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Tackster
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Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 18:07 GMT
#1475
LOL annul I definitely want reasons - list them please
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Tackster
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Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 18:11 GMT
#1479
Nice list - glad im green.

However if you do ever have a real reason to think someone is blue its probably better if you claim they're green so mafia can't have extra information.

I may be wrong but it seems like it would work.
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Tackster
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Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 18:12 GMT
#1480
Everyone refuses to give me reasons for FOSsing me.

Jackal gives me a reason based on his flawed 'i know who town is fo sho'
Coag and Lemon just want to kill me
And now Annul FOSses me as much as Jackal but won't say why...


LOVE ME GODDAMN IT!!! IM NEEDY AND WANT HUGS...
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Tackster
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Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 18:22 GMT
#1486
On March 27 2011 03:13 annul wrote:
bum said he will trust us IG players in using our behind the scenes PMing and the IG quicktopic, without needing to give our reasons if it will hurt how we play IG later. so, he has my FOSes. shouldn't need reasons.


I don't understand how this is a good idea...

The IG players have basically nothing more to go on than the main thread players today. In further nights/days once powers have been used and players have been dropped then yes our PM circle is more powerful.

But today all we know are our alignments, items and roles.
The only information we can share are those three things.
So how can the PM circle know any more than the main thread does? Sure we can make plans on how to use our items but then again people can steal.
Also the PM circle is not working with all of it's members. For a start the forum is not being used. SO how can Bum rely on a circle that is really just a crooked line?

Also if you think that Bum should rely on the IG PM guys to work things out then doesnt it make sense for you to out your reasons to me? How does working on your own in the circle count as the circle working together?
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Tackster
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Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 18:56 GMT
#1489
Why do so many people's game play seem to be based on:

'I'm really really good just trust me for no reason'?

Coagulation:
Coagulation United States. March 27 2011 03:38. Posts 4510
IF TOWN DOESNT TAKE MY WORD AT THIS POINT THEY ARE THROWING OUT AN ADVANTAGE.


How is that an argument that town should follow? I believe the whole point of scum is to have people who give you advice and you just 'take their word'

Anyway you say you know Lemon for several centuries and I accept that this might in fact be very useful for town. However:
#1 This is his first game of mafia. You've never seen him behave like a mafia before.
#2 If you have and i quote 'hundreds' of town tells from him the why won't you out them. I don't understand why if you have this proof that he is town you can't share it with us.

And we do understand that you have a good read on them. However the game isn't called follow Coagulations good reads. We need to assess your abilities and we need to assess you alignment. So far you've given me 'i'm good just trust me'...

Annul you said:
annul United States. March 27 2011 03:40. Posts 1499
its because for all intents and purposes, IG is a mini mafia game. bum trusts our analysis. he knows there is lots of stuff behind the scenes that isn't obvious to the entire game.


What is this behind the scenes stuff? Where are the scenes? Currently we have hidden talks going on in a PM circle which are resulting in people clamoring that they have DEFINITE answers. You yourself are being FOSsed in this game and yet you're insisting that closed doors are the best solution.

There is nothing going on in the IG at the moment that is obscured from the main game. In later days there may be some interesting mechanics at work what with items being stolen and items being used. But for today there are vague claims being made based on what has been said in this thread.

You seem to want to get lynched by terrific trio because you want to keep a secret that doesnt exist.

@Bum Please do use the input from the item game. But judge it for what it is, use the input from the main thread players and then vote what you feel is right. Talk to the other blues about. In no way should you auto-vote based on this group of IG players. I have stated why before and i'll list it for you again. We have a tunneler, a self-confirmed and a master of secrets. They seem like heroes from Mystery Men.
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Tackster
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Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 19:32 GMT
#1499
GMarshal how fun would a game of mafia be between us two?

GMarshal: I claim town
Tackster: Me too
GMarshal: But I know that I am town
Tackster: Reasonable point. I admit defeat
**Town Wins**

And now to poke fun against the guys I'm trying to get answers from:

Annul: I claim town
Jackal: Me too
Annul: Can I be mayor?
Jackal: From your scumtells I can tell you are mafia
Annul: Are you sure?
Jackal: Trust me, I am pro
Annul: Ok
**Mafia Wins**
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Tackster
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Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 20:24 GMT
#1524
Thank you Bum for relieving my fears that you might just jump in on whatever IG produces and assume it's true. I'm glad you're actively seeking evidence on any claim.

I would ask that (as you stated i believe) you find out why i am being accused of scum. If the argument is that this is a general consensus then you can read back to see that:
#1 it has not in fact always been consensus(annul and darmo were not in on this to begin)
#2 the IG provides no information that the main thread doesnt have and as such any consensus in the IG is dependant on what is said in this thread anyway
#3 there is definite band wagoning going on

Now i'm not going to be on for long so i'm going to try and keep this brief yet detail the important stuff.

Bum please find out if there's any more information then what is in the main thread. It seems people in the IG are FOSsing because of what is said in the main thread as this is their only source of information. If so this information is no more useful then everyones ideas.

If there is more information available (which i doubt) analyze it and discuss it with your circle. If there is information in there detailing me as scum (which i dont think there can be especially as jackal has admitted i may not in fact be scum) then probe it for fallacies which there will be.

Please ask for votes from people not in the IG anyway. I think you'll see that I have some believers in the main thread and that must give me some weight, however little.

Lastly do try and read through the events today carefully as there have been many good points made and we need to decide on strategy as well.

My vote on who is mafia in the IG would be [boldJackal[/bold].

He seems to have sown much dissent. He has given baseless arguments. He has claimed secret information no one else is privy to. He is obviously tunneling without a reason. His arguments have clearly been 'trust me because i am right'.

Many people in the thread here in fact feel he is untrustworthy and generally wrong in his lynches.

Please get individual information for why people are calling me scum. There really is no basis to this argument.

I hope that other's will defend me between when i log off and when night 1 begins.

Lastly - I assume no one will bother making these claims anymore but being lynched night 1 will in no way put me off paying mafia on the forums so please dont let that influence your vote. I may be new but im not a baby.

I'll be on for a while longer tonight. I look forward to the morning to see if I still can use the game as an excuse to not do work!
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Tackster
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Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 20:27 GMT
#1529
Jackal58 United States. March 27 2011 05:25. Posts 963
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 05:23 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +


Ok if bum picks Tack, I'm lynching you tomorrow when Tack flips town. Someone who blindly tunnels until he gets what he wants is no good, regardless of alignment.


Doesn't matter how he flips. I'm shooting you tonight.


Jackal you couldn't possibly say more anti-town things in one single game...
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Tackster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 20:46 GMT
#1535
This is reminding me of the should we vote bum argument with annul... Some people just won't listen to explanations and don't need evidence when they choose they are right...
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Tackster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 20:49 GMT
#1537
i'm sorry did you just imply jackal is wrong?
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Tackster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 21:09 GMT
#1551
On March 27 2011 06:08 Coagulation wrote:
WE HAVE PLANS SET IN MOTION TO CONFIRM EACH OTHER
IF YOU HAVE TO LYNCH JACKAL DO IT DAY 2 FOR FUCKS SAKE.


Says two of you with no proof.
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Tackster
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Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 21:40 GMT
#1559
Coagulation even if I were to agree that the posts were scummy - which of course they werent

and i were to agree you did analysis on them - which you didnt, you just said 'look scum' and left it there

you still are referencing PMs that occured AFTER you FOSsed me.

You haven't mentioned any material from before you made your mind up.
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Tackster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 21:43 GMT
#1560
Also you guys said you had confirmed each other as town. Your plans are based on each other being town.

Jackal is saying he's certain because you three are totally confirmed

Coagulation United States. March 27 2011 06:08. Posts 4518
WE HAVE PLANS SET IN MOTION TO CONFIRM EACH OTHER
IF YOU HAVE TO LYNCH JACKAL DO IT DAY 2 FOR FUCKS SAKE.


That quote says you havent confirmed shit
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Tackster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 21:53 GMT
#1565
Coagulation United States. March 26 2011 14:32. Posts 4518
Show nested quote +
From: Tackster [ 53 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: RE: Item Game
Date: 3/26/11 14:14
OK Guys there is obviously a circling of wagons going on here... I'm PMing this to all mini-game players with a pearl of wisdom:

THERE IS SCUM IN THE MINI-GAME

We each need to rely on our OWN opinions and we need to realise that strategy is going to win the mini-game not dumb luck.

So I expect everybody in the mini-game to reply to this PM and evaluate me using my bloody opinion as well...

2 of us are mafia and they will be the one's sowing dissent and FOSsing the others.

We need to work out our Steal/Defend/Use strategy, we need to try and assess item powers and get scum to slip.

If you're all going to genuflect to Jackal veteran status and ignore me this is going to auto-fail for town.

Also apart from Jackal and Coagulation I don't really see many IG related posts.

The mayorship is seems basically decided, right now the only 2 worries are how will we handle this mini-game and how will we out the scum.

Yours Expectantly,
A backstabbed green



See your acting scummy over and over again i have pointed it out i will point it out here in this pm you just sent everyone.

YOU DONT GIVE AN OPINION AT ALL ON WHO YOU THINK IS SCUM. YOU EXPECT EVERYONE ELSE TO TELL YOU WHO IS SCUM. BIG FLUFFY PM THAT ADDED 0 INFORMATION.
Super scummy


#1 That PM first of all clearly states that i'm opening an avenue of communication.

#2 I'm hardly going to discuss scum tells with a PM thats going to EVERYONE in the circle

#3 Others in the IG can confirm I in fact have discusses my FOSses with them. Annul, lemon and darmo have definitely heard my opinions on the matter. On the other hand Jackal replies to my saying 'you're scum' and you surprisngly enough did not reply...
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Tackster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 22:00 GMT
#1569
@Jackal
Actually i was posting loads during this thread before I went to bed. I sleep therefore I am mafia? Ask deconduo - he's my room mate. Think mafia have a huge plan to trick people through my dreams?

Besides if you have reasons to think it's me then how come you just said you couldnt tell cos i was inactive?


@Tnkted - i like hate your analysis for the reason that when i flip green i suddenly aren't smart...

But anyway if i were town i would behave the same
If Jackal were town he would behave differently

Can you agree with that tnkted?
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Tackster
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Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 22:06 GMT
#1571
annul i basically outed my PM post and MUCH later jackal did...

I'll go find it for you
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Tackster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 22:10 GMT
#1575
Tackster Ireland. March 26 2011 14:34. Posts 102
Lol my PM asked for people to actually converse with me. You're either seeing scum where you want to or trying to create problems for town. Thanks for outing that btw I think it shows how reasonable I am!

As a townie I am sitting tight till i get more information...

And you should too


11 Hours Later!!!

Jackal58 United States. March 27 2011 01:01. Posts 968
On March 27 2011 00:51 Insanious wrote:
So... Jackal you do realize YOU and darmousseh are the ONLY players in the item game that have NOT shown that they know what the town alignment PM is...

So basically YOU and darmousseh DID NOT GET ONE.

You are a normal townie, sit tight, you'll get your role in 24 hours
Townie is in green. Twinkle toes told me to look in role PMs Then said Oh sorry I meant alignment PMs. that's when I quit playing his game. It's bs any ways.

Not copied - typed out. Sit tight while I nail your scummy ass to the wall.
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Tackster
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Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 22:11 GMT
#1579
and i put the townie in green to make it obvious...
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Tackster
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Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 22:17 GMT
#1581
annul you ask for the post and then you say you dont want it....

@tnkted - I didn't have the weakest reputation in the IG. You're getting your chronology messed up

It goes:

I was active and thoughtful. People thought I was town. I received no fosses. The other 2 in question that arent in the 'confirmed' circle both got fossed
.
.
.
i went to bed
.
.
.
Jackal outs that I'm scum and MUST be lynched. He says he has cleared towns (3 of them). He offers no proof that i am mafia but insists i am 100% mafia.
.
.
.
The other 2 'confirmed' fos me in a sheepish way
.
.
.
Before I even returned people started defending me
.
.
.
I returned and defended myself as any good towny would
.
.
.
Jackal admits he doesn't know i'm mafia but apparently i'm the most lynchable (Not true)
Coag admits the 3 clears arent clear at all
the vote from the IG is 3 for me and 3 for jackal.

NONE of this scumminess was evn mentioned before jackal decided i was scum
I was never an fos or a lynch target before that. In fact the 2 others jackal fosses were...
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Tackster
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Ireland429 Posts
March 26 2011 22:23 GMT
#1590
@ ilovejohn which all makes sense and i'd like to add something.

I think we can all agree that Jackal is behaving extremely wildly. He also claims he has a KP.

When I pop up green to we really want to see jackal shoot another confirmed 'mafia'?
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