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1) Grfy thinks it's GM fishing for blues and that the plan doesn't work for town 2) GM thinks it will promote activity and that it's a pro-town move (did I get this right?) Let's take a step back and lets move on to pressuring inactives. The newbies I can understand, but JBright, you really should have said something by now. ##Vote: JBright | ||
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Use of PM to ask questions directed at one specific person isn't "isolation" it's scumhunting. He isn't preventing you from posting both in PMs and on the thread. If anything, if you only reply in PM and not in thread, that's a bit suspicious to the person PMing you. Mass pming everyone to ask questions that aren't blue directed could either be townie trying to scum hunt or a mafia trying REALLLY hard to play infiltration role. Grfy's vet claim is a pretty good play if he's town i'd say.... 1) it gets reactions from people 2) mafia has to be on their toes, is he really vet or is he lying? Do we hit him or let him live? The only thing that worries me about it is the mass claim part to me. While most veteran players won't and will merely respond with a what?? you so crazy!!, some newbies with blue roles might actually do it and claim (even some vets are stupid enough to blind claim -_-) For that, I'm suspicious and that's why I'm asking pointed questions to him, specifically in thread. I could have done it in PMs too, which i think is what Gmarshal is doing, applying pressure. | ||
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On February 24 2011 02:21 Jackal58 wrote: If he is a vet scum just have to do a role reversal on him and he's "hit" His claim makes no sense in this set up. And if he's just green? They just wasted 1 KP. It makes mafia doubt and because of that, he can play a bit more aggressive and out in the open, though that might be just in his character... | ||
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On February 24 2011 06:42 annul wrote: actually in fact, the only way you can claim "ive been really scummy so far" is if you saw my play last night, and if you did, then you know i already explained that vote. interesting. Maybe you should do some reading of your own since I've already responded to your point about me already, as have many others. You looking like a dumb town, or a crazy red playing super aggressive. Either way, you better step up your game fast. | ||
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Will reread and post tomorrow, just took a midterm (aced it) and finished a 6 page paper in 2 hours and running on no sleep. Night all, hopefully we have a more peaceful town tomorrow. Angry town=town not working at it's fullest. Emotions get the best of us and then mafia can sway us easily. Remember, this is not just a logic game, it's also an emotional one. | ||
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Firstly, Annul: At present, annul is bad for town whether he's mafia or not...I mean there's not helping town and there's being detrimental to town. Making the thread into a heated mud slinging battle=not very good atmosphere to be catching red in. Promoting discussion is fine, promoting flaming is not. It just lets mafia blend in and take sides and have an easy way of "contributing to discussion". I know he can do better too, it's just a question of why isn't he i guess. I hate policy lynches but if it keeps going this way... I'm willing to have him as a fall back lynch if no one else comes up. That being said, icemac, what's up not analyzing? Whether it's "fluff" or not (I don't really think the topics people are discussing are fluff) there's a lot to talk about. You can talk about the situation in general (why did this convo pop up? if this is mafia talking why would they do this? etc. etc,) Or you can even explain why it's fluff. You kinda just say it's fluff and bounce. How the heck am I red? Just because I'm smart enough to take a bipartisan approach to day 1 and not listen to over analysis and red-analysis doesn't mean I'm scum playing the middle of the road. I actually use to play this way too cause I figured I needed more info before making a call, but making a call by itself is helpful for town. When we look back on past events, we can say, ah ha, this is where he stood in the situation, given what's happened so far, i think he's town/mafia/etc. It's like leaving a mark for all to see. As opposed to saying nothing about anything and then you don't leave ANY mark. How is town suppose to read you if you're just not leaving a mark? By thinking hmm why didn't he want to leave a mark...SCUMMM. See, not helpful at all. Gryffindor: I don't know if he lied or not. Maybe it was just a misunderstanding in PMs where he thought RoL/MK said something they didn't actually mean. Unless RoL says in thread he 100% lied, I'm going to read it as such. His list, I think, is just him giving into popular sentiment. I don't think it points to him as being red, more like he's seeing that it COULD be beneficial. Also, how is it that you can't correlate my idea with his cell idea? Just because we have cells scumhunting, doesn't mean we can't PM a confirmed on d2 or d3. I do not see how it is black vs white, when there is in fact a lot of room for gray area. This statement by him is pretty good, I agree that both can be combined if needed. Makes me think he's green cause he's willing to compromise instead of just toeing the line which is much easier to do as mafia than to reach across the aisle. | ||
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On February 25 2011 03:59 Jackal58 wrote: When your parents caught you lying what was the first thing you did? Get mad nervous and make up a bullshit story? | ||
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I just asked RoL how the KP works to try and figure out how many mafia there are and he said mafia can round up. Assuming 6 mafia like people mentioned before, 5 left, that's 1+/5x4 = 3 KP. That means they can still kill 3 and have .5KP left over to frame/cover. 100% DON'T CLAIM if you've found a townie or a vet, it's too risky, they could be GF or covered. | ||
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On February 26 2011 12:20 Jackal58 wrote: Because it needs repeating. + Show Spoiler + The following need to step up their game: Gofarman - 8 posts astroorion - 3 posts JBright - 4 posts ICanFlyLow - 2 posts ohN - 3 posts why - 6 posts CubEdIn - 6 posts LastArgument - 7 posts Fewer that 10 posts this far in is inexcusable. Cubed I know you can do better than that. I concur @ICanFlyLow I understand it's a little intimidating to see 20+ pages of discussion and whatnot, but you need to post a bit more. By a bit more I mean A LOT more. A very easy way to do that is to go to someone's post, click profile, click his postcount and then open all his posts for this game and read through them and then analyse what they have said. Pretty simple. Currently you have....2 posts. @Gofarman He's looking for a replacement, don't know what's going to happen here @ohN Although he's posted very little, they're pretty good posts by themselves. + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2011 19:21 ohN wrote: 'Just finished catching up My thoughts: Cells are a good idea but GMarshal giving us predetermined groups that he thinks we should work with is pretty scummy. They weren't just like 1-3, 4-6 either, he moved them around to his liking. Not a good candidate for day1 lynch because I don't feel that that alone is enough to incriminate him but definitely FoS on him. I dont see how people think + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2011 12:40 chaoser wrote: Ok, so like Gmarshal said, we shouldn't depend on blues this game. Especially since RoL specifically said this game was to punish us for what happened in Salam. At the same thing, I don't think the mafia powers are all THAT powerful. Let them frame away, that's one less death to worry about. PMs are allowed but PLEASE don't just give out crazy info in them (roleclaim, etc.). The point of town is not to have 1 leader controlling everything but small circles that are separated so that if one goes down, the others can still operate. Let's all work together and not let a few players handle all the work (which always seems to happen). This means contributing pleaseee. Him noting that mafia isn't that powerful is something anybody could point out. Role reversal has huge potential but only if mafia has a confirmed blue. They still have to give up an entire kp to use it so they will not be open to using it without being absolutely sure. Role reversal on a townie does nothing except waste a kp. I'll probably end up voting for someone who hasn't posted anything useful or that guy who thought annul was inactive(lol). and + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2011 10:26 ohN wrote: Icemac is probably town. Bad d1 lynch target. Looks more like a bad/aggressive player than scum. I'm still not convinced annul is a good lynch. Annul's not pushing GM that hard, he simply pointed out that GM had a bad idea and is calling him out on it. I don't think he ever said "GM is clear mafia." GM DID propose an arguably terrible plan; how come nobody else is calling him out for that? Annul's not looking any more scum than GM here in my eyes. Barundar's accusation of Jackal is definitely not convincing but it's not utter crap either. It's an interesting point to look back to in the near future. Slight FoS on Jackal imo. And finally, why is gryff not getting lynched? Blatant lie here. Wait what. ##Vote: gryffindor | ||
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1. Barundar attempts to redirect the lynch off of annul Wouldn't mafia, if they were trying to redirect off annul, find it easier to pick gryf to stack on? He lied multiple times, changed from no to the PMs to yes to PMs but with his own list. I mean, that's a much easier case to be made than to do it on jackal right? It doesn't make sense to try to push jackal is a viable lynch candidate for mafia when the big juicy target of gryf is there. | ||
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Priority 1: Automatic night 1 snipes if possible These players are proven scumhunters LSB Foolishness So basically you claimed town, you didn't even say "good players" you said "proven scumhunters" aka keep us around cause we'll help town win please don't lynch us or town is fucked. Not to mention you scream for medic protection, making it seem like you're town. Basically if we are going to lynch a priority 1 person, the analysis must be far better than a priority 3 person, because if we're wrong, that would be far worse for the town. If we're wrong about you being town and you're actually mafia then it's far worse for the town as well. The whole time you've been building up this image of, don't lynch me town, you're going to get dicked cause you need me via subtle threats to town. BC's guide has stated that we need multiple leaders and not to depend on one guy. By trying to consolidate power in a way that's subtle and a bit underhanded, aren't you just making the town depend on you? That's the worse possible thing for town to do, especially since there's a decent amount of newbies who will sheep. What are you trying to pull? I don't know if you're red but I do know that if barundar flips green, you're the first one on my lynch list. | ||
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I don't agree with you LSB, Jackal wasn't an easier choice than Gryf or icemac. I think at that point, no one had voted for Jackal yet, so for mafia to start a completely new bandwagon instead of using one that already had a decent amount of people in it is weird and not what mafia would do. The only reason mafia would pick jackal over BOTH grfy and icemac is if both of them were mafia and they had to start a new one. So if barundar does flip red, we should pay attention to those two | ||
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On February 27 2011 05:11 LSB wrote: So what do you think about the actual list? You haven't commented if its a good idea or not. Ad Hominem arguments don't count. In addition, how is the list consolidating power? It's not reliant on me at all, in fact, the purpose of the list is so that when I'm dead, people will have an idea of what the mafia is doing and what to pay attention to. I love the list. It's awesome, it helps direct those that are newbies and also paints us an easy picture to see what the status of the game is like currently. It makes me think you're either super pro town or you're doing a power play as mafia, which i know you like to do. Basically I'm acknowledging you're a good player. But if you're mafia, then I want to note these little things and point them out to people so that if we need to in the future, we can come back and look at you again. I'm not saying the list itself is consolidating power, i'm saying that you're dropping little hints everywhere that you should be protected, that if you die then town will be losing a valuable asset and it'll be in a deeper hole than if you were alive. I'm reading it as subtle threats to town. | ||
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On February 27 2011 10:57 icemac wrote: Oh boy, if ohn is mafia and i'm town, i'm going to quote the hell out of this afterwards. For us to know if you're town, don't you have to be dead? how you going to quote it if you dead? | ||
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