your a lot. And Kita never does. So I decided your PM was authentic. I didn't think you'd take bits and pieces from the real one. That was the biggest clue by which I let the vendetta against you go. lol. Yeah, the funny thing was that the only reason that I spelled it the right way so many times was because I claimed the word "your" not "You're" And no offence taken at any of my spelling. I'm a lazy person, and spelling isn't my forte. I deserve all the shame I garner. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:54 CubEdIn wrote: No, I get that, it's all bum's fault. But I don't get how they managed to get 4 kps in the last night. (1 on lanaia, 1 on jonn = kav's KP and then the knife, but the two on deconduo?!) Check out my day post. Decon didn't actually die. | ||
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On April 08 2011 11:56 CubEdIn wrote: and Insanious did die randomly (no?) since he was confirmed town and the bot (as town) would have had no reason to vote for him. I don't know what the play was there, but it was pretty obvious that pandain was the red after the first kill (since ins was green). Pandain got a higher score in tetris than Insanious did, so he won his vote. Pandain made him vote Insanious. | ||
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On April 09 2011 01:51 aidnai wrote: I claim full responsibility for kav winning. If it weren't for my overbearing negativity to him irl, he never would have risen to the challenge and pulled this game out. You have no idea how true this is. Everytime I tried really hard to do something it was because he was taunting me so much at the time. When i was about to get lynched, he got REALLY bad, and that's when i put the most effort into making sure he would be wrong. Also, you were wrong about everything, so take that, sucker. On April 09 2011 01:24 Ace wrote: hahahahaha amazing! He PM'd me asking for advice to live through the lynch but since I had no idea what was going on (except RoL ragequiting) I was of no real use. You were more help that you think. I was planning on just causing chaos, and then you were like "Well, if you can pull of a roleclaim you might be able to live through it" and I was like..."Wut? Live?" Then I tried to actually survive, instead of just make people doubt everything they knew. | ||
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First of all, you are fools if you think you are the only ones who were lied to. I asked in no uncertain terms "Can a bomb + KP kill me? Can two bombs kill me?" and he told me NO. K? I got lied to a lot also, and I had a ton of plans that went wrong because I didn't ask the right question. This is the way that LSB works. He will answer your question in a way that doesn't give you new information. It's totally fair, and I wouldn't have it any other way. He's not going to baby you and tell you the possible outcome of EVERY situation. If you had thought of the possibility that Tnkted busses himself, then you should have asked him ABOUT THAT SITUATION. I don't know about the town, but I'll bet they had similar experiances, and do you see any of us QQ'ing and raging in the thread? No. "But green/black actually had a chance to win..." I call BS on that. You had just as much a chance as any of us. The reason we did better was because we didn't give up when one of our plans went wrong. Blacks had their ONE KP role blocked when we finally had a shot at the king, Kenpachi's bomb didn't kill me, ilovejohn didn't kill Wiggles, the list goes on and on. LSB put in a ridiculous amount of effort into setting this thing up, and you give him NO credit for that. Insane is called insane for a reason: EVERYTHING is OP! It's about who can use their OP the most effectivly, about who can get their hands on as much as they can, and who can get away with the most dangerous risks. If you wanted to play a normal balanced game, play a NORMAL game. LSB was obviously concerned that the game not be badly unbalanced so he checked with vets on more than one occasion to make sure he was in the right. You give him no credit for that either. I could argue any point made mafia has made so far, but it all comes down to learning that shit happens, so deal with it. Don't go QQ and blame everyone else about it. + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2011 12:38 Amber[LighT] wrote: I'll never play in an LSB game again. Sorry dude you could have corrected your mistake but instead acted like it was our fault. There were too many mechanics. Um. Yes, it's INSANE mafia. This is the core essence of Insane. If you don't like it, don't play. Black market was broken for third party. Blacks had to sell things that got them killed, you guys had to sell things that protected your enemies. Since you town/mafia already have the numbers advantage, anything that can kill us is a REALLY bad thing. Blacks had no powers they could buy/sell (like votes or drugs) If black market was bought out(by red/blue) , half of the Black team would be revealed, leaving only ONE unrevealed member after the IG. We had a greater burden to win it. Both Reds and Blues had the mission to kill two blacks in order to win the black market. Our mission was to kill the blues, one of which was protected by two hidden bodyguards. HOW WAS THIS EASIER FOR BLACK? Blues cheated and got slapped on the wrist twice. They broke the rules given by the BM OP, and for it they were punished EXACTLY as it was detailed that they should be IN THE OP. "Slapped on the wrist"? No. Dealt with appropriately. Coagulation is the worst mafia player ever. Of all the people that should pat themselves on the back for a job well done he should be the last. The game was fucked from nearly Day 3. Nothing you did benefited the town. You caused the town demise. QQ some moar. I lost almost all respect I had for you as a player, and that's actually saying a lot. Coag has amazing scumdar. No one is 100% all the time. The only shortcoming he has is his inability/unwillingness to make convincing arguments. GL to everyone in BB's game And just wanted to add something else. WTF was the deal with the arena? First you put Pandain in. Then replace him with RoL so a mafia is in it. You endangered a key mafia role by just throwing him in there, and then just gave up. If Pandain wasn't going to be active just give me or orgo the ability to use. | ||
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On April 09 2011 05:19 Rean wrote: Since I see everyone saying that black had it so bad on the BM: Blue's objective was to kill the reds, not the blacks. Blues had to kill reds, reds had to kill blacks and blacks had to kill blues. My bad. I miss read the PMs. People were saying that BM was black favored btw. So scratch that point off my list of why it was not black favored. | ||
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Edit: Make that PM. I doubt I'll be on much this weekend, and I don't want to look like I'm running away. | ||
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And yeah, coag's statement about the game matches my sentiment about it. I had a great time playing all. Wiggles and I should be a team more often. He kept me from doing so many crazy things. I had a hundred and one claims and schemes that I ran by him, thankfully only one or two actually came to reality. | ||
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On April 10 2011 03:50 Rean wrote: TBH I should get a award for the unluckiest person of them all. I was in the blue team, getting by far the least exciting role of them all (a alignment check DT. Compared to a black market agent, another black market agent doubling as mayor and a bulletproof role-checking DT that could send anonymous messages if one of us died). I was constantly asking about the black market, but never really got any serious info about it (I thought we could just buy 4 red names if we got 20 million, no-one ever told me the black market would shut down). Then, the one lucky moment I had all game: I dt'd the right person, Lemonwalrus, only to get the result he's blue. Tnkted claims, and my check turns out to be useless since it got bussed to Bum. Next night, mafia decides that they want to kill Jackal. So, to avoid him getting mediced, they decide to MC the busdriver to bus Jackal and someone else around, deciding to pick me out of all the other possibilities. Then LSB decides that this breaks the laws of physics and boom, i get killed without it even being intended. ;/ Not to mention having to watch town fuck stuff up even more after I die, with Bum taking the cake failing to hand in his night actions in time ;/ Should have asked for access bro! I was the only black on my team without access, and I was really confused about it for a while at first too. Then I asked LSB if i could read (not post) it. He said it was fine, and I got the link to the QT. Seriously unlucky kill though. Better luck next game! | ||
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