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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 27 2011 13:15 chaoser wrote: Supporting a lynch of a red/black player doesn't mean as much as it usually does since reds don't know black and visa versa. It's more important to look at who's against the lynches. If we're going to take that approach you all are on my list. | ||
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Kavdragon
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I'd strongly suggest anyone with KP hit him tonight. | ||
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Coagulation
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chaoser
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On March 27 2011 13:50 Coagulation wrote: yeah no shit kav Yo, don't be so mean lol, maybe it's not all crap. Kav, you going to post soon? Too drunk, too sleepy, going to go eat some chocolate and vinegar chips and crash . Peace outside motherfuckers, going to sleep. | ||
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On March 27 2011 14:19 Coagulation wrote: sorry i was trying to be enthusiastic. its ok its ok lol <3 <3 <3 coag | ||
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Kavdragon
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GMarshal
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DT and Vigi shot targets- Insanious- I have a scum feeling from him, nothing solid, so I eagerly await kavs analysis, decent vigi shot target Amber[Light]- I still feel he is lurking, and I really want to see specifics from him, decent vigi shot target Meapak_Ziphh- I am getting a really weird vibe of off him, I think he may be scum and I want to see a DT check on him BrownBear- lurking hardcore I need to see a dt on him or a vigi shot, it unnerves me when people dont post nearly at all GGQ- I dont know what to say about him, Im getting town vibes but his play is similar to what I saw in factory, not a bad dt check, although I dont think its a good vigi hit medic protects/ other defensive measures (if available) chaoser- now I'm kind of partial to this guy, as I showed in Mafia XXXVII, still medics should keep an eye on him as he is really pro town. Ive been wrong before, but hey. Annul- he looks town, and despite my disagreement with him I want to see him around day two, if nothing else I know he has the balls to give his opinion People I want opinions from/about Kenpachi- he seems to be trying to be useful I want to see what he is thinking and what people think of him ilovejonn- you've been posting a fair deal but I want more from you, gimmie something to form an opinion with Mr.Wiggles- I loved your analysis of the item game, I want you to put those deductive powers to find sucm, who do you think tomorrows lynch should go toward? I'm coming for you lurkers, tremble in fear! | ||
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GMarshal
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I wasn't done, but take that as my preliminary thoughts | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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##Shoot Annul | ||
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annul
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if so, i need to dump info quickly | ||
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Kavdragon
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My case for Insanious v1.0 Insanious has exhibited scummy play on several fronts: He has held extremely wrong, scum favored opinions on the nature of PM’s. He has aggressively and exclusively defended one person (tackster), which makes no sense from a townie’s prospective. He has shown contrasting weak opinions as to the alignment of others, despite the fervor of the arguments he made against them. All of these things point to one thing: Insanious is Scum. + Show Spoiler [WrongOpinions] + As has been explained by many veteran players, wrong opinions do not necessarily mean scum. It’s only when those plans consistently favor scum that they become a clear indication that the player is scum. Insanious has shown just that: On March 25 2011 02:21 Insanious wrote: The only reason why I don't want an irc channel is because it will make it harder for me to keep up with the game. I don't get to sit infront of the irc channel all day, I catch up on mafia games over a few hours in one chunk usually. As such, I don't have access to irc during the day, and reading logs will take for ever and analysing them will require more time to format properly. This makes it harder for me to play... Not to mention I would most likely not be able to join the irc chat often. Not to mention how cluttered the thread will look once the logs are posted... I guess if everyone else wants one I don't mind... Just don't call me scum if I donKt participate in it very much. The IRC was a good thing for town, and the mafia/SK realized it faster than the town did, and shut it down. People who have something to hide are terrified of PM’s/irc because they have to make snap decisions, and things slip out much easier. I repeat: ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE DO NOT WANT PM’S AND IRC WITH ANYONE OTHER THAN THEIR TEAM. Insanious opposed this plan, saying “I don’t want to have to read through all of them…” So don’t. No one is saying that you have to read them. Can you think of any ill effect this would have on the town? NO. It can only help us! This is a WRONG opinion, that is SCUM favored. On March 26 2011 12:27 Insanious wrote: So your saying this is scummy? This is the most TOWN oriented thing a new player could do... Scum will try to manipulate the town circle to do their bidding... A new player, will be easily persuaded. A new player on a scum team, will have the scum team to talk to to help them out. No scum would ignore PMs, unless their whole scum team is terrible. You have this completely backwards. Town loves PM’s because it’s much easier to find scum in them. Scum hate PM’s because it’s really easy to slip up in them. If you want me to, I can find several veteran players who agree with this. This opinion is so blatantly wrong, that you are either a terrible player, or scum. Even if you are scum, you’re not good at it if you think you can get away with this sort of thing. Based off of previous games, you are not inexperienced, therefor you are Scum + Show Spoiler [Defense of Tackster] + + Show Spoiler [Wall of defense] + On March 26 2011 11:43 Insanious wrote: :/ killing new players is awesome... can we at least let Trackster play till day 2? I mean seriously, this is his first game isn't it, at least let him get a taste rather then kill him instantly... just my $0.02. I also play on .Org, and they don' kill new players before day 2 simply because it doesn't foster a good environment for them, and they don't usually come back... at least giving them a taste gives them a chance to play more. Although, if Trackster isn't new (i just assumed he was) then we can just kills him... On March 26 2011 11:49 Insanious wrote: I'm just saying... we are here to build a community, and if I had been lynched day 1 when it was my first game, I wouldn't of come back. Most others would feel the same way. Lynching day 1 or day 2 is pretty much the exact same thing, just let the newer players have some fun, while killing others that look scummy. I know I won't be voting for Trackster simply because I can't in good conscience know that I might be ruining someone's possibly becoming a regular in TL mafia by this... I have no problem killing him after he gets a taste of what mafia is like... but he hasn't even lived a night cycle, or lynched anyone yet... but thats just me. On March 26 2011 11:52 Insanious wrote: TL has a problem getting larger games going, lynching new players doesn't help. Look at Death Factory, where we only had 17 people... Trackster doesn't even look red. People are lynching him because he doesn't post... I would rather kill someone who usually posts but doesn't, then ruin the chance of having a new TL regular. On March 26 2011 12:01 Insanious wrote: You have 0 analysis of Trackster... yet you are 100% sure he is red or black. He is brandnew, so you can't even Meta him... so please, tell me why he is scum? All I see is a new player, that is trying, but still a little lost. Paint me a picture that will make me think he deserves to be lynched. On March 26 2011 12:13 Insanious wrote: I'm defending a new player, that doesn't look scummy at all... from getting killed night 1 their first game. Its a matter of values for me. Unless someone could show me something where he is 100% red, 0% chance of not being red... then he doesn't deserve to be killed for not being experienced. On March 26 2011 12:20 Insanious wrote: You can PM pevergreen, and ask him about Totalwar.org and their policies on killing new players or anyone who has not played mafia in a while. Hell, go over to Totalwar.org and go ask some of the players that play mafia... They don't kill new people day 1 or day 2 simply to help foster a good environment for the community to grow. For players to come back and play more games. Just something I liked and picked up... I mean, I wouldn't of been back if I just was killed outright day 1 my first game... Its not motivated by any alignment, its motivated by the fact that mafia is a community game, and without a community we don't get to play games. TL has TERRIBLE activity. I mean look at most of the past few games where only half the people post... Or look at Death Factory where 17 players signed up when he wanted 30... We need more players, and killing them day 1 doesn't get new players. Bigger picture then a single game of mafia... On March 26 2011 12:23 Insanious wrote: I'm trying to defend someone you are trying to get lynched, very different then steering the game in a different direction. We are still talking about Trackster. This isn't me trying to talk about something unrelated. Don't try to spin this into anything else than it is. On March 26 2011 12:27 Insanious wrote: So your saying this is scummy? This is the most TOWN oriented thing a new player could do... Scum will try to manipulate the town circle to do their bidding... A new player, will be easily persuaded. A new player on a scum team, will have the scum team to talk to to help them out. No scum would ignore PMs, unless their whole scum team is terrible. On March 26 2011 23:56 Insanious wrote: The counter bandwaggon is Tackster... Also, you are defending him now. On March 27 2011 05:30 Insanious wrote: WOW, so now it goes from "Tack is 100% scum" to "Tack is probably scum, im pretty sure... not really" We are hanging the towns hopes of killing a scum, on someone who continuously lies to town to try to get them to do what he wants... Jackal is scummy scum scum scum. Ok, we need to lynch jackal tonight. He says he has the towns only KP, and is going to use it WITHOUT TOWN INPUT. This is just as dangerous as a scum. - - - - Not to mention, coag said he had a weapon... doesn't that mean KP? Is Jackal lying? - - - - As well, it would be very easy for Jackal to say "I am town KP" while being mafia or 3rd party and using their KP to look like a vig... - - - - Jackal looks more and more scummy as the day goes on. On March 27 2011 05:45 Insanious wrote: Because insulting the people your trying to convince is a good way to get people to follow you... give us something to change our minds. Give us PMs, give us proof... The only thing that I can go on when looking at who to lynch is the stuff in thread. In thread Tackster looks town and you look scum. If you want to change my mind you have to prove it... give me PMs. Give me something to change my mind. Because you NEVER will sway ANYONE simply going "guys... believe me, I'm town I swear!" On March 27 2011 06:24 Insanious wrote: I love how jackal and coag have been all "We have proof, Tack is scum, kill him!" When it’s really just "Tack is the least popular out of us 6, and one of us 6 need to die... so it might as well be Tack" Funny how basically the reason you are killing him is that he is new to TL :/. Holy crap. He spent more time defending tackster than doing any other thing in the game! When tack was a lynch target, he suddenly because MUCH more active, and spent all that time defending him. Why? I can understand defending someone, but unless he has more information than the people in the item game (he doesn’t. It’s day one) then why is he so opinionated about it? I’m not saying anything about the strength of the arguments he makes in defense, some of them I agree with, but I cannot see a townie putting this much effort into defending someone they cannot be sure is innocent! This makes much more sense from the mafia prospective however: If he, as mafia, can find legitimate arguments as to why his scum buddy should NOT be lynched, he would totally go all out to save an "unjust" lynch of a scum buddy. + Show Spoiler [The strange case of Jackal and Mr.Coag] + + Show Spoiler [Accusations] + On March 27 2011 06:44 Insanious wrote: Everything Jackal and Coag have said is basically a lie. Has no basis in anything, and we are basing our kills on it. Hell, they cant even defend themselves against simple questions like "what makes you think this?" which is a basic question for anyone when calling scum. On March 27 2011 07:17 Insanious wrote: Basically for me... Track has given town over 100 posts to analyze for later Jackal/Coag have given few posts. The posts they have given... half of them contradict the other half "Tack is 100% scum" vs "I'm not 100% sure he is scum" "Jackal, Coag, Lemon are confirmed" vs "We will be confirming Jackal, Coag, and lemon by day 2" "Tack isn't responding to PMs" vs "No one sent Tack PMs" "Tack was inactive" vs "Tack being active the whole time with over 100 posts" Everything Coag and Jackal have said is a lie... so how can I support anything you do? You lie, and then contradict your selves later in your posts... I don't understand how you can do that and still think we will follow what you are doing. On March 27 2011 07:25 Insanious wrote: Dude, don't even try this with me, you want me to go through every post of yours and line them up? If you say 12 hours ago "Tack is 100% scum" Then a hour ago "not confirmed scum, just most likely scum" Still a lie. Doesn't matter if it was 12 hours ago, or 24 hours ago. You said it was confirmed and it wasn't. Just like you said, when you first posted that Jackal, Coag, and Lemon were 100% confirmed. Yet just now, Coag posted about a Plan to confirm you guys. This means you lied. You said Tack didn't respond to PMs, yet then Tack said you guys didn't PM him. And you said you left him out of the PM circle. Another lie. Then you were just caught in a lie saying Tack was inactive, when he never was. You have LIED, stop LYING TO THE TOWN. jesus, if you are town, you are the worst town in the history of mafia. On March 27 2011 08:01 Insanious wrote: Fine, lets start here... This DOES NOT allude to Tackster being anything but SCUM. #2 says he is scum black or red #3 says you will shoot the other scum when tackster flips red/black You do not say anywhere that you might be wrong. There is 0% interpretation where you allude to not being 100% sure Tack is scum here. If you can show me exactly what lines allude to that.... Here's you saying he is 100% black or red Again saying he is 100% red or black First time you said Tack wasn't 100% Scum... so now you are trying to weasel your self out of what your previously said. For 17 pages before this post, you said Tackster was 100% scum, 0% chance of not being scum. Now, since we are attacking you. You are saying "oh wait... he is just 2/3 chance, not 100% chance" Very scummy. Scum like to leave backdoors, you are making yours very late, then trying to weasel out of it later. Now, as people start to question your plan. Tack goes from 100% scum (AS seen in point #2 and #3 of your plan) To only being 66% scum... you think. Wait, now your saying you could be wrong... look at the first post here, you linked it. You NEVER SAID YOU COULD BE WRONG. You said Tack could be red or black. You NEVER ONCE said he could be green. LIER! HELL, now you are saying that you don't even have proof to say that track is scum or not... you are just guessing. Before you confirmed he was scum, now you are saying he might not be? That its just a hunch... - - - - So your plan was built on a LIE (Tack being confirmed scum), because you LIED saying he was scum (see posts above)... then you LIED saying you didn't LIE. :/ Time to look into your other LIES. On March 27 2011 08:12 Insanious wrote: Let's start with a short lie, that deconduo caught you with Lie caught 6 minutes later... Now into another lie, that ties into this one... Wait WHAT? You said he never responded to PMs... that you never sent. NO SHIT. Doesn't make him scum, YOU LIED TO MAKE HIM LOOK SCUMMY. You left him out of the PM circle, you didn't even PM him, and then you oust him for not PM'ing you, wow... LIER LIER LIER. On March 27 2011 08:13 Insanious wrote: Do I need to actually go and look for you confirming 3 town VS Coag saying that people aren't confirmed, that you are going to confirm them during the night? It only happened like 2 pages ago... On March 27 2011 08:25 Insanious wrote: Yes I can. If I said: The earth revolves around the sun and you said: No the sun revolves around the earth Then I would be lying, and you would be proving it. He said: You, Himself, and Lemon were confirmed 100% town You said: We are going to confirm You, Jackal, and Lemon on Night 1. You proved that he lied about people being confirmed. He was caught in a lie. You caught him in the lie, then never called him out on it. On March 27 2011 08:27 Insanious wrote: Then its 3 lies for Jackal, and 1 lie for you... maybe you are the other scum. I don't know. On March 27 2011 08:32 Insanious wrote: I'm interested in killing scum. Tack doesn't look scummy to me... Jackal does. Has nothing to do with Tack. I haven't even brought up the Tack lynch in a while. I've been talking about killing Jackal, where he lied. He was lieing while talking about Tack. Don't try to make a link where there isn't one. There is a big difference between me defending tack and attacking Jackal. You can't seem to see that. Hopefully the rest of the town can. On March 27 2011 08:42 Insanious wrote: In my eyes, you and Jackal have done absolutely nothing. You have shown nothing to support that you have done anything. You talk... amongst your selves. You tell town to trust you. But you haven't acutally tried to tell me you've done anything. Tack has at least participated in the game. He laid out ideas for the town to look at. He gave posts for the town to analyze. And he looks green. The rest of you IG players have not done that, you play in your own little world... and guess what its biting you in the ass. As town, you need to share info, so that we don't kill you. Its how it always works. Mafia work to keep info away from the town. Thats how it works. By being secretive you are shooting your self in the foot. Now Jackal is caught up in lies, with no way to explain them, and he looks 100% scum, You are out here defending him simply because you put work into making some sort of plan, that I assume exists or you wouldn't be defending him... but I don't know if it does... You have vested interests that are clouding your judgement. If you actually want to help Jackal and the town. SHOW ME HOW HE IS NOT SCUM. Don't just tell me that he isn't. As I read through all his posts, I found something very interesting and telling: He argues extensively with jackal/coag, but never once does he call them scum! He calls them liers, condems their actions, and otherwise defaces their plans. Towards the end he says that “maybey [coag] is scum” But never calls him scum. Long into the argument, he states that jackal “looks scummy”, but he still hasn’t called them scum! He holds just strong opinions about their play, but he is extremely weak when it comes to the actual accusation! This is such a scum thing to do! They KNOW they are innocent, so they have a hard time saying otherwise. In conclusion, read the introduction. Insanious is Scum. | ||
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annul
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sending me an AIM message with a :-) after posting that is a great implication that you actually are night vig and that i am dead, since the only way you can communicate with me in a legal way is if i am dead. | ||
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