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orgolove
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I hardly think the sudden bandwagon against Pandain less than an hour after the game started was appropriate. | ||
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On December 28 2010 11:42 LSB wrote: Let's refocus on inactives. There are two lurkers/inactives that have voted so far. 6. TheMango- I consider him a lurker as he hasn't offered insight on anything. 30. ~OpZ~- Hasn't done much in thread. He has PMed me, but I don't know if he is actually active. If why/Brocket/GeorgeClooney gets around to voting/posting, we could switch the lynch. But currently we should push to lynch the people who actually aren't in danger of being modkilled. People probably with say that I have a conflict of interest with TheMango since he voted for me. So I'm find with voting off ~OpZ~ I hardly feel that focusing on inactives, especially on Day 1, is a good idea at this point. I highly doubt mafia will be inactive on day 1, exactly to deflect the kind of suspicions you are raising. It's much more likely, probability wise, for there to be mafia among the people who already posted, compared to the inactives. hell, I know I'd be more inclined to post and make time during the holidays if I was red 0.0 I'm getting really suspicious of the people who keep trying to refocus the town on lynching inactives instead of HUNTING REDS. i.e. why, LSB, ilovejonn. I'm especially looking at LSB right now, given his past track record and his current behavioral patterns. | ||
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 I failed terribly. Sorry LSB. | ||
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On December 31 2010 12:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: roar ......? This contributes to the thread? | ||
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We need the double lynch. | ||
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On January 01 2011 00:56 Jackal58 wrote: Orgolove and annul - What possible purpose does a double lynch serve at this juncture? I can understand why red would want a double lynch on day two but it makes no sense for town to push for a double lynch today. ... serious? On December 31 2010 06:04 LunarDestiny wrote: The double lynch is for day3. It will be helpful when dt a checked a mafia and we have an extra lynch to be used for another suspects. We have 2 double lynch total in the game. As the game continues, we will get more information on who to lynch. But we are too many losing experience players too soon. Mafia will have an easier time to defer lynch when we have an inactive, indecisive town. On December 31 2010 14:42 orgolove wrote: And don't make the mistake of... I think it was XXXIV or something like that, where town only used one. With a game where mafia has this many KP, town needs to use the double lynch - The longer we wait the larger the breath of the reds will be. We need the double lynch. | ||
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orgolove
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On January 01 2011 06:40 Pandain wrote: orgolove-scum + Show Spoiler + See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179009¤tpage=40#799. NOw, orgolove has NEVER been this inactive, and is always super spammy/agressive. Even if its the holidays he should've at least by now made at least one good post. He's doing what I did in kingmaker mafia, just total lurker. Really now. I have obligations other than lurking in an online forum game thread during the first day of the year, you see. Do note that I've pointed out obvious scum tells in a way that did not drown out my point in a tsunami of spammy posts like what you've done in this thread. | ||
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On January 01 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote: Also, the holidays have been going on for a while, but you haven't been able to make one good post yet. O rly? On December 31 2010 14:42 orgolove wrote: And don't make the mistake of... I think it was XXXIV or something like that, where town only used one. With a game where mafia has this many KP, town needs to use the double lynch - The longer we wait the larger the breath of the reds will be. We need the double lynch. vs On December 30 2010 02:15 Pandain wrote: For the love of God I don't mean to only make a one liner but its Pandain, not Pandrain,Paindrain, or Paindan. On December 29 2010 14:17 Pandain wrote: LOL wtf Anyway i just played an hour long game O.O Spam spam spam spam All you've done this game is a) lead the bandwagon against LSB, directly causing the death of a veteran, and then diverting the town's attention to getting perceived "inactives" instead of actual scumhunting - a classic red tactic. Time and again I point this out - scum hunting will do you far more good than looking at activity frequency patterns. After all, in games like these reds will have more invested in the game, and thus will be more likely to be active through a busy holiday season. | ||
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On January 01 2011 10:25 Pandain wrote: Also everyone should get on IRC ##bamboo palace so I can talk to people faster -.- Wow. Opening an IRC channel in the main thread free for all the reds to view - really a great idea lol... | ||
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On January 01 2011 13:20 DarthThienAn wrote: ? You serious? It's exactly the same as the main thread, except the "posts" will be shorter, and more frequent. Why are you against discussion? ? You Serious? Exactly the same, huh. With confirmed username, 100% uneditable log, and no chance a red can sneak in without town's notice. Huh. I see. I wonder then why town circles go through the trouble of keeping an IP log with each ID upon logging on. Hmmm... | ||
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orgolove
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There's a reason why every mafia host strongly discouraged any player from taking a public IRC seriously whenever it popped up: On October 13 2010 12:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: As a rule going forward: There is to be NO discussion of that irc channel in this thread. It is far too easy to pretend to be someone else and make a fake roleclaim. If you're going to roleclaim or make any serious attempt at discussion, do it in this thread. Because you can not confirm you are who you say you are in a general IRC I seriously recommend you take nothing said in there seriously. It's a nice place to spam, mess about, and NOTHING else. Relevant game discussion belongs in the game thread. Anyone who pretends to be me in the IRC chat will be modkilled and I will suggest you for a permanent ban from all TL mafia games. That includes smurfing under my name. There will be no exceptions to this rule. I'm honestly surprised flamewheel is letting this go btw. Amazed. | ||
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Oh btw, re: host impersonation, youngminii (a red) used the DoctorHelvetica chat handle within the public IRC channel that was setup by the townies in Haunted Mafia. | ||
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Sheesh guys. Just because I haven't been active as much as I was before, does that suddenly bring me towards being a red? How many lynches do you have to waste before the town stops sheeping along with Pandain's analysis, the first day of which already caused us to lose one blue? Just about the only "argument" pandain gave forth is that I haven't been as active this game. What, a man can't spend some time outside of an internet forum game thread during the new years? lol... On January 02 2011 03:49 d3_crescentia wrote: I would add that Orgolove hasn't really done much besides squirm or angrily retaliate when pressured in "all my 13 posts" more than half was pointing out obvious scum tells and the idiocy of joining and using the IRC channel. I think that's been much more beneficial than Pandain's superficial analysis that lost us one blue, and is in danger of losing another right now. Sigh. If my death is what it takes for the town to stop uselessly focusing on inactives, and start to actually scumhunt - I already see RoL and annul as top targets - then I'll gladly take it. Better me than a more important blue. Once I flip, I strongly encourage you to take a look at those two. And Pandain as well - this would be the second time in a row of wasting the town's lynch. Wonder how much longer it'll take the town to realize that we need to stop listening to his spam and think for ourselves. | ||
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----------------------------------------- Original Message From Mr.Zergling: Would you care to respond to GGQ's Analysis of you? I would think a real red wouldn't have cared enough about getting a non-red lynched so much that he would personally PM me to ask me to defend myself. I doubt he's red... | ||
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I'm also highly suspicious of Meapak. He switched his votes away from annul after initially voting for him as soon as the vote total began to seem extremely close. Also: ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Hey did you just claim a blue role? lol. | ||
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shame. Then the hit sequence could've been: 2 hits from reds - to RoL 1 hit from a vigilante, possibly ~OpZ~ - to Node The only concern then, regarding the vig hit, is that the hit on Node follows mafia's patterns on hitting experienced players. is ~OpZ~ really town aligned? Did he actually hit RoL (unlike what he claimed, "hitting an inactive"), and the mafia hit both RoL and Node? ~OpZ~, can you explain who you hit? | ||
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First, Meapak is almost 100% scum considering his voting patterns around annul. Hmm - as I mentioned, MrZergling wanted me to respond to GGQ's analysis through a PM. I don't think a mafia would have the initiative - a red would just want me to quietly roll over. So no, I don't think he's it. Shockeyy and GeorgeClooney, hardcore lurkers - we don't have much to go on. Looking at the voting patterns: Shockeyy: Day 1 - voted for himself. Day 2 - Voted for Pandain. Day 3 - voted for Barundar/Pandain. Pretty suspicious, given how he's tried to hide information in day 1 then voted for two most probable townies. GeorgeClooney: Day 1 - voted for himself. Day 2 - voted for tree.hugger, who had voted him Day 3 - Hasn't voted yet What I'm saying is, both these guys had votes that were basically wasted, but were never pressured. As an aside, looking at tree.hugger: Day 1 - Pandain Day 2 - GeorgeClooney, then changed to Pandain day 3 - Changed to Meapak_Ziph and DarthIenAn Doesn't seem too suspicious to me. DarthIenAn: Day 1 - can't find his vote Day 2 - voted for me, never changed his vote Day 3 - No vote Hmm... I don't know. Maybe he's become discouraged during day 3 because of mounting votes and just gave up? Maybe he's one of the inactive mafias Node was mad at? Btw, pandain is definitely a blue, since among annul's last few emotionally charged posts, there's this gem: On January 02 2011 12:00 annul wrote: expect a concession soon. i could have sat back and let the wagon roll on pandain so easily, but oh well And um. Have we had any dt town confirmations that were revealed? Anyone? | ||
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orgolove
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1. ~OpZ~, did you explain your vig hit? What happened and why did a vet die? Did you hit RoL as well or what? 2. Meapak - if you continue to claim green, can you explain why you changed your vote from annul when his vote got close with my total during day 2? And according to a bird, you had gone to IRC and scolded people for voting on annul. What's with that? | ||
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And do we even have medics? We got absolutely no medic saves. The hell? | ||
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On January 07 2011 05:43 Pandain wrote: Okay hi I'm back. First off I have some bad news. I'm going to a model UN conference and won't be back until Sunday around 5PM. So until then I can't help you scum hunt. However, there are a couple things I want to comment on/note/talk about. Good. Town can stop sheeping to your fake DT claim and actually learn to think for themselves. On January 07 2011 05:43 Pandain wrote: First off I was roleblocked again. My ass. Your only "check" you've revealed was that DrH was green. AFTER he was killed. Good job. And surprise surprise, for two days in a row, the reds never even came close to hitting you, despite your early claim as DT - aka highest priority target. Hmmmm. On January 07 2011 05:43 Pandain wrote: This indicates to me that mafia will probably keep on doing this because: 1)They know I'm DT, and this will be a succeful roleblock 2.)They might try to cast doubt on my role as DT Sure. Just like they blocked you on day 2 and day 3, and you never claimed to be roleblocked on day 2. Right. On January 07 2011 05:43 Pandain wrote: But I still have good fashioned scum hunting, so I'm going to leave you with a bit of my thoughts. Let's take a look at the player list: 3. SeRapH 5. Brocket 6. TheMango 7. Mr.Zergling 8. why 9. Jackal58 11. 15. ShoCkeyy 17. ilovejonn 18. Insanious 19. Orgolove 24. d3_crescentia 29. Given that mafia KP went down after 2 died, and the fact that most likely there were 6/7(likely 6, 7 seems too big) mafia in the start, the formula for mafia kp is most likely # of mafia/2. So now there are probably either 4/5(likely 4) mafia remaining. I figure one of the best things I can do to help figure out who's still suspicious is to seperate the pro town from the rest. First off, who's pro town in my eyes: Me:  Opz:Confirmed Mr. Wiggles: Posts long posts when he does, good content in them Barundar: Has been with me in a while, good reads from him on irc. In addition contributing to discussion. Insanious: Like Barundar, except not in constant contact with me. Still, very pro town in my eyes. Why: Doesn't post much, but those posts are long when he does. People who I feel are likely town, but less sure of: Jackal58 The Mango Shockeyy People Who I don't know: Soulfire- seriously need to post more Tree hugger-posts long, but hardly posts People who I think are mafia but unsure D3-hardly posts except when pressured. Seraph-RoL's main suspect, this guy has been pretty suspicious. Aside from an analysis about Soulfire, Seraph hasn't really contributed that much. People I think are mafia IloveJonn-from weak thoughts to excuses for not analyzing, from making contradictions like saying we shouldn't just follow what other people think and then vote someone based on what someone else said, for weak vote reasons, this guy is suspicious. Orgolove-Come on, it really can't still be considered "the holidays." Mr Zergling Has been playing really scummy. For example, said in beginning we should be lynching inactives and then hasn't voted for an inactive sent. Defended Annul, and did a soft attempt at keeping the bandwagon on Orgolove. Right now really the only thing saving him is that he's playing similar to his last game as town. How nice of you to put your thoughts in your list. Now we know who NOT to lynch. Hint: you contributed to four lynches so far, and you hit 2 blue and 2 green out of it. The only lynch you tried to dissuade people from - annul - we actually hit a red. Coincidence? I think not. And "holidays" my ass. I've been having positive contributions to town way more than your "analysis." You apologize about how you're going to be inactive the next few days, then claim I don't post enough? Riiight. On January 07 2011 05:43 Pandain wrote: Finally, remember everyone should claim to Opz. He is confirmed, 100%. Let me repeat that. Him being vigi is the ONLY POSSIBLE way for three kills to have happened that night. The sole remaining DT, you are the most important person right now. The people who you have found green are confirmed without a shadow of a doubt. The people who are found red you should tell Opz and then he will say so in thread so you remain safe. Medics need to claim so more coordination. Hatters need to claim for more coordination. There is no reason for anyone not to claim to Opz. Yeah right. If ~OpZ~ indeed was a town-aligned , then why did he hit RoL, of all people, instead of an inactive, as he originally claimed? Even if he's town-aligned, I can't trust him to be smart enough to coordinate the remaining blues to the town's benefit. You. Need. To. Stop. Talking. Your "good-old fashioned scumhunting" killed four townies, two of them blue, and led us to waste our double lynch. Your open IRC idea was shit. Utterly shit. All it did was give scum even more tools to manipulate the votes and opinions of the town. Care to hurt us any more? If, as you claim, the mafia's going to perma roleblock you, then you no longer have any value to us. So quit talking. -------------- And town, we need the double lynch again. We may have been unlucky the last time, but the reds can't possibly sneak their way out of it two times in a row. And the double lynch is our last tool remaining. | ||
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And yet you guys just follow pandain's lead. How many more do we have to kill before you ignore his posts. -_- My god. I can just see us loinsg the game even after getting the godfather in the second day. | ||
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On January 08 2011 04:37 seRapH wrote: I suppose I should still post to not get modkilled. Would a red really post something like this? -_- Sounds more like a townie being resigned. | ||
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orgolove
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On January 08 2011 08:16 ShoCkeyy wrote: You don't get the point of this game... Reds to make themselves non noticable of course they can post like this... Lol. You don't get the point of this, do you. Even at this point, when we're so close the lynch, we've seen not a single counter bandwagon, nor a single post defending him. Is that not extremely suspicious? We've already seen ~OpZ~ make a mistake in hitting LSB. And we've also seen that following Pandain's lead flatly killed two townies outright, one of them being blue. And yet all the town is just sheeping along with their claims, without a single bit of hard evidence against them. | ||
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On January 08 2011 17:15 Barundar wrote: Most likely 12 v 3 tomorrow. This means we can afford a mislynch, so at this point if it can shut the discussion up we can kill our own unopposed DT claim. It would be completely retarded ofcourse. That Brocket is mafia means the people who switched to him day 1 are most likely town. These are: why, Mr.Zergling, Mr.Wiggles, Soulfire and Jackal58. Orgolove is quickly popping up on my radar again. He was strictly opposing IRC, and so far not one person who has been on there has been mafia. Before annul got lynched, he posted: He is actually the only one questioning the annul lynch. He was one of the driving forces behind getting meapak lynched: But when Meapak was innocent, orgolove posted: Saying we had no choice. Would be nice for a mafia to remove doubts as to his own involvement in the lynch? Let’s not forget who it was that actually did the only attempt of diverting the lynch... Tries to blame Pandain for the Seraph lynch. Handy if you know he isn’t guilty, and want to lynch a DT, right? And afterwards: Well gratz on being right on Seraph, but wrong on annul and Meapak. Just look at how Meapak acted. Right when annul hit the vote mark where his total was even with me, he immediately switched his vote from annul. It was 99% a red who first voted for each other, but then realized they might be the deciding vote so changed it when it became close. The sealing deal was reports by people that mentioned he yelled at people in the stupid IRC to stop voting for annul. Tell me, what else would any of us have thought if you had acted like this? I was 100% certain that he was red. And if I play another mafia game and see someone acting like that again, then I will have no qualms voting him as a red. | ||
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On January 09 2011 13:56 DarthThienAn wrote: List of currently alive players: 6. TheMango 7. Mr.Zergling 8. why 9. Jackal58 11. Barundar 15. ShoCkeyy 17. ilovejonn 19. Orgolove 20. Pandain 24. d3_crescentia 27. Soulfire 29. DarthThienAn 30. ~OpZ~ 13 total, so 10 vs 3 imo - Considering that no blues are dead still, I'd say Opz is pretty confirmed. My mafia list from before still stands (minus dead): pandain, d3, shockeyy, jackal58 havent heard from TheMango in awhile o.o is he still in the game? Do we even have a DT? Now that there's so few left, it would be nice for the dt to message OpZ then, and tell him your results. And no, not you, Pandain. Unless you have a result that turned up red today? | ||
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1. RebirthOfLegend (switched from Insanious) 2. Meapak_Ziphh (switched from Seraph) 3. Barundar 4. Pandain At this point, Meapak changed his vote from annul to seraph 5. d3_crescentia (switched from orgolove) 6. lunardestiny 7. Mr.Wiggles (switched from orgolove) At this point, voting was ending in 3.5 hours, and there were still more votes for me over annul. 8. Mr.Zergling (switched from pandain to mrwiggles to node) 9. Meapak_Ziphh (again) 10. ilovejonn (switched from voting for himself) 11. node (switched from orgolove) voting was ending in 1.5 hours. 12. why (switched from seraph) Considering how close this vote was, we can get a lot of information about who's red and who's not. Especially since node was the godfather - reds would be foolish to have voted from him from the very beginning. Looking at it, first, I think Barundar and Pandain are safely town. I think we should look at the people who switched their votes during the last second, namely Mr.Zergling and ilovejonn. I especially consider Mr.Zergling to be suspicious, given how he switched his votes three times during the course of the day, and only switched to node at the very last second. ... another townie can look at their other voting behaviors and find more evidence. But my vote is on Mr.Zergling. | ||
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DT this game, you are fucking useless. | ||
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6. TheMango LSB Mr.Wiggles Meapak_Ziphh <--Night Vote barundar-->DarThienAn-->GeorgeClooney Seraph DarThienAn 7. Mr.Zergling LSB-->Brocket Pandain-->Mr.Wiggles-->Meapak_Ziphh-->orgolove-->Node TheMango-->DarThienAn-->GeorgeClooney Seraph Shockeyy 8. why ~OpZ~-->Brocket Seraph-->annul Meapak_Ziphh Seraph Seraph soulfire soulfire Mr.Zergling 9. Jackal58 LSB-->TheMango-->Brocket RebirthOfLegenD-->Mr.Zergling-->Orgolove TheMango-->Meapak_Ziphh-->GeorgeClooney DarThienAn Seraph-->Pandain Pandain-->TheMango 15. ShoCkeyy Shockeyy pandain Barundar pandain pandain pandain 17. ilovejonn why-->~OpZ~ ilovejonn-->annul Mr.Zergling Meapak_Ziphh-->Seraph Seraph soulfire 20. Pandain Mr.Wiggles-->jackal58 shockey-->LSB-->d3_crescentia-->LSB orgolove-->annul DarThienAn-->Meapak_Ziphh soulfire-->GeorgeClooney Seraph soulfire-->TheMango-->DarThienAn 24. d3_crescentia d3_crescentia-->said he'd change vote, but never did orgolove-->annul DarThienAn Meapak_Ziphh DarThienAn DarThienAn 27. Soulfire LSB-->Brocket-->LSB Mr.Wiggles GeorgeClooney DarThienAn Seraph pandain ---------------------- Five days of votes give us plenty of data to look for. 1. TheMango is clearly a red. Do I even need to explain this? 0 red votes, night vote on a green before day, 0 red votes, 0 red votes, 0 red votes. Only player with 0 red votes. All his votes have been confirmed green or blue. Need I say any more? 2. Shockeyy and d3_crescentia have been focusing their votes on a single player, and never changed their votes. Given that reds are usually coordinated and would try to set up their votes. so I doubt they're red. 3. MrZergling and Pandain seem more like a townie who can't make up his mind. For these two, look at day two posts, when there was a real danger between me or Node, the godfather. Both of them changed their votes a lot, and eventually settled on Node. I'm not 100% about this, but I think a red would probably try to stack their votes on me early on, and keep it there unless it was very clear that their godfather would die. Since they changed their votes so many times during that pivotal day... I don't think they're red. 4. Going from assumption #1, we can see if TheMango's votes were the default mafia vote they decided during night. The vote record for the two confirmed reds are as below: annul LSB Mr.Wiggles-->Mr.Zergling-->orgolove-->RebirthOfLegenD Brocket LSB insanious insanious-->DarThienAn Jackal58-->Mr.Zergling Tevo Tevo Interesting, isn't it. Ignoring the two inactives (brocket, tevo), TheMango's and Annul's first votes of the first two days match, and so does Soulfire. Comparing TheMango and Soulfire's votes, the first votes of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th days match. And their targets mostly lined up, although soulfire's last vote of Pandain may be due to him just deciding to stop PMing or something. We have our second mafia here. 6. Continuing from above, Mr.Zergling is a green considering how much the reds have tried to lynch him. 7. And finally. I'm green. Since hey. I know what I am. Putting all this together, we have this: 6. TheMango 7. Mr.Zergling 8. why 9. Jackal58 15. ShoCkeyy 17. ilovejonn 19. Orgolove 20. Pandain 24. d3_crescentia 27. Soulfire The alignment of the remaining three will be more easily determined once today's lynch is settled. For now, based on this evidence, I am voting for TheMango soulfire 1. If TheMango is red but soulfire is green, why and ilovejonn are red. 2. If both are red, then it'll be more difficult to tell between the two, but I think why will be the other red since he was so fast in trying to start a bandwagon against Mr.Zergling so early in the day, when he's clearly a green at this point. | ||
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Our plan should be as follows: 1. Lynch TheMango and Soulfire. TheMango is 100% red. Depending on Soulfire's alignment, town's actions in next will be determined. 2a. If Soulfire is green: Lynch why. 2a-1. If why is red, lynch Jackal58. (ilovejonn voted for why as his first vote on day 1) 2a-2. If why is green, jackal58 and ilovejonn are the two remaining mafia. 2b. if soulfire is red: lynch ilovejonn. we win. | ||
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Only player with 0 red votes. All his votes have been confirmed green or blue. Need I say any more? actually, ilovejonn also has 0 red votes, but some of his votes have not yet been confirmed. But every single vote of TheMango has been confirmed green or blue - there's no way out. He's red. Oh, and he voted for a green before day started, and kept his vote on the green. So he knew who he wanted to lynch before the mafia's target was chosen. Lol... I can't believe we missed that. | ||
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On January 12 2011 14:42 orgolove wrote: quintuple post ftw. In closing, DT: if there's anything you can add to what I've gathered, you're welcome to tell us. Surely you have the alignment of at least one of the 13 of us that are remaining? Even a single additional confirmation would make it so much more easier for us to narrow it down. | ||
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On January 12 2011 15:50 ilovejonn wrote: I have zero red votes..? annul? +the other 2 mafias were modkilled, why did I need to waste a vote on them? I also just listened to what the so called "confirmed townies/DTs" have said (yes I thought Pandain was a DT but sometimes I don't understand wtf he's saying) to base votes on. My bad - my mistake in color coding that. Sorry. Anyway, that statement was just to further point out that all of TheMango's votes have so far been shown as for confirmed greens/blues. It wasn't to say you are scummy. On January 12 2011 15:50 ilovejonn wrote: Also, if you firmly believe Mango and Soulfire are reds, I have no problem voting for them, there's really not much to work with and I guess when people decide to lynch me there will be an even better chance to hunt scum since it'll narrow down the players even more. I firmly believe Mango is red. I'm still not 100% clear on Soulfire. But lynching him will give us enough information to form a clear directive on how to proceed from there. | ||
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On January 12 2011 14:42 orgolove wrote: Oh, and he voted for a green before day started, and kept his vote on the green. So he knew who he wanted to lynch before the mafia's target was chosen. Lol... I can't believe we missed that. Meaning, TheMango knew that Meapak won't be killed by the mafia, before the night was over. This is only possible if he's one of the reds. | ||
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You know what? I tried. I really did. What more can I do to convince you? Even in the face of a mountain of evidence, you prefer listening to blind guesses and a village idiot who directly caused us to waste two of our five lynches. Good job. If the evidence I presented won't convince you to vote for TheMango and Soulfire, then there's nothing else that will. | ||
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orgolove
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FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU Fuck this. Until I get a sense that you dumbasses will stop listening to his crap, I'm not playing in any game that accepts Pandain and his faggotry. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
There's 8 people left. Assuming. Somehow. We get a medic save (Despite the medic being unable to save anyone through FIVE FUCKING DAYS, and the DT never revealing ANY useful information.) We still have a chance. It'll be 3v4. We lynch a red. Then it's 2v4. After night kill, it'll be 2v3. Then you lynch a mafia. it'll be 1v3. After night kill it'll be 1v2. Then we can win. That's if we get a mafia for every single lynch from now on. How the FUCK did it come to this, especially when we fucking got the godfather in the second fucking day. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote tally is as below. I'm not including the day 5 votes since I had already revealed that I'm collecting the information before the votes were counted. 6. TheMango LSB Mr.Wiggles Meapak_Ziphh <--Night Vote barundar-->DarThienAn-->GeorgeClooney Seraph DarThienAn 7. Mr.Zergling LSB-->Brocket Pandain-->Mr.Wiggles-->Meapak_Ziphh-->orgolove-->Node TheMango-->DarThienAn-->GeorgeClooney Seraph Shockeyy 8. why ~OpZ~-->Brocket Seraph-->annul Meapak_Ziphh Seraph Seraph soulfire soulfire Mr.Zergling 9. Jackal58 LSB-->TheMango-->Brocket RebirthOfLegenD-->Mr.Zergling-->Orgolove TheMango-->Meapak_Ziphh-->GeorgeClooney DarThienAn Seraph-->Pandain Pandain-->TheMango 15. ShoCkeyy Shockeyy pandain Barundar pandain pandain pandain 20. Pandain Mr.Wiggles-->jackal58 shockey-->LSB-->d3_crescentia-->LSB orgolove-->annul DarThienAn-->Meapak_Ziphh [/green]soulfire[/green]-->GeorgeClooney Seraph soulfire-->TheMango-->DarThienAn 24. d3_crescentia d3_crescentia-->said he'd change vote, but never did orgolove-->annul DarThienAn Meapak_Ziphh DarThienAn DarThienAn ----------------------------------- Again. TheMango stays at the top of my list. And I'm still standing by my list from before. 1. Mr.Zergling is a green based on how much the reds have been trying to lynch him. 2. Shockeyy and d3_crescentia - only voting for one player throughout - highly unlikely that they're red, since they'd follow mafia's directives and would most likely switch their votes throughout each day. 3. and I know I'm green. That leaves below: 6. TheMango 7. Mr.Zergling 8. why 9. Jackal58 15. ShoCkeyy 19. Orgolove 20. Pandain 24. d3_crescentia Among why, jackal58, and Pandain, two are red. I still have a hard time believing Pandain's a red. But if my suppositions about TheMango is true, it's difficult to believe jackal58 is red as well, considering he's had a record of voting for TheMango - and not just as a temporary solution, but consistent across several days. On the other hand, why shoots immediately up my list, given his votes against soulfire, a confirmed green now. My suggestion: 1. Lynch TheMango. 2. Lynch why. Go from there. Of course, I'm not listing any alternatives, since if we mislynch once, the game's over anyway. I'm not saying that my analysis is flawless - but If you have a better idea, then fucking SHOW me instead of blindly following Pandain's idiocy. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On January 14 2011 13:14 TheMango wrote: Lolol... Isnt this game over if no medic save? Or do we still have a chance? Gloating. Obvious. Jesus fucking christ. Do you guys not see the fucking signs?? On January 14 2011 13:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: We can still win if we get the next mafia member out within a lynch. I vote for d3... No. look at d3's day 2 votes. He had switched his vote to annul from me long, long before the votes became even close. In fact, his vote was one of the key votes that really put the heat on him, and eventually caused his demise. A red would NOT have done such a terrible move as to lynch their own godfather. I refuse to believe d3 is a red. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On January 14 2011 14:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: IF YOU ARE TOWN ALIGNED VOTE FOR PANDAIN TOMORROW. ... No. Just look at his votes. No matter how much I fucking HATE that cunt, lyching incorrectly will lose us the game. And we need every single town vote - it'll be 4-3, so one wrong town vote and the mafia can just control the lynch. TheMango is a sure Mafia. Vote for him. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On January 14 2011 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: votes don't matter... I really don't care for votes. Because they can always do things to confuse you either way... Dude. It's not just the votes. It's the mindset that leads to those votes. put yourself in a red's position for a second. Would you vote for your godfather when he's potentially in a close vote with a green? Would you then keep your vote on the godfather when a change of even one vote could stop him from dying? Just because Pandain played like a pathetic dumbass this game and did more harm than good, doesn't mean he's automatically a red. Think about it. If we get blinded by our rage, (and yes, I'm feeling it) we lose the game. But you know what, why the hell am I investing so much here. Looking at how the game went, I'm sure the medic will protect himself again and the DT will waste his check. Again. So we probably won't get to see the next day anyway. Worst. Game. Ever. Never before did I play a game where the DT was so fucking pathetic. public enemy #1: Pandain public enemy #2: the DT, whenever you're revealed. Now that it's night, I'm saying this. If the DT had revealed himself, then I'm 100% sure the reds would have used one of his hits on him. The medic then could have used his protection silently, virtually guaranteeing that we'd see another day. Unless the mafia hit both the medic and the DT at once, we would've been ok. But no. You didn't. You're balls are so shriveled that they're almost nonexistent. I'm so sick of this shit. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
I don't understand this shit. Pandain directly caused the lynch of a blue and three greens. And he's the direct cause of missing a lynch on a 100% clear red, and will most probably lead to town's loss. And yet, you're calling -me- a fool?. On January 14 2011 15:08 Foolishness wrote: I wish that my ego was so tainted that I had to resort to calling people cunts and dumbass just so I can repress the realization that there might be people on the "internet" who are superior in intelligence than me. Lol at your ID. Truly you are role model of superior intellect, Mr. Foolishness. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On January 14 2011 15:31 TheMango wrote: super crazy ranting lunatic the past day Yeah. That's it. I've had enough of TL mafia. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On January 14 2011 15:31 TheMango wrote: super crazy ranting lunatic the past day even to a self proclaimed townie. And you're a mod too. lol. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
On January 14 2011 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Well ok so your ranting and raving for the past several pages has really pissed me off. I count -two- total posts of me "ranting" in the past three pages. The rest were analysis of vote patterns and trying to convince the rest of the town to vote the right people. What, did those two posts hurt your ego so much? On January 14 2011 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:You've fallen so far to use ad hominem attacks and been unable to maintain any appearence of civility. Try harder. "ad hominem" lol, I called Pandain an idiot for being a fucking idiot. A sense of civility does not preclude one from calling a dumbass out for being one. On January 14 2011 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:You've raged at people for sheeping or being afk in both games however you yourself have barely been active and when being called out about being inactive you've flamed those people. Where the -hell- did I flame people for calling me inactive? In the first few pages of this, I clearly explained that I've been busy with holidays and the turn of the year. Once flamewheel pmed me to be more active, I tried to be such. I don't see anywhere I flamed specifically for people calling me inactive, unless the originator was hypocritical. On January 14 2011 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: When you were killed last game you proceded to rage out causing several people to call you out and you promptly flamed them. I made ONE post that game after death. ONE. It was a response to, again, ONE player who called me out, after death, and the primary purpose of that post was to point out that kicking a dead horse is kinda, not fair, since I can't reply to them. Nowhere did I "flame" without reason. On January 14 2011 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: In this game several people have asked you to calm down and you've either ignored them or further flamed them. Rebirth was the only one that asked me to calm me down. And as I wrote above, I spent a total of TWO posts where I flamed pandain for being a dumbass. After that I went right back into the game. Actually read over the page before wasting my time like this. And you say what Fishball and Foolishness did is "calming someone down"? Calling someone a fool is, objectively, a pretty bad way to calm someone down, don't you think? On January 14 2011 15:27 Foolishness wrote: my nice way of telling you to calm down Hell, if that was his nice way of telling someone to calm down, I'd hate to see what his mean way would be. On January 14 2011 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I know that it's up to Qatol to deal with these sort of situations and if he thinks this post is out of line then I'll be more than happy to delete it but I for one will not be signing up for any games you in which you choose to participate in the future. /Rage Every post after my few discussions with Shockeyy has been responses to -other- non-participants in the game who incited this conflict further instead of letting us get back into the discussion of the game itself. If that hurts your ego so much that you post a full on flame with zero content to the game, then I'm sorry for any future players who will play in your games. | ||
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orgolove
Vatican City State1650 Posts
If we survive this night, we have a chance. scenario: 8 people left. it's 5-3. 1 medic save tonight. it's 4-3. we lynch a red. it's 4-2. night, 1 night death. 3-2 day. another red lynch. 3-1. night. 1 kill. 2-1. day. lynch the remaining red. ------ We're so few at this point, the reds can easily stack the vote if the town's votes are distributed. I repeated it over and over. TheMango is red. 1. Just what are the odds that among the ~8 different votes he made (now 10), he wouldn't hit even one red? Not even by luck? Unless he knew exactly who's red and who's town, it'd be impossible. 2. Look at his day 2 vote. He voted for Meapak, before day even started. So a) he knew Meapak wouldn't get killed by the reds before their next kill was revealed. b) he was sure of his lynch target without even looking at who mafia took down. and c) he didn't change his vote after the day broke. I don't know what more I can say about this. 3. On January 14 2011 13:14 TheMango wrote: Lolol... Isnt this game over if no medic save? Or do we still have a chance? Gloating. One of the most common red tells. see:http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=JEEP%27s_Tells_for_Finding_Mafia Gloating (any form of "complaining" about how bad the previous night was, how the doctor/cop was killed, etc.) Similar to "congratulating the doctor". So our first priority, if we ever do survive this night, is TheMango. Next. DT. Please reveal yourself. Even if you have no useful information to give you. At best, the mafia will waste a hit on you, and we'll survive thanks to our medic (assuming he protects you). At worst you will confuse the mafia and hopefully give us an edge in the mind game between us and the mafia on who to target this night. And medic should just protect who you wish - any directive I give will just serve to inform the mafia and give them an advantage in who they choose to kill tonight. | ||
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