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Guys I have some extremely pro-town information I got earlier. However as it would help the mafia if they knew it i really want a way to tell bum without others knowing.
If any blues or greens can somehow PM me please do so as soon as possible so I can out this information. If there are suggestions on another way I can let bum know please tell me.
I'm not sure if this info is worth outing in case mafia get it so let me know before I have to decide to out it or not.
I got this information by asking LSB a question in PM that I don't believe anyone else has asked. While it concerns the IG it does not concern any actions or persons in the game - only the IG mechanics.
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On March 29 2011 03:00 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 02:57 tnkted wrote:
OK the alignment PMs worked like this (as far as I can tell):
LSB pmed the "twiddle your thumbs, try to seem clean or something' alignment pm while kita pmed the 'sit tight' one. When I set up my breadcrumbing in my first few posts I was using my alignment PM, the twiddle your thumbs one. Coag, who had recieved kita's pm instead, breadcrumbed to me and I didn't notice since I only had knowledge of lsb's pm.
So the sit tight phrase was not part of my plan at all.
Therefore, the results of the PM breadcrumbs were:
Lemon & annul, who recieved their PMs from LSB, immediately picked up my clues.
Coag laid a breadcrumb of his own ('sit tight, i'll go over your posts') which i missed but insanious picked up on immediately, confirming them both
Jackal refused to play
Tack also dropped a 'sit tight' breadcrumb.
However, tack dropped his sit tight breadcrumb after coag and insanious had already confirmed that was a clue word, so he could have just been clever. Tack isn't clear.
Jackal isn't clear because he didn't play the game.
Tack had my PM pretty much spot on, including the green highlighting of the word townie. Same for Jackal.
As I recall, Tack posted a breadcrumb, not the actual PM... could you find that for me? I'd look myself but im in class and shouldn't be typing. :X
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On March 29 2011 02:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
So wait, if we think the mafia redirected coagulation to annul, then what are the new hits we think happened? We have Kav claimed a hit, a second hit on annul and gmarshal dead. The blacks want to prolong the item game as long as possible so they wouldn't of put the second hit on Annul, meaning the mafia must of put the second hit on Annul just to make sure he died. Which leaves two hits unknown. Who hit Kav and who hit Gmarshal?
Um, actually, what we have is:
1) 1 shot on Lemon, bussed to Bum. Gmarshal took the hit
2) 1 Shot on annul from scum
3) 1 shot on Tack, mind controlled or bussed to Annul
4) 1 shot on kav that failed.
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When we put this all together only Jackal can be scum. The only one not pseudo confirmed is jackal because he refused to play the game. So Jackal must be red because he is the only one who refused to do the breadcrumb confirmation plan, and then he was one of two players who actually knew that Coagulation had the gun.
Coag, why do you think Jackal is innocent? Is there anything that can persevere over the odd circumstances of the previous night? Or do you still think its Tack?
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On March 29 2011 03:01 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:00 deconduo wrote:On March 29 2011 02:57 tnkted wrote:
OK the alignment PMs worked like this (as far as I can tell):
LSB pmed the "twiddle your thumbs, try to seem clean or something' alignment pm while kita pmed the 'sit tight' one. When I set up my breadcrumbing in my first few posts I was using my alignment PM, the twiddle your thumbs one. Coag, who had recieved kita's pm instead, breadcrumbed to me and I didn't notice since I only had knowledge of lsb's pm.
So the sit tight phrase was not part of my plan at all.
Therefore, the results of the PM breadcrumbs were:
Lemon & annul, who recieved their PMs from LSB, immediately picked up my clues.
Coag laid a breadcrumb of his own ('sit tight, i'll go over your posts') which i missed but insanious picked up on immediately, confirming them both
Jackal refused to play
Tack also dropped a 'sit tight' breadcrumb.
However, tack dropped his sit tight breadcrumb after coag and insanious had already confirmed that was a clue word, so he could have just been clever. Tack isn't clear.
Jackal isn't clear because he didn't play the game.
Tack had my PM pretty much spot on, including the green highlighting of the word townie. Same for Jackal. As I recall, Tack posted a breadcrumb, not the actual PM... could you find that for me? I'd look myself but im in class and shouldn't be typing. :X
This one:
On March 26 2011 14:34 Tackster wrote:
As a townie I am sitting tight till i get more information...
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On March 29 2011 03:01 Tackster wrote:
Guys I have some extremely pro-town information I got earlier. However as it would help the mafia if they knew it i really want a way to tell bum without others knowing.
If any blues or greens can somehow PM me please do so as soon as possible so I can out this information. If there are suggestions on another way I can let bum know please tell me.
I'm not sure if this info is worth outing in case mafia get it so let me know before I have to decide to out it or not.
I got this information by asking LSB a question in PM that I don't believe anyone else has asked. While it concerns the IG it does not concern any actions or persons in the game - only the IG mechanics.
Despite the fact that it'd be good to have this information reach Bum, PM's are off-limits in this game unless specified that you can pm a certain person.
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On March 29 2011 03:07 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:01 Tackster wrote:
Guys I have some extremely pro-town information I got earlier. However as it would help the mafia if they knew it i really want a way to tell bum without others knowing.
If any blues or greens can somehow PM me please do so as soon as possible so I can out this information. If there are suggestions on another way I can let bum know please tell me.
I'm not sure if this info is worth outing in case mafia get it so let me know before I have to decide to out it or not.
I got this information by asking LSB a question in PM that I don't believe anyone else has asked. While it concerns the IG it does not concern any actions or persons in the game - only the IG mechanics. Despite the fact that it'd be good to have this information reach Bum, PM's are off-limits in this game unless specified that you can pm a certain person.
He is hoping for a mason, or a postman type role.
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On March 29 2011 03:01 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 02:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
So wait, if we think the mafia redirected coagulation to annul, then what are the new hits we think happened? We have Kav claimed a hit, a second hit on annul and gmarshal dead. The blacks want to prolong the item game as long as possible so they wouldn't of put the second hit on Annul, meaning the mafia must of put the second hit on Annul just to make sure he died. Which leaves two hits unknown. Who hit Kav and who hit Gmarshal? Um, actually, what we have is: 1) 1 shot on Lemon, bussed to Bum. Gmarshal took the hit 2) 1 Shot on annul from scum 3) 1 shot on Tack, mind controlled or bussed to Annul 4) 1 shot on kav that failed.
Wait a minute...if GM took the hit because I bussed it to bum then I was mislead by kita in pms...
I was under the impression that hits on bum would be stopped cold by the bodyguards, and mafia would have to kill both bodyguards by randomly shooting or by role checks before they could kill bum.
If I killed you GM i'm sorry!! 
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Wait actually, theres no way that hits on bum could be shifted to his BGs... Mafia could just use both hits on bum and then have mind control shift coags gun to bum.
We don't know if the hit was on bum or on lemon. Theres no way to tell because both would have blocked the shot.
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On March 29 2011 03:12 tnkted wrote:
Wait actually, theres no way that hits on bum could be shifted to his BGs... Mafia could just use both hits on bum and then have mind control shift coags gun to bum.
We don't know if the hit was on bum or on lemon. Theres no way to tell because both would have blocked the shot.
But GMarshal would only die if it was bussed from Lemon to Bum
If it shot lemon, lemon would of just blocked the shot.
THis is unless Kav is lying.
Then it would of been
1) 1 Shot on Annul
2) 1 Shot on Tack shifted to Annul
3) 1 Shot on Bum bussed to Lemon
4) 1 Shot on GMarshal
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On March 29 2011 03:12 tnkted wrote:
Wait actually, theres no way that hits on bum could be shifted to his BGs... Mafia could just use both hits on bum and then have mind control shift coags gun to bum.
We don't know if the hit was on bum or on lemon. Theres no way to tell because both would have blocked the shot.
Uhm, it does work like you say so. If they can actually mind control then they could've indeed killed Bum in the first night. However, that still leaves town at a 4-1 advantage in the IG and they didn't like those odds i bet.
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On March 29 2011 03:14 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:12 tnkted wrote:
Wait actually, theres no way that hits on bum could be shifted to his BGs... Mafia could just use both hits on bum and then have mind control shift coags gun to bum.
We don't know if the hit was on bum or on lemon. Theres no way to tell because both would have blocked the shot. But GMarshal would only die if it was bussed from Lemon to Bum If it shot lemon, lemon would of just blocked the shot. THis is unless Kav is lying. Then it would of been 1) 1 Shot on Annul 2) 1 Shot on Tack shifted to Annul 3) 1 Shot on Bum bussed to Lemon 4) 1 Shot on GMarshal
Yep, This is what i was saying. Kav must be lying. Gmarshal died because he was targeted.
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On March 29 2011 03:12 tnkted wrote:
Wait actually, theres no way that hits on bum could be shifted to his BGs... Mafia could just use both hits on bum and then have mind control shift coags gun to bum.
We don't know if the hit was on bum or on lemon. Theres no way to tell because both would have blocked the shot.
Remember, Bum isn't a 100% priority right now... IG is. Once IG is resolved, bum will probably die.
Because if town wins IG They get:
1) Vig powers
2) Medic powers
3) Vet powers
4) Allignment detecting powers
5) Role detecting powers
6) Bomb on self
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On March 29 2011 03:16 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:14 Insanious wrote:On March 29 2011 03:12 tnkted wrote:
Wait actually, theres no way that hits on bum could be shifted to his BGs... Mafia could just use both hits on bum and then have mind control shift coags gun to bum.
We don't know if the hit was on bum or on lemon. Theres no way to tell because both would have blocked the shot. But GMarshal would only die if it was bussed from Lemon to Bum If it shot lemon, lemon would of just blocked the shot. THis is unless Kav is lying. Then it would of been 1) 1 Shot on Annul 2) 1 Shot on Tack shifted to Annul 3) 1 Shot on Bum bussed to Lemon 4) 1 Shot on GMarshal Yep, This is what i was saying. Kav must be lying. Gmarshal died because he was targeted.
Why, if you bus a shot from lemon -> bum. Then bum's body guard would take the shot and die... that's how it works.
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1) 1 shot on Lemon, bussed to Bum. Gmarshal took the hit
This doesn't make sense. Bodyguards don't jump in front of someone and take a shot for them, mafia has to find and kill BGs first before they can kill the mayor.
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Alright. So what happened here tonight:
First off, tnkted swapped Lemonwalrus and Bum.
Therefore, the DT check on Lemonwalrus was redirected to Bum, who returned blue, making the DT check useless.
The items:
There were 5 item game players alive:
Annul stole from Tackster, he got his mood ring.
Jackal has had his bandages stolen from him. He seems to have either tried to use them, or was stealing from someone, but was unsuccesful.
Coagulation claims he fired at Tackster.
Lemonwalrus defended his own item.
Tackster stole the bandages from Jackal.
Alright, everyone accounted for.
Then, the big mystery: who shot who?
Well, looks like people aren't really using their items well. Only one person was able to use his item. Only problem is that he found himself in the wrong place. He stood over the dead body of Annul and wondered what happened. And why was there two bullets when he only loaded one in his gun? And what's up with all the blood smeared on him?
So the person in this story is more then likely Coagulation. However, he fired his shot at Tackster, not annul! That doesn't make alot of sense.
There was also another shot on annul. The money question is: was this from the red or the black party? No way to tell for now.
Next up Gmarshal was minding his own business. Suddenly he was kidnapped and wrapped in duct tape. His kidnapper left. Then someone else came back with a gun, and shot him.
Well, that's weird. The kidnapping part is hard to explain here, maybe a roleblocker? I don't know. However, considering he was a bodyguard, the shot was more then likely fired at the mayor. Funny enough, the mayor was bussed with Lemonwalrus, so the shot must've been either directly on GMarshal (why would they do that?) or it was meant for Lemonwalrus. Mystery's.
Someone wasn't as sucess full at killing people. Another person started giggling at gifts he left people. Another person drove his bus around, confusing a few people.
This indicates a lot of things:
1. Someone failed to shoot someone. Maybe red shot a black, maybe black shot a vigilante, maybe either one shot a medic'd person. Who knows.
2. Someone left gifts. I'm not to familiar with mafia roles but this probably indicates a Mad Hatter role? Not sure.
3. Another PERSON (note how it's not plural) bussed someone. That indicates only one person got bussed.
Now, let's figure out who shot who.
Avaible shots:
Coagulation: 1.
Mafia: 2.
Black: 1.
1 of the shots failed, 2 of the shots hit annul,
1 shot killed GMarshal the bodyguard.
Now, let's look at the following fact: Black has no interest in the item-game. They're already a man down, they lost the item-game and their CEO is dead. They're behind big-time, and speeding up the item-game would only be detrimental to their chances of survival. Let town and mafia fuck around with IG, they can start picking people off.
So, there's two possibility's: black fired randomly on GMarshal and got lucky. A chance of 30-1(darmousseh)-1(bum)-5(item-game players) = 1 in 23. I don't like those odds.
Possibility two: they fired at the person that survived. Far more likely, they could've fired at a veteran.
Then, we have Coagulation's shot. He claims this was fired at Tackster. There was no bus-driver to swap them around, and since Tackster was still alive, this is obviously bullshit. Lying about who you fired on, that's not very nice of you, Coagulation. Care to explain?
Finally, there's our mafia shooters. 2 shots. Obviously, they're not gonna hit the same person twice. So their shots were aimed at Annul, and either Lemonwalrus or GMarshal. Annul would make sense, he's an item-game player, and they're thinning the numbers so they can win the item-game. Then, the other shot: this was fired at either Lemon or GM. However, since mafia is so focused on the item-game at this point, it wouldn't make sense to randomly start shooting outside of the item-game. The possibility of them firing at Bum is so retarded i'm not even going to mention it.
So, they fired their shots at Annul and Lemonwalrus. Two logical choices at thinning out the item-game. However, due to tnkted's interference, Lemonwalrus was saved.
Therefore, the conclusion I draw is the following:
Black used their shot to hit somebody that survived the assault. The failed shot in the post.
Red used their first shot on Annul, eliminating him.
Their second shot killed GMarshal. Either they directly fired at him (VERY unlikely), or they decided to hit Lemonwalrus, and got pwned by tnkted.
Coagulation hit annul. Why would he do that? The only explanation in the thread so far has been mind-control, which seems like a long shot to me. However, it's also the only shot, as no-one else can explain what happened.
If anyone disagrees with this analysis feel free to say so.
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On March 29 2011 03:17 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 03:16 tnkted wrote:On March 29 2011 03:14 Insanious wrote:On March 29 2011 03:12 tnkted wrote:
Wait actually, theres no way that hits on bum could be shifted to his BGs... Mafia could just use both hits on bum and then have mind control shift coags gun to bum.
We don't know if the hit was on bum or on lemon. Theres no way to tell because both would have blocked the shot. But GMarshal would only die if it was bussed from Lemon to Bum If it shot lemon, lemon would of just blocked the shot. THis is unless Kav is lying. Then it would of been 1) 1 Shot on Annul 2) 1 Shot on Tack shifted to Annul 3) 1 Shot on Bum bussed to Lemon 4) 1 Shot on GMarshal Yep, This is what i was saying. Kav must be lying. Gmarshal died because he was targeted. Why, if you bus a shot from lemon -> bum. Then bum's body guard would take the shot and die... that's how it works.
In general, thats not how bodyguards work. If the mayor gets shot when the bodyguards are alive, nothing happens. The bodyguard doesn't jump in and die instead. It might be different in this game but I doubt it. Especially as kita told tnkted it wasn't like that.
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....oh. I thought they'd jump in front of them and save them with their life >.> That fucks up my whole theory.
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LSB, in this game specifically, will the bodyguards take shots for the mayor or would the shot at the major simply fail?
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On March 29 2011 03:19 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +Well, looks like people aren't really using their items well. Only one person was able to use his item. Only problem is that he found himself in the wrong place. He stood over the dead body of Annul and wondered what happened. And why was there two bullets when he only loaded one in his gun? And what's up with all the blood smeared on him? Then, we have Coagulation's shot. He claims this was fired at Tackster. There was no bus-driver to swap them around, and since Tackster was still alive, this is obviously bullshit. Lying about who you fired on, that's not very nice of you, Coagulation. Care to explain?
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