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On March 03 2011 12:17 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 12:16 bumatlarge wrote: Damn, now I feel like a failure lol. Good job town.
But if 3 deaths come in the morning with no vigis, I HAVE THE ANSWER!... Care to explain it now in case you die?
Well, I had a slight inkling that LSB and foolishness were both GFs, and RoL told them to bus someone. I mean, it might seem insane to bus two people, but if you still have 3KP... it almost pays for itself. I don't see why mafia would hit me though, as I don't think anyone would push LSB afterwards (barundar didn't even vote for him wtf) and if I'm alive it doesn't say anything.
But lylo is set back again, and now there is much less fidgeting room for mafia if they want to use all the KP. It's still possible for LSB to be red, and the roleblock claim to almost make sense when 3KP comes up again. I don't know chaoser can explain it better I think. He's someone I'd consider protecting, along with foolishness.
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Already posted them in the thread LSB
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Wow, I didn't defend and vote for the wrong people this time. Partial redemption I suppose since I did kind of defend seraph.
2 mafia lynch out of 3 lynch is super rare too.
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5 Bucks that Bum/Barundar/Bill Murray are going to yell that I bused Seraph
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Seraph post history + Show Spoiler +Chaoser didn't say anything new. He's repeating what GMarshal said, a typical "contribute without actually contributing" scumtell. But this early in the game I'm willing to excuse it, since new players and bad players won't have much to talk about anyways.
At least Chaoser read BC's Town guide. Mentions GMarshal
+ Show Spoiler +I'm fine with the cell idea, but inactivity would still kill a pre-determined set of cells. In addition, what if you're mafia? Then you may have rigged these cells towards your favor. What if instead we made our own cells? Not everyone will get partnered with two mafia. Disputes Gmarshals Cell idea
+ Show Spoiler +Please do, the recent trend on TL has been for mafia to lurk and wait for town to self-destruct.
Which would be the point of the cells, so town won't self-destruct as easily. I mean we got PMs, let's use them. Now supports Gmarshals cell idea.
+ Show Spoiler +icemac that was possibly the easiest way to dodge taking sides. The dude's probably going to get replaced or modkilled anyways.
Seriously, take a stance on someone. Most of my game since my 6666th post has been going on through PMs, but I guess that was selfish of me >_>
##Vote Icemac
Things to take sides on: GM vs Gryff- Cell System Annul vs LSB- XXXV
Personally I doubt either of annul or LSB are scum, this is just a grudgematch. Coag and Kenpachi are playing more pro-town than usual (or maybe its just less spam?)
People I'm suspicious of: Jackal- Playing a lot more passively than he did as town Icemac- Stop dodging the issues at hand Gofarman- Proponent of lynching inactives. Voting annul. A few more I'm not too sure of, will follow up on their posts tomorrow when I'm awake. Maybe. here soft defense of annul and he mentions GM again slightly. Notice GM AND ANNUL both come first on the list. just saying.
+ Show Spoiler +Oops, pretty sure I did, sorry. Will do that now.
GM's cell system are independent from each other during day-to-day activities. It also involves less risk because you're not roleclaiming. It's a bottom-up system.
Your cell system is really just one big cell, that doesn't really give each person much choice or flexibility in the matter. It has more risk because "confirmations" are never truly confirmations, just within certain likelihood. It's a top-down system.
In my eyes, GM's is the less-risk, less-return choice, and yours is the high-risk, high-return choice. Personally, I like GM's better, but would rather have a more community-chosen circles.
I propose that anyone who wants to do GM's plan sign up with a confirmation and then we make circles amongst them. Talking about GM again and supporting him again. + Show Spoiler +Do you seriously believe this? Do you really think annul would "accidentally" let slip how many mafia there are? I know its wifom but I'm more inclined to believe that there are more than 5 mafia.
Two families... I have no idea where you came up with that. 2 families of five pretty much DOOM the town of twenty completely.
Also no I don't actually believe icemac's mafia, but was happy to see the pressure rising on him. I was not, however, pleased with the lack of reaction he gave. Icemac, please prove me wrong this game and don't be useless.
+ Show Spoiler +##Vote: icemac In case it takes a while to read, was kinda gone the whole weekend kinda
+ Show Spoiler +Ok, all caught up.
LSB vs Barundar- LSB is the one who really pushed the annul lynch. That alone makes me doubt that he's mafia, regardless of how scummy the rest of his play so far might seem. Barundar, on the other hand, doesn't have the cleanest record right now. I'd be ok with lynching Barundar, since LSB has already caught one. interesting
icemac- Getting scummier, really starting to suspect him now. It doesn't help that his lynch is meeting with a lot of resistance. Especially this late in the day. Feels like someone's deliberately diverting the lynch off of him, doesn't it? Personally, I say we go for it. When there's post that triggers a swing in votes this late in the game it feels super suspicious.
Also, it's the end of the day. The entire day cycle was spent with great bickering and squabbles between two parties. Everything was dandy, with two camps clearly lined up. No matter who we lynched, we'd have much more information to look at. But now people are jumping off and actively diverting the lynch. At the end of the day. For no reason other than because foolishness said so.
I hate that. I respect foolishness and all as a player, but that does not mean that we should just blindly do what he tells us. This isn't a battle between a few "priority 1" players, this is isn't even a battle between "priority 1+2" players, this is a game where YOU decide who YOU think is mafia. Is anyone actually voting for people they think are really mafia? Because at this rate, we're going to lose all the progress we made today. And that's bullshit. kinda confirms foolishness as town a bit
+ Show Spoiler +Few things:
I never voted for ICanFlyLow. Ever. Check the voting thread, read through my votes. RoL you're cheating >=(
@Axis of Evil post- Actually, the entire post that I made boils down to "IF YOU ALL FOLLOW ONE PERSON WITHOUT ANALYSIS OF YOUR OWN WE GET NO INFORMATION THROUGHOUT THE GAME". But of course Ser Aspi you wouldn't really agree with that because you're just sheeping along with foolishness anyways. As for LD and JBright, my supposed "scumbuddies", I'm not going to waste my time defending them.
@KP Issue- I think it's likely that there's 2 godfathers and 3 goons left. That's 3.5KP, which should be enough to do everything. Or our vigi is someone who's under heavy pressure and doesn't think anyone will believe their claim, or a noob who was convinced by mafia not to claim (but he should still claim anyways hinthint). I suppose its also possible that LSB/jackal is lying, but until someone comes up with a plausible explanation why they would do that, I won't believe it.
As for lynch targets for today, I'd really like seeing a lynch on any of us axis of evil guys or gryffindor. Would really give us a good idea of where everyone stands, especially if they flip scum. I can assure you lynching me would only serve to get us a bit closer to LYLO, and also maybe let me make some memorable last words that you might actually listen to, so how about the other 3 guys?
@Jackal- You can't actually expect us to go along without telling us why you want kevconism lynched. Convince me. I don't think you'd lie about the RB, so I'm going to take any analysis you give me as town advice.
slight confirm gryff as town. also indirect defense of kevconism
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If it wasn't for this I'd have you right now Gmarshal + Show Spoiler + Cheating: 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox.
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Yeah Coag, Seraph and Gmarshal are tied together, I don't think it extends to only PM friendship buddies.
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WELL GMARASHAL HE SURE LIKED TO TALK BOUT YOU ALOT..
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On March 03 2011 12:28 LSB wrote:If it wasn't for this I'd have you right now Gmarshal + Show Spoiler + Cheating: 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox.
I'm confused...
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Again I have no issues if you want to hang me, vigi shot me or whatever, Its a waste, but it will save us from pointless discussion, also most of what seraph mentions about me is about the day 1 plan, which was kind of the main issue of discussion.
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well thats good cause i do want to hang you
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Votes lists, not that they really mean anything now, but in case someone's interested. + Show Spoiler +On February 25 2011 11:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Annul - 10 Gofarman deconduo LSB astroorion chaoser darmousseh CubEdIn Mr. Wiggles kevconsim Gryffindor
Jbright - 1 JBright
Icemac - 5 why OriginalName ICanFlyLow Beneather LunarDestiny
Gryffindor - 4 Coagulation Jackal58 ohN annul
ICanFlyLow - 3 seRapH LastArgument GMarshal
Jackal58 - 1 Barundar
Kenpachi - 1 Kenpachi
Mr.wiggles - 2 Ser Aspi icemac
Seraph - 1 Foolishness
Darmoussah - 1 kitaman27 ___
FINAL TALLY, Annul to be lynched On February 28 2011 12:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: LSB - 4 Barundar bumatlarge deconduo LastArgument
Icemac - 10 gryffindor JBright chaoser LSB kevconsim Beneather CubEdIn Kenpachi seRapH icemac
Jbright - 3 Coagulation GMarshal Jackal58
LunarDestiny - 6 Foolishness ohN OriginalName why Ser Aspi LunarDestiny ____________ Final vote tally, Icemac to be lynched. Full lists in here + Show Spoiler +On February 25 2011 11:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Gmarshal - 0
gryffindor
annul
Annul - 10 Gofarman deconduo
Ser Aspi LSB
Kenpachi astroorion
GMarshal
Foolishness chaoser darmousseh CubEdIn Mr. Wiggles kevconsim Gryffindor
Chaoser - 0
Ser Aspi
annul
Jbright - 1
chaoser JBright
Why - 0
GMarshal
Icemac - 5
Coagulation why OriginalName ICanFlyLow Beneather LunarDestiny
Gryffindor - 4 Coagulation Jackal58 ohN annul
ICanFlyLow - 3
icemac
kevconsim seRapH LastArgument GMarshal
Jackal58 - 1 Barundar
darmousseh
gryffindor
Kenpachi - 1 Kenpachi
Mr.wiggles - 2 Ser Aspi icemac
Seraph - 1 Foolishness
Darmoussah - 1 kitaman27 ___
FINAL TALLY, Annul to be lynched On February 28 2011 12:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Cubedin - 0
Coagulation
Gryffindor - 1
Jackal58
deconduo
Jackal58
Jackal58 - 0
Gryffindor
Barundar - 0
LSB
why
icemac
kevconsim
Kenpachi
Bumatlarge - 0
Coagulation
MaxwellE - 0
GMarshal
astroorion - 0
Kenpachi
GMarshal
GMarshal
LSB - 4 Barundar
Jackal58
chaoser
OriginalName bumatlarge deconduo LastArgument
Icemac - 10 gryffindor JBright
why
GMarshal chaoser LSB kevconsim
Coagulation Beneather CubEdIn Kenpachi
Jackal58
GMarshal seRapH
Coagulation icemac
Jbright - 3
Ser Aspi Coagulation GMarshal Jackal58
LunarDestiny - 6 Foolishness ohN
GMarshal OriginalName
Coagulation why Ser Aspi LunarDestiny ____________ Final vote tally, Icemac to be lynched.
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So, just in case I die allow me to post PMs showing kevinconism rolefishing and green claiming, that way when a vigi decides to blast me this will at least have been posted
conversation 1 + Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal: Well Hi there!
This is just a friendly PM from a fellow player in Mafia XXXVII, I noticed you aren't posting much so I decided I'd ask what you think of the current situation in the game. Are you getting any scum tells from anyone? Do you have any thought on any of the arguments that have been going on?
+ Show Spoiler + Original Message From kevconsim: Hello the reason I havent been posting is because i sleep and i go to school so i will be reading the rest of the forum right now and answer your questions after that. Sorry i go to high school 30 mins away from my high school and i have to get up at 5:00 in the morning for practice.
+ Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal: Its fine ^^ its just that inactivity often ends with the town losing horribly, so I'm making every effort to make people post and think
+ Show Spoiler + Original Message From kevconsim: Most likely gryffindor is Mafia, vet or (Mad Hatter) because he seems to be trying to Control the conversation and he is not answering a lot of questions he is just trying to deter them. I doubt he will get killed tonight and i think that if he is MH and can get the bombs placed i think it would be good to keep him around
I dont know about Coagulation he seems to be hiding in the back more than the other games that i have read. This is also my first time playing Mafia so i am kinda getting used to how to play.
Jackal saying that he will post peoples pm makes me not want to trust him.
If i had to vote right now i would prolly vote for annul because he is pointing out several people but he is 1)not giving reasons for why people are scum
I am pretty sure you are town. I am pretty sure you are blue too but i do not know which one. Thats all so far!
+ Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal: Good thoughts, I suggest you post at least some of them in the thread, especially the comment about coag, I think it is insightful. gryffindor's play is hard to read, my only comment on it is that I dont think mafia would play that stupid, although feel free to press him on any of these issues.
Good thoughts, I approve, keep it up!
if you want to bounce any more ideas of me I'm around
Conversation 2
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Original Message From kevconsim: Could a tell be voting for yourself to make people think that you dont care if you get voted and by saying incase you forget.
I guess i feel like i would never vote for myself ever
Ex JBright
+ Show Spoiler + Original Message From GMarshal:
Its usually just a placeholder vote, mafia usually never vote for themselves, I wouldn't read much into that vote at all, as its standard practice
+ Show Spoiler + Original Message From kevconsim: ok i guess if you were to do that you would want to do it later in the game. jw who are you going to vote for?so far
I am thinking Annul
+ Show Spoiler + Original message from GMarshal; Sure annul seems like a good vote, right now I'm still mulling over the options, I'm not sure that annul is scum, but it will be interesting to see how he reacts to pressure, that will probably be a tell one way or another
+ Show Spoiler + Original Message from kevconsim; See we got him. That was my best guess and i was right.
Next i think Icemac should go.
I am a regular townie so i dont really do anything at night right?
+ Show Spoiler +Original Message from GMarshal Besides talk and discuss no, you have no special powers at night (or during the day ), this is when people like the Detectives and the Mafia send in what their actions are going to be
+ Show Spoiler + Original message from kevconsim: Thats what i thought thanks who do you think should go next
+ Show Spoiler + Original Message from GMarshal To be honest I really don't know, give the night some time to go by, wait till morning to see who dies, take a good look at who voted for who today, most important, THINK, you'll never get anywhere just following peoples advice, so go ahead take a look and form an opinion. A good player to look at would be Lunar Destiny, another good one to look at might be SerApH. When you have an opinion PM me and we can discuss it, and also post it in the thread.
Notice the bluefishing and the green claim
Again this is in the likehood that a vigi decides to perforate my skull in the name of the town, it should at least give you a decent lynch for tomorrow
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RoL, is there anything that happened that might distort the mafia KP on night 2?
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nope, I see how SerApH talking alot about me and me defending annul day 1
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EBWOP could lead you to those conclusions
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On March 03 2011 12:38 Foolishness wrote: RoL, is there anything that happened that might distort the mafia KP on night 2? I made a mistake Night 1 with the role PM's which made the mafia not realize that their KP rounds up. This cost them the ability to use a power. To compensate for that Night 2 I gave them an extra .5KP
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So mafia still have 3KP tonight.
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