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On March 03 2011 08:44 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 08:39 Barundar wrote:
#Vote Seraph
The case against seraph is a lot stronger than against Jbright. How so? I'm not mocking, I'm genuinely asking, because I've been over the past 10 pages or so and I think JB is much scummier.
I feel like the Jbright analysis is based more on "scumslips" than actual behavioral analysis. Quite contrary to the conclusions drawn by Ser Aspi, I don't see Jbright answering as a pressured scum. His silly reasons and distance from the game tells me bored townie rather than scum.
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Maybe I should have waited a bit but I felt like a good time to post it as I don't particularly like the JBright wagon right now.
Agreed with this, weak reasoning in the votes stacking on Jbright.
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First of all: congratulations to us.
Second of all: LOL at people screaming lynch GMarshal. GMarshal listed his PM’s with Seraph, which doesn’t looks forged, and which several people encouraged him to. GMarshal has been playing pro town all game and has been in contact with a number of people. He posted the PM’s in the thread, and has been clear in his reasoning.
Now I agree GMarshal hasn’t been playing the best, I even prodded him about his vote on JBright, and he would rather lynch LastArgument than seraph. But you are all putting way too much emphasis on people being linked together over actual behavioural analysis.
Third: LOL at people apologising to LSB, and LOL at LSB wanting medic protection. You think someone isn’t mafia because of 1 vote? While he does get some brownie points, LSB’s play is still mafia. Difference is he didn’t bus Seraph.
Let me break the lynch down for you: LSB threw a vote early on to Seraph. But he was casting doubt on the actual analysis while doing so, and he didn’t sound convinced. LSB doesn’t actually bother talking about Seraph or convince others to vote him. Instead he spams at best, and tries to divert at worst:
On March 03 2011 10:23 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2011 10:16 Jackal58 wrote:
Town. Please stay active. Keep your eyes open. All we need now is Pandain to run in and quickly switch the lynch to someone random.
On March 03 2011 10:25 LSB wrote:
Let me try.
EVERYONE LETS LYNCH BARUNDAR! QUICK QUICK QUICK
LSB didn’t believe in the actual lynch, and he certainly didn’t try to convince others. The only thing that gives LSB brownie points for this lynch, is to have had the votes on the right target, but it’s not like mafia can’t park a vote on their own afk team mate, who has strong cases against him. They just don’t want others to do the same. And LSB didn’t push for Seraph, he only put doubt on the case against him. Let’s not forget it was LSB who wanted GMarshal to publish Seraph’s PM’s.
Now who did push for Seraph?
Foolishness, obviously
Why
Myself + Show Spoiler + I feel like the Jbright analysis is based more on "scumslips" than actual behavioral analysis. Quite contrary to the conclusions drawn by Ser Aspi, I don't see Jbright answering as a pressured scum. His silly reasons and distance from the game tells me bored townie rather than scum. On March 03 2011 09:25 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +Maybe I should have waited a bit but I felt like a good time to post it as I don't particularly like the JBright wagon right now. Agreed with this, weak reasoning in the votes stacking on Jbright.
Jackal58 + Show Spoiler + On March 03 2011 09:33 Jackal58 wrote:
Well screw waiting. kevconsim and Last Argument were much to fast and much to happy to both vote for Jbright.
UNVOTE: kevconsim
##VOTE: Seraph
I urge you all to do the same.
Ser Aspi + Show Spoiler + On March 03 2011 10:01 Ser Aspi wrote:
After seeing all these silent voters come out of the woodwork and vote jbright with no rationale Im feeling rather uneasy. My analysis of him was hardly foolproof, i just saw some shady points and wanted to push his buttons a little and I'm not convinced after what's happened.
Seraph on the other hand, let's just say he's pushing some agendas that help the mafia and the contrast of his spamminess pregame and total silence in game is too striking. Jbright might be just a useless townie who I hope fixes his act pronto, but Seraph has something to hide.
##vote: Seraph
All of these are most likely town, along with deconduo who started the day 1 bandwagon. I encourage to protect any of them, but favourite is Foolishness.
So, who should we lynch tomorrow? LSB?
If we have a vigilante out there, then kill LSB. He is still scum, and town has huge problems seeing through his play. He is exactly the kind of scum that you need to use vigi shot on, he is high profile and charismatic, making him difficult to lynch. We will most likely have to drag him to lylo if he doesn’t get vigi killed.
There is someone I think is a way better lynch target for tomorrow, Kevconsim.
Kevcon has been bandwagoning every day, with little reasoning. Upon his suspicious unvote yesterday, I decided to pressure him in PM’s to see if I could actually force an opinion out of him:
Original Message From Barundar:
Just unvoting when put under pressure doesn't make you look more town. What do you think of Seraph and LD
Original Message From kevconsim:
The only reason i did vote was because i thought voting ended today.
I dont trust LD i havent since Day 2. I trust Seraph more than LD but i dont like how he can say one thing and do another.
Original Message From Barundar:
But why do you trust them? What makes LD more suspecious to you? And what makes Seraph less?
Original Message From kevconsim:
Day 1
1. We lynch annul.
2. Mafia are incapable of getting the lynch off of annul. This means they do not have players who are prominent or have a lot of influence.
LD is playing a really quiet game compared to other games he has played in.
Seraph is not being as quiet.
Message from me he never replied to:
LD has posted alot more than Seraph. Try and have a look at the post count. Since LD has posted more than seraph, does that make you reevaluate your suspecions?
It’s quite impossible to force an opinion out of him, and it’s funny how he couldn’t be forced to vote Seraph over LD even when he based his vote on post count. Objectively post count should lead to voting seraph.
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I like your list gryff, and on the whole I pretty much agree. I also think you are town. Difference between me and you is I look more at tone and arguments than at votes, but both have their right in scumhunting. Your list is objectively strong, it's only if you accept my argument on a day 1 bus on annul, that LSB moves to the bottom of it.
Kevcon voted icemac day 1, but suddenly decided to change to annul. I see him as a mafia busser.
GMarshal, Cubedin and LunarDestiny are players that I am leaning town on from their arguments and tone, but who I have problems with objectively. What have they actually done?
I have been defending OhN and LastArgument in PM's, LA based on day 1 PM behaviour, OhN beceause of his posting. But as they fall inactive and doesn't contribute, my suspecion increases.
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How come you are only deciding to contribute now? Your suspect list evolves around who opposed a plan on day 1, well then why didn't you vote accordingly (you voted icanflylow, LSB, Jbright, LSB)? Now it just sound like stuff you made up when you came under pressure. A major part of your case against LD is beceause he "defends" annul day 1, but you ignore him arguing for lynching seraph. And where were you when Foolishness presented his case against LD?
You haven't defended yourself against the analysis of you, or explained how you survived a hit, which seems pretty relevant. I don't even know why mafia would target you.
Too many questions, to add to the pressure:
#Vote LastArgument
If a vigi did hit LA, please claim?
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As for the lynch, I will take my time before voting (lololol), as I'm more confused as to why mafia chose to go for bumatlarge.
How does that sentence even make sense? 
If anything, the fact that he "failed to vote for either mafia" makes me think he's town, as Mafia bussed Annul, and perhaps Seraph as well.
That's the first time I hear you say that it was a bus? Care to elaborate?
Did any medic claim to anyone and told them who he'll defend?
You fishing for medics?
Really, I'm having a hard time understanding your "confused" posts. You are confused that bum got killed, but you aren't confused mafia decides to hit a guy who by means of posting during the night was almost guranteed to be a topic today. And you seem really willing to believe him to boot.
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Ahahaha.... you call for a vig hit on me, yet doesn't hit me. You say you have a red read on bum, but dont hit him either. You hit LA.
LOL
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bullshit
LSB isn't getting away this time.
If LSB flips red, then LA is red as well.
#Vote LSB
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Why would we lynch you GM? If LSB flips red we lynch LA after. He is just lieing through his teeth now.
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Like Foolishness, I think Chaoser is town despite his wrong votes.
LSB has had the right votes, but unlike you Ser Aspi, he hasn't actually scumhunted since day 1. He has parked a vote, but not done any accusation or questioning of people. He has just reiterated that I'm mafia and he wants me dead.
I had kevcon as red before the day post, and I agree with your analysis of his inconsitensies. But there is too much mess regarding LastArgument and LSB for me to ignore for todays lynch. Kevcon can still be a newbie, but if LSB is red, then so is LastArgument.
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Im not buying it. I have been in contact with chaoser since day 1, and at no point has he shown inconsistency or hesitance. Lsb has lied, shown inconsistencies, and has not scumhunted since annul. If you have information proving me otherwise, then provide it.
Coagulation suddenly deciding to join the game, or cubedin suddenly showing decisiveness by voting chaoser, changes nothing for that opinion.
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So, a simple question!
Why would a medic protect you over Foolishness? In case you didn't realise, quite a few of us has been suspecious of you for some time. Foolishness on the other hand has been playing exempliary town.
I call bullshit, right there.
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You are being played Jackal. We all know you are town and that you are convinced, but really, what made you believe in LSB's lies?
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On March 06 2011 07:38 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 07:31 Barundar wrote:
Coagulation suddenly deciding to join the game, or cubedin suddenly showing decisiveness by voting chaoser, changes nothing for that opinion.
EXCUSE ME? I RESENT THAT!
Deal with it, scum.
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On March 06 2011 08:06 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2011 07:58 Barundar wrote:
So, a simple question!
Why would a medic protect you over Foolishness? In case you didn't realise, quite a few of us has been suspecious of you for some time. Foolishness on the other hand has been playing exempliary town.
I call bullshit, right there. In case you haven't notice, I pushed and killed Annul night 1. A medic claimed to me night 1, and didn't die. And has protected, and will keep on protecting me every night. In case you haven't noticed. I've been picky about who I've pushed. By that I mean, I've pushed only reds (and icemac, a mistake). Not really mafia play.
Rofl you have been pushing me since day 1. Based on my analysis of Jackal. And you didnt push seraph, you reasoned in a very unconving manner, and you didnt actually argue for the lynch once. You are lieing, and your logic is failing.
Foolishness has been clearly pushing for seraph, and he has been scumhunting. I don't think anyone in town would put you as more valuable than him last night. It's just another lie.
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Sigh now I'm mafia again. You know how old it gets when you have had NOTHING to back it up with, since your innitial analysis, which was based on my "forced" analysis of Jackal. Talk about forced.
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Lolololol, I can post Skype conversations from the entire game with Chaoser for us discussing targets. Now you are really trying hard 
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The lines are drawn.
LSB/Jackal/Coagulation/Medic. Vrs GMarshal/Barundar/chaoser
Cute, putting the townies in there instead of your scumteam? Will be nice to know who not to go after once you flip, I was getting suspecious of coag.
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