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if we cannot fulfill a contract, do we instantly die? | ||
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will read game and PMs now | ||
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On January 07 2011 11:13 LSB wrote: Game to start in <48 Hours btw here is my "damn good reasoning" the game hasnt even technically begun yet | ||
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right now we have a claim from lunar that he can day kill every day in addition to any lynching. be careful with this claim, as i assume (based on the language of my item(s)) that an ability like that costs significant money to use. it may, for example, cost 600k to use in which case he needs 200k from someone to shoot again, etc. it is unlikely to be just +1 day KP without drawback or restriction. in a game where money is such a factor, i assume probably every item has some monetary relevance to it. keep this in mind when contracting. LSB: do we have the ability to vote no lynch? | ||
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if he does, we need a DT to come out. | ||
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i can now vouch for lunardestiny. he is what he says he is. i now seek a DT. if you are DT, claim to me. | ||
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op says, "? of ? players remaining 2 of 2 Mafia members remaining. Current Mafia KP = 1" do you not reveal deaths? | ||
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if you are dissatisfied with my plan (once you prove DTness), lynch me. | ||
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##vote: no lynch | ||
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my protection is time limited. it was not on LD yet (and LD was told this) because i was going to wait to put it on him until it would affect night cycle, which is what he wanted protection from specifically. yes, he gave me 1 mill in trust to split up with the town if he died. | ||
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perhaps ROL has a redirection ability. this way LD would have to use his kill before gaining "protection" and once he did, he would just be redirected to death anyway. when i was fishing and asked what type of role ROL had, he said "protection... or a form of it." if his item was the vest as he proclaimed, he shouldnt have said "... or a form of it." since "protection" would have been perfectly sufficient. but what is redirection? yeah, a sort of form of protection, yeah. i am essentially permanently protected. if you want to use your kills on me, go ahead. is there really going to be a red role that essentially reads "you cannot die?" once you try to kill me (repeatedly if you must) and see that i do not die, maybe then my blueness will be evident. in fact, i am currently unlynchable as well. or you could go the faster and easier route and just hit ROL for 1. knowing my plan and 2. destroying it, then taking what he knew to scapegoat. ##vote: ROL | ||
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i think you have a redirection ability (actually, your 2nd mafia probably has it). you knew he would never get the vest since he would only get it once he shot, and when he shot, it would be too late. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Session Start: Sat Jan 08 23:13:39 2011 Session Ident: #brimstone 03[23:13:39] * Now talking in #brimstone 03[23:13:40] * Retrieving #brimstone modes... 03[23:13:43] * Annul sets mode: +s 03[23:16:37] * LunarDestiny (webchat@college9-22-68.resnet.ucsc.edu) has joined #brimstone [23:18:41] <LunarDestiny> test test 00[23:19:32] <@Annul> hi 00[23:19:32] <@Annul> ok 00[23:19:35] <@Annul> it works [23:19:56] <LunarDestiny> yes 00[23:20:03] <@Annul> ok so basically 00[23:20:22] <@Annul> if the plan works as i see it 00[23:20:25] <@Annul> you will never die. [23:20:43] <LunarDestiny> that is vague. 00[23:20:49] <@Annul> what is vague about it [23:21:04] <LunarDestiny> let me ask something simple: Night 1, mafia use KP on me. Will I die? 00[23:21:14] <@Annul> if i intervene 00[23:21:14] <@Annul> no 00[23:22:08] <@Annul> that help? [23:22:15] <LunarDestiny> Do I know if I get hit? 00[23:22:19] <@Annul> i would imagine [23:23:16] <LunarDestiny> But if the protection is one of your ability, I won't be notify of the hit. 00[23:23:33] <@Annul> based on what my abilit(ies) (is/are) [23:23:41] <LunarDestiny> I need to make sure that you are not mafia and just choosing not to hit me 00[23:23:42] <@Annul> i would think you would know. 00[23:23:54] <@Annul> you will get the name of my ability under the contract 00[23:24:03] <@Annul> it should be obvious 00[23:24:35] <@Annul> basically i am more powerful than you, but i see an immediate victory if you are what you say you are AND if a DT comes out 00[23:24:46] <@Annul> so i figure lets go for it 00[23:25:00] <@Annul> once i see what your thing actually is, the full text, so i know theres no trickery 00[23:25:08] <@Annul> ill tell you all i know. 00[23:25:30] <@Annul> of course, i cant put that in the contract because if i am unsatisfied with your ability, or there is something there that the full text reveals that makes me question things, i wont 00[23:25:35] <@Annul> but really, you will know my ability name 00[23:25:41] <@Annul> it will be clear what i can do, in general 00[23:26:01] <@Annul> if im happy with you, ill just tell you what i do in full because id believe your blueness 00[23:26:17] <@Annul> thats why i wrote the K like that 00[23:26:29] <@Annul> you told me you would give me the 1 mil if i can give you 2+ lives 00[23:26:33] <@Annul> i am telling you i can give you 2+ lives. 00[23:26:57] <@Annul> thoughts? [23:28:57] <LunarDestiny> if you are that sure that this plan will work, I will believe you since I just don't want to die by mafia night kill on night 1. [23:29:43] <LunarDestiny> Please send me another propose contract. I'll answer monkey's post while you do it. 00[23:30:33] <@Annul> what do you dislike about my first proposed? 00[23:30:49] <@Annul> other than the "dont give me all the money" part, and the DT part i guess 00[23:31:10] <@Annul> i dont like removing the DT part to prove towniness, because i know i cant day kill to prove town 00[23:31:21] <@Annul> so i will never get access to it 00[23:31:57] <@Annul> i wrote the DT claim in there to trap you, basically. if you want to "confirm" town by the other red (if you are red) claiming DT, then we have both of you out in the open lying 00[23:32:05] <@Annul> if one thread comes loose, pull and GG 00[23:32:16] <@Annul> thats why thats in there 00[23:38:44] <@Annul> ? [23:38:57] <LunarDestiny> how about this: I striaght out give you the 1mil [23:39:10] <LunarDestiny> if I die that 1 mil will be given to town 00[23:39:49] <@Annul> put the 1 mill in an escrow account that only i can use 00[23:40:02] <@Annul> if you die, the escrow account is liquidated evenly to the remaining players 00[23:40:27] <@Annul> is that good? [23:45:13] <LunarDestiny> ok. But I will say to town that if I die, you will be lynched. So if you are protown, you must be sure that you must promise me that "2+lives [23:45:31] <LunarDestiny> are you really sure that I won't die? 00[23:45:32] <@Annul> yes, you have that. 00[23:45:53] <@Annul> i am sure you will not die. 00[23:46:21] <@Annul> new K text sent for your approval 00[23:50:01] <@Annul> y/n [23:51:14] <LunarDestiny> y 00[23:51:54] <@Annul> k 00[23:51:56] <@Annul> will submit to LSB 00[23:52:23] <@Annul> done 00[23:52:39] <@Annul> you need to submit it as well, of course Session Time: Sun Jan 09 00:00:00 2011 00[00:00:10] <@Annul> let me know what happens 00[00:02:54] <@Annul> LSB approved it 00[00:03:01] <@Annul> but he didnt tell me your info 00[00:03:07] <@Annul> i think he expects you to do it yourself 00[00:03:10] <@Annul> asking him [00:07:37] <LunarDestiny> just pmed him, waiting for reply 00[00:08:18] <@Annul> as did i 00[00:13:31] <@Annul> he says i need to get it from you [00:14:47] <LunarDestiny> Change the contract to something like me quoting my unmodify mod pm 00[00:15:18] <@Annul> k, send to LSB the following: [00:15:21] <LunarDestiny> you quoting the first part of your pm saying your ability name 00[00:15:40] <@Annul> ill PM you 00[00:15:42] <@Annul> sec [00:16:00] <LunarDestiny> Or else the person violate the rule get modkilled instantly. [00:16:11] <LunarDestiny> If person is mafia, mafia lose instantly 00[00:17:26] <@Annul> LSB is saying to me 00[00:17:36] <@Annul> he cant confirm your role PM to me even if i send him what you send me 00[00:17:37] <@Annul> ;\ 00[00:17:57] <@Annul> he says 00[00:18:08] <@Annul> quote me your full ability, and then if i find something in it that is a breach, i can use that 00[00:18:17] <@Annul> but i cant just send him the thing immediately for verification 00[00:18:29] <@Annul> so the K as written is the best we can do 00[00:18:41] <@Annul> PM me your full text, i guess. ;\ [00:19:27] <LunarDestiny> But how would I convince you my ability even if I do quote it in its entirety 00[00:19:56] <@Annul> you dont need to do that 00[00:20:01] <@Annul> the K just says to quote the full text 00[00:20:25] <@Annul> you dont need to do anything beyond that 00[00:20:39] <@Annul> soon as you do, and i read it, ill start doing what i gotta do to save you [00:22:09] <LunarDestiny> i'll bet on the fact that LSB is not screwing with town. [00:22:22] <LunarDestiny> If town lose because of this... 00[00:22:46] <@Annul> as long as you are town 00[00:22:48] <@Annul> we will win [00:23:36] <LunarDestiny> I was going to ask you this after the contract. [00:24:04] <LunarDestiny> Are you protected as well? You don't have to answer me this if you don't want to [00:24:25] <LunarDestiny> Should I encourage mafia to hit you or not 00[00:24:31] <@Annul> hm [00:24:37] <LunarDestiny> think before answering 00[00:25:01] <@Annul> let me see your full text first and let me fulfill my part of the K [00:25:02] <LunarDestiny> or don't answer me now 00[00:25:05] <@Annul> and then we can discuss that 00[00:26:42] <@Annul> ok 00[00:27:22] <@Annul> ok 00[00:28:48] <@Annul> i just PMed you 00[00:28:53] <@Annul> the name of my ability is (edited out) 00[00:30:02] <@Annul> alright 00[00:30:04] <@Annul> i have an idea 00[00:31:51] <@Annul> we K to put your tommy gun into a trust that you and i have access to and that requires you and i to both agree to use it. the trust automatically fails 5 minutes after creation, with the residue going entirely to you. 00[00:32:09] <@Annul> i can K the same thing with my defense contact 00[00:32:19] <@Annul> this way we both prove they exist. 00[00:32:35] <@Annul> (and i cant use your gun, etc; you cant use my contact either) 00[00:32:39] <@Annul> just to prove existence [00:36:20] <LunarDestiny> pm me the contract 00[00:39:19] <@Annul> sent 00[00:41:03] <@Annul> y/n [00:41:44] <LunarDestiny> y 00[00:42:27] <@Annul> k, sending to LSB 00[00:57:25] <@Annul> ok 00[00:57:28] <@Annul> i believe you. 00[00:57:39] <@Annul> what i can do is the following: (obviously going to cut the logs off here) then, later, 03[03:40:02] * LunarDestiny (webchat@college9-22-68.resnet.ucsc.edu) has joined #brimstone [03:40:09] <LunarDestiny> test 00[03:42:21] <@Annul> hi 00[03:42:28] <@Annul> ROL says he sent you an item 00[03:42:30] <@Annul> confirm? [03:42:54] <LunarDestiny> we made a contract but it is not confirmed 00[03:43:25] <@Annul> do you believe him 00[03:43:29] <@Annul> he claims to have sent me 1 mill [03:44:00] <LunarDestiny> hmm... 00[03:45:18] <@Annul> of course we wont know for sure 00[03:45:21] <@Annul> until LSB wakes up [03:45:25] <LunarDestiny> it's not that i don't believe him, but it is really stupid for mafia to give up everything [03:46:16] <LunarDestiny> i'll put him after (edited out) on my not to shoot list so LD, who flipped town, SAW my entire ability, knew what i could do, and believed in my towniness. maybe that helps a bit. | ||
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On January 10 2011 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Because it would be stupid to kill him. If I was mafia I would of done EXACTLY what you did. I do what I can to CONTROL the town's KP. IE: messaging him, exactly what you did. If you can influence the town KP and make sure it doesn't hit red you are essentially doubling your KP as mafia. If you have a protection ability you can use that to influence him and believe you are town aligned and on top of that you can just NOT protect him whenever you see him as a threat then kill him. The problem came when you KNEW he was going to get a BPV. That meant you couldn't guarantee he would die when you wanted him to die which is very risky if he starts getting suspicious of you. You would basically be facing a town aligned serial killer which is scary as fuck. this is ridiculously WIFOM. i knew, based on the logs i just pasted above, that your plan was fishy to begin with. in a game where EVERY OTHER MEMBER must die, there needs to be some restriction to no-death items/abilities. if he could literally never die, the game is de facto imbalanced since that team can never lose. instead, i can also say that you knew you could make this argument when you used your ability on LD, given the information you knew. WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM i have always made the point to say i am "essentially" unkillable -- there are ways around it, of course. obviously i wont say what these ways are. but your ability, as you claimed, is unbeatable and would render the entire game moot. | ||
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On January 10 2011 04:48 annul wrote: LSB: if a player were to have an ability that once activated, passively save's a person's life from death; would that player 1. be told that the ability was activated (prior to death), and 2. that, once a kill was attempted, that the ability saved that player? need answer to this | ||
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the role i would have played will not be revealed, since it could still have late game relevance down the line | ||
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there are 6 players left. it is clear mafia will want to kill me with a lynch. LSB just essentially confirmed (at least some elements of) my role. 2 will be on me. this means the first nonmafia to vote me will likely be the thing that loses the game for town. we only have 6 players now. be very careful with this decision | ||
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"you knew you could argue that i knew i could do X..." etc. | ||
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he is distorting words and attempting to pull the wool over people's heads. | ||
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i can PROVE, 100% of the time, that i am what i say i am EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who wishes to see the abilities i have, what they are and can do, etc, can see it. i will contract with every player in this game to do the following i will agree to create a trust entitled "annul proves his abilities to (your name)", to which i will transfer "all my items and money." both myself and (your name) will be joint trustees, and neither player will be able to use the items or money in the trust without the consent of the other. annul may revoke the trust at any time." i will then consent to allow you to use your money to protect yourself. when you send in the command to LSB to "buy protection for yourself using the defense contact" (my item's name), when the money is deducted from your account and the protection is granted, you will see what the contact does: 48 hours of +1 life for 200000 kronos. unlimited usage as long as you have the money. because the contract is worded in a way where i give ALL my money and items to the trust, there is no room for manipulation - you will see ALL that i have (which is only the contact/money). i cant hold anything back the way the K is written. you will see it, you will have access to my protection, and with your own money, you will buy yourself 48 hours of an extra life. every single player who wishes to do this will get the chance to do so by me. AIM me at annulvapore for quicker contact, or PM me. | ||
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i can PROVE to you that i am a medic. prove it. I CAN PROVE I AM A MEDIC. i am willing to allow every player get protection every single night phase. there will be no standard mafia kills for the entire game. not one. i will perform the same contract with every living player during the night phase provided i am alive. every single player will be able to buy an extra life for 200k for 48 hours however many times they want. like i really dont know how much more pro-town a player needs to be than to promise five extra lives to players whenever they want them -- and be able to deliver. | ||
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THINK, town. specifically, think monkey and think nemesis. whichever one of you is not the second red, THINK really hard about what i am promising the town. | ||
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On January 10 2011 17:01 annul wrote: THINK, town. specifically, think monkey and think nemesis. whichever one of you is not the second red, THINK really hard about what i am promising the town. one of you needs to revote off of me, otherwise i AM dead with 3 votes and being the first to reach 3, even if node and kav hit ROL with me in the future. | ||
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LSB CAN confirm the presence of all ITEMS in one's possession. so, again, i ask does anyone in this game have an ability that is not powered by an item? if anyone wishes to claim this, i have a way to prove it 100% as well. you prove all your items using the K trick i discussed above, and then you write a second K saying "agree to use an ability other than the ones derived from (item A/B/C/whatever). failure to do so within 5 minutes of contract execution will result in an immediate modkill." so they then prove it, or they die. pretty easy to do. but with all of the above being said, and with all of the contract tricks involved to verify claims, there is one very very critical point you continue to overlook. I AM PROMISING MEDIC PROTECTION TO EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THIS GAME. every single non-voting death can be prevented. every single one. since there will be 5 players left once the voting finishes, and mafia only has 1 night kill, EVERY single possible night kill can be prevented in this game. with 1 mill to use, there is enough money to save players 5 times. and i will allow every player to use my item to do this. | ||
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On January 10 2011 17:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I DO NOT BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT YOUR POWER IS LIMITED TO JUST PROTECTS. before i go, i do have to say this: is there a single player in the game with more than one type of item (that you can do more than 1 thing with?) if there is i do not concede this point, but i would be curious to see if anyone even does of the four roles i know, they all just have one ability. | ||
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I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME what is not clear about this? "From what I understand about your power it doesn't require you to live to work." yes it does. | ||
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On January 10 2011 19:49 Nemesis wrote: He is lynching RoL because "perhaps" he has a redirection ability, and "form of protection" as meaning it cannot be a BPV. at this point it has nothing to do with that it has to do with his blindness and refusal to respond directly to my counterarguments. it has to do with the form of his attack. it has to do with how i know ROL plays and i am 100% certain of his mafia status. kav is wrong: we are not both town. | ||
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ROL is mafia. period. i will forever quit TL mafia if he is not actually mafia. | ||
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why the town is entirely reluctant to allow me to win the game right here and now is PITIFUL. if you are so sure of my status, give me a day to prove myself. ROL has not responded to multiple arguments and claims. he has distorted my words and he is predicating his _entire_ attack on the fact that LD died ... during a period of HIS construction. i did not initiate his "HEY I GOT A VEST OMFG LD IS NOW DEAD ANNUL IS MAFIA" thing. it is an act entirely from his own construction. it was forced. i am his chosen scapegoat. and i am an OP medic. | ||
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ROL, i am having tremendous difficulty choosing your second partner. i think it is nemesis, but for some reason i have had tinges of doubt of kav for a while. its sad, because i want to trust him, but his analysis of the situation looks a lot like overzealous positioning for when i pop town as a way to initiate his defense of you. but nemesis is being blatantly dumb about it, node is 100% inactive despite his initial crap of "HEY im all for killing annul" and monkey makes one post with similar sketch logic against me as well. so i am pretty much stuck. the point i guess is to look hard for the second red, in everyone. when i go, there are 5 remaining. i will be spending all of my money protecting everybody prior to my death, so no mafia should be able to get a kill through tonight. it will be 3-2. the town NEEDS to be unified tomorrow and it NEEDS to pick off a mafia. do NOT go with a third bandwagon. do not vote three people. vote for one target. or a second target. but the voting tomorrow needs to be 5-0 4-1 or 3-2. period. this game does not end with my death. | ||
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this is the main idea of my case against ROL. in THIS, right here and now, we have a pristine, clear example of what ROL has been doing and continues to do: take my words, distort them to his position, and attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the town. my power is to spend money to give people extra lives. of course if im about to die, im going to blow my entire load on saving people, because who the fuck wouldn't do that? this is a team game, not a FFA. as horrible as it is to lose the medic, i need to give the team the best chance at winning in the end, because a win for town is still a win for me, even if i am dead. but you use this as a negative point against me? you are smarter than this. | ||
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if you have an offensive KP ability, you need to use it on one of them. be aware ROL claims he has a bulletproof vest. this may nullify a KP power of some sort. node also now has over 1.75 million kronos AND the medic in his possession. he can shield you. you need to use the money if you have a KP requiring money and you need to take one of the two reds down. you will live the night, its 2-2 now. AS SOON AS DAY PHASE POPS, YOU AND NODE NEED TO CAST A VOTE ON ROL OR KAV IMMEDIATELY. the first to two will be lynched, so this game comes down 100% to whose computer is faster. this is ridic unfair, but hey. | ||
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neither kav nor ROL have protection shields from me on them. blow them up. | ||
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every single thing i called ROL out on was correct. EVERY SINGLE THING. | ||
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i did that on my own volition. i was going to give my medic to kav, but i sensed he was going to betray me a while before he actually did, so i had to pick between chip and node. i chose the one who was voting ROL. node had no idea what i was gonna do until about an hour ago. | ||
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in fact LSB you saw my contingency contract before kav even flipped vote | ||
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your logic to me was "ROL would be pissed if i voted him, he has been my mentor and he was very angry id vote for him, i dont want him quitting TL mafia" absolutely atrocious. | ||
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i would like to see your rationale, i really would. why did you choose me as more scummy than he, when i was claiming medic and could prove it? | ||
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i love the ability to create trusts, but in fairness it may be OP. with trusts you can literally do almost anything with your items and manipulate ownership. although theres probably always a way to do this with contracts anyway (writing in modkill provisions for use/failure to return item, etc) | ||
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i was wrong. * qualifying personal statement designed to mitigate what is otherwise a blatant nerdrage | ||
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you drop walls of text and call it "beating me" -- at the end of the day, the reason you won is because this town was very, very dumb. pure and simple. you may be way too arrogant to realize that this victory is not your doing, but the failure of town to recognize simple strategy | ||
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quote this directly, please. i asked for this in the game and i ask for it now. | ||
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United States2841 Posts
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