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On March 28 2011 11:02 LSB wrote: Give me a few more secs, finding your pics is hard You have pictures of me... WEIRDO | ||
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You left yourself out O.o | ||
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I HATE YOU SCUM... you've made this so fucking hard now. Tomorrow morning im analyzing you into hell | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:10 Lanaia wrote: What... How did they make it any harder? Both those people were obviously town. In other news, there should have been more than two kills if mafia has two and third party has one, shouldn't there have been? If jackal and I are both FOSsed then we have to lynch one of us today. You know that debate will be huge and now my job has become harder. If they had hit me for instance town would be all over jackal. Why do you think i've been going on about me dying all last night? | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:19 tnkted wrote: fuuuuuuuuuuuuu What could this mean I wonder? And it looks like two people hit annul. Why didn't his item activate? Somebody must have stolen it before he could use it. From the sounds of it he activated the thing and stormed off. This means that somebody in the item game has the bomb. Vigs, medics, and the bus driver need to be very careful with touching item game members tonight. One person tried to hit someone else but failed (??). That could mean medics protected, or it could mean that they have an ability (or an item!) with a % chance of killing people. Apparently the bus driver confused a few people... are you notified when the bus driver switches you? I suppose its possible from the tone of the post that annul was switched with somebody else... but who would switch annul with? is the bus driver usually a mafia role or a town role? LSB destroyed the potato dude. I imagine this was due to the 'annul vs. RoL trial of March 2007'. | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:22 tnkted wrote: and i suspect the tack/jack debate got a lot simpler because i am certain that both of you were subject to DT checks during the night. Lets just see what bum says when he gets back online. You're right maybe i got overexcited. I was expecting to be shot by jackal (he said so many times and it may be the bus driver that redirected this). However I'm happy to be cleared. I'm just worried as to how people can clear me as in outing makes them targets... | ||
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IF the bus driver was used to 'save' me then probably Jackals and Coags confirmations of each other went through so either: Coag and Jackal did not in fact confirm each other. COag and Jackal confirmed each other and Lemon is scum. Remember that if we lynch a green today red have a HUGE chance at winning the item game. I have a day post analysis coming up. @Jackal: Can you please state two things clearly for me - can you tell me that you are 100% certain that I am scum and could you please confirm you think i'm a smurf again? If i get lynched i want to be able to quote that in my goodbye post for you when i flip green  | ||
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Well, looks like people aren't really using their items well. Only one person was able to use his item. Only problem is that he found himself in the wrong place. He stood over the dead body of Annul and wondered what happened. And why was there two bullets when he only loaded one in his gun? And what's up with all the blood smeared on him? To me this says: #1 aren't using their items well = only 1 persons item was used OR people have mistaken what their item does? #2 Person who did use his item tried to shoot someone (it's phrased only problem…) #3 Wrong place is probably the driver #4 2 bullets means he was driven to the target which mafia also shot #5 blood smeared on him can either be he didn't mean to shoot that person or he didn't want to shoot at all Next up Gmarshal was minding his own business. Suddenly he was kidnapped and wrapped in duct tape. His kidnapper left. Then someone else came back with a gun, and shot him. #1 jailed or nerved in some way #2 Shot by someone else Given how I expect the red/blacks work I can imagine that red nerved him and black shot him? Is such a coincidence likely? Someone wasn't as sucess full at killing people. Another person started giggling at gifts he left people. Another person drove his bus around, confusing a few people. #1 someone was saved by medic OR someone was nerved #2 received a gift by someone giggling… he sounds suspicious #3 driver referenced above Rumors of the return of the true mayor has surfaced… wtf is this… Sounds like a green mayor with uber powers or something. possibly the source of green KP? The item was destroyed. LSB banking would not accept it. possibly LSB has removed this item from the game permanently as it was used? Lastly this criminal activity thing is annoying me. It may be linked to the ''true mayor' as in he gains laser eyes if the mafia get too strong. It may mean that mafia get bonuses as time goes on… | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:39 bumatlarge wrote: I have no idea about tackster, but I can tell you it has nothing to do with annul. Don't make baseless connections please. Tackster s most likely scum, but ranting and raving about things you don't know and throwing that "100%" around is NOT PRO-TOWN. Which is odd because this does confirm the rest of the IG players. Coagulation in a way is right and wrong. Let me put this as safely as possible. I know now tackster was protected, thank you coagulation. I am fairly certain it wasn't a town aligned person who did so. I am also very aware of why annul was shot by mafia, and I can't really comment more on that other then he dug his own grave, and scum benefited. Now coagulation, you may continue with your rant on why tackster is scum, because he is. Bum you're sound pretty certain about me there. You HAVE to recheck your facts, something is definitely wrong... | ||
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Apart from the rushing very little of the possible information gleaned has even been analysed AND Bum hasn't voted just stated something... So in case I die remember this post and remember how chaoser reacted!! | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:45 tnkted wrote: Tack if you flip green we're lynching the shit out of jackal. And annul, I knew you were green the whole time.  <3<3When i flip green then the first thing red are going to do tomorrow night are kill the remaining greens. As this goes in chronologically if they do it at a few seconds after the vote (which they'll be ready for as they know who has the most votes). 2 greens + 2 red KP = scum win the IG... | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:46 Jackal58 wrote: What do you need to hear? Bum and his 3 other cops called him scum. Coags bussed shot called him scum. Why are you scum? If you are the town remember how you've been acting the whole game. You incessant tunneling is what leads to greens losing the IG and you are doing your side NO FAVORS. All you've done is say 'this is my plan i'm sticking with it no matter what'. To be honest if you got a red on someone else in the IG you probably would still want to lynch me because your plan is more important to you then checking the evidence. Anyway - as more people post there WILL be more information. I have more information for instance and I will out it when more people have read the d1 post and are ready to start deliberating. 3 votes in the first hour and we have 48 hours to check evidence. Way to keep your minds open. | ||
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Damn you forum mafia! Night all and sleep well. Jackal/Coag/Bum - i hope you gain some clarity of vision before i next return. | ||
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1. Steal =/= Scum First off I don't understand how stealing from Jackal makes me scummy. I do not want to get shot at night and do not want town to lose the item game no matter if i'm green or red. So if there is a chance i'm going to get shot I of course am going to try and stop that happening. Now I mentioned MANY times that I thought I would get shot by Jackal. It makes sense for me as town to try and steal his gun to stop this happening. The fact that he wasn't the shooter doesn't change anything either. By jackals argument if I was green should I have let myself get shot or something? What would any other green do in my position? Anyway I did steal from Jackal - here is what I got: From: LSB Banking Subject: Item Game Date: 3/28/11 11:13 Success You got Jackal's Item! Current Items Mood Ring- Hmmmm, a mood ring? You can use the Mood ring to investigate another player’s alignment during the night. Bandages- Yay Medic! You got Bandages. You can use it protect someone at night, including yourself! 2. No one is confirmed My next point is that the other three cannot have confirmed each other. It has been stated very clearly that LemonWalrus is cleared only through Coagulations say so. More to the point jackal claimed this as his plan: Coag I have a plan. Here it is. 1 I make a post claiming you I and LW are town. 2 We lynch one of the other 3. 3 If he's red it's going to take longer to win IG. 4If he's green it's going to take much longer. 5 If he's black we win IG on night 2 6 I claim I have gun repeatedly. 7 I create shit storm around me to find who defends scum who doesn't End of part 1 8 Annul quit game. 9 We all use our items. 10 Tack steal from me. 11 Coag shoots Tack If it wasn't for those damn meddling kids in their bus we would have pulled it off flawlessly. Now we have to use a lynch. In this plan there is the assumption that Jackal/Coag/Lemon are green. Given that it covers 'one of the other three' this must be a post from before I was officially FOSsed by Jackal which means that there was NO WAY for these three to confirm each other. Now last night: 1. Jackal has his non-checking item stolen 2. Coag used his non-checking item 3. Lemon used his non-checking item Now let me remind you that Coag and Jackal had a plan to confirm each other. This plan seemed to exclude Lemon. That automatically means this plan isn't foolproof as Lemon has never been confirmed. But we all know that anyway. The only way that Coag and Jackal can confirm each other is if addition to their items they have both have alignment checking roles (how unlikely is that?). But even if they have roles then because Coag was bussed he couldn't possibly confirm Jackal as his check would be on me. Btw if he did check me he'd see I was green and this would all drop which is just more evidence but that is only my POV. Therefore I feel this is EXTREMELY STRONG EVIDENCE that Coag and Jackal have in no way confirmed each other. At best Jackal may have confirmed coag with his miracle role-checking role that 4 of 6 IG players don't have… If Coag and Jackal don't confirm each other then this definitely throws all of their 'plans' and 'conclusions' into doubt. 3. My scum team bussing Annul is stupid Apparently if I am scum and my team bus Coags shot onto Annul then that 100% confirms me as scum. If that is the case this is a TERRIBLE plan for mafia. Why do something so obvious? I can see an argument there for what else should I as scum have done. Here it is: Why would I bus to annul? Annul claimed he was out of the game and outed his item power which affects me NOT AT ALL. If bussing annul makes it so certain that I am scum then I may as well bus to Lemon. That way I stop him from using his item, kill a 'cleared' player and still don't have to worry about the afk annul affecting me in any way. Bussing a shot to annul seems like a shitty choice. If mafia did shoot annul why would i bus to the player my team shot? [b]How stupid is that?[b] Bum says he has info on that but as nothing has been outed I leave this point open. Red has an interest in the item game and black doesn't. It makes sense that the kill on GMarshall was therefore by black. That uses up all their KP so I imagine all the stuff in the item game was blue/red/green. Just reinforcing the previous point. When I stole from Jackal it was in hopes he had the gun. The fact that coag was bussed doesn't mean i'm in cahoots. The chances that would happen are only 50/50. Scum could easily have chosen to bus Jackal. While I know it doesn't help my case it doesn't 100% confirm it anyway. FMPOV it only shows scum reads better than me Or does it? 4. Jackal can easily be mafia. Remember: - no one is confirmed - Jackal made up the plan - Jackal didn't have the gun If Jackal is red then it makes sense for him to urge Coag to shoot me, especially with how the day FOSses went. The scum comes up with a clever plan. If I die when i flip green Jackal is the obvious lynch. If instead scum busses coag onto Annul then this furore explodes where i need to be lynched. In this situation Jackal is on top - the bus makes me look scummy, he isn't shot by the weapon and coag accuses me. Any argument that it was better to steal the weapon fails on the fact that if the weapon is stolen the shot doesn't go through! Jackal was hoping I'd steal from him SO THAT THERE WOULD BE A SHOT. I will point out that the bus WAS on the shot. That makes it more likely (nowhere near confirmed but definitely more likely) that the person bussing knew who had the shot. Which is Jackal and not me. Now I admit it's possible that coagulation or lemon are scum. However for coag to shoot the person and bus himself is too alien to consider. For Lemon to be planning all this in his first game is possible given he has a PM circle - but seems unlikely. 5. The IG is in grave peril The IG is in peril of being lost. I assume and LSB can confirm me (I've said this before like 3 times at least) that the last player standing chronologically wins his team the items. So making the assumption I'm green: - I get lynched and flip green - scum use their 2 KP to kill the other greens - Red is last one standing and therefore red team get the items Remember even if red dies so long as he is last to die his team wins the items. Now I know we have medics. And I know that Lemon has (or claims) a vest. But we don't know what roles are out there. Jackal can steal Lemons vest to stop it working. Scum may be able to nerf abilities or multi-shoot. It's all unknown. This is a very perilous situation and we need to put in hard work to not lose the hours we've put into trying to win this mini-game. --- I also have a sub point here about Lemons vest. The items list we have is: 1) A Role Checker 2) An Alignment Checker 3) A bomb (potato) 4) A gun 5) A medic style item 6) A medic style item This is insane mafia. Even though 2 of the other items are similar they are not identical. So why do we have a vest and bandages that seem to do the same things? Is that likely? Of course my item can protect others where as Lemons possibly does not need to be used. Either way I'm saying this is a tentative point to analyze. Now to the conclusions: 1. The other three IG players have in no-way confirmed each other 2. The fact that they are so sure of themselves without confirmation throws their judgement into question - green or not. 3. Jackal can easily be scum. The plan is clever but also strong and something red could have come up with. They didn't even need to come up with it before jackal decided on his 'plan' because as he is such a tunneler they probably just decided to make the most of it 4. The IG is in great peril. All evidence has to be scrutinized, all votes have to be carefully considered 5. My stealing Jackals item in NO WAY makes me scummy. It was in fact the town thing to do. Please read through this. Mention any fallacies. Appreciate any truths. Jackal/Coag when you start screaming about these points in ALL CAPS could you also mention concrete reasons for why anything I've said was wrong. P.S. As you can see instead of sleeping I have spent the night awake. I have classes I can't miss today and work to do this afternoon. So I probes won't start posting again after i go to uni for about 12 hours. And needing sleep I may not be on long tonight. I'm not lurking - I just unfortunately have a life | ||
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