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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 03:05:46
December 29 2010 03:01 GMT
#621
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TL Mafia XXXV: Night 1 Start


太阳下山了,晚上快到了。城市里面的人都知道月亮生的时候黑手党就会杀他们,所以他们决定了——要是LSB先被绞死了,那就好很多。

一分钟刽子手在把套索拴在LSB的颈上,狠狠地拉紧。在一分钟过后LSB的命就没有了。



LSB the Veteran has been lynched.



It is now night 1. You have 24 hours to get your actions in. Remember to send a copy to both me and Incognito.

Ver would like to remind you all that the services of Ver, Foolishness, and BloodyC0bbler are there for those of you that need it.
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Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
December 29 2010 03:03 GMT
#622
So LSB fliped blue... here is my current game plan:

1) Vote Paindain because of how he acted when we started to vote for someone that wasn't LSB. This to me seems like the mafia are trying to get a 5th KP by killing LSB a claimed blue who is active. So Paindain looks like the most like a mafia to me.

2) Ignoring Annul for rest of game. He got tunnel vision towards a blue, who even if he was red we shouldn't of voted for right now, we should of voted for in 2 days. He had a bad gut feeling, and ignored when people put forth good reasoning to not follow that gut feeling. Annul is about 99% likely to be a green. So he shouldn't be voted for... just ignored 99% of the time unless he finds something increadibly useful... not likely to happen after this debacle.

- - - -

Also... told you so... Annul listen to me more... I looked at this logically, you were attacking LSB. You were obviously wrong like 15 pages ago.

Brocket and Paindrain... one of them is Red and I assume its Paindrain.
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Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
December 29 2010 03:09 GMT
#623
Also... just saying. We have like 20 pages of thread to go through after day 1... and 99% of it is useless.

Anything by LSB and Annul should be ignored, and those guys have like half the thread in posts.

Anything by me should also be ignored... since I was defending the blue.

Now what does that leave us with? Like maybe 100 posts.

Cut out the welcome spam, and we are down to like 50 posts to look through.

To actually find anything in there to find a Red is not going to happen.

Paindrain needs to be looked at, and he's the only one looking scummy

But guess what... I bet you out of the like 15 lurkers we have, 4 - 5 will be mafia since... oh ya, we don't vote or pressure lurkers.
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Mr.Zergling
Profile Joined December 2010
United States141 Posts
December 29 2010 03:10 GMT
#624
On December 29 2010 12:03 Insanious wrote:
So LSB fliped blue... here is my current game plan:

1) Vote Paindain because of how he acted when we started to vote for someone that wasn't LSB. This to me seems like the mafia are trying to get a 5th KP by killing LSB a claimed blue who is active. So Paindain looks like the most like a mafia to me.

2) Ignoring Annul for rest of game. He got tunnel vision towards a blue, who even if he was red we shouldn't of voted for right now, we should of voted for in 2 days. He had a bad gut feeling, and ignored when people put forth good reasoning to not follow that gut feeling. Annul is about 99% likely to be a green. So he shouldn't be voted for... just ignored 99% of the time unless he finds something increadibly useful... not likely to happen after this debacle.

- - - -

Also... told you so... Annul listen to me more... I looked at this logically, you were attacking LSB. You were obviously wrong like 15 pages ago.

Brocket and Paindrain... one of them is Red and I assume its Paindrain.


On December 29 2010 10:48 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2010 10:31 Insanious wrote:
On December 29 2010 10:24 Barundar wrote:
I understand you want to save yourself, but Brocket is the worst scapegoat you could possibly find. He is as scummy as Kenpachi when posting, and now he is even afk. Voting him is the same as abstaining, and really gets us nowhere.

Between Brocket and LSB, I would much much much rather Brocket dead then LSB... There really isn't another choice now due to time constraints...

Annul brought us to this point, a 1 person bandwaggon is pretty much the worst thing that can happen to the town. 0 analysis can be done concerning votes, mafia can hide where ever they want to when voting for a town...

You need at least 2 candidates every day for voting or it might as well just be a random.org vote.

LSB has a high chance of being a blue, and killing a blue, especially early is terrible.\

Brocket is most likely green or a lurking mafia... and since there have been 4 people comming out of no where to defend Brocket it makes me think Brocket is even more red.


I vehemently disagree. FIrst off, LSB doesn't have a high chance of being blue, he's claimed everything from vigi to dt, and his supposed plan which no one knows what possibly could be he refuses to tell.

Furthormore now your saying that we're forced to either vote brockett or LSB, and previously you had been saying you were voting him because "he played differently."

Plus right now we can find out so much from LSB's flip. I know people usually say not to lynch for information but this is a special scenario. IT's all because LSB has claimed blue, and mafia know that, or that LSB is mafia, and they're trying to swing a bandwagon onto brockett to save him.

If LSB flips red- Great! We caught probably at least 3-4 scum who tried to swing the bandwagon onto Brockett, in addition to information from posting. Furthormore we caught a scum!

IF LSB flips blue LSB is not DT, so we don't have to worry about that. Why?
-Claimed very early to be blue, DT wouldn't have done that being most important role. Would've waited.
-Revealed pms where RoL said LSB might be DT, and hinted strongly because it was the only role that could fit the plan. Why would DT be so reckless, especially when he seemingly doesn't want to claim?


So we don't have to worry about losing a DT. So when, if blue, he would most vigi, then that's not even that bad of a loss. But most importantly mafia would be wanting him dead, since he's blue, and they know it. So people who voted for LSB should be looked upon with suspicion, myself included.

But again I would like to stress people that LSB is 99% not blue, that he is 99% red. And I urge you to read my analysis I made of him, and realize whats happening here.
Vote LSB. Stop the Bandwagon.


mmm This does have me suspicious of Paindain, but would a mafia really be that overt and outspoken about lynching a blue, or would they try and lay low so they are not associated with the impending mess when the target flips blue? Now though, we can look at all previous analysis in a new light
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TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
December 29 2010 03:13 GMT
#625
lol, that sucks. I wasn't even aware until now that roles were revealed when people died. I'm used to IRL mafia, where that was kept secret. Knowing now that LSB was not mafia, and how quickly paindain PM'ed me to NOT switch my vote to brocket, I'd say chances are good that both are mafia. Paindain also has been very active in fishing for information via PM from a lot of people it seems, which people have mentioned previously is a scum like behavior.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 29 2010 03:22 GMT
#626
so pandain is scum because he was wrong? that is a very stupid idea.
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Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
December 29 2010 03:23 GMT
#627
@Mr.Zergling

There is nothing to analyze... this is what I wanted to say...

Analysis of Voting:
- None, mafia can be hiding anywhere. People voting LSB are most likely town, people voting Brocket are most likely town

Analysis of Thread: Since Me, Annul, and LSB make up 33% of the total posts in this thread...

Of the rest of the posts... there are like 60 posts by lurkers (1 - 4 posts each)
Then there are like 20 posts by coagulation that was replaced
Then there are like 100 posts before the game started...

So this leaves us with like maybe 200 posts to go through since page 1...

What did I tell you about voting Annul, bad idea, worst idea. Better to vote a random...

Why?

because of this situation, we are down a blue, we have 0 analysis to go through... I mean hell... the two people that were trying to kill people (me and annul) are town.

So ya... the only other people that talked about anything were

RoL
Paindrain

so ya... RoL = replacement, super exerienced, and doesn't look scummy
Paindrain = scummyest of the active players... but even then, not that scummy.

We are back to knowing nothing, no analysis, and no options.

At least with LSB we would have a blue and an active poster here.

This isn't helping the town, but it helps me venting... back to the game.
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Mr.Zergling
Profile Joined December 2010
United States141 Posts
December 29 2010 03:27 GMT
#628
On December 29 2010 12:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
so pandain is scum because he was wrong? that is a very stupid idea.


I was trying to say something more along the lines of:

Some people are suspicious of paindain (myself included), but we cannot tell if he is scum based on what we think scum would do.

This all sounds better in my head.
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orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
December 29 2010 03:32 GMT
#629
Oh.

I failed terribly. Sorry LSB.
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
December 29 2010 03:36 GMT
#630
Just finished catching up -_-'' didn't expect to be out all day.

I still don't see why LSB was scummy at all. I mean look at annul's "analysis":
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7419308
  1. Takes a bunch of meaningless jokes & spam and looks at them with serious face :|
  2. Basically tells us that talking about lynching inactives is anti-town. What?! So you'd rather have us ignore the inactivity problem altogether and lynch someone who's actually fighting it?
  3. So apparantly providing pure information is now scummy. How is this ANY worse than the numerous lurkers lying around? And at least his "information" is helping the newbies!

Seriously the whole inactive thing was just a talking point, and now I'm just thoroughly convinced that you're almost certainly a very closed-minded townie or scum. Hopefully the blue actions will yield something good so we won't have to waste a lynch on you though.

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh hey I just mentioned blues again, I'm probably blue/scum right?
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
December 29 2010 03:52 GMT
#631
You stupid fucks.
Life can only kill you once.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 03:56:54
December 29 2010 03:56 GMT
#632
I am just going to say it. Whoever is a mad hatter put a bomb on insanious tonight.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 03:57 GMT
#633
Fuck I didn't mean to edit that, I meant to quote it. all I did was bold.

Anyway, I am dead serious. I will post the analysis tonight. But I am damn fucking sure.
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Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
December 29 2010 03:57 GMT
#634
^^^ no editing posts, even if you just bold the text.

And why put a bomb on me? I was a town trying to save a town, while the rest of you were trying to kill a blue... what makes me so red?
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Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
December 29 2010 04:00 GMT
#635
^^^ no editing posts, even if you just bold the text.

And why put a bomb on me? I was a town trying to save a town, while the rest of you were trying to kill a blue... what makes me so red?
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ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
December 29 2010 04:02 GMT
#636
On December 29 2010 12:52 Jackal58 wrote:
You stupid fucks.

No flaming.

And orgolove sorry doesn't do anything. Town should think for themselves not just read someone elses analysis and be like oh he sounds right i'll vote for xxx. Come on, from the way LSB is putting himself out as a blue role willing to sacrifice himself to prove a day or 2 later that he is indeed blue, why would any mafia be so reckless? Read. Think. Vote. YOU all have control of who you can vote. Use your brains.

Not even sure if this is allowed, but read this: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Antrax's_Guide_to_Being_a_Good_Townie
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
December 29 2010 04:02 GMT
#637
On December 29 2010 12:52 Jackal58 wrote:
You stupid fucks.

On December 28 2010 06:19 Jackal58 wrote:
##VOTE: LSB

??

And RoL explain why Insanious is scummy?
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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
December 29 2010 04:06 GMT
#638
On December 29 2010 13:02 ilovejonn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2010 12:52 Jackal58 wrote:
You stupid fucks.

No flaming.

Exactly. Watch the language too, please.
Uff Da
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 29 2010 04:07 GMT
#639
I will post my analysis later tonight I have a friend coming over and am not completely caught up. Here is what it is in a nutshell. Exactly what you said. You seemed WAY too sure that LSB was town. The kind of certainty that only a mafia would have who is going to try to appear to be the only person who was being sane when the lynch came back wrong. On top of that you tried switching votes to Brocket because of some shitty "he was active in pokemafia" reasoning.

To follow that up, you also ignored my analysis on Seraph which would of given you a GOOD switch candidate. So let me get this strait, you don't want LSB/Annul to die and are so SURE they are innocent so you want to change vote to someone completely random as opposed to another analysis that was posted? It doesn't make sense unless you want to appear like you were looking out for the town but don't want to implicate the other mafia who heavy suspicion was thrown onto.

That is the gist of my argument. I have a very crude way to try to delegate hatter bombs. I would assume we have 2 Hatters, or 1 hatter 1 vigi. Very low chance of a 2-1 in either set up. If you are a hatter and you are on the FIRST half of the player list please place a bomb on Seraph. If you are a hatter and you are on the SECOND half of the player list please place a bomb on Insanious.

Ideally for this method of sorting to work I need to find a third candidate I deem worthy to bomb and split the list in thirds which severely reduces the risk of overlapping bombs.
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GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
December 29 2010 04:07 GMT
#640
On December 29 2010 12:09 Insanious wrote:Anything by me should also be ignored... since I was defending the blue.


I don't particularly FOS you, but it should be pointed out that this doesn't clear you by a long shot. Mafia knows better than anyone who is clear, and it's very easy for them to buddy a townie to appear clean when he flips.

As for annul and pandain, we shouldn't lynch them just because they are wrong. But we also shouldn't let them get away too easily. Some people have suggested that they wouldn't be so bold if they were mafia. But with the godfather and the framer(s) to mess with the DTs, mafia can afford to be pretty bold this game.
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