EPTOn January 29 2011 03:24 BrownBear wrote:
Oh shit, I've been found out! Whatever will I do?
Oh shit, I've been found out! Whatever will I do?
Give me you're Goliath icon, and I'll forget i ever saw that post.
TL Mafia XXXVI - Page 49
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Give me you're Goliath icon, and I'll forget i ever saw that post. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On January 29 2011 03:56 Kavdragon wrote: Just a reminder, the "all" function will disappear soon, so if you like searching through everything like me, you'll probably want to save the page in the near future. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184939¤tpage=All Why you just post the link instead? | ||
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Kavdragon
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On January 29 2011 04:00 LunarDestiny wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184939¤tpage=All Why you just post the link instead? If I'm not mistaken, the link will not work after 50 pages. This is what happens to a link like that after the limit has been passed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179009¤tpage=all | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
So I'm going to do some analysis of Coag. Here's what I know about him from past games: A very aggressive player, especially when under suspicion Doesn't always take the effort to analyze/often goes along with majority Often posts a lot of one-line/contentless posts, broken up rarely by one huge one. Disappears randomly. I don't know how his scum game differs from his town game, because I've only ever played with Coag the townie. So overall, I really haven't seen him ever be super-helpful to town. Maybe during my short hiatus he's shaped up his game, though. Let's take a look at his profile and try to connect it to clues: Picture: none. What's up with everyone forgetting pictures? Quote: derp DERP. Completely useless. Public Profile: His post about holding TL hostage. Important points that might find their way into clues: -Hostages, if we ever see a death where kidnapping/holding someone is involved that might point to him -sharks, unlikely though -flying monkeys, even less likely -manifesto? I don't know, his profile seems specifically engineered to be clue-proof. This is annoying. Fuck it, let's just look at his posts: On January 23 2011 15:44 Coagulation wrote: Kavdragon for mayor is ok by me His first post of day 1, and only post for a while, seems to just be a "hey guys, I'm here" post. Trying to dodge any fingers pointing at inactives by popping in and contributing nothing? Or just a quick post because he's busy? Let's look further. On January 24 2011 15:38 Coagulation wrote: i will volunteer as a bodyguard Coag's second post, near the end of the cycle, and his only other post for day 1. An unacceptable level of inactivity, and since Day 1 was 48 hours, not really something he can excuse. Let's look further into this though. He pops in once to say "yo guys, this thing we're doing, I agree with it." Then he pops in again while we're discussing bodyguard selection to say "yo guys, this thing we're doing, I agree with it. Sign me up." He posted that right after we had kind of decided "maybe having people volunteer for BG isn't such a good idea after all." This shows a severe lack of paying attention on Coag's part, and kind of makes him look like he's entirely uninterested in what town has to say. That's it for Day 1, let's move on to Night 1: On January 26 2011 15:38 Coagulation wrote: referes to the mafia Kp count as "we're" and refers to the "town" in an outside perspective. Badly worded post or scumslip? His first post in a while, completely out of nowhere, right as people are wondering "huh, there hasn't been enough anger in the thread. Where'd Coag go?" (ok, I kid, but you get the point). LD does point out Coag does this a lot, though, right before Coag drops in out of the blue. Furthermore, he posts just to throw a ton of suspicion on Beneather, who has just been selected as a bodyguard. I should mention that Beneather has started to come under more suspicion, so perhaps his argument has merit, and to be fair it was a terribly worded post regardless of Beneather's alignment. Anyway, that plus a couple useless posts are all the activity we get out of him Night 1. Moving on... We talk about bum for awhile, people die, we are sad, we talk about Nemesis, Nemesis defends himself, then Coag posts to whine about the setup: On January 27 2011 15:21 Coagulation wrote: i dont like not knowing what roles people are when they die makes it 100x harder for town. i dont see how this could be balanced fairly. That's great, but why are you choosing to whine about it now? It seems like a very contrived post, and another "hey guys look I'm still here" thing. Fortunately people start noticing, and especially after LD's list, start calling him out. Then he posts why: On January 28 2011 11:59 Coagulation wrote: its not that i dont read the thread i just dont post unless i see something worth posting about. Well, I'd love to believe that, but all but one of your posts so far have been worthless. Completely. kita agrees, and calls him out on it. Then Coag references the ONE useful post he's had all game as a "look I've been helpful" excuse. On January 28 2011 12:07 Coagulation wrote: umm do you read my post's? + Show Spoiler + On January 26 2011 15:38 Coagulation wrote: referes to the mafia Kp count as "we're" and refers to the "town" in an outside perspective. Badly worded post or scumslip? Again, I just can't buy it. kita continues to push him, and Coag lightly OMGUS's kita in return. On January 28 2011 12:13 Coagulation wrote: sure like now i can point out how extremely aggressive kitaman27 is pushing suspicion on me for no reason and say its starting to look scummy. + Show Spoiler + "So there has been nothing this entire game that has been worth posting about? Not a single person that seems fishy?" i gave you an example that proves your blowing things out of proportion. He's very wrong here for a number of reasons. The thread has reached page 45 when this is posted, which means 900 posts have been recorded, about 700 of which are post-start of the game. Of these 700 posts, he's posted about 12 times, and 1 of these posts was actually useful. 700 divided by 31 is roughly 23, so he should have about 23 useful posts at this point in the game. He has 1. I don't see how kita's suspicion is in any way scummy. Yes, you referenced your one post, that's great. However, in order to defend yourself fully you should have referenced at least 3 or 4 with reasons why they were good posts. The fact that not only didn't you do this, but you couldn't do this, is pretty bad. On January 28 2011 12:17 Coagulation wrote: when town its usually best to lay low unless theres a reason not to. when late game comes i post more. also many people will confirm that i post 100x more when im mafia. Here's something I actually want to confirm. Who has played with Coagulation before, and can confirm or deny this? I honestly want to know. Blueclaaaaim. From everything that's happened up to this point, though, I really don't believe it. On January 28 2011 13:04 Coagulation wrote: Kav looks like hes doing a good job so far he has covered all the bases i have seen. But dont worry i do got a list of you scummy fuckers its just not time to start shoving them down everyones fucking throat yet I haven't seen this list yet, and I really want to. So Coag, where's your list? This is a good lesson: Anytime someone who is under suspicion says they have a list/spreadsheet/whatever that contains how to win/catch mafia/bake cookies/whatever, MAKE THEM SHOW IT. If they refuse to show it, THREATEN TO LYNCH THEM UNTIL THEY DO. If they don't have one, that means they lied. And liars are scum, 99% of the time. On January 28 2011 13:33 Coagulation wrote: CubEdIn tube Kenpachi Divinek scum be there Didn't see this post earlier, but if this is meant to be your list, perhaps we should just stop trying. I'm holding out that you actually have a list beyond this, though. I have to. On January 28 2011 13:41 Coagulation wrote: YA hence why i hadnt felt it necessary to post my suspects yet. Ok good, that wasn't your list, but then we get back to the where-is-your-list question. That's all of consequence I could find on Coagulation, and trust me it was hard as fuck. VERDICT: I want to say scum, I really do. But I've been part of too many games where we lynch someone for the same reasons as these and they just end up being a bored townie who decided it wasn't worth it. So, here's what I say: Coagulation, I am CALLING YOU OUT. If you want suspicion to be taken off of you, you have to start playing better than this. I want to see you do these things: 1) Post a real list of suspects, not the piece of crap you posted earlier. 2) Start analyzing those suspects. Convince us that they're suspicious. 3) Refrain from posting the pointless "Hey guys look I'm here" posts in the future. Only post when you actually have something to add. 4) I want to see 15 quality posts a day from you, minimum. You can figure out what quality means yourself, you're a smart dude. I'm not going to advocate lynching you today because there's not enough time left. Consider yourself on super-seekrit probation though. If your game hasn't cleaned up by next day... I'm sure you can figure that out for yourself. | ||
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Coagulation
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On January 29 2011 06:25 Coagulation wrote: lets just lynch this coag dude and get him out of the way so town can focus on actually hunting scum Jesus, if that's the attitude you're taking, why did you even bother signing up in the first place? | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On January 29 2011 06:38 BrownBear wrote: Jesus, if that's the attitude you're taking, why did you even bother signing up in the first place? yes i have no qualms with my vote because of that | ||
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Nemesis
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If you are going to lynch me, at least have a better reason than LD's clue analysis. I have already pointed out why his analysis is crap. Bolding "really" to point out to Reality Marble. "Flash of steel gun" as pointing out to Flash in my profile. -.- Really, you think that Flash refers to GOD YOUNG HO's ID? And using "blood" to relate it to my profile again which seems to be a theme in all the post so far. If you think, I'm scum, say why. I feel like clues just let people FoS someone without giving a good reason for their votes. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 29 2011 06:38 BrownBear wrote: Jesus, if that's the attitude you're taking, why did you even bother signing up in the first place? To hone his village idiot skills. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 29 2011 06:41 Nemesis wrote: If you think, I'm scum, say why. I feel like clues just let people FoS someone without giving a good reason for their votes. bum provided an analysis against you. Do you plan to respond to that? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
MAKE SHIT UP FOR SAKE OF POSTING? I have accidentally lynched enough townies committing to half ass bandwagons over less than tangible evidence. So im not gonna make up shit. I know people listen to me. maybe not because im a good mafia player or a great analyst but because I am very blunt and to the point and stand firmly to my convictions. I have responded to accusations of being inactive promptly every time. Im clearly watching whats going on. Why dont you focus on people who are actually avoiding responding to fucking pressure. | ||
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BrownBear
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On January 29 2011 06:54 Coagulation wrote: WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO? MAKE SHIT UP FOR SAKE OF POSTING? I have accidentally lynched enough townies committing to half ass bandwagons over less than tangible evidence. So im not gonna make up shit. I know people listen to me. maybe not because im a good mafia player or a great analyst but because I am very blunt and to the point and stand firmly to my convictions. I have responded to accusations of being inactive promptly every time. Im clearly watching whats going on. Why dont you focus on people who are actually avoiding responding to fucking pressure. If you haven't noticed, almost everyone in the game has done more with the information they have than you. How can you say that standing firmly by your convictions = good mafia play? Also, I haven't seen a single conviction so far. Mostly because you've posted nothing. Like, seriously. Nothing. One post kind of implicating Beneather that you then didn't follow through on. If you think you aren't a great analyst, then now's the time to start getting better! I want to see you analyze someone. You're obviously on. Do it now. What do you have to lose? Your responses to inactivity aren't cutting it. By your logic, everyone in Mafia could scrape by by posting several "Hai guyz I'm in the thread k" posts a day, and we'd get nothing done. The "15 posts" was an arbitrary number, it's not like I'm going to hold you to it. It's just there to set a goal for you to aspire to. And no, I really can't believe you are incapable of finding something to post about. Almost everyone else seems to be doing just fine. | ||
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