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Barundar
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Barundar
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@Barundar, you quoted a post explaining Annul's vote on me, then you say if me/icemac aren't red he is bussing? I agree that Icemac is probably red, but Annul was voting me, probably having been instructed to do so. The context of my post was LSB being more concerned with who annul flipping red would implicate, than actually questioning annul to see if he was red. Like he makes my post out to be a soft defense of annul, he tried to implicated you and icemac. On February 27 2011 22:21 Jackal58 wrote: Barundar, I was strongly suspecting you as being scum creating a "false" argument with LSB. A tit for tat that would sew enough doubt in everybody's mind to allow a 3rd candidate to get pushed to the lynch. But after your Homeric epic on LSB I feel that I must dismiss that idea. I don't believe Scum would go that far in a charade. Instead of believing you both to be scum I am fairly certain one of you surely is. However I am not 100% sure which. However I will be after today's lynch. As I've said before this is a numbers game. I am playing them now. Town still has a large numerical advantage. If LSB flips green you are surely scum and will be dealt with tomorrow. UNVOTE: Gryffindor VOTE: LSB Vote me first or vote me second, up to you. Before I raised my finger of suspecion, I was aware he would probably jump on me... I mean if I had just lynched a scum mate for town cred, I too would be pretty pissed off if someone starts putting fingers on me. I’m willing to trade myself for him 1 for 1. And ye putting that shit together and present it in a somewhat readable format took up my Saturday night. | ||
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Barundar
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Part 1, under 1) and why argued that LSB was suspicious. should read and why argued that annul was suspecious Part 2, near the end: On February 25 2011 07:25 LSB wrote: ~snip~ Gryfs Pms Why would a townie be so concerned with connections to others before we even know if we have 1 scum? This early in the game it’s very unusual for mafia to directly defend each others. But a mafia whos bussing his team mate needs someone to connect to afterwards, to make the lynch worthwhile. Should read: On February 25 2011 07:25 LSB wrote: ~snip~ Gryfs Pms This is a clear defense of Icemanic, and trying to soft defend annul. I am confident in saying that if I replied with "ya your right, I think annul is town but I hate him and just want to lynch him", gryffindor would be supporting Annul. Will read over LSB's posts now. | ||
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Barundar
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I've quoted most of your post in my analysis, and all has been taken into account. Where do I use wifom? I quoted Qatol’s description of your playstyle from that very same game as your link. Where is your analysis of my playstyle? There was plenty of evidence for me to vote annul LSB himself didn't characterise annul as mafia untill quite a few posts later. I quoted Kitaman's summary of the votes on annul in my analysis. They where hardly an indication of a substantial case. Barundar argues for Foolishness being town Deconduo answered this. I argued based on behaviour why LSB was more suspecious than Foolishness, at no point do I say I trust him. Lynch Barundar, when he flips red it proves I'm green Fine with me. | ||
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Barundar
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1) annul lynch was a bus. He offered little resistance and the majority of the votes was only barely beceause they thought he was mafia. 2) You try to take more credit for the lynch than what is due. Your need for medic protection on yourself alone is anti town. 3) Your posts so far lacks scumhunting, there is no "if"'s or "but"''s regarding allignment and consist of bad to no reasons. A pattern you have repeated since votes started stacking on you. 4) Your case on me is an OMGUS, that boils down to lynch me first for proof. There is no reasoning, only lynch, lynch lynch. I wrote 3 extensive posts arguing for my case, so if you want clarification of those 4 points just read them. Bumatlarge had a nice point with the lists not saying anything of LSB's allignment that I didn't include. @town: We got off well on day 1, so you can afford to lynch me and lynch LSB after I flip, or the other way around. Don't let this drag on for more days. My case on LSB has already stopped all other scumhunting, and I apologise for that, but I think I'm right, and LSB has not done anything to prove me wrong so far. | ||
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Barundar
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If you think I've played anti town, go back and read my posts. I raised suspecion against LSB, and he responded with an omgus. His arguments against my case was purely offensive. I'll just leave with my favorite quote of his: I know annul red, ezpz. I know Barundar is red. Lynch him and clear me. | ||
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Barundar
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My big problem in all my mafia games is I don't have the thread pressence to get a lynch through. My best games as town is when I can link with a strong personality and influence them, like with Kav in mafia xxxvi and to some degree pandain in xxxv. In my experience, quantity beats quality when a post can get spammed to silence. So yeah, that's why I offered myself to get lynched. I knew me flipping would be the only way for people to actually go through with my arguments. LSB is a big personality, and can post pages in minutes, and in the end people just get tired and think: They are probably both town. I agree with you that the mafia presence wasn't strong day 1, but I disagree with your conclusion that they where all sheeping along. The luxury of bussing your team mate is you can actually post pro town, and hence LSB was hiding in the open. His anti town play was afterwards, and my initial plan was just to observe, but I decided to put a reasoned FoS out, just to see if he would bite. In my opinion his playstyle afterwards has been textbook mafia with OMGUS accusation, list posting, and "no u" arguments. I do recognise that my case against him has distracted town from actual scumhunting for a day, and so I can live with just at least having raised suspecion against him. If he is mafia as I believe, he will screw up eventually. @Medics, Foolishness is damn valuable to the town, please consider him. | ||
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On February 28 2011 19:30 gryffindor wrote: How can we know the mafia presence wasn't there? We can't. Ofc it was there. It wasn't strong though, no shitstorm even though we got a mafia. | ||
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Barundar
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If I were a Vig, I would save my hit for someone more important, who I couldn't get lynched by making a case towards the town. I lol'd | ||
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And if you want proof I'm green, the fact that foolishness is still alive and wasn't triple stacked last night should be good enough. I found Seraph to be far less hesitant to post in mafia xxxv. He got analysed by RoL day 1, and defended himself pretty well. He also posted a lot more. To pressure him: ##Vote: Seraph | ||
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Barundar
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Not that I have anything against Jackal, I really don't, but I don't know why people are hating on LSB and nobody is really pushing Jackal. Lol why don't you start posting your reasons for suspecting Jackal yourself? Thats a really silly defense of LSB Two games ago, someone said to me (I dunno if it was Barundar or LSB or someone else, doesn't matter), that you have to lynch for information. Who do we get most information out of? I would guess Jbright because it gives us more information on the people "tied" to him (Seraph and LD, was it? Or someone else I'm missing, I didn't have time to go back through the thread all the way). You are by no means a noob at this game. Why do you want to lynch for information over lynching mafia? | ||
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The last person is LSB. The first reason is he surviving after two night. The second night is more suspicious since a medic was killed a night before. I understand this is not a strong reason but should take into consideration later on because I do find it weird that mafia is not trying to gun down the 1 of the 2 top player. Lol yeah there is those 2 reasons to vote LSB. Where have you been all day 2? I want to point out that Jackal also claimed being roleblocked. LSB shouldn't be voted only because of this KP contradiction Seems like a recurring theme suddenly! | ||
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Barundar
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I still think you're Scum Barundar Pissing all over your scum team is fun  | ||
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Barundar
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Well, I remember day 2 as there not much reason behind the lynch and at the end, I was defending myself like mad. I don't have much to say about me keep bring up jackal. But I was writing about the KP contradiction and that also applies to jackal who currently is not on the lynch. Way to go defend yourself when I was just poking at your similar argument to cubed, who popped up at same time as you and LSB. You feeling guilty? | ||
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Barundar
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On March 03 2011 05:36 Coagulation wrote: I just want to point at that I STARTED THE DAY WITH VOTE ON JBRIGHT People followed and he had a good amount of votes and suddenly suspects are being brought up left and right now THE AMOUNT OF SUSPECTS THAT POPPED UP FOR DEBATE SO EARLY INTO THE LYNCH INDICATES JBRIGHT IS SCUM. You vote with no reason. There is several analyses afterwards, and really the only 2 other targets are Seraph and LSB. Other targets didn't just pop up, different people argued for them, you didn't for yours. How about you criticise the analyses instead of the targets? | ||
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Bumatlarge made some interesting points, but it seems that we are dismissing the day-1 lynch which was largely attributed to LSB. LSB attributed it to LSB. Also, Barundar, you're saying that you want to be lynching the mafia, but are you 100% LSB is red? Are we going over that whole "nobody should be sure" thing again? I picked up on an obvious flaw in your argument. You basicly said: I get the argument and I think that one of them is red. But I think someone should have raised suspecion against Jackal as well, so I think we should lynch Chaoser. How does that even make sense? If you believe the argument, then you should be discussing Jackal and LSB, yet you don't seem to be willing to do that. I never said I was 100 % certain LSB is red, but I never stopped hunting for mafia, or talked about lynching for information like you | ||
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Barundar
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 . But allright, I'll bite: @LSB you instantly claimed roleblock upon seeing day post. Later Jackal claimed as well. Thats a full KP bringing us up to 4 KP. My first question is how do you explain: a) 4 kp mafia in a game of this size b) Mafia choosing to roleblock a green claim instead of killing you, considering I probably raised enough suspecion against you to not get medic protection (at least that was my goal, was hoping for a vigi) c) Mafia sacrificing a full 2 KP so far on powers. Seems retarded not to abuse 4 kp. Second question: You spend alot of time defending others, but not alot of time scumhunting (I ignore your posts on me for now). Who are your actual suspects and why? Answers can be PM'ed. | ||
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The case against seraph is a lot stronger than against Jbright. | ||
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