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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 00:56 GMT
#366
Yeah, and not to say anything bad about the mods, but wouldn't they want to make the clues decently hard? This would mean making clues that could point to multiple people depending on how you looked at them, or that are somewhat ambiguous.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 01:19 GMT
#369
On January 24 2011 10:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2011 09:59 SiNiquity wrote:
On January 24 2011 09:46 Node wrote:
On January 24 2011 09:11 BrownBear wrote:
I also just noticed something else. The mayor's role:

You are the elected leader of the town. Elections will take place on day 1. When elected, you will publicly select two bodyguards to protect you for the rest of the game. While bodyguards are alive, you cannot be targeted by night hits or the roleblocker. Role checks on you will return “Mayor”.

You have the power of Census. Every night, you have the ability to determine the number of any alignment or role in the game. For instance, you can check the number of mafia total, OR the number of godfathers, OR the number of roleblockers in the game. The valid alignments are Town (returns the number of vanilla townies), Special Town, Mafia, and Serial Killer. All roles listed here can be counted. For the purposes of census, bodyguards, the mayor, and godfathers count as their original alignments and roles.

Normally, the Mayor cant be targeted by DTs either, but it seems like that was purposefully left out.

Mod Question: Can the mayor be DT checked/medic protected/mason recruited?


The mayor can be DT checked, but it returns "Mayor" regardless of alignment. So there's not much point. The mayor can be medic protected and mason recruited.


Well that's an interesting twist. Now my interests are piqued - prior to this rule change I assumed the Mayor would almost certainly be GF if Mafia. This now gives Mafia the opportunity to effectively have [at least] two GFs. Boo


Meh, this is how the mayor role usually is. It's not so bad for us. A mafia with "two godfathers" can get really cocky and make huge mistakes. Without PMs it's hard to take advantage of that as much.


I think scum still gets PMs. That was my understanding from my earlier questions.

Mods, can scum send PMs to each other? Thanks.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 01:43 GMT
#373
On January 24 2011 10:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On January 24 2011 10:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
On January 24 2011 10:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 24 2011 09:59 SiNiquity wrote:
On January 24 2011 09:46 Node wrote:
On January 24 2011 09:11 BrownBear wrote:
I also just noticed something else. The mayor's role:

You are the elected leader of the town. Elections will take place on day 1. When elected, you will publicly select two bodyguards to protect you for the rest of the game. While bodyguards are alive, you cannot be targeted by night hits or the roleblocker. Role checks on you will return “Mayor”.

You have the power of Census. Every night, you have the ability to determine the number of any alignment or role in the game. For instance, you can check the number of mafia total, OR the number of godfathers, OR the number of roleblockers in the game. The valid alignments are Town (returns the number of vanilla townies), Special Town, Mafia, and Serial Killer. All roles listed here can be counted. For the purposes of census, bodyguards, the mayor, and godfathers count as their original alignments and roles.

Normally, the Mayor cant be targeted by DTs either, but it seems like that was purposefully left out.

Mod Question: Can the mayor be DT checked/medic protected/mason recruited?


The mayor can be DT checked, but it returns "Mayor" regardless of alignment. So there's not much point. The mayor can be medic protected and mason recruited.


Well that's an interesting twist. Now my interests are piqued - prior to this rule change I assumed the Mayor would almost certainly be GF if Mafia. This now gives Mafia the opportunity to effectively have [at least] two GFs. Boo


Meh, this is how the mayor role usually is. It's not so bad for us. A mafia with "two godfathers" can get really cocky and make huge mistakes. Without PMs it's hard to take advantage of that as much.


I think scum still gets PMs. That was my understanding from my earlier questions.

Mods, can scum send PMs to each other? Thanks.

Yes of course they can. I don't see how that is relevant to what I'm saying. If they can't PM townies then it's much harder to use the godfather role to full effect.


Oh, my bad for the misunderstanding.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 02:37 GMT
#386
Also, in reference to the cat, you have:

BrownBear
really really like cookies. And kitty cats.

Even weaker of a connection, but in the same vein.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 02:44 GMT
#388
On January 24 2011 11:42 ilovejonn wrote:
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On January 24 2011 11:33 LunarDestiny wrote:
Not strong, but post anyway.

OriginalName
What do Tigers Dream of when they take their little tiger snooze?
Do they dream of mauling Zebras or Halle Berry in a Catwomen suit?
Well don't you worry your little tiger head we'll get you back to tyson and your cozy tiger bed!
And then we'll find our best friend Doug and then we will give him a best friend hug.
Doug Doug douggie Doug Doug
and if he gets caught by some Crystel Meth Tweakers
Then were Shit Outta Luck

totally written on an iPhone cause I'm a boss.


As the host brought around the drinks, as the the crowd crescendos with laughter, as the band broke out into another song... I felt something was wrong. Did the lights in the ceiling just black out? Are those black shapes in the alcove bats? Is that shadow in the corner a black cat?

Never thought I'd walk on this street again.

I should have known that this voyaged was cursed with bad luck from the start.

Also, his profile picture is a guy dressed in a black suit. Hole in head perhaps those ear piercings? But that may be stretching it.


The hole in head was Qatol, supposedly shot by Foolishness. Qatol was the "original" assassin.Don't know if it's still a clue or not, but it is in reference to Qatol, not the new killer.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 03:01 GMT
#391
On January 24 2011 11:33 LunarDestiny wrote:
Not strong, but post anyway.

OriginalName
What do Tigers Dream of when they take their little tiger snooze?
Do they dream of mauling Zebras or Halle Berry in a Catwomen suit?
Well don't you worry your little tiger head we'll get you back to tyson and your cozy tiger bed!
And then we'll find our best friend Doug and then we will give him a best friend hug.
Doug Doug douggie Doug Doug
and if he gets caught by some Crystel Meth Tweakers
Then were Shit Outta Luck

totally written on an iPhone cause I'm a boss.


Show nested quote +
As the host brought around the drinks, as the the crowd crescendos with laughter, as the band broke out into another song... I felt something was wrong. Did the lights in the ceiling just black out? Are those black shapes in the alcove bats? Is that shadow in the corner a black cat?

Never thought I'd walk on this street again.

I should have known that this voyaged was cursed with bad luck from the start.


Also, to add on to Catwoman/Cat connection. Normally Catwoman is portrayed as wearing a black catsuit, so this fits in with the theme of black and the phrase black cat.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 03:33 GMT
#398
On January 24 2011 12:30 LunarDestiny wrote:
Do we have a lynch on day 1?


I believe we do.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 03:34 GMT
#399
On January 24 2011 12:33 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2011 12:30 LunarDestiny wrote:
Do we have a lynch on day 1?

The Mayor sends in who to lynch for day 1


Really? So it is completely mayor's choice of lynch Day 1?

This changes a lot. It makes it even more important that the mayor isn't scum, so they don't get an extra KP on top of the power of census. It also means we need to pick someone town can trust.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 03:42 GMT
#401
Oh, well by changes a lot, I meant for myself. I didn't know that, as in XXXV, there was no mayor. It still does give mafia a bit of free reign though. They could target a more experienced player than town might be willing to lynch the first day or something along those lines.

So I'd also like to hear from mayoral candidates:

How are you going to decide the Day 1 lynch?
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 03:54 GMT
#414
On January 24 2011 12:46 zerroth wrote:
i was trying to find connections about that line about creating a new colony/world and becoming heroes. There isnt really anything thats popped out for me in players profiles.


SiNiquity has a video for the game Starsiege.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=SiNiquity

From the video, it somewhat fits the theme of starting new, and becoming heroes, watch it.

Originalname is starting to fit more and more though.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 05:46 GMT
#446
On January 24 2011 14:11 LSB wrote:
Read the thread guys comeon...


?
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 05:46 GMT
#447
On January 24 2011 14:46 Mr.Zergling wrote:
Still no other mayor candidates?


Volunteering? :p
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 05:47 GMT
#448
Also, going to bed now, won't be back for 16 hours. Be nice.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 06:04 GMT
#451
On January 24 2011 09:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Also I'll run for mayor.

Reasons you should vote for me:

1. I am a big mafia target and bodyguard protection will help me survive into the later stages of the game.
2. I do fairly well at organizing town discussion and making sure we don't get sidetracked.
3. I'm not the best scumhunter, but I'm getting better. I am pretty good at determining who is trustworthy so I think I'll make good decisions as far as bodyguards.
4. I'm great at clue analysis.

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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 22:06 GMT
#513
Back, and when I said going for 16 hours, that's cause I was at school for the day, not cause I was sleeping for two thirds of the day. (-.-*)

On January 25 2011 06:56 darmousseh wrote:
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On January 25 2011 06:38 kitaman27 wrote:
On January 25 2011 06:31 zerroth wrote:
LSB is already dead


You killed him, didn't you?



What if LSB was scrum? Wouldn't that make him a vigilante or a serial killer?


Mafia killed off their weakest, most suspicious, player so Zerroth can role-claim vig and start a mafia-run town circle. Obviously. Unparalleled scum-hunting skills right here.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 22:36 GMT
#520
On January 25 2011 07:15 LunarDestiny wrote:
NO ONE HERE IS SPAINISH???

CHINESE DUDE HAD TO USE GOOGLE TO FIND OUT WHAT "mi dio" is. Those who are spanish, I think you are mafia for not pointing out what "mi dio" is.

"mi dio" = my god
mi = my
dio = god


ilovejonn

Show nested quote +
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both willing, and able?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither willing, nor able?
Then why call him God.

source:
http://mymemory.translated.net/s.php?q=mi dio&sl=it-IT&tl=en-GB&sj=all



Your translation is actually from Italian. When I translated from Spanish it gave me "I gave". I couldn't find any connection to "I gave", and assumed it must mean my God before translating. But is that a clue, or just an Italian expression of surprise from the soon to be killed character of Foolishness?
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 24 2011 23:02 GMT
#524
The thing is, it is Foolishness saying it, the moment before he gets his throat slit. I'm not dismissing it as a clue, but it seems a bit of a stretch. I think it may be more related to being Italian than the words "my God" if it were a clue. For example, in kitaman27's profile, he copy pasted Shakespeare's King Henry VIII. Using ctrl+f, I can find 34-37 instances of the word "God", and 3 of the word "Sword" in the play. I haven't read through it yet, but as it is Shakespeare, I can imagine things in the play become rather violent. I don't think this points him out to be the killer though, because it does not fit with the rest of the Day post. Just like I don't think Ilovejohn is just because he treats God in his profile. But maybe I'm wrong. I'd just like to see more correlation than the word God.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 25 2011 00:04 GMT
#541
On January 25 2011 08:55 BrownBear wrote:
Who is aidinai? More importantly, why has he managed to completely derail town with one useless post?

Let's focus more on the mayoral debate. For one, I wonder why RoL voted Kav without giving reason. Maybe he's just not voting for himself, either because he doesn't think he can, or because he is being polite. Or maybe he's decided he doesn't want the mayoral position that much after all. If so, why?



He never seemed to be that enthusiastic about pursuing the position besides his one long post on the matter. I'm actually curious about the change of heart too, as he sounded like he was going to really push for the mayorship now, and he had Dr.H throw his support behind him. Is he not running anymore, has he conceded? Or is it simply a matter or politeness?
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 25 2011 01:44 GMT
#555
On January 25 2011 10:37 BrownBear wrote:
I would think RoL would have posted saying "NVM guys, my bad, don't want to be mayor after all..." Perhaps he's feeling apathetic about this game as well? If so, why is he still playing? Apathy shouldn't be tolerated.

I'll switch over to Kav in a second. Let's not just all agree on killing ON right now though. More discussion/analysis = better chance of killing someone. Also, ON isn't really doing a good job of defending himself if he actually is scum. Typically scum are more active in their defense, and will usually try to deflect suspicion onto someone else, or highlight someone else's scummy behavior. Basically, draw suspicion away from them, not act like the suspicion is no big deal. That speaks apathetic townie to me, not scum.


Well ON did try to poke at a few other people using weak clue correlation towards them. Also, could the bolded black be referring to the Serial Killer? Then he wouldn't have his team to rely on, and would have to act independently. This sounds like it could seem daunting and make him act timidly. I do agree that we need some more analysis and discussion though, before we tunnel-vision, especially as we have some time before mayor/lynch, and there are no role reveals. It would also be interesting to hear from ON, though it must be hard to defend oneself from clues, as all you can really do is point out holes in the clue logic.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 25 2011 02:25 GMT
#566
On January 25 2011 11:17 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 10:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On January 25 2011 10:37 BrownBear wrote:
I would think RoL would have posted saying "NVM guys, my bad, don't want to be mayor after all..." Perhaps he's feeling apathetic about this game as well? If so, why is he still playing? Apathy shouldn't be tolerated.

I'll switch over to Kav in a second. Let's not just all agree on killing ON right now though. More discussion/analysis = better chance of killing someone. Also, ON isn't really doing a good job of defending himself if he actually is scum. Typically scum are more active in their defense, and will usually try to deflect suspicion onto someone else, or highlight someone else's scummy behavior. Basically, draw suspicion away from them, not act like the suspicion is no big deal. That speaks apathetic townie to me, not scum.

I agree that we shouldn't be 100% locked into lynching ON but as Ilovejonn (can I abbreviate to ILJ?) pointed out, ON has done a couple of weakish and scummish defenses of himself. Right now I'm inclined to say he's a SK rather than mafia but either would be a good kill. However I will (and I hope Kav does as well) continue to look around to make sure we have the best fit for the clue.


Honestly, if we become convinced he's SK, we should just make him a bodyguard, and lynch him at our leisure.


Except the SK doesn't protect the mayor. Also, I believe any special roles get to keep their powers if they are recruited. This would basically give the SK free reign to kill whoever he wanted for a few nights and screw up town, especially if he knew we knew who he was and were going to lynch him.

Bodyguards, if recruited from Blues, SK, or Special Reds, still get to keep their powers, correct?
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