EPTTL Mafia XXXVI - Page 3
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And then another persons enters the clearing. He is careful, disturbing nothing, as quiet as the trees surrounding him. A coward, he hid in the shadows witnessing it all, doing nothing. He gazes down at the body of Meapak, the drying blood staining his feet. He shudders, and continues on. Really fills my mind I followed TheAldo. And as I ran my knife across his throat, no one was there to help him. Aldo was hiding doing nothing like a coward. | ||
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On February 02 2011 19:45 CubEdIn wrote: Right, I'm lying. Because I didn't try to stop Nemesis lynch back from the first time he was on the line. I didn't need any posts, but the rest of you obviously did. That night post was not nearly as "absolving" as HIS post was. And nobody cared. Besides, the night post was picking at Steelers, which was tied to Jackal58 not Nemesis. Are you trying to distract town from the problem at hand? Not really, we pretty much posted the same thoughts, I just posted before you. | ||
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Kav obviously you and the mason group will have a whole lot of information more than the rest of the town, and while im fine with you not sharing anything, i want you to not turn this into a mason group deciding and a town following like sheeps. Hence i would like the discussion of what to do for the lynches to continue in the thread. The best choice of action is in my opinion to kill off lunar tonight to reduce kp. The only alternative would be to lynch a mafia now and give lunar orders on who to kill tonight. But this would require us to hear from lunar, and be certain of 2 mafia. Bum and beneather or what? Got a third suspect? Opinions from people? | ||
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On February 03 2011 14:57 Mr. Wiggles wrote: So I've been looking through the day posts and people's profiles a bit recently. There have been 4-6 mafia kills so far, so that means that there should be clues on the whole mafia team almost, or a couple of them twice. I haven't found too much for mafia yet, but I'm going to keep looking. (I'm tired, just did a whole bunch of algebra and physics homework :p). One thing that did pop out at me though, and I don't think it's been mentioned, are two possible clues referring to LunarDestiny, and both in the "serial killer" part of the post. Now, from LD's profile: The part that interests me is "Karma is a b****. Gets you every time.". If you look up at the day 2 post quote, theAldo is watching as Meapak is killed, hiding in the shadows. Then the new killer comes out and slits his throat. But what really gets me, is that it says "no one was there to help him. How fitting.". Aldo sat and watched, doing nothing as Meapak was killed, and now he is murdered in turn, and there is no one to help him. What makes it stand out as a clue though is the "how fitting" tacked onto the end. Now, if you look at the day 4 post quote, the killer asks for help. Deconduo was open to helping until he realized he had to enter the poop-your-pants-it's-so-scary-cave. Then he tried to run and was struck down by the killer. And once again, something is added, this time a "Serves him right.". These both fit in with the quote about Karma and getting your just desserts. TheAldo didn't help Meapak, instead letting him die alone, and was then "fittingly" killed alone with no one to help him. Then, Deconduo wouldn't help move the body, he wouldn't do a favor, and so he gets killed too, but I guess Karma's a b****, what can you do? :p These two clues fit LD very closely. I'm going to see if I can find anything else in the day 3 post, or potentially day 1 as well, leaving this here for now. Has already been pointed out by Divinek and myself. I'm very interested in you ignoring the whole Kav vs Bumatlarge debate completely, while making your first directly incriminating clue analysis in the game. You don't get any brownie points for it though, since mafia loves to find SK's. So what is your opinion of Bumatlarge? And what do you think of Kavdragon? Can you find clues pointing to them? | ||
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Kenpachi was very quick to name beneather a vigi. And he has been completely silent with regards to bum? I need to look it over, was planning on doing an analysis of him anyways. I have a town read on BB. Couldn't all those bear references just as easily be Mr.Wiggles references? He is singing (wrote the Stan parody), and being a bear in a detective costume kinda is being masked? | ||
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Votes: Kavdragon (for mayor), Nemesis, Nemesis, LunarDestiny--> Bumatlarge Actions: Early game: + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2011 14:58 Kenpachi wrote: mayoral elections confuse the hell out of me ;;.. I honestly cant see the scummyness if shown so i think i would bandwagon for today. BUT, im voting Kavdragon for effort  On January 24 2011 15:00 Kenpachi wrote: But wait, wheres DrH's campaign post thing? Lack of good reason, but nothing unusual for Kenpachi. + Show Spoiler + On January 26 2011 09:11 Kenpachi wrote: Yea this is a good idea. (not being sarcastic) I nominate myself to the position of body guard cause im a useless townie Volunteers as BG, green claim. Doesn’t really say much of his alignment. + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2011 15:24 Kenpachi wrote: r u 4 rela? Kita you bastard and your English language. And you to Mr. Zergling and Mr. Wiggles -_- Your counter clue analysis is weak Nemesis. I honestly think that clue was way too easy to find but only fits you.. On January 27 2011 15:28 Kenpachi wrote: fuck howd i miss Pandain's animals. BrownBear also likes kittens On January 27 2011 15:29 Kenpachi wrote: or rather kitty cats. These post tells us Kenpachi has been hunting for clues, which is a plus. This is the first of his posts regarding Nemesis. Note however he didn’t come up with the clue references, he just bandwagon. Mafia knows who the clues refer to, so coming up with a serius case on innocents based on a clue reference is counter-intuitive, it’s much easier to jump on someone else’s wrong analysis. Tunneling Nemesis: + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2011 15:37 Kenpachi wrote: yo RoL. bum's analysis on you is powerful shit. Can you defend yourself at all? Takes a break from Nemesis to hear about the RoL counterwagon. Calls RoL out, but never actually takes any stance on RoL. Clearly he must have been suspecting RoL to call him out? + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2011 08:58 Kenpachi wrote: Why the hell are the votes so split up.. just take down Nemesis please? Doesn’t actually defend RoL, just tell people to vote Nemesis. At this point he is tunnelling. He has not provided any reasons for why he is voting Nemesis, or why he would rather vote Nemesis than RoL. + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2011 12:35 Kenpachi wrote: wow you guys wtf. Even if Nemesis says hes Green, we will never know. He can be a lying scum ffs.. This is his reaction to Nemesis surving day 1: + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2011 13:00 Nemesis wrote: Something to note is that is that mr.wiggles suddenly changed his vote from abstaining to me when RoL was in danger of being lynched. Looking back at his post, he hasn't made any mentions of being suspicious of me. The only reason I can think of for his last minute change of vote is to save RoL. So if RoL flips scum, I would take a good look at this guy. His post are mostly fluff and he doesn't really take a position on anything. I suggest Mr. Wiggles for dt check/vigi hit. On January 29 2011 13:01 Kenpachi wrote: WTF GUYS WTF WTF WTF NEMESIS HOW sigh w/e. On January 29 2011 13:02 Kenpachi wrote: ^ good point though Clearly very upset with Nemesis surviving, but easily follow him into suspicion of mr.wiggles? He gets called out on this flipflopping by coag: + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2011 13:04 Coagulation wrote: your saying the guy that you cant believe didnt get lynched because you think hes scum Has a good point regarding who is possibly scum /facepalm His reaction: + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2011 13:10 Kenpachi wrote: IMO, instead of wasting your DT check on me, check Wiggles. I think itll bring back solid results (im trusting you Nemesis..) Now he is trusting Nemesis! And no-one has called for a DT check on him, or even mentioned they where suspececious of him. This is a clear over-reaction to being called out, a DT check is not the first worry of a green player. First post on day 3: On January 30 2011 11:29 Kenpachi wrote: okay uhh i think i want Nemesis dead ;l No more trusting Nemesis, back to tunnelling him. Note there was no additional evidence against nemesis between this post and his last. Then this follows: + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2011 11:30 Kenpachi wrote: oh wait nvm. On January 30 2011 11:36 Kenpachi wrote: I still think Nemesis was to be lynched yesterday. can we kill him today? These posts are a response to Jackal being the steel clue. This kind of flip-floping I actually find very town like. It’s the kind of doubt that someone without knowledge has. But I think Kenpachi is actually hunting for SK, and the mafia is just as unknowing of who the SK is as the town. The mafia probably figured steel wasn’t a reference to any of them by this point, and that it could very well be the reference to the serial killer. A mafia would appear very town like trying to find clues to the serial killer, it is only when hunting for mafia that they differ. Kenpachi doubting whether steel points to Jackal instead of Nemesis does therefore not clear him of suspicion. Defending Beneather While Kenpachi has been pushing for Nemesis, zerroth has launched Beneather as a clue reference. Kenpachi responds:+ Show Spoiler + On January 30 2011 11:40 Kenpachi wrote: at first those clues were piss poor but it looks alright.. I think hes Vig as he listened to our commands. Mafia hit people that are not under suspicion Instantly calls Beneather a vigi, even though we are missing 2 night hits. Very suspicious. + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2011 11:41 Kenpachi wrote: ^ refers to zerroth and Beneather. Imo, based on your activity and contributions in the past few days i assume your mafia trying to take down the vig without using your KP Straight into a chainsaw defense! By chainsaw defense I mean that he defends Beneather by accusing his accuser, zerroth. + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2011 11:42 Kenpachi wrote: Okay, so id like DT to check beneather next night and us to take out Nemesis today. Flipflop into not suspecting zerroth at all, but putting lynching Beneather off until a DT can check him? Look at the time stamps for those posts, WTF? + Show Spoiler + On January 30 2011 11:45 Kenpachi wrote: oh man Master Butcher lol its now obvious that is pointing to Beneather.. Is he Mafia, Vig, or SK is the question. On January 30 2011 11:47 Kenpachi wrote: FUCK IM NOT READING FURTHER LOL On January 30 2011 11:48 Kenpachi wrote: also Wiggles is a suspect from yesterday's last minute vote change.. Holds on to the possibility of Beneather being vig hit. The Mr.Wiggles mentioning could be an attempt to divert the talk, but really I don’t think these posts sais much. After this follows the Jackal bandwagon, and Kenpachi just spam a little with the rest of the town. He is quiet until it is suggested to switch the lynch to eti. His vote has been sitting on Nemesis the whole time: + Show Spoiler + On February 01 2011 08:21 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'm willing to throw my support behind switching to eti as well, we have possible clues on all 3 people right now, but I don't feel great lynching any of them. eti hasn't really had a presence all game long, so I think it would serve well to rile up the lurkers. On February 01 2011 08:27 Kenpachi wrote: Wiggles no. just no nononono On February 01 2011 08:44 Kenpachi wrote: I MEAN WHY? KILL NEMESIS sorry the idea of changing to Eti at the last second is retarded. Tries to stop the diversion of the Nemesis lynch. To some degree I’m happy that he did, since we didn’t have to face that mess anymore, but it is very possible that mafia thought Nemesis was the SK at this point, and just wanted to finish him off. + Show Spoiler + This is his only post after Bum's claim. He completely ignored the discussion about Bum and Beneather, and just placed his vote on LunarD, then on Bum without a word. First of all this is way less activity than the other days, he cared a great deal for the Nemesis lynch, but now he is suddenly uninterested? Even though we just found scum? Summary and conclusion: Kenpachi’s actions this game can be summarized as volunteering for bodyguard, tunnelling Nemesis, defending Beneather, while suddenly disappearing when we found scum. He has been heavily flipflopping when Beneather was accused, tried to chainsaw defend him, and has only really been nurturing the steel clue. His behaviour has been mafia text book: hunting for SK, bandwagoning, tunnelling hard, flipflopping and chainsaw defending. His lack of activity after asking for medic protection for bum is very unlike his play on the other days. While he has not been super active, he has definitely been following the game, until shit hit the fan for mafia. Verdict: Mafia As a side note I feel alot better about Mr.Wiggles now. | ||
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In case I'm dead tomorrow, I think the remaining 2 mafia can be found by analysing who pushed the Lunar lynch. | ||
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On February 04 2011 21:28 Beneather wrote: It's hilarious how all the analysis have the verdict of: Mafia (: So how you liked first game as mafia? King of the world untill someone catches up on you right? | ||
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Did sin end up being modkilled? How many mislynches can we afford now? | ||
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On February 05 2011 12:45 LunarDestiny wrote: Mods, mafia, and town mindfucked me. Mafia set dt and roleblock trap for me. Mods encouraged me to keep playing. Mafia count dropped to 2 Town lynches LunarDestiny. Such a cruel fate for this SK. You where town mvp clue analyzer, and we even had you for medic protection. If he wasn't dead i would have voted for letting you kill coag as a thank you gift! (just kidding coag <3) | ||
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On February 06 2011 00:45 CubEdIn wrote: Also, no, we shouldn't kill lunar today. LSB clearly stated that Lunar can commit suicide. Lunar said he wanted to "retire". So technically, there's no reason to waste a lynch if Lunar just offs himself. I guess it's still a sort-of a risk, if he decides to kill someone for the lulz, but even in that case, he might hit a red, and we can lynch him afterwards. Worst case scenario, we just lose a townie. No reason to hand mafia an extra KP tonight. LunarD was convinced to play on, and there is no doubt he will hit town tonight. Mind updating the OP with the dead? I'm still not sure if Sinequity is dead or alive | ||
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There is always the chance of someone being innocent despite a great analysis, and we can afford more mislynches if lunar dies first. We might be guranteed to win if we hit mafia tonight, but if you think about it, the only way it's possible for us to lose is actually if lunar is alive and he helps mafia. | ||
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I like your case, but it's more beneficial for town to wait with killing mafia right now, and risk missing. Remember how tunneling Pandain in minimafia only helped mafia. | ||
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Prepare your case and push for it tomorrow, when we only have 2 mafia left and no sk. | ||
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