two people died, that does not mean mafia killed two people, there exists the possibility of a vigilante like role, or a third party committing killings

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 18 2011 01:36 GMT

#855

lets get it started then

##Vote: thefluffyone93

anyone have any ideas as to what to do with why's puzzle? I seem to be stuck, there are 7 words left and I have 14 numbers to play with so I assume the two are related, I suspect that each number is a letter in a word and that they are either matches for the cypher or they spell out something useful

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 18 2011 01:49 GMT

#862

Actualy hold off oh hanging fluffy, I can verify his claim one way or another tonight, especially if thats all the evidence you are choosing to hang him one, sorry SiNiquity, but its always suspicious when a very inactive player suddenly shows up to push an agenda against another player

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 18 2011 01:53 GMT

#867

actualy, I just realized I misunderstood the situation, I though you guys were saying he wasn't who he claimed he was, what you are saying is that he is who he claims he is, but he just edited his pm to look pro town, my bad

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 18 2011 01:53 GMT

#868

EBWOP: so yeah in this case hang him

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 18 2011 02:00 GMT

#872

On February 18 2011 10:55 SiNiquity wrote:

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I wish. Just names, but there's gotta be some name / mafia connection else why have the name checker to begin with? why would it even matter? Sadly I've yet to see any evidence supporting this.

Well I had the fact that atheotes was mafia in my PM, I was convinced at the beginning of the game that other people had names that were known to be mafia in their PMs as well, but apparently I was wrong/they died/they dont want to share, I'd ask for people to PM if they know, but that goes against the rules. Either way even if we have decided to hang fluffy, (that seems to be the current consensus) we should consider other targets as well

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 18 2011 02:55 GMT

#878

On February 18 2011 11:54 chaoser wrote:
Ok, 1 mistake I can understand, 2 I can understand, but three people with weird c/p of their PMs? That's a little weird. Is there some sort of faction that WANTS to die? There's no joke roles right?

You do realize that pevergreen wrote out each PM individually, which means its easily possible he made some mistakes/wasn't entirely consistent, I mean he did write 30 individual PMs, so mistakes are possible

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 18 2011 23:37 GMT

#908

Well, thanks to the inestimable help of another player we figured out that the third part of why's cypher gives us the word vigenere which is a type of cypher, probably the one why is using to encode everything, if anyone can help decode the message it would be appreciated as we seem to be a little stuck

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 02:10 GMT

#910

awesome, thanks Mr.Wiggles, now to find the two other keys

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 02:48 GMT

#911

I GOT THE FIRST ONE
it reads Thekeytothismessageisoneoftwonamesthatpevergreengavemeofwhichoneismykillertheothernamewillcometomorrow

or
The key to this message is one of two names that pevergreen gave me of which one is my killer the other name will come tomorrow

the key was deconduo

the second one will be coming soon

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 02:52 GMT

#912

The second name is Insanious the message reads

Thesecondnameiwasgivenisthekeytothismessageeitherthekeytothismessageorthekeytomypreviousmessageismykillergoodlucktown

or

The second name i was given is the key to this message either the key to this message or the key to my previous message is my killer good luck town

so, I think we have two targets to debate tomorrow, thanks to Mr.Wiggles and deconduo without their help I could not have cracked the code

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 02:59 GMT

#913

I find it ironic that deconduo's help was essential to cracking a code that puts him in the spotlight as a prime suspect, I do believe he has been playing pro town all game and assuming atheotes was mafia then there was no reason for him to claim to a fellow mafia member, so I suspect Insanious of being mafia much more than deconduo, however it is possible deconduo is part of a 3rd party or a serial killer with a separate win condition

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 03:37 GMT

#917

bumatlarge, you are assuming that why dosn't have conditions after death witch is plainly wrong, please look at the result of me "solving puzzles that do...what?" now we have two names of people one of which we know to be a killer

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 03:57 GMT

#919

ok
pevergreen, are there players that can share information from their PMs with with the town after dead in any way shape or form?

can you clarify if why's information was legitimate or if he was just being sadisticly cruel?

I dont know bum, you seem might aggravated by this

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 04:07 GMT

#920

also let me be perfectly honest bum, if why was mafia and this was just some dastardly plot to mislead the town then, by god he deserves the win for the epic effort.

also while am at it

pevergreen is there text in anyones pm's (red or otherwise) that affects their behavior after death in any way shape of form?

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 04:19 GMT

#922

I'm not disbelieving you, but I can't seem to find it anywhere in the thread, was this perchance an exchange that took place by PM? If it was then its to everyone's benefit that we get an answer in the thread, anyway, no more point in arguing over it until we get an answer either way, right? ^^

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 05:28 GMT

#925

ok, thank you anyway pevergreen, that just leaves me doubting though.

Personally I dont think why would bother being so deviously crafty after his death for no reason/to waste town's time hence I think we can use his puzzles as at least a guide, I believe we were considering Insanious anyway for his lurking behavior.

Also do either of you two want to claim 3rd party/ vigi roles?

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

February 19 2011 05:41 GMT

#927

On February 19 2011 14:36 kitaman27 wrote:

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If why were to purposely mislead town, then the two people town was suspicious of would be the best choices for him to accuse. I find it weird that he identified two different names. After night hits would probably be a good time for anyone who has used a vig shot to claim.

yes but i find it interesting that both people mentioned by why are still alive a couple of days after he posted their names, I would expect one or the other to have died just statistically, this reinforces the idea that one or both of them belong to some third party/mafia who is working to keep them alive. It could also be luck. Since we have no guarantee that the information is good I propose we take it with a brick of salt and use behavioral analysis among other things to pinpoint mafia

either way I look forward to seeing why's role PM at the end of the game